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Has a book ever changed your political ideology?
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Some of Thomas Sowell's stuff did.
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nah I'm straight senpai
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>>8197577
which books?

What am i in for?
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One of the greatest books ever written. The whole thing is a joy to read

Be prepared for several novellas throughout the novel that put the Don and Sancho in the background while they're told.
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>tfw anglo cucks will experience El Quijote in superior spanish
i guess that compensates being born in a shithole
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>>8197602
This
Truly one of the best books ever written, only two books are better - Ulysses and The Brothers Karamazov

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>implying that reading fiction is anything but a waste of time
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>implying wasting time isn't my favorite thing to do
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>>8197387
>implying everything isn't a waste of time
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>>8197387
Are you sure? Because basically my life plan is to keep my face in these books until people start calling me professor and somebody starts paying me.

My Favorite:
CivilWarLand in Bad Decline by George Saunders

Post your favorites, I need recommendations
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one I just picked up
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Any other takers?
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fuck this board then

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>That chapter where Fantine begins selling her body and decides to becomes a prostitute

What's unnerved you lately on the book you're reading
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It's making me angry.
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>>8197329
why anon
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>>8197329
i'm reading this too, enjoying it so far.

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I'm looking for some books about people in nature. Stuff like Thoreau and Muir, maybe some books on primitive societies and self-reliance too. Any suggestions? Pic unrelated.
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lord of the flies
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Stone Age Economics by Marshall Sahlins
read the first two chapters for sure, it gets kinda academic after that but still very interesting stuff

https://libcom.org/files/Sahlins%20-%20Stone%20Age%20Economics.pdf
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>>8197266
seconding this

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What's the best novel / course / online resource for learning Ancient Greek?
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Pharr's Homeric Greek if you're starting with Homer. If you're learning for something else, pick a dialect or time period.
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>>8197084
>dialect or a time period

oh shit
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>ancient greek
>novel
>learning language from a novel
>an ancient greek novel
>learning ancient greek
>from an ancient greek novel
>learning ancient greek from an ancient greek novel

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how many pages should i read a day in a 500 page novel? im thinking 100 pages a day, what do you thnk? i dont read that much but im trying to read now
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wew, what a question
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I became an avid reader like three months ago and I can't stop. I stopped watching tv and I don't spend much time on 4chan anymore.

Here's how I did it.

-Remember the average person reads like zero books a year. If you read 5 pages a day, you are 5 pages above the average person

-Don't force yourself to read. Commit to read 5 pages a day. I swear after three days you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a day for pleasure

-Read various books at the same time. When I grab a difficult book or one that makes me sleepy I grab another and switch. This should refresh your head. Keep them thematically different. I read economics and fiction.

-It isn't a race. Reading slowly won't make you sleepy that fast. Try to acknowledge what books are for you to read fast and which aren't.

-Buy the physical copies. When you get the books from your own money you'll feel the need to read them to avoid the feel of wasting your money.

-Start with books highly discussed here so you feel motivated to discuss.
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>>8196995
I wonder if the first guy who posted this shit was for realsies or not

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Imma 1874 pantalones super star; chillin in the tidal pool for3st smokin my soviet cig@r
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Pictured: Soviet cigar, jewel encrusted diamond in the rough, catalog of color swatches of earth. The swatch I'm currently located in is blue/green with a light lukewarm breeze
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>>8196957
Where you at OP?
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The ocean did not spew forth green bile, they were laid there and they live there and they cling to the cold water and rock and bla dee Dee bla

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Well that sucked. No wonder the films were mediocre, the source material is too.

>Main protagonist goes on greed-motivated quest he doesn't actually have any interest in.
>People actually interested in quest waited 80 years to go on it for no reason.
>Two-thirds of the book is the group walking around hungry.
>No character development in any secondary protagonist except Thorin and Gandalf.
>Absolutely no plan whatsoever to deal with giant antagonist sitting on treasure.
>Antagonist killed by deus ex machina in ten minutes.
>No real reward once it's all over since protagonist didn't want money anyway.

Is LotR better than this?
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>>8196866

A) Your summary is wrong anyway.
B) It's a kid's book.
C) The main LOTR book is much better.
D) If you want something deeper, look into the Silmarillion.
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>>8196870
A) It's really not m8. The entire story is a walk with a few side attractions, some of which are glossed over anyway. If it's about the journey and not the destination, the journey shouldn't be so damned boring.
B) No excuse.
C) Good, I may check it out.
D) Maybe after LOTR.
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>>8196875
A) Kill yourself
B) see A
C) see B
D) see C

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I posit that the fundamental inability for a middle aged woman to understand and create a realistic young male has contributed to the destruction of the idea of "male" and male-identity in younger generations.
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>>8196829
I posit that OP is a faggot and sage goes in all fields
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>>8196878
I'll fuck a guy and accept a blowie from anyone, but won't reciprocate.
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The middle-aged woman can't create a realistic character of any gender.
Badly developed characters have existed in popular books long before Harry Potter.
"Destruction of the idea of "male" and male-identity in younger generations." This phrase is metaphorically a cloud. You sound like a /pol/ack who sees "degeneration" of your spooks everywhere. You can easily find the cause of this situation in a hundred other places.
Books can't influence a civilization's mindset that much anyway.

kys

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Where can I download ebooks for free? I know of bookzz but it rarely has any books and when it does they're deleted by "copyright owner". What's the best way to download ebooks for free in this case? If anyone's wondering I'm looking for Dune by Frank Herbert.
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>>8196818
literally just wrote "herbert dune epub" into google and found it on the first page it gave me
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>>8196849
LMAOOO YOUMAD BAROOOOOOOO
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>>8196818
gen.lib.rus.ec has mostly anything you want/
Soulseek is quite good also

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There are these two young fish swimming along, and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says, "Morning, boys, how's the water?" And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes, "What the hell is water?"

If at this moment you're worried that I plan to present myself here as the wise old fish explaining what water is to you younger fish, please don't be. I am not the wise old fish. The immediate point of the fish story is that the most obvious, ubiquitous, important realities are often the ones that are the hardest to see and talk about. Stated as an English sentence, of course, this is just a banal platitude-but the fact is that, in the day-to-day trenches of adult existence, banal platitudes can have life-or-death importance. That may sound like hyperbole, or abstract nonsense. So let's get concrete...

A huge percentage of the stuff that I tend to be automatically certain of is, it turns out, totally wrong and deluded. Here's one example of the utter wrongness of something I tend to be automatically sure of: Everything in my own immediate experience supports my deep belief that I am the absolute center of the universe, the realest, most vivid and important person in existence. We rarely talk about this sort of natural, basic self centeredness, because it's so socially repulsive, but it's pretty much the same for all of us, deep down. It is our default-setting, hard-wired into our boards at birth. Think about it: There is no experience you've had that you were not at the absolute center of. The world as you experience it is right there in front of you, or behind you, to the left or right of you, on your TV, or your monitor, or whatever. Other people's thoughts and feelings have to be communicated to you somehow, but your own are so immediate, urgent, real-you get the idea. But please don't worry that I'm getting ready to preach to you about compassion or other-directedness or the so-called "virtues." This is not a matter of virtue-it's a matter of my choosing to do the work of somehow altering or getting free of my natural, hard-wired default-setting, which is to be deeply and literally self-centered, and to see and interpret everything through this lens of self.
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By way of example, let's say it's an average day, and you get up in the morning, go to your challenging job, and you work hard for nine or ten hours, and at the end of the day you're tired, and you're stressed out, and all you want is to go home and have a good supper and maybe unwind for a couple of hours and then hit the rack early because you have to get up the next day and do it all again. But then you remember there's no food at home-you haven't had time to shop this week, because of your challenging job-and so now after work you have to get in your car and drive to the supermarket. It's the end of the workday, and the traffic's very bad, so getting to the store takes way longer than it should, and when you finally get there the supermarket is very crowded, because of course it's the time of day when all the other people with jobs also try to squeeze in some grocery shopping, and the store's hideously, fluorescently lit, and infused with soul-killing Muzak or corporate pop, and it's pretty much the last place you want to be, but you can't just get in and quickly out. You have to wander all over the huge, overlit store's crowded aisles to find the stuff you want, and you have to maneuver your junky cart through all these other tired, hurried people with carts, and of course there are also the glacially slow old people and the spacey people and the ADHD kids who all block the aisle and you have to grit your teeth and try to be polite as you ask them to let you by, and eventually, finally, you get all your supper supplies, except now it turns out there aren't enough checkout lanes open even though it's the end-of-the-day rush, so the checkout line is incredibly long, which is stupid and infuriating, but you can't take your fury out on the frantic lady working the register.

Anyway, you finally get to the checkout line's front, and pay for your food, and wait to get your check or card authenticated by a machine, and then get told to "Have a nice day" in a voice that is the absolute voice of death, and then you have to take your creepy flimsy plastic bags of groceries in your cart through the crowded, bumpy, littery parking lot, and try to load the bags in your car in such a way that everything doesn't fall out of the bags and roll around in the trunk on the way home, and then you have to drive all the way home through slow, heavy, SUV- intensive rush-hour traffic, et cetera, et cetera.
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The point is that petty, frustrating crap like this is exactly where the work of choosing comes in. Because the traffic jams and crowded aisles and long checkout lines give me time to think, and if I don't make a conscious decision about how to think and what to pay attention to, I'm going to be pissed and miserable every time I have to foodshop, because my natural default-setting is the certainty that situations like this are really all about me, about my hungriness and my fatigue and my desire to just get home, and it's going to seem, for all the world, like everybody else is just in my way, and who are all these people in my way? And look at how repulsive most of them are and how stupid and cow-like and dead-eyed and nonhuman they seem here in the checkout line, or at how annoying and rude it is that people are talking loudly on cell phones in the middle of the line, and look at how deeply unfair this is: I've worked really hard all day and I'm starved and tired and I can't even get home to eat and unwind because of all these stupid goddamn people.

Or, of course, if I'm in a more socially conscious form of my default-setting, I can spend time in the end-of-theday traffic jam being angry and disgusted at all the huge, stupid, lane-blocking SUVs and Hummers and V-12 pickup trucks burning their wasteful, selfish, forty-gallon tanks of gas, and I can dwell on the fact that the patriotic or religious bumper stickers always seem to be on the biggest, most disgustingly selfish vehicles driven by the ugliest, most inconsiderate and aggressive drivers, who are usually talking on cell phones as they cut people off in order to get just twenty stupid feet ahead in a traffic jam, and I can think about how our children's children will despise us for wasting all the future's fuel and probably screwing up the climate, and how spoiled and stupid and disgusting we all are, and how it all just sucks, and so on and so forth...
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Look, if I choose to think this way, fine, lots of us do-except that thinking this way tends to be so easy and automatic it doesn't have to be a choice. Thinking this way is my natural default-setting. It's the automatic, unconscious way that I experience the boring, frustrating, crowded parts of adult life when I'm operating on the automatic, unconscious belief that I am the center of the world and that my immediate needs and feelings are what should determine the world's priorities. The thing is that there are obviously different ways to think about these kinds of situations. In this traffic, all these vehicles stuck and idling in my way: It's not impossible that some of these people in SUVs have been in horrible auto accidents in the past and now find driving so traumatic that their therapist has all but ordered them to get a huge, heavy SUV so they can feel safe enough to drive; or that the Hummer that just cut me off is maybe being driven by a father whose little child is hurt or sick in the seat next to him, and he's trying to rush to the hospital, and he's in a way bigger, more legitimate hurry than I am-it is actually I who am in his way. And so on.

Again, please don't think that I'm giving you moral advice, or that I'm saying you're "supposed to" think this way, or that anyone expects you to just automatically do it, because it's hard, it takes will and mental effort, and if you're like me, some days you won't be able to do it, or you just flat-out won't want to. But most days, if you're aware enough to give yourself a choice, you can choose to look differently at this fat, dead-eyed, over-made-lady who just screamed at her little child in the checkout line-maybe she's not usually like this; maybe she's been up three straight nights holding the hand of her husband who's dying of bone cancer, or maybe this very lady is the low-wage clerk at the Motor Vehicles Department who just yesterday helped your spouse resolve a nightmarish red-tape problem through some small act of bureaucratic kindness. Of course, none of this is likely, but it's also not impossible-it just depends on what you want to consider. If you're automatically sure that you know what reality is and who and what is really important-if you want to operate on your default-setting-then you, like me, will not consider possibilities that aren't pointless and annoying. But if you've really learned how to think, how to pay attention, then you will know you have other options. It will actually be within your power to experience a crowded, loud, slow, consumer hell-type situation as not only meaningful but sacred, on fire with the same force that lit the stars-compassion, love, the sub-surface unity of all things. Not that that mystical stuff's necessarily true: The only thing that's capital-T True is that you get to decide how you're going to try to see it. You get to consciously decide what has meaning and what doesn't. You get to decide what to worship...

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I went to the bookstore and bought and read a copy of "Ulysses." I suffered a great deal in the process. The writing was dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs." I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Joyce's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that he has no other style of writing.
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Taking a pasta and simply replacing ~3 words doesn't make for a good meme. However, this is the first edit of this pasta I've seen on /lit/, and it might start a new trend.
2/10, one point for originality
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I saw James Joyce at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn't want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, "Oh, like you're doing now?" I was taken aback, and all I could say was "Huh?" but he kept cutting me off and going "huh? huh? huh?" and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw Joyce trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like "Sir, you need to pay for those first." At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started SCANNING it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually "to prevent any electrical infetterence," and then turned around and winked at me. I don't even think that's a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
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>>8197115
that was actually pretty fucking funny anon

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WE
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>>8196733

What's this about, a capitalist distopy?
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>>8196733
WAS
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>>8196733
Top tier book. It doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

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