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Ok, I'm trying to read his Anti-Oedipus and am having a really hard time reading it. I feel like he's all over the place and that's something French fags seem to do a lot. Is it just the translation that does this or is he really that impenetrable?
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>>9216262
Hows your background reading,
Do you have a working familiarity with Kant, Nietzsche Marx and Lacan?
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>>9216282
Kant, Nietzsche and Marx, yes. Lacan, not so much.
He suddenly threw in the concept of "body without organs" and figures every reader got that.
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>>9216301
Yeah I understand, that's specifically an extremely Lacanian inspired concept.
Anti-Oedipus is a direct response to Lacan and psychoanalysis in general so its assumed you have a good understanding of the field particularly his implications on the function of ideas and symbols.
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Does any other writer have a conflicted relationship with Ulysses?
I studied it for an entire semester in graduate school, so I have, I hope, a full appreciation of its brilliance. It is truly a master work of writerly skill by an author at the peak of his powers. Joyce threw everything he had into it, and it shows. I was guided through it by a pretty great professor, who taught my class what Joyce was aiming at in each chapter. I think, when properly instructed, you can see how awesome a work it is.
At the same time, I am a writer myself, and, speaking purely for myself, one of the things I prize in writing is comprehensibility. Or, rather, I prize layers of comprehension, as it were. I think a truly great work ought to leave an impression on anyone who picks it up and reads it for the first time. My hope is that someone would pick up a work and read it, and be awed by it; then they would return to the work later, after reading a little more widely, and discover more things in the work than they saw the first time. Then, maybe, after reading even more widely, and THEN going into academia, they'd return to the work yet again, and fully envelop the magnitude of the author's fullest intent.
So, basically, my worry with Ulysses is that it's impossible for a truly novice reader to get anything from it. I was, again, amazed by the power of Joyce's efforts. But I wonder what would have happened if I had read it outside of an academic setting. What if I'd just picked it up and started in on it? Would I have understood what Joyce was aiming at? Would I have even had a small clue? And if not, is that a problem?
I suppose I wrestle with the approachability of the book, as a writer myself. I worry the book, as brilliant as it is, is only appreciable by academics, and in this regard, I worry that it represents a collapse, a retreat, of the novel as an art form. I worry the novel completely forsakes mass readership, and I worry this is a bad thing.
I'm eager to hear /lit/'s thoughts on the issue.
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>>9216227
i liked it, and i'm a complete idiotic novice with no literary talent or context.
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>>9216227
If you read Dubliners then Portrait Ulysses has a lot more of that effect
I don't think Joyce cared at all what people got out of his books, I think he wrote them for himself and for history
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>>9216227
who cares? plebs have plenty of books to fully comprehend the first time.
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ITT: good fiction books by war veterans
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>>9216179
"non-fiction"
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The Twilight Zone
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"The Bad Seed"
It's a great novel about a murderer written by a WWI war hero.
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How do you know if you need to put in context to enjoy the novel?
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How do you know if important noun you left out of sentence?
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>>9216129
I think might be retarded
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>>9216046
Unrelated but I'm reading that book right now. Don't know how accurate it is but it's pretty good imo, gives a good crash course for ancient rome
What's your favorite book on architecture? I think Rasmussen's Experiencing Architecture is a must for those interested in or just getting into the topic.
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>>9216041
>architecture
>dude pretty houses lmao
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>>9216053
/thread
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>>9216053
full pleb. architecture is the most erotic art form. 2/10 made me reply.
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I never fully realized how deep and brilliant Ulysses was until I dove into this podcast. Any similar podcasts that extract every ounce of artistic genius as possible, but for other books?
Side note: is Ulysses the only book this deep?
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>>9215970
Not a podcast, but I like the Open Yale course for Don Quixote.
RIP Frank Delaney. You actually helped me to enjoy Ulysses.
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>>9216016
is Don Quixote as deep as Ulysses?
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>>9216187
It doesn't look like it at first, but yes.
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Is /lit/ dying? I feel like I haven't seen any threads on here that aren't hopelessly out of date with modern literature. That one guy posted about Islam today and the best you half-wits could do was make jokes about goat fucking. You guys spend all day masturbating about Ulysses and I bet you haven't heard of, let alone read, pic related. I mean, it does the same thing thing Ulysses did for you, which is to say that it makes you feel like a smart little boy for getting all those classical references and inside jokes. So why not try it? It's already 27 years old and I've never seen it mentioned once. Oh wait, it's written by a black guy, and you guys break out in hives whenever somebody says the word "post-colonialism." Have fun pursuing your "writing careers," that will never take off because Infinite Jest is your only interaction with modern lit.
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I bought that book but I still have to read it. Maybe once I finish The Changing Light at Sandover
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Go complain to your mom.
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>>9215915
I discovered this book through /lit/ about a year ago.
needless to say there's been a notable decline I'm the board since then, but my point still stands
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WTF I hate white people now
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c'mon, we know you don't mean that.
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>>9215880
No it's true. I hate my own kind, man
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>>9215884
>IP logged
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Post a piece of art and others suggest books that possibly relate to it.
Example:
>posted pic
>get suggested Mukiwa
>loved it
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For you, The Lost City of Z (before the movie comes out).
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>>9215867
Paradise Lost
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>>9215867
"It is then all the same whether we see the setting sun from a prison or from a palace."
- The World as Will and Representation, Vol. 1
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I'm scared to read this book.
From what I've heard some parts are awesome, until you get to the encyclopedia whale shit, and then it's all downhill from there.
What do
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Read it and come back to shit post about it on lit while posting loli pics is what u should do.
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>>9215885
Nice shitposts you have there
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>>9215830
you have a warped perception of what the book is actually like
just read it, its dope
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What are some books or genres which make you think less of others if they enjoy them?
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>>9215809
Nothing. I used to think that YA readers are dumb cunts. But then I read some good YA and realized its not the genre, its the dumb cunts.
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>>9215809
Modern conservative lit, like that garbage by Trump, Coulter, Yiannopolous, etc.
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>>9215823
I wouldn't call YA a genre. YA books could be sci-fi, romance, horror, whatever. YA is really loosely defined
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What would you call a story that takes place in the future, but does not feature significantly advanced technology from the year the story is published?
pic unrelated
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>>9216700
Sudanna, Sudanna is the only good thing that Brian Herbert wrote.
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Speculative fiction
Soft sf
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How are Melville's short stories?
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Pretty good. Read them.
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40 pages
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>>9215757
Really good, probably his best work outside Moby Dick
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Name a better black writer
I'll wait
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Langston Hughes
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>>9215672
Ralph Ellison
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Alexander Pushkin
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What do you guys think of pic related?
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>>9215630
I remember liking City of Glass. Didn't read the rest.
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>>9215630
I enjoyed it, my favorite was the Locked Room, it had a wistful, memory-style of storytelling that I quite liked.
Not exactly my favorite novel/set of novels, but worth the read for sure
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Really painful read. Dry, no imagination, cookie-cutter prose.
I recall a joke I made once to a bookclub, I stood up, locking eyes with the finest piece of ass there (a well trimmed man for 63). Our eyes either end of a string I said: "The man's name really should have been Paul Austere". There was a chuckle from at least five directions. I sat down with a not so shy smile on my face and was offered a glass of brandy for my little jape.
This week, we are reading Cynthia Ozick, not to be confused with Ruth Ozeki.