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Now that the dust has settled, is there such a thing as good American literature?

Was Hemmingway the best example? Or should we look to Twain/etc? Even if they can't compare to the European Übermensch, it's cute that they tried and are trying.
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Here are the top 25 American writers as determined by the amount of scholarship on each. In brackets is the rise or fall of each writer when compared to his or her ranking since 1947.

( 1.) Henry James (3,188 items) [+1]
( 2.) William Faulkner (2,955) [-1]
( 3.) T. S. Eliot (2,659) [+1]
( 4.) Herman Melville (2,579) [-1]
( 5.) Vladimir Nabokov (2,290) [+5]
( 6.) Ernest Hemingway (2,220) [-0-]
( 7.) Edgar Allan Poe (1,958) [-2]
( 8.) Toni Morrison (1,950) [+9]
( 9.) Nathaniel Hawthorne (1,751) [-4]
(10.) Walt Whitman (1,647) [-2]
(11.) Emily Dickinson (1,623) [+2]
(12.) Ezra Pound (1,620) [-3]
(13.) Willa Cather (1,482) [+5]
(14.) Ralph Waldo Emerson (1,326) [-3]
(15.) Wallace Stevens (1,122) [-1]
(16.) Edith Wharton (1,087) [+5]
(17.) Henry David Thoreau (1,076) [-5]
(18.) F. Scott Fitzgerald (1,002) [-3]
(19.) Flannery O’Connor (935) [+3]
(20.) Mark Twain (882) [-4]
(21.) John Steinbeck (823) [+2]
(22.) William Carlos Williams (772) [-0-]
(23.) Saul Bellow (706) [+2]
(24.) Richard Wright (670) [+2]
(25.) Robert Frost (661) [-5]
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>>8062831
>no dfw

In time, I guess?
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>>8062831

>Emily Dickinson
>Willa Cather
>Edith Wharton
>F.Scott Fitzgerald
>John Steinbeck

How many books read thus far?

15 for me
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Fucking 10, kill me senpai. I've been on a stall for past 1.5 months because of my thesis, gladly it will be over in a week.
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5

I read 1-2 book a month but Infinite Jest has been slowing me down.

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Best translation for Anna Karenina?

I read the Garnett version a few years ago and found nothing wrong with it, but i'm wondering if there's something better.
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Best Anna for Garnett Karenina?

I read the translation nothing a few somethings ago and found a version wondering with it, but I'm wrong if there's years better.
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>>8062767
thanks faggot
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>>8062741
Tolstoi did a good one, its in Russian though.

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hey boys it's mira AMA
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has that man done anything since he became leader
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qt
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>>8062649
one doesn't "do things" in canada

your job as prime minister is simply to tend the self-sustaining process of gradual annexation to the dead anti-soul of america

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http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/20/11718266/blood-meridian-cormac-mccarthy-film-adaptation-unfilmable

Apart from obvious cash-ins from big movie studios, what do you guys think about adaptations? Do they ruin the original material? Add an extra layer of meaning? Do you regard them separately? Any book you would like to see a director try translating to the big screen?
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>>8062641
After reading your title I was going to say Blood Meridian, but nevermind.
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They're their own thing, to be judged with different criteria and categories. They could be good, they could be bad - their relationship with the source material is, I feel, incidental and not that relevant to the final assessment of a film's value.

As for what I'd like to see on the big screen, my picks are:

>Neuromancer (done by a competent director, not that fucker who made Cube for fuck's sake)

>Blood Meridian (I believe it's possible, but only, maybe, as an avant-gard-ish thing)

>Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72

>Cyclonopedia (just because it'd be nice to see a philosophy books on the screen after the Society of the Spectacle)
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>>8062641
i never understood the argument that a film can ruin a book. how so? look at your bookshelf. the book's still there, mate. the only thing that can ruin a book is censorship.

i also believe any narrative can be successfully adapted to any other form or medium of storytelling.

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Anyone have the image with books on how to write books?
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>>8062628
It's a chart like this but with recommended books on how to write.
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>>8062650
Hmm I don't have it, but here's a bump.
idja check the sticky?

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ITT: fuked up books
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Haha, ya posted the most fucked up one of all, my friend. The poop scenes had me laffing off my ass in my chair. Hilarious. And weed too. You think when harold bloom read "weed" he was like "I dont partake, but damn it's funny." Bloom's actually pretty cool for liking such a rad book. Wonder if he's ever smoked. Pynchon is the man.
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>>8062604
there's a photograph of it!! lost in time because of Them... Them? Them dark as shit sez me. we will never see it...
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NAH JUST KIDDING HEH... L-LIGHT BULB!
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>>8062596
Hmm. Define fucked up.

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Anyone know of a single torrent with uni-level textbooks in as many fields as possible?
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>>8062580
For what purpose?
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bro ur pic remind man of this shit i saw on youtube it was titled something about life hacks and it was just a loop of that mongo jerry song where it's like "have a drink, have a drive" over and over....i never noticed that song was advocated DUI, now these days songs advocate an array of felonies from cocaine trafficking to homocide so i guess a little drunk driving in the summer time seems quaint, but still i was like lolllllll i wish i could find it again it's hypnotic the dude is just like "have a drink ... have a drive ... have a drink ... have a drive..."
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>>8062585
Just to branch through subjects I'm interested in and do some reading for my own curiosity

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I'm well within the stiff robotic downswing of nihilism that so many other plebs like myself go through. What book of ideology do I turn to so that I might change?

Do I just flick through various ideas until I find one I want to place above myself?
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>>8062528
Sounds like you need to get layed son
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>>8062528
How about you consider the fact that there is no God and no purpose to life, yet you're here on the planet with the ability to make conscious decisions and do whatever you want because you create your meaning?
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>>8062534
>you create your meaning?

This meme needs to die

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>"I was so fucked up while I was writing it . . . that now I go back over some of those sequences and I can't figure out what I could have meant."

What did he mean by this?
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>>8062512
He wrote some things in such a bad place of mind that now that he is in a better place of mind, he simply cannot understand where he was coming from nor what he meant by any of the things he wrote.
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That in his eyes, it was all one bit shit post.
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drugs are cool but don't do too many you might shit out postmodernism

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Halfway through IJ.

Am I supposed to be pronouncing Schtitt as:

"Shit"
"Skit"
"Skitit"

?
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Shtit
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>>8062491
Shhhtit?
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>subvocalizing

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how is gaddis not more famous? I just finished this and it was amazing. one of my favorite books of all time. it was funny, emotional and somehow super relevant. I could match people I know to characters in the book. I've noticed some other people are reading it now. what do you guys think?
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Can you compare The recognition's difficulty to some other books?
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>>8062647
Do you think if it takes a long time to read that it's difficult? If so, it's quite hard.
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>>8062647
I haven't found any of it difficult. I didn't have a hard time with mason and Dixon but I'd say mason and Dixon was harder. it's just long. it was so consistenly good that the length only made it better. I never wanted it to end. you get to know some of the characters so well. fuck I might actually reread it one day.

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http://www.twainquotes.com/Satan.html

Some quotes by Mark Twain about satan in that link. In two of them he makes the claim that four-fifths of humanity worship him. I've never heard that four-fifths figure before and don't know where it comes from, any ideas?
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>any ideas?
The burgeoning secularism of his time probably led him to this idea; however it's a shared idea by many men as they age that the world's becoming a thoughtless, heartless, less considerate place.
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>>8062435
I don't disagree with you, it's just kind of a precise estimate and he state's it as if it is fact. I mean why not about four fifths, or five sixths or seven tenths? I feel like he knew something I don't.
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He count all people except americans.

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Give me one fucking good reason why I should give a shit about the academia-media-publishing industrial complex and it's pseudo intellectual hangers on such as you guys.
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I'll use this bait thread to ask, what the fuck is going on with you anglophones and it's/its? I'm seeing them being misused every day a bit more, is it because you're typing on a phone and you're getting autocorrected, are you just idiots, did you finally say fuck it and just erased the distinction from your grammars?
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>>8062416
My phone autocorrects were to we're and hell to he'll semi randomly (I actually had to mess about and change the second one there).

On the other hand I'm pretty well educated and intelligent, went through bog standard Anglo state education. Wasn't ever taught about its and it's, found out about it myself at like 14 or 15, so people using it in the possessive doesn't surprise me.
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I'm convinced more and more by the day that Chomsky is just a leftist Stefan Molyneux

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What is the veredict?
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>>8062347
Very old meme
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>>8062347
not a single recipe on how to cook an anarchist.

avoid.
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Hopelessly out of date and probably bogus, kind of fun if you're a teenager.

>>8062390
Second post best post.

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