Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg

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Need Advice from previous thread, Is this valid and competitive?

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First for the Dark City! We sail for Commorragh!

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First for Papa Nurgle

>>52265550
That's not a gargant anon, that's one of them gorkanoughts or morkanoughts or whatever.

>>52265550
The warboss looks really bad.

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Reminder: Eldar are the most powerful race in the galaxy.

GSCs are the true dwarfs of 40k!

>>52266057

What are you going to do, just post this image and force me to masturbate every day when I see it?

Hey guys, I have been building harlequins and dark eldar. I was wondering what is the best way to transport my models? I have battlefoam for my tau army but harlequins and dark eldar have so many small poles and ribbons and what not that foam does not seem to be the best way to transport the army. Any suggestions?

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So Yvarine is pushing for the Eldar and Necrons to patch things up and ally with each other.

If she succeeds and the Necron legions march side by side with Eldar hosts against the scum of Chaos, how would feel about it?

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Hey anons, are there any tutorials to painting camouflage on Orks? Like Snikrot, for example, or this old Blood Axes art. I want to start up an Ork army for fun, and I like Blood Axes the best, but I don't know what colors would go well with their green skin.

>>52266399
could put magnets in the bases, stick them to an oven tray inside a box with enough clearance for the poles and spikes

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>Aeldari

>>52266483
Why are cheetas so damn goofy lol

I'm not sure if it is always you but someone is posting these damn pictures and I always laugh

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A guy at my LGS was kind enough to sit down and help me modify my army because I was worried about flyers.

What do you think of this 2000 point list?

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>>52242623
It won't be good, but there's a few things you can do to make it suck less. Note: suck less is the operative word. You'll be able to play against other fluffy players from mid/low tier armies. It basically relies on trying to go all in on having too many boyz to kill.

>1) Grots out front.
They act as cover and eat charges. They will die, but that's the plan. If they get close enough, they can eat an overwatch for the boyz. (They won't.)

>2) Boyz mobs on da march
Sluggas should be cheap as chips. 'Evy is a bad investment, and the sluggas will want to run. Big shootas are cheap though, and if the grots in front didn't run fast enough, a couple shots beats standing around doing nothing.
Shootas should always take max special weapons. Probably don't bother with 'evy here either.
Nobz in these mobs should probably have a PK and bosspole. Breaking heads is on average less than two casualties BUT it's the variance that'll kill you. Still, beats running off.

>3) Bosses
Warboss for waaagh! is a must. Probably just give him 'evy, lukky stick and pk to keep him lean and green.
Megaboss at the front of lootas is a funny trick though, you can give the lootas SnP Relentless so they can shoot on the move and hide behind the Megaboss.

>4) Support:
Mek Gunz are good, and can cover some weaknesses. Dreads are also decent, mainly to eat overwatch before boyz charge in. However you need lots or none at all on dreads, otherwise you're just giving their anti-tank targets, so probably stick with Mek Gunz.

>5) Wazza:
Fast attack should likely be warbikes. They can support your boyz in melee, and target problem squads with dakka.
Other option is stormboyz for moreboyz.jpg. Fragile as fuck, but can use their movement to hide as the footsloggas advance up the table, then jump out with the main charge mostly unscathed.

>Lotz) Skarboyz:
Elites should likely be last priority. Tankbustas or Manz Missiles. Either way, any trukk you give them will die fast if it can be seen.

>>52266517
Same

Don't know why people get so upset at it

Can anybody show off their custom chapters? Making my first right now, would like to see some /tg/ has done.

Someone red pill me on Nobz in a 'Naught
I don't even necessarily need the whole enchilada, I'll settle for a quick rundown.

>>52266794
>uses the term "redpill"
>doesn't even spell it correctly
>uses it for something that has no underlying conspiracy to "redpill"
>uses it for something that is literally self explanatory

I want nu-/tg/ to get the fuck out.

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>>52266450

Just do 80s style jungle military camo with football paint all over the face.

>>52265607
why las instead of auto?

>>52266794
I play orkz and I don't understand what you're asking.

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>>52266863
>>52266979

>>52266483
>MEA

>>52267038
Yes but what is the question

>>52266943
Anon, I'm asking for how to paint camo though?

I think that'd be too much green on one model though, I think?

>>52267088
purple is the sneakiest color

>>52267080
Is it cheese?

>>52267109
No it's garbage.

Big overcosted walker with an assault squad inside that can't assault out of it.

If you really want to run one it's better to either throw a repair crew inside or a dakka squad like burnas or tank bustas. They can at least pop out and shoot.

>>52267109
>Orkz
>Cheese
Best you can do is, like most other codexes, is Bikerspam.

>>52267058
BROTTTHER

Is it weird to be sexually aroused by predator battle tanks?

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Im moving soon and plan on buying a new army when I get to my new LGS. I want to focus an army around the weird 6's do something mechanic like rending or guass.

My original thoughts were to go Necrons but I've been thinking recently that I could instead go for deamons of slaanesh and nurgle to complement my chaos marines.

How bad are daemons of nurgle or slaanesh compared to average lists? I dont want to go full tzeentch but I dont want to get stomped either.

>>52267241
>>>/k/

>>52267260
could go with skitarii
rad carbines, transuranic arquebuses, taser weapons,

>>52267109
It's like the opposite. Trash garbage that was marketed as cheese, citing abilities it never had.

>>52267165
If you allow units from IA:8, av10spam is probably better.

Trukks get better with loads of buggies/grot tanks to cover them. So do mekboy junkas (which can KFF the nearby vehicles). Some big trakks to finish and Gork's ya uncle. It's still not great, but I'd rate it over bikerspam right now.

>>52267313
Can they ally with chaos as dark mech?

Always thought it was silly that guard couldn't

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look at this and tell me GW hasn't regressed in terms of model design

>>52267341
skitarii and chaos are CTA, so its problematic
theres a dark mech army list coming to 30k with the next blackbook, but that might be a while

>>52267364
rogue trader stuff is fucking ace
just ordered a few pewter rogue trader marines and i'm stoked

Asking again since the other thread apparently kinda ran out of steam:

Haven't played for years, is LasPlas still decent?

7th edition bikes in all capacities were a mistake.

>>52267415
not great
sorta schizo loadout and risks damaging the razorback because vehicles now have to deal with gets hot.
>>52267432
almost all of them, Reavers function exactly as intended and are balanced

>>52267432
Shouldn't have given them jink. That belongs to jump packs.

>>52267260
Eldar also have plenty of 6-based options thanks to bladestorm and D weapons

>>52267455
I wasn't necessarily refering to LasPlas Razors but also Tactical or, I suppose, Crusader squads with it.

>>52267485
ah, its functional, but again a little bit schizo unless theres a lot of MC's about

>>52267364

GW hasn't regressed in terms of model design.

They haven't always done better than RT, but they haven't regressed. They just stopped going for the goofy cartoon-y feel.

Could I get some advice on this EC list?

It's my first army, and my real struggle is that I don't have a good idea on what weapons/wargear to deck out my terminator units so any help there would be appreciated.

I planned this to have the first 3 noise squads sit back and be shooty, the 4th squad to advance to objectives and be a bit more durable.

Then for the terminators in close combat I have the lord and sorcerer, I am not against changing to two chaos lords, I really don't know there.

As for the 3 terminator squads I figured the champion needs a sword for challenges, needed a power fist for the x2 AP2, and the lightning claws I really don't know I was kind of thinking that it would help me deal with smaller hordes of units.

Can I get some help?

>>52267518
Alright, thanks. Guess I'll just have to give it a try and see how I fare with it.

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>>52267547
I always forget the image

It's worth mentioning that I am not completely set on the terminators. Anything that will compliment the kakophoni will be good

>>52265671
yeah I'm not pleased

>>52266977
Taking Catachan painted with a sick hue so that they look like hybrids...they come with lasguns but it's the same stat line I believe.

>>52265607
>Taking Catachan painted with a sick hue so that they look like hybrids...they come with lasguns but it's the same stat line I believe.

I have more Guard and special/heavy weapons available also more genestealers, like 48 total
First time playing cult so I appreciate any help

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Thoughts on this list?
playing a 2vs2 each team using 1850
The kid I'm playing with has the Death Masque Harlequins so I figured I'd use the few elder I have to make a unified force.
Is it too much?

So where does the 1850 even come from? Why not go up to 2000?

>>52267934
250 point increments up to 1750 but NA ITC/ competitive scene wanted more room for both toys and counters so +100.

>>52267934
Games are taking too long as it is. Some major tournaments are talking about going down to 1650.

>>52267959
1500 is damn reasonable and is the perfect point level

>>52267934
1850 to 200 is another whole unit, or even two, which means more turns required to kill them. It extends time further. That's just about it.

>>52267981
Larger games are partially a holdout from when the game was more streamlined and played faster. 1500 now takes longer than 2000 did in 5e.

So now that the Custodes have a base 5+ invulnerable save, are the storm shields still worth it?

Are dark eldar any good? I'm looking for ideas for a 40k army and thought Incubi and jetbikers were neat.

>>52268063
Wait, really? They gave them that big of a buff after a couple months, but Rubricae got fuckall?

>>52268073

They are worse than they used to be, however, if you are EXTREMELY skilled, they can compete with even the top armies.

To make them MUCH easier to play, consider Craftworld Eldar allies.

DE are a shooting army, don't expect to play melee and do well.

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>>52267109

Well GW certainly thinks so.

>>52267460
>remove jink from bikes
>jump packs that have used their jump movement or arrive from deep strike reserves gain 4++ to shooting until their next turn

>>52268089
Chaos can't take Tartaros termies.

GW (and a large portion of the fanbase, sadly, though many recognize the unfairness of this action) hate Chaos.

>>52268089
That and the vexilla went down 20pts in price. Still can't go spear and shield though which is a shame because I love the way the spears look.

I am probably just venting here, so forgive me for being a little shit and wasting your time.

I got to play my first game today, and it was not a great experience. I'm not sure if it's common practice, but I played against a tau player and he switched out some units after seeing that I had an imperial fist army and I am not sure what exactly did it but I got slaughtered in two turns.

He had some of those riptides I hear so much about, but it was more his attitude and refusal to let me take time too look things up that really sucked.

Is this normal? Have any of y'all had this happen?

>>52268252
People being autistic assholes? Unfortunately, it's not uncommon. Just learn to stand up for yourself and tell dickheads to fuck off.

Where you at?

What did your list look like? Tau are a strong army in that very few options are straight bad and a handful (like the Riptide) are OP. Space Marines have the potential to be one of the strongest armies in the game, but they also have tons of shitty units and builds.

Are there any rules for making 40k characters for campaigns, or should I just rip off the Horus Heresy rules?

>>52268252
None of that is common practice. Maybe switching out some units if, for example, you have a super mechanised list and his default army had no anti-tank, but otherwise no.

Sounds like he was just desperate for an easy win. What points level was this at anon, and what were you fielding?

>>52268252
Oh, and that "wanting to switch shit out after seeing your army" thing. Don't let people do that. There are times and places where it's acceptable (against all Knights for example), but, in general, insist on a written list exchanged concurrently with your own list.

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>>52268287
I am the IF tard that keeps making sternhammer lists. I'll attach it to this post.

I have always worried about flyers at higher point levels, and as such have had to sacrifice points to deal with it. It seems like if I can just switch things out it's a little dumb.

>>52268308
1000 points, I fielded pic related

>>52268252
the problem is allowing people to list tailor, either ask them not to, tailor against them if they do or refuse to play them if they do
I had a guy who list tailored against my d-99 list one game and made 8-% of his army either interceptor, skyfire or both and basically tabled me turn 2, back when I was new and unadjusted.
Now I just have multiple lists ready so I can switch them out if I meet an autist

>>52268345
Maybe I just met an autist, it's almost like he sought me out because everyone knew I was a noob

>>52268252
>I'm not sure if it's common practice, but I played against a tau player and he switched out some units after seeing that I had an imperial fist army
This is seen as poor sportsmanship.

>his attitude and refusal to let me take time too look things up
Poor sport at best, potential cheater at worst. He should at least look things up and show you if he knows you're a new player. Sounds like a you just had a run in with some fuckwit.

>tfw the Trukk Boyz box only saves $11.25
I'll still take the savings though.

>>52268333
>Heavy bolters on devs

I mean I know they look cool and they can be good, but most of the time you are served better with grav or plasma

>>52268333
He bought more than one riptide in a thousand point game?

Never ever play this dude again.

>>52268252
List tailoring before a game is not cool. You should be handing each other your lists at the same time and making no changes. If your opponent wants to bring a different list because you're fielding a super-heavy, that's maybe acceptable. But you should have the same opportunity to change your list, as long as you keep the offending unit/s.

You played against a poor sport and an asshole who took advantage of your inexperience. Sorry bro, most players aren't like that.

>>52268449
I don't know enough about tau to know if it was legal or not, needless to say I didnt stand a chance

>>52268455
>most players aren't like that.
Thanks, I hope so

>>52268333
Best SM anti-air is a Librarian. Psychic Shriek is great for anti FMC, and the Heretek powers give no fucks about Fliers since no-roll-to-hit.

>>52268455
>Sorry bro
Anon, everyone knows that Imperial Fists players are girls

>>52268459
It's legal, but an absolute cunt move. Riptides are hard to kill at the best of times, let alone when you've only got 1000pts of shit to utilize.

>>52268470
I didn't want to bring it up.

However, the tau player wouldn't drop it

>>52268459
It's legal, it's just considered poor etiquette. The refusal to let you look up rules was extremely suspect though, especially since you're a new player.

>>52268459
It's legal. But it's an extremely dick move especially against a new player. I'm not exaggerating when I say some armies literally have no answer to multiple riptides at 1000pts.

>>52268252
Seems pretty typical lots of massive autistic assholes in the 40k community.
My first game I just wanted to try a couple of units against a guys entire army.
When my small force started winning the guy immediately started cheating.

>>52268478
Depending on how autistic he is he was either not letting anon look up rules so he had an advantage or he was just turbo sperg and expects everybody to have memorized the rulebook front to back before ever touching a table.

>>52267341
If you model them to look Chaos-y enough I don't think anyone would mind, at least not in casual games.

>>52267914
>>52267557
>>52266655
>>52265607
Where are you guys making these list images?
I want some advice on building my army and that way looks perfect

>>52268516
It's in the op, towards the bottom

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>>52267364
Looks like they're doing much nicer to me.

>>52268516
>>52268531
Oh also, don't use it if you're new or don't know how to build a list. All it does is provide points values and pretty formatting, it's basically a fancy calculator, and definitely not a substitute for knowing your codex/the rules.

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>>52268487
>My first game for 6+ years of being out of the hobby
>Didn't really bother to read new rules much
>Bring pretty standard 1250 guard list, few tanks, some vets, a platoon with heavy weapons
>It's against a Tau player (go figure)
>He puts down a lot of fucking models
>He seems nice enough so I didn't bother to check his list
>Fucking roflstomp him, almost tabled him by the end even though he rules lawyered the shit out of me and didn't show me most of the rules
>He is super salty
>Get home and chuck what I can remember into the list builder
>Mfw even barebones it was nearly 1500 points and he still got crushed

>>52268556
What were you running exactly? What was he running (roughly)?

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How are Ork Kommandos and what upgrades should I take on them, as well as how many should I take per unit?

>>52268674
isn't their statline just that of a normal boy with infiltrate?

I've always like those models though and really want to pick up some myself... and I don't even play orks!

>>52268674
Theyre bad, just like all the orky aspect warriors

>>52268692
They also have Stealth and Move Through Cover alongside Infiltrate, and can take up to two Burnas, Big Shootas, or Rokkit Launchas.

But yeah, they're perhaps the best models GW has ever made. Look at the Nob's foot. He has a dent in his metal boot and a hole in his holster. Care to take a guess as to why?

>>52268710
Yeah, I guess.

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rate please

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Building my Lost force for an upcoming store campaign, Astorath is basically a place holder till I can come up with a campaign SC with similar stats to Forge a Narrative™ with. Thoughts?

FRST FOR DA ORKS

>>52268666
I ran something like this from memory

>CCS in chimera with plasma
>vets with melta in chimera
>Big platoon with a full conscripts blob
>lascannon weapon team
>3 russes, one an executioner

His list was basically two riptides and a suit deathstar backed up by some point filling fire warriors and stealth suits with some of those Tetra things

Admittedly he was a shit player, he grouped up all his suits and my russes made fucking mincemeat of them, a few of them fucked up their deep strike onto an infantry squad too, kek. The riptides were bullshit but he obligingly shot at the conscipt I fed to them and managed to get rid of one with the CCS and my executioner

When I was raping his crisis suits I ran a bunch of squads around, capped objectives and camped in cover while my other vets removed those stupid markerlights dudes.

>>52268726
Drop the master of ordinance and eversor and get yourself a nice big blob of conscripts.

>>52268768
I cant afford to blob up quite that much

>>52268776
eBay is your friend.

>>52268768
Not him, but
>drop my two favorite things to run with IG and get yourself my favorite tactic with IG
You are demanding a very painful thing.

>>52268726
Plasma sents or bust. Those 120 pts could be better served keeping your order-giving units alive in a Mobile Command Vehicle.

>>52268726

Needs at least two more Wyverns to be rapetastic.

>>52268792
>Plasma sents or bust. Those 120 pts could be better served keeping your order-giving units alive in a Mobile Command Vehicle.

Im not sure what you mean by this (havent played in years)

>>52266943
So if we're talking Citadel colors, abbadon black?

>>52268674
>How are Ork Kommandos

Terrible

>what upgrades should I take on them

None

>how many should I take per unit?

Other units

Kommandos are hands-down one of the worst Ork units in a codex that is jam packed full of them. If Ignore Cover wasn't handed out like candy, and if Orks hit harder than wet noodles in close combat, and if you could assault from Infiltrate/Reserves, Kommandos might be worth a look. As it is, they're a complete waste of points. Look at Genestealer Cults if you want to see what Kommandos should be like.

Models are absolutely stunning though.

>>52268723
>They also have Stealth

Pretty worthless

>Move Through Cover

Mostly worthless

>and can take up to two Burnas

Honestly their only redeeming feature, except they pay 15 goddamn points for the honour of toting a regular flamer that you just might get a chance to slice up a Marine with. As for the Big Shootas and Rokkit Launchers, they're just as useless as they always are in Boyz squads.

>>52268801
Plasma cannons on the sentinels or put our CCS and PCS in a chimera.

Also you could probably drop the grenadiers or vox casters since your vets are inside transports anyways. They won't be taking armor saves while inside and you can't issue orders to units inside a transport iirc.

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>>52268801
Armored Sentinels with Plasma Cannons. A bit more costly, but 10 pts means each sentinel won't be dying to bolters and will be spitting out plasma cupcakes at MEQ instead of peashooting single kraks at them.

Also, your CCS and PCS give orders to your grunts. That makes them targets for your opponents, and since they have no transport to hide in, they are easily killed. If, however, they are in a chimera, they are both 1) protected and 2) now have the special rule Mobile Command Vehicle, which slightly extends the range they can give orders.

Also, you're really missing the backbone of the guard. No tonks?

>>52268723
>Look at the Nob's foot. He has a dent in his metal boot and a hole in his holster.
In the X number of years since I saw these guys drop in White Dwarf and thought "fuck, those are some nice minis" I never once noticed this. It's brilliant and I love it.

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>>52268822
>>52268812
Is this better.

Also Im not huge on tanks so I thought A central infantry blob with mobile specialists would be more interesting

>>52268726

why are the psyker in chimeras? that limits the psykic abilities that they can use.

>>52268843
So what's your gameplan? You've got 5 infantry squads, HWTs, a PCS, and a CCS immobile behind the ADL, likely with the psykers, while two boxes and 3 sentinels patrol the field and eat 100% of the incoming fire.

If the enemy just LOS's your ADL blob, what's your plan? How are you hoping to keep the 5 mobile models alive through 1750 pts of enemy fire? How will you take objectives?

Not criticizing. I just want to hear how this army plays out in your own words to give further advice.

What are the admech units from forgeworld one can use in 40k games? Asking because the robotos from fw look much better than the goofy kastelans.

>>52268868
Honestly I just like the idea of mobile specialists, one lot gunners one like magic. Also the 1d4chan page said it was the best thing to do with them

>>52268879
Idea was to have all the chimeras mobile and the sentinels and just hope for the best. I understand mobility is the biggest issue for this list

>>52268884
None of them yet, only 40k FW units for AdMech are the two Secutarii units.

>>52268887
The thing is Psykers can only cast witchfire powers out of transports so they'll have to disembark before they can cast anything else.

>>52268887
Don't trust 1d4chan it is full of lies and stupidity.

>>52268729
I personally prefer more power fists in exchange for the power swords. I've had 2 power fist death company marines beat the ever living shit out of an untouched imperial knight with ease. You'll have enough chainsword meatshields to tank hits so your fists can fuck up just about any unit at lower initiative. If you have any spare points after that, I would recommend throwing a heavy flamer on the dreads. Not compulsory, but it'll be nice versatility were you to fight a horde army or essentially any army with models t4 and below. Takes a bit of luck, but killing a squad of scatbikes with nothing but a heavy flamer was pretty satisfying.

>>52268905
>>52268899
How would you suggest I change things?
preferably without adding a conscript blob

>>52268894
That's unfortunate. I wish they'd update the rules soon, there's some great tyranid units in forgeworld as well

Can the null maiden task force take any transports?

>>52268923
The next Imperial Armour, Fires of Cyraxus is supposed to bring some of the 30k units to 40k but who knows what rules they'll gain or lose in the conversion.

>>52268303
Horus Heresy rules are pretty good.

Think there was also customizaton in the Path to glory book ( i think thats what it was called.

>>52268934
My understanding is that most Volkite weapons won't make it.

>>52268956
I just want the plasma mortar with the plasma wave rule, hopefully with the enhanced targeting or something similar that reduces cover saves. I just want to lob plasma at eldar bikes and watch as they attempt to jink.

Why we got 2 threads

>>52268983
Autism.

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How should I assemble my second SW venerable dreadnought? I'm thinking of just making a second axe and blizzard shield because of how much fire they can attract but I'm also tempted to make a Murderfang or Bjorn

>>52268983
Do we?
Can't find the other.

>>52269028
I've got a faster way to properly assemble space wolves.

1. heat your oven to 450 F
2. put your space wolves box in the oven (no tray required)
3. Let bake for 24 hours

>>52269045
Alternatively if you are impatient and can't wait that long, 20 minutes on high in the microwave will assemble them just fine.

>>52269045
>>52269064
I'm not really in a rush to assemble them, I guess I'll try melting them out in the sun.

So what's the deal with Imperial Armor 8 for orkz?

I know they updated for dread mob, but can I bring kill krusha tanks, battle fortresses etc? Would be nice to have super heavies other than buzzgob's stompa.

>>52269080
From what I've seen at tourneys you're good to go for that stuff in your army, still legal and all that. I played a guy with triple battlefortress and he blew me off the table last year at a tourney.

>>52269080

Although it's out of print, and FW no longer has the updated Dread Mob list on their website, technically it's still legal since it's the most recent version of the book.

Which does raise the interesting question of whether that means Kroot Mercenaries is still a legal army.

>>52269139
itc does allow kroot mercs, but why you'd do that to yourself if is beyond me

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Who /khorne/ here?

I'm playing in a Herald of Ruin Kill Team game on Friday. Since I'm new to 40k tabletop in general and I only have the SC Space Marine box, what's the best way to equip my 10 tactical marines? (I won't have the Terminator Captain ready)

If you could be teleported to the world of 40k, would you like to see the inside of a hive world, eldar craftworld or a Tau Sept?

>>52269147
Well it could probably be a good conversation starter. I didnt even know Kroot mercs were a thing.

>>52269175
>hive world

You mean Nids? Fuck that shit.

>>52269190
>doesn't know what a hive world is

Newfags get out

>>52269190
No, a hive world is an imperium planet with tens of billions of people. Look it up. The cities grow so large they assume the form of hives, with the nobles and wealthy living near the top while the poor live in the toxic cloud cover of the bottom

>>52269170
Heralds of Ruin is played at 250 by the way, not 200. But here's a great way to start:

> full 10-man squad: 140 points
This is 1 Sergeant(your team leader), and 9 tactical marines. Since you don't have any Special units, you won't have any support options, so try loading your dudes up on wargear.

> Give your sergeant the Armour of Alacrity for 20 points
> Give one dude a plasma gun, and one a missile launcher(Ideally this would actually be a Lascannon, as your anti-2+ sniper).
> Give 8 dudes Auxiliary Grenade Launchers
> Give 2 of your grenade launcher dudes Smoke Grenades

Smoke Grenades are your lifeline in this game when facing heavy-weapon equipped teams in HOW. Since you can plop half your team down in cover, and have a dude throw his smokes to give them Shrouded.

>>52269208
You can see how he got confused though. Imagine a bunch of vermin skittering around, looking to destroy and devour everything around them, congregating in their billions, even trillions, forming a massive hive mind all bent to follow a single master directive, the only purpose in their lives, slowly eroding the entire galaxy in their never ending quest of consumption.

And then you've got Tyranids which are basically the same thing.

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>>52267038
B-but me Warboss always tol' me NOT to put me nob in a 'Naut!

>>52269041
I'll tell then to switch threads

>>52269253
Yer' warboss deserves a proppa zoggin

There are tons of marines codices
Is there much of a difference between them or is it just fluff and design?

>>52269310
Not really, they could easily be rolled into one big codex.
But that doesnt wring enough money out of the playerbase.

>>52269310
rules wise there are some differences, some more prominent than others

blood angels and space wolves will play very differently, even if they are both at their core just a bunch of space marines

>>52269343
Codex and faction bloat is confusing to newbs

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I need some advice for a very competitive escalation league. Can you guys help? I haven't played since fucking 5th ed.

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>>52268674
kommandoz are a little weak. however they are not useless. they are the classic 40k unit that sacrifices hitting power for the option to infiltrate - in essence trading killing power for flexibility.

some anons have said they are fairly paltry in CC and shooting, and that is true, but their primary opponents are going to be backline units that have even less of a chance of defending themselves in combat than the kommandoz do, heavy weapons teams, tanks with AV 10 rears, etc.

actually using infiltrate to infiltrate them is situational - I personally outflank my kommandoz, preferably with snikrot so they can choose which board edge they come on. this also makes them good for applying pressure in unexpected places, and perhaps opening up late game objective grabs in places the opponent may not be able to muster up the force to kill them.

they will not clear units off the board unless they are pathetically undefended, but that's the point of kommandoz, they're the needle you stick in someone's eye, not the sledgehammer you bash their head with.

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>>52265550
Have any of you canadians ever thought about going to miniwargaming and running the most high end WAAC list against matt for his beat matt batrep?

It would be bloody hilarious.

>>52270152
I don't understand most of what you just typed.
Your game sounds dumb.

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>>52270119
>>52270119

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>>52270152
I'm amazingly tempted to do it myself with my favorite Meme-list of just 10 contemptors.

What kind of lists does the waacfaggot matt use himself?

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>>52269148

So 40k is not turning into Age of the Emperor, but Age of the Primarchs.

With qt grils for the Primarchs cocks.

Who asked for "plot" advancement so they can neck themself.

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So, I've been wondering: Do the Minotaurs appear in any books outside of Imperial Armour? Are there any stories about daddy Moloc bullying another Space Marine chapter into submission, or do I have to resort to IA?

Hi all, a nid kill team player here. im looking to move over to a different faction. im wanting to play a more "turtle" type play style with very tanky units. any suggestions?

So the Deathwatch box is the best place to get MK8 power armour?

>>52270563
Nurgle marines are your best bet. Emperor's Children with Icon of Excess is pretty good too, but that's a good amount of points.

>>52270617
>2017 buying or playing marines

Please stop, have some self respect.

>>52269663
Truly Orks are the most intelligent race.

>>52270546
Just FW afaik. They existed ages ago but Forge World pretty much rebooted the chapter and retconned the older stuff.

The Badab war is pretty violent bullying though.

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>>52270660
Well, guess I'll have to take a look at the mega folder to see if it's there. Thanks anyways.

>>52270640
taufag pls go

>>52270714
So wrong and lost.

>>52270740
Absolutely flawless, don't change a thing.

So is the Talons of the Emperor codex not a total rehash? It's hard to believe there's any originality to it when they literally raped the fluff by pasting in Land Raiders, Rhinos and the fucking B@C Contemptor. But apparently Custodes were buffed? What do we know?

Is the contemptor mortid dread legal in 40k?

>>52270329
Matt would find a way to beat you
With tyranids

Can someone share Gathering Storm companion book?

>>52270784
>5 flying Hive Tyrants with ESG
wow so difficult

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List I've been working on for a narrative campaign at my FLGS. Probably might need to shave points later on for bonus SC points when we need to generate or characters for the campaign. Mostly worried about antiair and big tank lists.

>>52270764
Also would like to know this. Atleast the land raider is 275pts but has Venerable and 5++. Custodes also have inbuilt inv save.

>>52270858
>1/6 chance to get stuck on some rubble.

Why are vehicles so bad.

>Tyranids make planetfall on Baal
>Overwhelm the Blood Angels forces
>Chapter is forced to retreat
>The Hive Mind absorbs Sanguinius' body
>Sangy returns as the Tyranids' equivalent of the Queen of Blades
Discuss.

>>52270906
That's so fucking retarded you should apply for a writing position at Blizzard.

>>52270906
After the shit of Gathering of the Storm books. That some how manage to fuck up the setting while also not doing nothing I would not be surprise if Vulkan shows up with female marines to fight the queen of blades with the help of Ork cheerleaders.

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I leave this picture here for you kiddies, in case you grow up and want to play a REAL game. Stormcasts are even bigger than Spacemarine miniatures!
Quit 40k now and save yourself the suffering when 8th comes out.
AoS is the better game!

>>52270906
Why can't we have Greyfax as Kerrigan? It seems more fitting to me. She's psychic after all. Cato can be Tychus if you ask me.

>>52270947
Here is your REEE. Now go back and eat some more citadel glue.

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>>52270947

>I am a total homo.

Good for you!

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>>52270945
> Ork cheerleaders
Did'nt know I want it until now.

>>52270947
Sorry but the "make sounds to get more buff" will for ever be shameful stain on AoS.

Have your (you)

>>52270979
Are you new? Blood Bawl had Ork Cheerleaders. You know back when GW at least pretended to care about the hobby and its consumers.

>>52268114
Mmm...no.

4+ cover. You don't get an invuln save just because you can jump good. Now hold still; I got an eradicator with your name in it.

>>52270997
Like Blood Bowl is not a thing anymore.

>>52270920
Top kek

Makes you wonder what the fuck is Andy Chambers doing there...

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>>52270764
They got a 5++ across the board, which makes spearmen and vehicles a lot more interesting.
Still no rending on the swords though, which sucks.

>>52271013
Does it have Ork cheerleaders or amazons?

Haven't played in a while and I'm trying to get back into it, what's a good starting point for a small ~750 assault leaning Ynnari army? I always loved DE and harlequins but didn't like the rules for them that much. Soulburst seems like it can get nuts.

>>52271049
Why is that land raider more expensive than my riptide?

How do the Cadian Snipers fair in Kill Team?

>>52271060
It only came year ago.

>>52271049
They really made a paper book codex with 3 units.

Looking to buy a 4x4 gaming mat for Kill Team. What are the best options around? Ideally something that I can easily buy in the UK.

>>52271067
Because Riptides, while no longer being the meme-unit they used to be, are still pretty undercosted for their power when compared to the average. We've forgotten a lot about it due to the newer, even worse bullshit, but the Riptide is still insanely high-tier as a unit.

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>>52270906

>>52271073
Maybe if they didn't axed shit randomly we wouldn't have this discussion.

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>>52271084

The Kraken Wargames mats are the best I've ever seen. I've got two at the moment, and I haven't got a bad thing to say about them.

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>>52271082

To be fair, they're mostly just throwing a small table scrap bone to people collecting the models with no intent of treating them as an actual army.

I said I was being fair, not making them sound better.

>>52270906
Not saying I wouldn't turn gay for Sanguinus but y'know, no tits

>>52270920
>>52270945
top kek

>>52271120
I remember seeing their finished kickstarter a while ago. Are they being sold in the UK yet, or just that one German website?

>>52270947
>dude lmao fanbase infighting
>40k is getting squatted soon and Age of Emprah will happen!
>Nu-Marines will replace all of your SM models and they look like those golden faggots!

Why are Fantasyfags the worst?

>>52271082
Well yeah and it comes with boxed set, not sold separatley*

*Unless you buy them as e-books and they arent full prized anyway.

>>52271217
AoS fags. Fantasy fags don't actually use the internet.

>>52270978
total support

>>52271229
>they don't use the internet
>this thread exists:
>>52196381

lmao fantasyfags truly are the worst cucks who lie and cheat and want others to suffer

>>52271229
>implying they don't buy a used PC that gets the manufacturer not a single penny just to shitpost about their squatted game
>and then complain that nothing new comes for their win98 system

>>52270906
Sanguinor is getting more and more powerful m8 - it actually appears outside of a battle and speaks before the high council saying there is hope

>>52271267
Kek

To be fair they didn't get new shit or things worth buying for years. Hard to blame them for GW own incompetence

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>>52270947
I know this is a troll but I unironically love their squats.

I would consider collecting them if the local community wasn't so autistic about shooting rules. They get super butthurt about everything related to it, "NO SHOOTING IN TO MELEE, NO SHOOTING IF IN MELEE, NO SHOOTING OVER YOUR OWN TROOPS AND I DONT CARE WHAT THE RULES SAY IT'S MY WAY OR NOTHING AT ALL"

>>52271309
Man, that balloon dude is the dopiest fucking shit. I'm not sure if I love it or despise it.

>>52271309
>Fantasy got squated so hard that Squats materialise into AoS

>>52271309
>Metal balloon dwarf with a chainsword

It's riding a fine line between fucking stupid and kinda cool. I can't tell which side it's on.

>>52271318
I normally hate AoS for being so over the top compared to the fantasy I've come to expect but this guy is so over the top of the over the top stuff a sort of double negitive hits and I go back to loving him.

He's so silly! He's a steam punk, dwarfen, gentleman thief, sky pirate captain.
Like a flying dick dastardly if he teamed up with dan backslide.

>>52268468
psychic shriek cant snap shoot. youre doing it wronk

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>>52271333
It's both

>>52271353
Why not?

FAQ said it hits automatically.

>>52271353
Shriek doesn't even shoot. It just does 3d6-Ld wounds

Is this another GW doesn't even play the game it writes rules for, or I'm missing something?

>>52271333
It's stupidly cool.

Or stylishly stupid.

>>52271198
I got mine from their kick-starter. I just assumed they were available from retailers because of how popular they were.

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>>52270997
ork cheerleaders, pfft
not telling people about the superior chaos cheerleader.
yes, 3 count em.

>>52271401
Anon why do you remind of this shit. We are trying to make new GW look bad not look good by comparison.

>>52271396
As far as I can see they're only sold on a German website called Fantastywelt. Looking at ~63 euros for a 4x4 mat, including shipping, assuming I can navigate my way to checkout and place an order.

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Hey /tg/, my FLGS is in the midst of an escalation league and we just got to adding in formations that aren't CADs. I was wondering what formations work well with Blood Angels at 1000 points.

>>52270906
no

>>52271491
riptide wing

>>52271491
Don't listen to >>52271544

You need some warp spiders or scatter bike spam.

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>>52267260
Daemonettes are pretty fast and will tear throught most things in the 3-4 toughness/10-12 rear armour range due to their mass of attacks and rending. They're not unlikely to hit home turn two, and most likely will have found something to charge on 3, and they get 5++ and come at 9 points a pop, they also almost aways strike first, and you can summon more of them.

>>52271491
Non-CADs?

Lucifer armoured task force.
Chapter ancients.
10th company ambush force.

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I want to start with CSM, either Alpha Legion or Death Guard, so infantry heavy. Trying to come up with a 1k points list, please r8.
This would let me start with start collecting Chaos, 1 Rhino squad (have to get the second Rhino somewhere else), and a box of Terminators, Raptors and Havocs.
Longterm plan would be to add enough to have a Death Guard or Alpha Legion detachment (infiltration sounds really awesome).

Haven't played since 3rd ed, I remember there were Havocs which had the shouldered autocannons, is there a way to still get them? Not a fan of the way the current Havocs are holding them.

>>52271617
If you're going death guard everything needs to be upgraded with mark of nurgle.
If alpha legion then you're not allowed marks.
Double reaper cannons is better on a hellbrute if you want to make it shooty.
That lists doesn't qualify for either legion but is a pretty solid base, give melta guns to raptors.

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>>52265550
We've got an ITC-style doubles tournament at my shop in a few weeks. This is a tournament list. For a tournament. I am not bringing this against a casual player, okay?
My partner is probably going to run Knights.
Any improvements I can make to this?

Anyone have the new sisters epub, i know it's like 2 units or whatever but am eager to see what is allowed/what dedicated transports etc

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>>52271655
How can I take double reapers on the Helbrute? Codex entry says I can replace the second power fits with Thunder Hammer, Power Scourge or Missile Launcher, is it in traitor legions? I wanted the Lascannons for better anti-tank than autocannons, are Meltas on Raptors/CSM enough?
Marks will come later, they are not modelled on the units usually, aren't they?

>>52271369
Is it just me or does that look vaguely falloutesque? I mean the good fallouts not the bethesda shit?

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>>52271734
Yes, we have an epub that is going to be released this Saturday.
This is the best you're going to get for now.

>>52271491
Just run a flesh tearers with assault pod spam, throw scouts and a devastator unit in the back (babysit them with a priest). Then spend the rest of the points into pods.
New angels blade formations are kind of difficult to work with in 1000, at least the ones I used were. 10th company force would be relatively cheap.

>>52271318
>>52271350
Two words: Gun Moustache.

>>52271826
Did they just separated SoS between dakka and choppy and called 2 new units?

Please tell me I'm missing something

>>52271748
I'm getting confused with loyalists, but I dont think missile launcher + lascannon is wroth it.

Hellbrutes don't do much so I would just run reaper + powerfist with combi, keep them cheap.

>>52269175
Actually, I'd be most interested in seeing a forge world.

>>52271748
Also, how good are the units in Dark Vengeance ruleswise, would it be a good buy with the cultists and chosen? I don't see their usefulness,but I also have no idea what's good.

>>52270152
I'd love to see it. Matt accidentally cheats so much it's infuriating. People always bring such shit lists to those batreps too. They look ready for fun and then get stomped with rules breaking bullshit.

>>52271857
There's also the burny Sisters too. 3 units
One all armed with: bolters, swords, or flamers

>>52271902
Why.jpg
It is IA Henchmen squad all over again. Why separate shit into different squads just to mix them all up in a formation.

>>52271914
Because 8th Ed is looming on the horizon and they're throwing any old shit together in order to sell models/books. Just look at what happened with Dark Heresy before 2nd Ed came out. Though at least with that they had solid fluff to back up broken mechanical stuff.

I just picked up a unit of Wyches and the Kabalite Skysplinter since I like DEldar but want to run them as Ynnari. My question comes down to painting: Should I just paint them entirely with a spray can of Chaos Black since it seems that's what Duncan does, or should I use primer then black? I guess I mean, does Chaos Black in the can function as primer?

+++(1850pts) +++

++ Combined Arms Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2014) (1265pts) ++

+ World Eaters +

+ HQ +

Kharn the Betrayer (160pts)

+ Troops +

Khorne Berzerkers (315pts) [14x Berzerkers (266pts), Veterans of the Long War]
Berzerker Champion (49pts) [Bolt Pistol, Lightning Claw (15pts), Melta Bombs (5pts)]

Khorne Berzerkers (315pts) [14x Berzerkers (266pts), Veterans of the Long War]
Berzerker Champion (49pts) [Bolt Pistol, Lightning Claw (15pts), Melta Bombs (5pts)]

+ Heavy Support +

[FW] Chaos Fire Raptor Gunship (225pts) [Daemonic Possession (15pts), Four Wing mounted Hellstrike missiles, Reaper Autocannon Batteries (10pts)]

Maulerfiend (125pts) [Magma cutters]

Maulerfiend (125pts) [Magma cutters]

++ Allied Detachment (Renegades & Heretics: IA13 / IA:SoV v2008) (585pts) ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Imperial Armour Variant [IA: Siege of Vraks]

+ HQ +

Renegade Command Squad (55pts) [3x Disciple w/ Lasgun (30pts)
Arch Demagogue (5pts) [Carapace Armour (5pts), Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol],
Disciple w/ Command Net Vox (15pts)

+ Troops +

Renegade Infantry Platoon (300pts)
Platoon Command Squad (100pts) [Militia Training (10pts), 15x Renegade w/ Lasgun (45pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
Demagogue (8pts)
Renegade w/ Chaos Sigil (8pts) [Laspistol]
3x Renegade w/ Grenade Launcher (24pts)

Renegade Infantry Squad (100pts) [Militia Training (10pts), 15x Renegade w/ Lasgun (45pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
Renegade Champion (8pts)
Renegade w/ Chaos Sigil (8pts)
3x Renegade w/ Grenade Launcher (24pts)

Renegade Infantry Squad (100pts) [Militia Training (10pts), 15x Renegade w/ Lasgun (45pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
Renegade Champion (8pts)
Renegade w/ Chaos Sigil (8pts)
3x Renegade w/ Grenade Launcher (24pts)

+ Heavy Support +

Renegade Artillery Battery (230pts)
2x Renegade Basilisk

Would you claim skulls with?

>>52271826
Thanks... damn, i had hoped they'd gain access to the land raider :(

>>52269175
Craftworld, if only because we have the least art and detail of what it's like.

>>52269310
Mostly just a few different units and special rules here and there. Grey Knights and space wolves are the most different, while Blood and Dark Angels only have a few big things that set them apart.

>>52271934
I want this new CEO to go and stay go.
This is like the French Revolution. They change a king for another king. Nothing changes nothing ever will.

>>52271970
By far the best GW has been in years
>go and stay go
you're free to have Kirby back, but feel free to keep him whatever reality you're living in, rather than the rest of us suffer under his "not a games company" tyranny again

>>52271982
When you are cleaning shit, having to clean watery shit from a carpet is worst than just trying to clean a more dry one.

Looking good by comparison does not mean he is any good. He was part of the Kirby team.

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>>52271970
You're more autistic than Julia.

>>52271970
Hey, let's not be hasty. There's some money grubbing going on, but this is still miles better than Kirby's reign.

>>52272017
Again looking good by comparison is not really good.

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I've got a bunch of Admech / Skitarii models to build and I was wondering how I should go about equipping them.

I've got:

Tech Priest Dominus (already built with eradication ray and macrostubber)
One box of robots (I think I like the look better with powerfists and to be honest, I'm not sure how the luminagen rule works so I'm kind of reluctant to take phosphor weapons anyway)
Two boxes of the basic skitarii dudes, built four of them as rangers with basic rifles already. It seems like most of the upgrades are pretty poor value for these guys, so I'm considering having no special weapons, etc. Not sure how to distinguish the ranger alpha if he has the same weapons as the others; the vanguard one has a cool helmet. Maybe the head from the ruststalker leader would fit on a ranger body?
Two boxes of sicarians. Both types look cool to me, but I seem to remember people saying one was much better than the other. I'm inclined to build them all as infiltrators with power swords and stubcarbines, because I really dig the stubcarbines and that neurostatic aura is kind of nice. No grenades seems like an issue for an assault unit though.
Three ironstriders / dragoons. I think I like the look of the dragoons better, but I might also want to qualify for that formation which gives them outflank, which I can do with two dragoons and one ironstrider, right?

>>52272054

>built four of them as rangers with basic rifles already
Vanguard are better for damage output, but ah well.

>It seems like most of the upgrades are pretty poor value for these guys
This is incorrect.

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>>52271748
For a Land Raider and two extra Terminators, plus the suite of upgrades (including mandatory MoN on everything), you can comfortably hit 1500pts. 1000 is a bit hard to squeeze a Chaos Warband into.

>>52272054
a few tips from a fellow ad mech player-
1) rangers are trash compared to vanguard. I have one unit of 5 for the two (excellent) sniper rifles, the rest of my troops are kitted out as vanguard. Sicarian head will definitely not fit on a ranger. I just trimmed his robe in gold to show that he's the boss.
2) the special weapons are all nice, only put the snipers on rangers though. the rad carbines are fantastic though. a unit of 10 vanguard causes total carnage. Plasma calivers are expensive but very much worth it.
3) Onagers with neutron lasers are amazing killing machines. s10 ap1 blast is hard to beat.
4) sicarians are meh, I have only used the infiltrators with taser goads( for extra wounds). sometimes they earn their points sometimes they all die before getting in cc.
5) Melee dragoons are very good if they can survive long enough to get up the board. ironstriders and shooty dragoons are meh. you can run the formation with only 3 units, yes.

>>52268843
If your big on infantry, go whole hog and grab the emp's shield company. Run it with the psykana division auxilery and give each infantry squad heavy weapons.

Pow! Now you got a crapton of infantry and with orders and psykers you get rerolls to hit AND monster hunter or ignores cover. Also move through cover and marching drill.

I've got a question for you guys;
If you could change/add anything to the rules (aside from balance changes, I'm talking actual gameplay changes), what would you change/add?
Feel free to make a whole list of changes if you feel so inclined.

>>52272335

Remove AP values.
Replace with save modifiers.

>>52272335
>Hello GW
Switch from IGOUGO to initiative action.

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>>52265550
What do we think?

Also, where do DA sit on the power ranking?

>>52272335
1) Units add their initiative to their charge distance, but this won't exceed 12" unless they have some other bonus. Mainly makes it so charges are more reliable. This benefit is removed for a disordered charge.
2)All units can charge from reserves, but count as making a disordered charge.

>>52265631
>I3

>>52267088
What type of camp? Jungle? Arctic? Urban?

>>52272335
Run and charge, make run distance D3+3.

>>52271940
I start with black before layering over the other colors.

I'll give you skin tips though. Start with a mid-tone grey, wash purple and dry brush with a lighter grey, finish by painting the nose tip, cheeks and brow with spots of white.

>>52272377
Well, you've got Gravspam down. DA are in the same vein as vanilla marines where optimized spam gives you a strong army

>>52272377
Basic Dangels are good when using dual Lions Blade for the free Razorbacks. Ravenwing and Deathwing complement each other well and pure Ravenwing isn't too bad.

>>52272377
>this much grav spam at 1000pts
Kill yourself.

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>>52271941
pls halp

>>52272494
The future is now, old man.

>>52271062
Any advice?

>>52271901
>Ask for 1500 points, marines vs marines
>show up with Minotaurs w/ Asterion and Gravspam out the ass and Skyhammer
>It's even quite fluffy for your army

>>52272335
Remove AP, either do fantasy save reduction or AoS save modifiers. I'd do reduction for armour and modifiers for invulns.
Fix flyers. Why the fuck do they keep making them more and more complex. Literally nobody in my meta uses flyers because we can't be bothered with the rules.
Movement stat. It just makes sense, and adds more depth and flavor to the factions.

I'd like to build a list with a "death star" esque unit of lysander and some SS/TH or cataphractii terminators. Is this viable at 1500 points?

>>52272608
I'd be happy with a "25% rule" You can't bring a unit that is the 25% cost of the list

It would prevent some of the spam, but not remove it entirely. I know within seconds someone will find a way to brake this idea. Instead of actually trying to expand or fix it.

>>52268533

Deimos Pattern is just so fucking sexy

Flying dreadnought when?

Bumping in the extreme case anon is no longer browsing page 10
>>52271051
>>52271327
>>52272312
>>52272331

>>52272494
It's fine, he'll learn not to minmax like a faggot when a Daemons or GSC army slaps his shit in because all of his shooting hits them like wet paper.

>>52272335
Vastly simplify the whole mess.
More specifically, axe AP, axe vehicle stats and axe invulns, cover and FnP. Replace with save modifiers, creature stats and one unified save instead.

>>52271309
I'm still so salty about the fact I finally migrated over to 40k in the last year, and made converted squat marines and guard, only for gw to then essentially release actual squats. So much greenstuff, and for what?

>>52272755
>So much greenstuff, and for what?
one-of-a-kind models and lots of sculpting practice

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Anyone here have a Glaive tank? Looking at main weapons to count as the railguns for my Mechanicum Manta, and I found that Chinaman sells just the Glaive turret, which works well. Does the turret come as one large part, or are the gun and/or capacitors separate? Would like to not have to hack the Volkite Carronades free from the dome turret, would be nice to use it as part of a bunker or something.

Finding suitable long-barrelled burst cannon parts is proving a little tricky. Either going to use Necron Gauss blasters since they look cool or 32 heavy bolters, which would be a pain to get my hands on. Are Tau, Cron or Marine players likely to have any of those spare?

>>52272711
>2017 not using the catalogue

What is this retarded page 10 shit?

>>52271309
>I would consider collecting them if the local community wasn't so autistic about shooting rules. They get super butthurt about everything related to it, "NO SHOOTING IN TO MELEE, NO SHOOTING IF IN MELEE, NO SHOOTING OVER YOUR OWN TROOPS AND I DONT CARE WHAT THE RULES SAY IT'S MY WAY OR NOTHING AT ALL"
So... playing with common sense the way every single edition of 40k and Fantasy did it is autism, because the GW writers half-assed a 4 page core rule set for the new dumbed down franchise?

>>52272681
Biggest thing I can see is that it wouldn't prevent taking a Riptide wing in a 1000 point game, but that's more of a problem with Riptides.

Really, the only way to fix that though is to dial back the giant unit spam as a whole. There's no reason for armies consisting almost entirely only of Riptides or knights to be possible under the rules.

>>52272755
Your own precious children.

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I'm cleaning out my loft /tg/ and I'm absolutely overwhelmed. There are multiple unopened battleforces and tanks; I had 3 jobs in college and I think i've realised where I spent all the money... Britfags keep an eye on eBay in the next few days for loads of guard goodness.

>>52272513
Cool pic

>>52272787
To be fair, TLOS would let the flying dwarf shoot over units unimpeded.

>>52272821
So establish this houserule with the group before the games at the same time you're discussing the shooting restriction house rules.

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>>52270329
>>52271901
Quit making shit up

Matt is nowhere near being WAAC and fields fluffy armies and does not cheat under any circumstance. He simply outplays his opponents who happen to be garbage.
Hell he plays nids the apparent "worst army" according to you lot.

Feel free to post a video of Matt cheating or going full WAAC because I bet you can't.

>>52272849
>Hell he plays nids the apparent "worst army" according to you lot.
They're not the worst but they're in the bottom 25%.

So what's going on in the lore at the moment? I haven't played in over a decade but I still pop into the threads every now and then out of nostalgia. Anything new since Girlyman? I'm interested in all factions so it doesn't need to be something about the Imperium.

>>52272870
grem derkness

>>52272755
>And for what
Good looking units?

Have you seen the new notDwarf line? That balloon guy is borderline terrible and he's the best of the lot. The only good thing I've heard about them is that people want to use their masks for other projects.

>>52272849
>this level of damage control
Nigga I don't even watch your fagass channel and I can tell you're talking out of your ass. Accept that people aren't perfect.

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>>52272764
>>52272793
Fair points.
If I don't run a list with a midget Hulk Hogan, who will, I guess. It's like an obligation now.

>>52272905
dude that's sick

>>52272681
Adding on to >>52272788 I think there's an easy solution.

First is to increase the cost of Riptides. Extra 20 points baseline and an extra 20 on the Ion accelerator. That puts a Riptide with Ion and atoms above the cutoff, so one will be easier to manage in a smaller game like that.

The second thing is to classify some units as a 'relic' type. This won't be only ancient things, but rather anything rare enough(and powerful enough) to justify limiting it. For every 1000 points, you could have one such relic model/unit. For Tau, this would apply to all of their larger battlesuits, meaning you get 2 Riptides at 2000 points max.

Potentially, there could be an HQ or unit for each army that allowed you an extra one in larger point games. Say, an Ethereal for Tau to get that third Riptide at 2000.

That would solve a lot of the massive model spam you see.

>>52272879
I'm glad that hasn't changed.

>>52272847
It's not a houserule, TLOS is in the BRB. If his eyes are up there, he can shoot unimpeded, he's shooting over a unit not through it.

>>52272924
>everything needs to cost more and we should have some units be 0-1 unless you build in a specific way
So what you're saying is we should just go back to 3rd edition. I'm on board with this.

>>52272905
That guy at the back is an imposter! No way his beard is that massive. Does the Hulkster know? Great Hogan though m8.

>>52272924
So glorious 3rd edition.

It is sad that we always end looking at things from 3rd that wasn't even a good thing but compared to newer edition 3rd is a marvel of good rules and reason.

What are some appropriate camo schemes for Armageddon?

I want to do some Blood Axes based on Armageddon fighting Steel Legion.

>>52272956
Actually he's the one guardsman left at normal height because I thought it'd be funny to have one human raised by squats. Also why he has the biggest beard--he's overcompensating to make up for his freakish height.

>>52272932
AoS has a BRB?

How do you properly use sternguard vets? I've heard some say to deck them in heavy or special weapons and drop them on enemies.

Others say to abuse their special ammo. I play IF, what would be the best use for them?

>>52273010
Aww, now I'm rooting for the poor lofty. Good job anon!

>>52271826
Hooolllyyyy shiiit. 3 units of sisters with rhinos = all those 6 units have 27" auro of "fuck psykers". Holy fuck. First turn and you could cover the whole board with the auras. Tzeentch Daemons would only generate d6 warp charges and harness on 6+. Go fuck yourself Magnus.

>>52272952
Pretty much. I would also say there should be a restriction on upgrades for certain ways to make models troops. For example, Eldar Windriders as they are should really be Elites or Fast attack and have a smaller max squad size, and then could be taken at the current max by having a jetbike warlord, but with no special weapons.

A similar thing would apply to crisis suit troops. Have the elites be the small teams that can get a bunch of special weapons, and have the troop versions get more numbers, but be stuck with the weaker guns.

I'm totally fine with FoC slot changing being a thing for fluff reasons, but there should be limits in place so that the units behave more like troops and make you want the standard versions in the same list, rather tha, just being an easy way to spam special weapons.

A white scars army is fine having bike blobs with bolters as its troops. Save the grav for fast attack.

>>52273027
Buy them combi-weapons for the best of both worlds. I find meltas cover their normal shooting's only weaknesses the best but grav is sho cheesy that if you can get a moment to set up for a full salvo you will do just as well with it against the intended targets (vehicles and TEQ).

>>52273037
>yfw this barebones costs like 340 points
>yfw that's less than a Knight
>yfw you can drop your LoW to utterly invalidate summoning cheese

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>>52273008
Purple (facepaint) of course. Ever seen a purple Ork? No? See, that's why.

>>52273037
>>52273074
Problem is the units in this army are all vanilla Rhinos and T3 3+ girls. Turn 1 you'll lose half of them to shooting.

>>52273074
Not only summoning cheese, but that Tzeentch army probably won't even be able to shoot you, since they use psychic powers for most of that as well.

Park it in the middle of the board and just pick off daemons at your leisure

>>52273074
Wait what.
3 Rhinos with 15 girls? I'm having flash backs of the Kroots conga line of no reserves against White Scars.

>>52273037
>>52273074
This kills the Magnus