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OP I've wasted so much goddamn money on writing books when all it really came down to were these:
The First Five Pages & The Plot Thickens by Noah Lukeman. This guy had seen so many shitty manuscripts, he got fed up and wrote these two guides. The first is about the big do's and don'ts, and the best way to present a completed manuscript. The second is more in-depths and makes you dig a lot at what you're writing.

Now as for prose itself, the essential book is The Elements of Style. The latest edition will do. Good luck with your writing anon.

>>8198402
I found a copy of the First Five Pages and the fourth edition of The Elements of Style (i just used the library genesis)

If you have a link to The Plot Thickens that would be greatly appreciated

Anyways, thanks for the recommendations, this is the type of stuff I've been looking for. I wish you luck in your writing as well

>>8198379
I don't think "resources" (or even going to college) are going to help you.

The art of writing is entirely self-taught, through reading a lot of quality books.

that was a good article, i read it when it came out. it's true, a lot of literary criticism these days is basically anti-human. but in niche-ier fields, like medievalist literature, you can spot enthusiasm that shines. it'll pass.

>>8198108
by abolishing anime

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Govern with an alternative to both capitalism and socialism.

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>>8198080
I, no fucking joke, read the entirety of Atlas Shrugged in third grade. Every day after school I would come home and read like forty something pages. A lot of it was boring and way above my third grade head, but there was some really hype shit in that book. Secret civilizations, government conspiracies, lots of sex and real fucking pirates. God it was so rad. Honestly some of the most fun I've ever had reading a book.

I tried to re-read it again as an adult and it wasn't nearly as fun, but whatever.

>>8198080
I liked the old meme trilogy better.

>>8198080
atlas shrugged always felt like it was never edited to me. like rand wrote a first draft and was like "yeah, that should do it".
i'm not saying "urgh tl;dr, but it was repetitive and superfluous in a lot of places.

i actually enjoyed fountainhead better even though i think it's a worse book. i could get a stronger grip on the characters, i think.

>>8198069
>How much time spent on research?

do this when you need to

>How thorough should notes be before drafting begins?

'notes' are a distraction. having an outline of the general idea is sufficient. just write.

> this idiot wants to make something good.

write well.

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I remember quentin tarantino mention this trick he does for his characters, he writes out their entire life history, even if he only uses a little bit of it in the movie.
Also there is this concept in fantasy nerd books called world building.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldbuilding

finally, a story should have conflict, and the characters shouldn't be too perfect, and their imperfections shouldn't be cool either, avoid making mary sues.
Your character has to overcome something in his life.

This is called a character arc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_arc

>>8198113
Nah, unless you're writing some shitty fantasy novel, don't do worldbuilding before writing.

>>8197985
are you listening to it in russian?

>>8197985
>The Veldt (Read by Stephen Colbert)

Neat.

>>8197998
IN ENGRISH. the russian is probably coded with russian orthodox subliminals to make me travel to st. petersburg during my 30's. fuck that shit.

>>8197954
Well, I suppose it depends on the content of the novel. If the content is sincere, no. If not, yes. Pretty simple stuff.

>>8198047
Also it why one is doing it. Is it a genuine expression of self? Or is it a pretense for other people or an image one thinks one should embody?

If you're a fucking pleb, then yes. If you have to ask, then yes.

Don't waste your own and everyone elses time.

I usually buy whatever is available.

If there are two versions, one on its original language (english) or a translation on spanish, I buy the original.

>>8197905
I prefere to read them in english regardless.
But i will choose my native language if it's closer to the language being translated.

>>8197905
English. Now with e-readers there's no excuse to read a translation.

>>8197821
In terms of 1:1 things, ie, things he talks about in part 1 come back in part 2, no, there's no connection. however, the stuff he does in part 2 is pretty consistent with the ideas of part 1; he wouldn't have done the things he did in part 2 if he wasn't sick and spiteful

>>8197821
>i havent read since high school but felt like doing it
That's not how it works. You can't just pick a book up and read it.

I'd recommend you find yourself a book on how to read efficiently and practically.

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>>8197857
>I'd recommend you find yourself a book on how to read

>>8197818
we speak English here, faglord

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>>8197818
Are you actually retarded?
""""Your"""" property?
You can't even prove to me that you exist and you claim to have property?
Shut up, my property.

>>8197818
>>8199118

Stirnerfagging is getting cringier every day. It's a trivial philosophy, and amounts to nothing more than disguised teenage nihilism, wrapped up in new terminology to smokescreen its lameness.

The Dispossessed is a novel set in an anarchist world. so that, i guess.

too much trouble going to wikipedia?

>>8197828
>"why the fuck would I read a book? Theres a synthesis of it in the internet!"
>"philosophy? Pff, goodreads.com posts some great quotes everyday"
>"fuck Aristotles and his perfect society, theres a wikipedia article about utopias"

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l have no idea what makes a good fantasy book, but l did read Kingkiller Chronicles and it's by far my favourite fantasy book, read it, you won't regret it. The first book had me hooked up for like 8 hours straight, no joke

tfw 3rd book never ever
also auri best grill

>>8197762
A friend hyped me up when he said he read the 2nd book in 2 days because it was that good.

>l have no idea what makes a good fantasy book

Me neither, which is weird because i enjoy reading fantasy a lot, even think of writing one myself, but never really have the willpower to do it.

>>8197732
>What makes a good fantasy book?
First and foremost, worldbuilding. The whole point of fantasy is that it takes place in an alternate world where cool shit can happen that wouldn't in realistic novels. If your alternate world is uninteresting, or outright silly, or too shallow, or tries too hard (e.g. you make up a bajillion unnecessary words to the point where I can't immerse myself because I need a dictionary to read your shit) or any other glaring flaws in the universe you made, your book failed as a fantasy novel.

doesn't matter, just start 150mg tren per day already and get it overwith you fucking faggot

Not good at all.

>>8197744
how many females does study literature?

it can't be worse than engineering.

Chuck Phallicnuts

Obiously Ligotti

current 93 = thelema, read crowley's corpus

How did he make profit running a black market?

>>8197628
trading a bunch of shit

selling bomb sites to the germans

bought produce in one location and sold the items to the market in another place that had a defecit or need.
also
black market

trip on Tina Fey

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sí

I am shitting as I type this. Shit is coming out of my ass. It feels so fucking good dude