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>>363408
they wanted to knock the US navy out fast and force to US to trade with them again

>>363408
oil

>>363408

> They were getting embargo'd but how would starting a war change that situation?

I'm going to answer this one first.

Japan wants to continue the war in China at the very least, and keep a war economy going, which requires oil. Prior to this, they had been importing something like 80% of their oil from the U.S., who turned off the spigot in retaliation for the Japanese annexing Indo-China from Vichy France's government.

There is one major source of oil within the Japanese reach, what's now Indonesia, then a Dutch colony.

FDR had promised, publicly, to defend the interests of the Dutch Government-in-Exile, and the Japanese at the very least took this seriously, they thought that if they went into the NEI and seized the oil wells, America would retaliate.

>hat did Japan even expect to gain by starting a war with America? What were her war aims? Surely they couldn't have thought they had a chance to conquer it.

So to answer your first and main question, the plan was to hit the U.S. Pacific fleet real hard in a surprise attack, sink as many capital ships as possible. They gambled, erroneously, that the U.S. wouldn't commit to a long war, you'd have 6 months of shooting, a few ships sunk, and then they'd go home if things got too tough. By catching the U.S. with its proverbial pants down, they could eliminate any real threat for the duration of what they thought would be a short, limited war.

It turned out to be a grave miscalculation, in large part because of how America reacted to a "perfidious sneak attack."

One of my favorite alt-hist questions, one I don't think gets nearly enough attention, is what would have happened if the Japanese called FDR's bluff. Would America have actually declared war to defend the Indonesians? And if so, would it have been the total, almost holy war that historically developed, or could Japan's plan of fighting a short war and coming to the peace table with honor have actually happened?

>>363354

He meant that he came out of his mom's ass, instead of the customary opening in the vagina.

>>363354
We will be there at your funeral.

>>363354
that hes going to be revisionist shit and outright lie about comrade stalin

Who was writing these sources?

>>363275
Why did the Persians have such bad equipment during the war with the Iraq (the 1980's one) and still managed to hold their own?

Because Persia heavily prioritized cavalry.

WE

>>363256
Want to learn about Ethiopian history.

>>363260
AND

>Jesus
>A shitsucking normie
HERETICS GET OUT RIGHT FUCKING NOWNOWNOWNOWNOW

>>363216
You fucking idiot.

>>363216
do u even understand jesus brooooooo

>>363168

I would have to go digging for the exact page citation, but I remember studying Bava Metzia (one of the books in the Talmud), and there was a case of a woman suing her husband for personal injuries sustained while having sex.

His defense was that she injured herself using a dildo. They eventually decided that while in theory she could sue her husband for that kind of thing, there wasn't enough evidence to actually carry the case.

Even across maybe 1,400 years and a language I'm not fully familiar with, I could feel the cringe of the people writing it.

>>363190
>breaks her pussy with a giant stone dildo
>sues husband to buy her a new pussy
>actually brings it to court with zero shame
Holy shit and I thought the jewish girls I knew were batshit crazy.

Augustus made an anti-kek law. If you caught yourself getting keked you could lawfully kill your wife and the bull. If you didn't kill the wife, you had to take her to court. Funny thing is that it was hardly ever applied, and when it happened to Augustus own daughter he had to prosecute and exile her.

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>>363139
That the White Army couldn't keep their shit together, initially. Also that 30's purge certainly got people off his back and then he was on America's good side (for a little while) and then he got his boys to steal the plans for 'the bomb'.

Beria did kill him in the end so it wasn't all good.

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>>363139
Top notch diplomacy. Industrializing the republics at the right time. Not giving in to romantic idealism and trying to institute a global revolution too early in history. BTFO kulaks. BTFO nazis. Nice wardrobe.

What went wrong:
Overestimating the promises of Lysenkoism. Thinking Churchill's experiences with WWII would make him not an asshole that wanted to kill him. Not inventing a cure for polio.

>>363139
being a saint, being the sucsessor to the second coming of jesus, communism

>>363097
Yanks and wanks.

The Germans most often used Tommy for the Brits and Ami (short for American).

No idea what the deal was with the Nipponese.

You started a new thread just to ask your dumb question?

Americans were called "Ami's" or "Yanks"
Brits were called "Tommy's"
Soviets were called "Ivan"


This is why we need a WW2 general on this board.

Absolutely nothing. Next question.

Firstly, that headwear is horrendous

>>363063
>unites the warring kingdoms
>BTFO squabbling "philosophers" so hard that even after the Han took over his empire Sima Qian still felt the need to cry and shitpost about "muh 500 gorillion ded confusions and buks" in the Records
>cool movie made about him with Jet Li

Official Conclusion: Dindu Nuffin

>>363061

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jellalabad

>>363066

>Indians and Bongs with rifles and artillery picking off pitchfork-armed tribal warriors from the comfort of their massive, stone fortress

No

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>>363061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Rising

Tamils are from Tamil Nadu, the part of south India directly across from Sri Lanka. The majority population of Sri Lanka are the Sinhalese, who are more closely related to the Bengalese. There's a long history of both peoples on the island, Sinhalese have been there for at least 2000 years and probably more like 2500, while Tamil kings were ruling the island 1000 years ago. Vast majority of the Sinhalese are Buddhist, while most Tamils are Hindu. Tamils and Sinhalese worked together to reject British rule in the early 20th century, but the advent of democracy put the Tamils in a relatively bad position because they're a minority. Process of antagonization and embitterment continued through the Cold War with attempts to make Sinhalese the official language of the nation, pro-Sinhalese affirmative action in education, etc. Standard race war shit. Tamil Tigers began to assassinate with the goal of creating Tamil nation state in the north of the island, eventually growing into a larger insurgency which occupied a lot of the north for 20+ years. Obviously you can imagine how that, even after the government's eventual victory, has produced lasting race hate.

>>363096
Fair enough. Same situation as the Palestinians and Arabs I guess.

Tamil's in Canada where I live are notorious for ripping-off black-culture (rap music, clothing, dummed-down English). That's why my Sinhalese buddy continues to hate them; because when he left towards the end of the War to Canada, he thought he'd meet like-minded Tamils, however, he was upset to realize that they brought their violence and attitude of entitlement with them.

Thanks man, makes a lot more sense now. I tried researching and found basically what you said, but with a lot more mumbo-jumbo that just made it seem more complicated then it needed to be.

>>363229
Torontofag here

I laugh at Tamils. Always at the malls in their tamil herds being unnecessarily loud. They're shit

>>363150
hi, OP

>>362976
Nope. CHP is still around and one of the big 2 parties in Turkey.

>>362976
They caught the coup before it happened. Truly tragic.

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>>362919
>There are potentially scientology apologists on 4chan
Times really have changed

>>362919
>genuine bearings for people to adhere to

It's a money machine for the cult of L. Ron Hubbard

>>362919
*are there, apologies

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I imagine it would probably be pretty equal to the roman empire, if not greater.
The Carthaginians were far superior sailors. North Africa was extremely fertile too.
They might have spread east first, leaving the barbarians to the north until later.
Bumping for someone more learned than I to give an opinion

>>363077
I'm kind of surprised at that. I had heard people suggest that Carthage's growth would have been much more restrained.

>>363077
>The Carthaginians were far superior sailors.
Yeah it's not Rome raped them on that front from the invention of the corvus onward. It literally took then half a war to close the gap.
>North Africa was extremely fertile too.
No more than Italy, but less populous and with a very strong neighbour on each side preventing easy expansion.

Yeah I'm not seeing Carthage becoming anything mor than it was before the wars. Certainly not Rome tier, let alone greater (top kek).

>>362664
1700-1900

>>362664
honestly, the kievan rus is the only time russia has not been a flaming shithole for the majority of the population. Even during catherine "the great's" time most of the people lived in abject poverty and slavery. Sure in the Kievan Rus you were poor, but generally you owned animals and if not on marginal land, could live comfortably and independently.

>>362714
t. Obama