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Are there any good Bible reading guides? I want to start with the Greeks and the Bible after; I've read Job and Ecclesiastes to see what I was up against but I feel like I'm missing some of the deeper themes and sometimes even what's going on plot-wise. It has to do partially with the fact that English is not my native language but I'm also not very well read. In any case, I want to be sure I don't miss anything.
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It's best to join a study group so you can discuss and ask questions. But barring that, you need a good commentary or annotated version of the bible. Being a Catholic I would recommend the Didache bible for general use and supplementing that with the Ignatius bible for the New Testament and the individual books by Scott Hahn for the Old Testament. If money is an issue then at least just consider picking up the one on Genesis because Scott does a real good job of teaching people how to effectively study the bible.
As far as reading order goes there's nothing wrong with reading the bible straight through, in fact I would recommend it if you 're not very familiar with the Old Testament narrative. Without a good history of the Jews the New Testament isn't going to make a lot of sense. Keep in mind that you don't need to read every single thing like the building of the tabernacle, the building of Solomon's temple, or every genealogy. Some people will fall into this trap where they force themselves to read every single word and this causes them to burn out very quickly, because the things I mentioned make an extremely boring read.
In any case, make sure you get a good readable translation like the RSV. Translations like the KJV or Douay-Rheims look nice because it has that Old English style but they just make study unnecessarily harder.
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Thanks for your elaborate response. I currently have the KJV, and I see what you're getting at. Though I would say that this Old English style does a lot more for me than the modern English. For example, Ecclesiastes 5:2, KJV and RSV respectively:
"Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few."
"Be not rash with your mouth, nor let your heart be hasty to utter a word before God, for God is in heaven, and you upon earth; therefore let your words be few."
Although personal pronouns are the only difference, I'm not sure the RSV would have given me the same 'woah' feeling. Maybe I attribute more value to it just because it sounds more ancient. Is this type of minor modernisation the only difference between RSV and KJV? If it's much clearer in other aspects as well, I might be tempted to purchase one, to keep alongside for when I don't understand a certain verse.
Also, is there no single reading companion that just provides a context and a summary of what's going on? Or is the Didache Bible sufficient in that? Purchasing all the supplements you suggested sounds a bit too rigorous for my purposes: I certainly want to appreciate the Bible for its own merits, but mostly with the goal of increasing my comprehension of more modern pieces of literature, i.e. I might not need the deep comprehension expected of a practicing Catholic.
And how do I know which parts to skip? Is there a source online somewhere, where I can find the least pertinent chapters?
Study groups are difficult to find where I live, but I'll see what I can do and I appreciate the suggestion.
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>>9099988
>the things I mentioned make an extremely boring read.
Well fuck you too
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Analytic 'scient'-ism just got demolished by a German philosopher. Is this Hegel's revenge? 2017-02-14 08:20:41 Post No.9105993
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Analytic 'scient'-ism just got demolished by a German philosopher. Is this Hegel's revenge?
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GH: Scientistic philosophy often accuses its opponents of ‘folk psychology.’ But on page 35 of Fields of Sense you turn the tables briefly, referring to scientism as a form of ‘folk metaphysics.’ Could you please explain this claim?
MG: Unfortunately, a lot of contemporary metaphysics (which even in Anglophone contexts is sometimes attacked under the heading of ‘analytic’ metaphysics by philosophers of science such as Bas van Fraasen or James Ladyman) is based on an understanding of physics in terms of popular physics books written in a positivistic mode, such as the frequently cited books by Stephen Hawking or Brian Greene. Take the misguided debates about composition or colocation (which reads to me like a parody of Aristotle): if there is a statue made of clay somewhere, are there two things (the clay and the statue) or is there really just one thing (a statue made of gold)? Are there really any tables or only elementary particles arranged tablewise? and so on. For one thing, it is simply not the case that tables consist of or are built out of elementary particles. I asked various physicists the metaphysical composition question about tables and not a single one ever told me that it even made sense to base such a claim on actual physics. They gave me various quite divergent reasons from physics to disbelieve naïve philosophical atomism. Folk metaphysics is metaphysics based on an insufficient grasp of actual science. It is a fantasy cultivated by philosophers who somehow want to believe that there is a ‘subject supposed to know‘, to quote Lacan’s famous phrase: that is, someone who must somehow have an empirical answer to a conceptual problem. But this is not the right way to think about the relation between conceptual problems and empirical work.
A very popular kind of folk metaphysics is what I call ‘Legocentricism.’ This model tells us that mesoscopic ordinary objects are composed of elementary particles in metaphysically the same way as a Lego house is composed of smaller bricks. But particles are neither bricks nor building blocks. This is why it is so hard for contemporary metaphysicians to take physics at face value when they are told that particles are more like smeared probabilities than like tiny indivisible chunks of stuff. It is mere superstition to believe that structures which are bigger relative to a certain scale must be composed of smaller objects relative to the same scale.
Another element of folk metaphysics is the popular idea that laws of nature somehow govern what happens or the equally wrongheaded (Humean) idea that laws of nature are abstract structures into which we somehow plug the worldly events whose intrinsic nature we can never grasp. All of this in my view is a metaphysical generalization of the experience of human beings, an extrapolation of categories that are supposed to apply to tables and chairs to the cosmos or nature or some other world-whole.
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>>9105993
Absolute madman!
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>a humanitard discovers probability density functions and criticizes simplified pop-science abstractions
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>>9106034
>minimalization
Typical defense process. Sorry that he just made your 'scientific ontology' obsolete.
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The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Reading Group Thread 2017-02-14 11:53:05 Post No.9104409
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The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Reading Group Thread
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Day 1/850
Hi guys, today we start our group readthrough of 'The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' by Edward Gibbon.
It should only take us around eight-hundred and fifty days if we break it down section by section.
Today's reading: Volume I, Chapter 1 pages 1-50
Discuss the book in this thread.
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>>9104409
Lol. Is it really that big? 42,500pgs?
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>>9104409
I'd rather read Thucydides.
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Can you wait until June to start it? My copy is at home and I don't want to have it shipped out here only to have to ship it back in a few months.
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what are /lit/'s reflections on St Valentine's Day?
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>>9104047
I'm redpilled and hate all women. They're all worthless whores and cheaters.
Thank God I'm alone and will never experience romantic "love" (typical example of the Hegelian dialectic)
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Sex saps a man's vital energies and makes it impossible for him to be philosophically or artistically productive.
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>>9104057
why are tourists from reddit always so butthurt about e-misogyny specifically?
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Optimism: to live your life as if the next week will not come.
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You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people some of the time.
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If you must you must, but if you mustn't you must.
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Never put off until tomorrow that which you could be putting off right now.
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Can we all agree that this is absolute shit?
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>>9103121
I was about to read this, why shouldn't I?
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>>9103121
I got about half-way before dropping it. It just felt way too aimless and I got bored. I could maybe accept a lack of a plot that if it were much shorter and more interesting.
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>>9103121
every month or so we get a Dhalgren thread and it alternates between extremely positive and extremely negative. that's not counting the Dhalgren-fag we had last year that would constantly shill it as "Ulysses-tier".
Delany is on my reading list either way, I'm looking forward to it
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The final boss of postmodern literature.
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Lol. But if we're being serious it's apparently actually Joseph McElroy or William Gass
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>>9102317
Literally the first tatters-dressed, unarmed skeleton you find in the tutorial of postmodern literature.
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Post the last two books you finished and the books you're reading now.
Last two:
Collected works of Archimedes edited by T.L. Heath
The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money by John Maynard Keynes
Current:
On Conics by Apollonius of Perga, translated by Taliaferro
Principles of Economics by Carl Menger
After Principles, I'm going to read Fisher's Mathematical Investigations, which deals heavily with the theory of marginality.
I'll also probably start reading Rousseau's Social Contract soon at some point. Just because. I've already read Hobbes' Leviathan.
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>>9102250
>The Great Gatsby
>No Longer Human
>Democracy: the God that Failed
>Kokoro
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Last:
>Seven Japanese Tales by Jun'ichiro Tanizaki
>Bonjour Tristesse by Sagan
Current:
>Delta of Venus by Nin
I'll be reading A Certain Smile afterwards since it's included in my copy of Bonjour Tristesse.
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Last two:
Theory of Festivity - Josef Pieper
Four Cardinal Virtues - Josef Pieper
Currently:
The Concept of Anxiety - lil' k
Next:
The rest of lil' k on the Hegel side
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Which book is more comparable to our present-day world? 2017-02-13 10:25:30 Post No.9101759
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Which book is more comparable to our present-day world?
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1984 or Brave New World?
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>>9101759
Haven't read them. But leftism is destroying the West.
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>>9101759
Neither, you have successfully baited me. Nothing makes me more angry than this stupid fucking dichotomy. OH MY GOD FUCK YOU PSEUD GET OFF MY FUCKING BOARD
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I think BNW is slightly longer than 1984 so that one.
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Have any of you read this? I picked it up after reading that it inspired a lot of authors, for example Joseph Heller in the writing of Catch 22.I thought it was pretty good and was wondering if anyone would like to discuss it.
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>>9101348
I ordered it a few days ago. Should be here by the 17th.
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>>9101348
I read most of it a few years ago when I was really depressed and even though I found it funny it depressed me even harder I quit out after they fucked up offing the old granny and he delivered some whores baby. should I finish it? I'm not as depressed anymore. why didn't he just stay with the hookers in the USA lmao
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Its pretty good
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>>9100708
After Dark is crap, and that's coming from a huge Murakami fan
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>>9100708
On Food and Cooking is great.
Get to work on Suttree and The Crying of Lot 49.
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>>9100736
After Dark is one of my favorites.
t. Murakami fan
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What do you think of the Canterbury Tales? Do you have a particular favorite tale?
I never read any of this until last year, in grad school. Amazed at how difficult it was to read versus the stuff people normally complain about when it comes to old English (like Shakespeare)
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>>9100208
Shakespeare isn't Old English. Canterbury Tales is in a different language to modern English, many of the words that one thinks they recognise have completely different meanings.
Having said that, the type of Old english it was in is the most similar of all of them to modern english
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>>9100208
Chaucer is Middle English, not Old English. If you want actual Old English read shit like Beowulf and The Dream of the Rood. Personally I find the satire in The Canterbury Tales really fascinating, as it goes against the popular notion of what life was like in the Middle Ages. I went into it expecting tales of the Plague and Christianity, and instead I got a pompous faggot getting tricked into kissing a woman's hairy asshole.
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>>9100208
The Miller's tale is some funny shit
Well, that sucked.
What was the point?
Why did she care about the play? Why would the reader care about the play? Who was the secret bidder at the end and what would it have mattered?
Even writing about Metzger running away with the underage punk groupie would have been a better story.
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>>9100025
I guess you got Pynch'd, anon
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>>9100034
I did, I want my time back.
I've read Inherent Vice as well and it was mediocre. Is he truly a meme?
Someone you recommend while suppressing your own laughter?
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>>9100025
Oedipa is a bored housewife desperate to find meaning and connections within the superficial and unconnected. She's like those people desperate to believe crackpot conspiracy theories, because wouldn't it be really fascinating if this weird thing was how the world really worked? People like this are desperate to cling to anything as evidence.
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Everyone should read books and write alongside them a fully fledged summary with relevant citations, ideas, interpretations, criticisms etc and integrate them into a new/existing Wikipedia article so they never have to read the book again and neither do future generations.
Try to prove me wrong. Just try.
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>>9099790
If your goal is not "read and appreciate a book for the work of art it is" then sure
Look up "death of the author" negro
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>>9099882
Lmao, imagine being such a pleb that you still stick with the death of the author schtick.
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>>9099790
I agree desu. This is what textbooks usually do.
I dislike it when most fields do this but philosophy insists on reading the original book. One can always do that if you think it is necessary.
So I do not agree with your point that we never should read such a book again. But I can agree with you otherwise. Having to read all the original works in philosophy just shortens the time I could read about other fields.
plato.stanford.edu does a good job at this.
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Books on women who have lost the ability to feel sexual pleasure?
I watched Lars von trier's nymphomaniac and never related so well to a characters suffering in my life
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good bait
predicting at least a few dozen replies
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I used to know a woman who suffered from this problem. Her vagina just broke one day and she was no longer able to feel pleasure or arousal whatsoever after a period of excited masturbation.
I lost contact with her sadly.
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>>9099745
OP here
I have suffered the same fate :( what did she do to break her vagina?