/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

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First for the eternal GOAT.

That's a nice OP image.

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>>9995668
When I found that piece of artwork I actually thought that it was an official PKD cover art but it's actually not. It's fanart by this person. They also did fanart of the Three Body Problem pic related.

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I wish they'd do another fanart of Palmer Eldritch now that they've made it, but books getting any kind of fanart is already pretty rare. Not to mention the fact that nowadays most books just get a photo manipulation for the cover - which again reduces the art that a book would have gotten to basically nothing.

I suppose being able to draw one's favourite characters is part of the motivation for gitting gud /ic/ wise.

>>9995693
Photo manipulation is the cancer killing genre-fiction. I'd be able to stomach the shit writing if we at least got nice pictures out of it. If I were to ever get into /ic/ it'd be to make nice accompaniment pictures to books I like which don't have many/any.

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>>9995705
I think that it's a combination of the following:
>Very few artists have the calibre required to draw at that level
I'm a mid-above average artist myself and I have been drawing since I was six years old, scarcely skipped a week but my art quality would be immediately inferior compared to the ones that can draw with a godly skill. It can take hours to render something that looks realistic (something upwards of twenty hours probably). The Whelan kind of artists spends their entire existence drawing nothing except millions of human bodies, I'd only be able to draw at that calibre if I was to directly draw a copy someone else's artwork, whereas someone who wants to get consistently good must copy millions of other people's works before being able to make something amazing mostly from imagination.
>Most of the good artists get snapped up by the entertainment industry
I think they get siphoned off to the well paying areas - like video games and other forms of concept art, I think. /v/ and /tv/ would steal most of the good ones.
>Most book authors are pretty poor
I don't think that books sell as well as they used to and to improve profit margins publishers can use quickly photoshopped images that would take 10-20 minutes to put together from stock images compared to the 2-20+ years it takes an artist, depending on how shit they are, to get good. I think that most goo artists would be able to make very good photoshopped images too, but the entry barrier is lower and it looks "modern".
>Western art schools aren't teaching the fundamentals as well as they used to
You commonly see this complaint on /ic/ where artists will rant that western art schools are directionless/lazy/only teach modern art whereas places like russia teach more traditionally. Modern art is touted as being like pic related.

There's a huge trend towards minimalism in not only /lit/ cover art but also art itself.

>>9995750
*good

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>>9995693
This image *is* photo manipulation though. I can tell from the pixels. Admittedly it's good photo manipulation and done with an artistic eye, but this is just a collage with the colour/contrast values changed and creative use of photoshop filters.

>>9995762
It's most likely a highly referenced painting (because I think that the artist is a bit prone to samefacing - ironic given the book - and the lips are rendered similarly). Then they probably slapped a few PS filters on top, something like cutout unless the image was drawn flat (you can set SAI layers to wet edges to get a definitive outline like that). Downloading a paper texture off google and adding that in a blend mode is pretty common practice so that is not painted.

>>9995785
The whole thing's littered with cut-out and find edges. It's still good though.

I've commissioned a fine artist friend to create a cover for my novel, so I'll have some options if it ever comes to publication and they're open to that.

>>9995805
I was watching one of yuumei's art process vids recently and they painted something in a regular manner and then ran photoshop filters all over it. I think that artists do it a lot more when they want to draw something nice but don't want to spend ages rendering it.

>>9995812
That makes sense, turning a rough rendering into something that looks like it's hiding a lot of detail.

This thread has gone to shit already too.

>>9995857
>>9995744

>>9995668
I prefer the wizard knight

>>9995668
>Read Shadow late last year
>Thought it was just ok with good prose

Am I too stupid for Wolf or something? Guess I'll read it again before going to Claw.

>>9995705
>Photo manipulation is the cancer killing genre-fiction.
It's the cancer killing movie posters too. I mean, the only poster I've liked this year was Kong's.

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What are you reading right now, /sffg/?

>>9996204
The King of Elfland's Daughter and The Stars My Destination. Really enjoying both.

>>9996204
Some shit

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>>9995705
>Photo manipulation is the cancer killing genre-fiction
How would you feel if this was the cover for a "Greatest SFF of the Age Collection, and other stories"?

>>9996204
Is that the matrix?

>Mark had never heard of Freyr or Freya and was not sufficiently sophisticated to grasp the idea of a statue’s changing identities. “Well, which is it really,” he asked impatiently, “Mary or Freya?”
>“The charcoal burners call it The Unwed One,” Wat said, “and I suppose that could be either. What makes you so certain the two are different? Perhaps both the names, all the names, are for the same thing—Freya yesterday, Mary today, something else after we’re gone.”
What did Wolfe mean by this?

>everyone is either at work, at school, or deep in some pussy
>tfw I'm home, a virgin, and reading fantasy novels
Please release me from this existence.

>>9996474
>Freya
Is a Norse Goddess of fertility

>Mary
Is the Catholic demigod of fertility, rebirth, and everlasting life (by means of her son)

>>9996496
Eh all three are very unemphisised and the comparison between the two is pretty far fetched.

>>9996496
I meant is he some kind of crypto-monistic-syncretist. The next line is the kid saying it either is Mary or it isn't, but I can't tell where Wolfe's view might actually lie. I got a similar feeling in Soldier of the Mist where Pausanias and Latro talked about a god who was so powerful his servants themselves were gods.

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I was recently memed into reading The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss. After reading a few chapters, I know only one thing: I want to rape Kvothe. I don't mean that in a metaphorical sense of besting him. I mean I literally want to sexually assault him. Every night I lie awake, imagining Kvothe's screams as I enter his tight pink virginal cunt and shove him back and forth like the world's most expensive fleshlight. He would piss himself from the mind-breaking terror of someone not being bewitched by his godlike intellect and skill, and I would rub his nose in the puddle of piss as if he were a disobedient dog. I would abuse every one of his holes until my balls were completely drained, and then I would leave him twitching pathetically in a pool of cum, blood, piss and vomit. For one last torment to break his will completely and beyond all repair, I would smile and tell him that Tolkien sends his regards.

>>9996512
he literally gets raped tho

>>9996516
Does he? Well he was clearly not raped hard enough.

>>9996512
Hot.

>>9996512
I want to watch this. But the twist is that kvothes boipucci is indeed so magnificent and talented that anon too succumbs to kvothes genius.

>>9996474
Wolfe is very interested in the idea of symbols changing, meaning the same things, meaning different things to different people, etc. You could say that his work is often driving at Mysticism (is that the word? I'm referring to the idea of all spirituality driving at the one idea interpreted in a bunch of different ways), but that would seem to contradict his Catholicism. But then maybe not, he seems to think a lot of odd shit and has probably thought this through to the point where it makes sense to him. He seems to sincerely believe in the superiority and ascendancy of the Catholic Church over all over faiths and beliefs but at the same time gives a weird amount of credit to the strangest stuff like Pagansim.

>>9996536
ahegao_face.jpeg

>>9996551
The pantheon in wizard knight is pretty cool

I want wild, screaming sci-fi or fantasy. Something with real feeling, but also sometimes a frenetic, violent, almost furious bent. I want to feel like I'm listening to Death Grips or Melt-Banana or something while I read.

Is J.G. Ballard's The Drowned World a good place to start?

>>9996175
It's great for things other than the prose.

>>9996512
>tight pink virginal cunt
Joke's on you. Someone loosened that up ages ago. Read the book entirely so you won't do things that he might actually enjoy.

The reason Kvothe has sex with so many women is to prove to himself that he isn't gay, and that he didn't like when his backdoor was violated. It fits. He chases after Deanna because he knows that she would never actually give him pussy. So he has that to occupy his mind instead of the alley way when he was younger. He also cloaks his being a faggot by being seen chasing pussy. They would laugh and say he is a sad thirsty wretch, not knowing that in reality he is a total faggot.

Kvothe couldn't hide anymore in the end. That helper he has working in his inn is his lover. Remember how he got so violent when someone threatened Kvothe? Only lovers do that. Remember the way he looks at Kvothe? How he isn't described as masculine at all?
You are all reading Rothfuss's gay closet novel.o

>>9996638
Being attracted to men doesn't automatically mean you like getting raped in alleys, dude. I'm attracted to women but if some chick I wasn't into decided she'd fuck me anyway, and slipped me a roofie and a viagra and rode me to hell and back, I would be pissed.

>>9996668
Wait no, you just posted a response to an element of a post without it being directly contextualized around a science fiction or fantasy novel, the "only literature on /lit/" autist is gonna get you!

>>9996551
Good points. Wolfe seems sincerely Catholic, but I also get the sense that he must hold some heterodox ideas. Has he ever talked directly (lol) about what Catholicism and religion mean to him?

>>9996668
Being attracted to men means you like to be topped. You want to be man handled. Remember Kvothe putting himself in more and more dangerous situations? It's because he wants to be dominated again. He found this with the Ninja Monks and Felurian. He has that bitch boy fairy around to dominate, so he can try and hide his true nature.

>>9996746
Never much. He only mentions he's very much practicing, aka mass and sacraments.

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>>9996746
This meme wasn't made just for show you know?

My hips hurt when I sleep. how do I fix this?

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>>9996638
Can you tell me where in the book he gets raped? I want to read that scene.

I wonder if Kvothe ever whores himself out to the patrons of his inn. Those are rough hardworking men, and I'm sure they would not pass up the opportunity to fill the pretty twink innkeeper's holes. Kvothe probably only truly feels alive and content when both his mouth and his hungry cunt are spread open by a fat greasy cock, and semen mixed with drool is running down his chin. I bet they cum on his little tits too and twist his nipples until he screams in pain and pleasure. All the while, Bast sits in the corner like a cuck and watches the defiling of his beloved Reshi, masturbating furiously with his own tears.

I bet he does it all for free.

>>9996910
Stop having them move on their own?

>>9996920
How the fuck do you know of bast and his nickname for kvothe, yet you don't know Kvothe was raped?

Does anyone know any fantasy with a heavy focus on feudal politics? Aside from Ice and Fire.

>>9996943
Arts of Dark and Light

>>9996920
He gets raped early in book one, by one of the other orphans in the city iirc

>>9996175

Maybe you haven't gone through enough life experiences yet?

>Can't stop picturing Achamian as Alex Jones dropping sick truth bombs about the Consult

>>9997006
God, I wish you'd said that before I read those books. That's fucking perfect.

>>9996940
Bast calls Kvothe that long before the rape happens. Literally in the first few chapters iirc. I read up to the part where Kvothe's parents died and the nickname was already there.

It sucks though. I don't want to read about helpless child Kvothe getting raped. I want to read about adult Kvothe getting raped and secretly enjoying it and wanting more.

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>>9997006
>>9997030
So can we go back in time and hire a competent editor for Bakker? TUC was such a complete shit show of a way to end the "main series"

>Judging eye was fucking pointless and never served a purpose after banishing the shade of Gin'Yursis
>Like 75 pages of literotica tier torture porn, a hundred pages of navel-gazing philosphy and 10 pages of interaction with the actual consult
>Sorweel reverts to full retard vengeance mode and dies pointlessly.
>Shauriatas, whose name is even spelled wrong, supposedly a literal immortal sorcerer god, gets killed off page
>Aurax and Aurang have about 10 lines between them
>Cunny dragon
>Kelmomas gets a pass time after time after time because "muh wife would get mad"

Honestly, kind of wish I hadn't read it.

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This looks like it could be decent. Anyone here read it? Is the prose okay? Do I need to have read the first two to understand what's happening?

Is Neuromancer worth reading/patrician?

Any other epic scale series with lots of intrigue besides ASOIAF?

Can be sci-fi or fantasy, but for some reason really not in the mood for science fantasy.

>>9996960
Has he released the second half of the second book yet?

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>>9996474
>The charcoal burners

>>9997498
Probably the Firefall series by Watts. Only 2 out of a planned 3 have been published but shouldn't be /too/ long to wait for the final one.

>>9996512
>You may violate his tight bp every night but long after you are gone I will still be here, making him laugh and giving him blue balls

>>9997473
It's pure aesthetic, if that's what you mean.

>>9997473
>worth
Yes

>patrician
No. The first 60-70 pages are some of the best SF you will ever read. The moment they leave Chiba the quality drops. The plot itself is hogwash tebehe. Don't bother with the sequels.

>>9997528
Nice dressing for a really mediocre plot.

>>9997512
?

Started reading Too Like The Lightning. On one hand I'm liking it but I'm also finding the "lifestyles of the rich and the famous/literal French nobility in the 25th century socialist utopia" stuff very tiring.

>>9997467
>SELF PUBLISHED: Subtitle Name, by GENRE HACK

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>It's going to a lyrical and heartfelt novella about a confused young woman running away from her small town to live alone in the woods and enjoy solitude

>I'll make her seduce and have sex with a reptile-like alien as well.

Never change, Silverberg.

>>9997580

"Coal-Burner" is American slang for something

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>>9997526
Hope you love the taste of my cum, cuck!

>>9997004
unironically this

>>9997795

Nnf, is Kvothe really supposed to look like that or is this just slashfic fanart

>>9997498
>science fantasy
Newbie here. Is this a real thing? If yes please provide examples.

>>9996512
Third book when?

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>>9997819
Of course he looks like that. Did you seriously expect the biggest Mary Sue of our time to look like anything other than a sexy little bitch?

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>>9997165
>google literotica
>"Hmmm how did I never hear of this"
>Go to awards forum
>"2016 Literotica Awards: Nonconsent"
>"""Nonconsent""""

>>9997831
I think ada palmer terra ignota and nk jemisin broken earth series are examples

>>9997855
>never heard of literotica
dude, you've been missing out

>>9997831

Many if not most of the books that are memed here are science fantasy desu. BotNS and Lord of Light spring to mind.

>>9997831
star wars

>>9997855
How the fuck is bottom right so much hotter than Dany herself?

>>9996175
Just making sure, but you realize you're not supposed to read them like you would most other books right? they're kinda puzzles, the narrators aren't truthful

>>9997004
Maybe.

>>9997892
Make sense, I was casually reading it in between lunch breaks. Guess I will reread it then.

>>9997911
I casually read them and enjoyed the series. It was entertaining. I didn't have to get all the Da Vinci Code references.

>>9995750
git gud

>>9996504
>Eh all three are very unemphisised and the comparison between the two is pretty far fetched.
Not for the Catholic idolaters

t. Nestorius

>>9996604
Don't know Ballard, but Zelazny's Creatures of Light and Darkness is insane.

>>9996551
>but that would seem to contradict his Catholicism.
Early Catholicism fucking loved syncretism

>>9997165
>Like 75 pages of literotica tier torture porn
>Bad
Then you are lost!

>>9997165
>>Shauriatas, whose name is even spelled wrong, supposedly a literal immortal sorcerer god, gets killed off page
He's living in the Dunyain that run the Consult now.

>>9996604
Ballard is not over the top crazy but DW is great.

>>9997006
>Chanv! They're putting Chanv in the water, Mimara!

>>9997165
I agree about the torture porn, the pacing, and Sorweel but I think a lot of this other stuff will make sense retroactively.

Great Ordeal and Unholy Consult should never be split.

>>9997165
>>Kelmomas gets a pass time after time after time because "muh wife would get mad"

>Kellhus gets a pass from Moenghus time after time because "muh son wouldn't go mad"
It's like pottery. Poor Maithanet got screwed coming and going

>>9998044
Not exactly. They had a very noticable disdain for all things pagan, but on the other hand not for Plato and Aristotle, they were often put on pair with the old testament prophets, but instead for the jews, for the pagans.

>>9997877
>How the fuck is bottom right so much hotter than Dany herself?
I dunno but I hope this actor has kids ASAP so I can one day fap to his hot daughters

>>9998065
It depends on if they were focused on regulating the current church or converting heathens.

>>9996466
Nah, it's The Shockwave Rider. I guess the artist took some inspiration from the Matrix for the aesthetics of the cover, but it's not like it's an inaccurate portrayal of Nickie Haflinger's predicament in the book.

>>9997165
>literotica
lol what a normie
fictionmania is where it's at

Are we just gonna pretend that the most important GET in /lit/'s history is less than an hour away?

Don't furget pls

Did you guys see this thread? They shit talking us and calling us manchildren. >>9996129

>>9998091
>fictionmania
yeah if you want maudlin stories about snowflake trannies oppressive parents' or wish fulfillment about a snowflake trannies imaginary best friends, sure. That place hasn't been for porn in ages. At least, not the kind you can fap to.

>>9998111
We don't concern ourselves with outer/lit/

>>9998115
>other search
>search by sex rating
>XXX (or X if you want a bit more of a story)

>>9998143
then it's just terribly written generic porn with the genders flipped. Most of these pervs can't right and think "the huge cock slipped inside him/her quite cockily" is what makes erotica erotic.

>>9998166
>tfw you make a post complaining about bad writing and use "right" instead of "write"
I hate the english language so much

>>9998067
>tfw his daughters won't actually have white hair

>>9997877
Because you have a thing for plastic surgery slappers.

>>9997836
Who's book will come out first? Fat fuck Martin or fat fuck rothfuss?

>>9998211
Rothfuss is younger and not as fat, but his perfectionism might be his undoing. Tough call. Absolutely no way GRRM finishes the series though.

>>9998211
*Whose

>>9998211
Fat fuck Rothfuss will have a full-on meltdown and withhold his book forever. Fat fuck Martin will die of fatness. So neither.

>>9998187
what is bleach

>>9997877
Serious answer: It was assembled by a heavily tweaked series of computer algorithms averaging millions of female faces together. Due to a sexual selection phenomenon in ethology called koinophilia (literally, love of the common), the more averaged together a set of features is the more attractive we perceive it to be.

>>9998217
It's Friday, I've been drinking

>>9998211
Fat fuck Sanderson.

>>9998211
*whomst'vest

pitch me your novel ideas. I'm, uhm, interested in hearing about them

>>9998051
>tfw Bakker was the chosen one
>tfw he was supposed to restore balance to genre fiction, not leave it in GRI

>>9998283
Fascinating stuff. Thank you for actually making an informative post on /lit/.

>>9998341
I'm writing a post-apocalyptic fantasy story where human society has reverted to a medieval level of advancement and social structure, but at the same time there are remnants of highly advanced technology as well as several distinct sapient races created by genetic modification. Most of the story focuses on political relations between the different races. The story is also a kind of Gnostic allegory with characters who represent Sophia, the Demiurge, Christ, etc.

Throughout the story I also have fun by making fun of popular fantasy writers. I make fun of GRRM in one scene, in another I make fun of Patrick Rothfuss with my red-haired protagonist failing horribly at playing a lute and having girls laugh at him.

>>9998384
that sounds like complete shit anon, but I'm sure that it'll catch on among contrarian assholes who only read books that no one else reads. but I say go for it

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>>9998401
Thanks for the vote of confidence, anon. That is quite a huge market you're talking about there.

I call it Terry Goodkind's A Wheel of Ice and New Suns

>>9998341
Humans are shit and deserve to die.

Tfw brain too brainlet to keep track during wolfe books

>>9998222

prophetic digits confirm, no overweight author anywhere will finish anything ever

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>>9998384
>I'm writing a post-apocalyptic fantasy story where human society has reverted to a medieval level of advancement and social structure, but at the same time there are remnants of highly advanced technology
Okay then...

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>>9998600
It's not like it's a unique idea

>>9998384
I'm writing a post-apocalyptic fantasy story where humanity has reverted to a 1990s level of advancement and social structure, or the outside world might have more but the Aleutian Island-style oil platform society is terrified of foreigners and also the slow-thinking nanotech computer that coats all land surfaces kills foreigners on sight. They're still getting infiltrated, somehow, by a Norn-worshiping cult that can fix your future in place if you turn from proper nanotech computer worship. Featuring modem-based brain-hacking and a tribe of parthenogenesis-reproducing warrior clone women.

>>9998541

Tfw someobody spoilers le autistarch when I'm halfway through SotT

>>9998624
>implying any mortal can truly spoil BotNS

If I want to read Malazan or WoT, until which book should I read to get a good impression of the series?

>>9998623

I'm writing a post-apocalyptic fantasy story where my greatest hope and aspiration is to see a reviewer use the phrase "a semen-soaked spaghetti western" to describe it

>>9998612
Why is there a ninja turtle in that poster??

I'm writing a fantasy novel with multiple monster girl waifus. One of them is even a trap. The idea seems to appeal people who watch anime, why not sell it to them in the form of literature? I think I've hit a lucrative market here.

>>9998638
>I want to meme with the best of them
>but don't feel like putting in the work
>which books can I stop at my earliest convenience to give the notion that I actually read these series

>>9998670
I want to know if the series are for me. No point in reading a 10 book series if it's not for me, but the earlier books sometimes aren't a good measure for that, there's a good gauging point in most series.

>>9998659
It's an everliving superweapon

>>9998770
An everliving superweapon that is also a gay shota who wants to suck the protag's dick.

>>9998786
To be fair he also wants to suck the female leads dick

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RIP
https://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/

>having a look at books ive read on goodreads
>i rated shadow and claw 3 stars

what a little faggot i was

>>9998663
I know a guy that got a bunch of sales for a ten-page story because it was in the litRPG genre, throw in some menus and level-up dialogs and you're golden.

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>>9995657
Do I have to read The Riftwar Saga before
The Empire Trilogy?

https://www.goodreads.com/series/49642-riftwar-cycle

>>9998944
you don't have to but it will provide more context

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Yea or nay?
>inb4 womameme

>>9998211
lol martin isnt coming out with a book

>>9996511
Catholic symbolism is so powerful it coopts all other symbols forward and backward in time, making them "foreshadowings" or "echoes" of the absolute truth. These symbols are immutable and shape human destiny in all kinds of ways. See the memory palace in soldier of arete, where the winged lion, the bull, etc show up .... aure, mythical creatures ... symbolic of the gospel writers.

>>9999032
Jesus pls go

>>9999065
Tell that to wolfe son

>>9998677
The first four Malazan books, despite the inherent flaws in Erikson's writing, are good and can basically be read as their own story.

I reading Mistborn!

can you enjoy wolfe's books without fucking rereading them meticulously 3 or 4 times? I don't have the time or the will for that?
or is there at least some site with annotations that explain that shit?

>>9996512
I would watch this porn nohomo

>>9999097
His novels vary in complexity. I'm reading The Devil in A Forest and it's vary straightforward so far. Soldier in the Mist was mostly difficult due to timeskipping between chapters. Torturer was impenetrable when I tried it, but I'll come back around to it later.

There's WolfeWiki
http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=WolfeWiki.Contents

You can also google people asking questions on the Urth Mailing list, or you can ask directly on /r/genewolfe

>>9999097
Marc Aramini's work on Wolfe is pretty exhaustive, but he hasn't done that much on New Sun. He has youtube videos too.

>Then, as though stepping out of the blinding sun, the Cishaurim revealed themselves.
Oh shit, nigga.

>>9999181
Wtf? I love Shrial Knights now!

>>9998677
it sucks and not worth reading 10 books for

LMAO at "complexity." It's a fucking book, just read it, it's not like you've gotta become a character in a Dan Brown novel who has to solve 7 mystical puzzles created by a mad Arab demonologist in the year 1666 to find the secret Knights Templar documents to reveal the true meaning of the book.

>>9999323
You do though. Wolfe is almost a damn kabbalist

>>9999097

Of course you can, but now I WANT to do rereads of them all eventually, especially New Sun and Short Sun.

>>9999323

So to you its either not complex or so complex that you need a team of scientists to figure it out, nothing in between?

>>9999364
Recommended reading for understing him?

>>9999462

Read him yourself first, and then go hunting on the web for other opinions/insights if you are so inclined.

>>9996604
I didn't find it so, more a slow psychological pressure build, like On the Beach or Rogue Moon.

Try Naked Lunch.

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>>9995657
Should I read The Sword of Truth in chronological order?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_of_Truth

>>9997871

What's /lit/'s opinion of Lord of Light? I'm new around here, but BotNS is arguably the most impactful book I've ever read and my favorite.

>>9999506

jesus christ no

>>9999477
I'm halfway through Urth of the New Sun. Nigga's outright cryptical

>>9999507

Its a 10.

>>9999514

All right. I've added it to my to-buy list.

Is it true that dark eyes have bigger dicks?

>>9999570

One of my friends has the biggest dick I've ever seen and his eyes are blue.

>>9999575
Did you see it or did he tell you that? Can't trust lighteyes

>>9999069
Wolfe pls stop writing

>>9999583
About to finish the first book, this universe is comfy as fug. Also I'm loving the spheres, feeds my glass fetish.

>>9999364
If you're a idiot maybe. I fucking repair tractors and didn't have any trouble reading his stuff.

We can't miss the GET guys, it's our chance

>>9999792
I don't care about GETs.

I am reading words of radiance and the shallan plot is triggering me hard. If this leads to a misunderstanding I will be mad

>autistic anon babbling about every modern novel having some sailing sequence
>thought he was stretching the facts
>dragon safari
>Sanderson
>thousand names
>scott lynch
>countless others
Seems he was right

>>9999918
Most fantasy stories involve travelling. Ships are one of the main ways to do that. It's like proclaiming most fantasy books have swords

>>9999920
It's not that. It's the technical knowledge on how to sail more than the act itself.
Modern novels with sailing goes into detail like moby dick.

>>9999792
I care I will try to claim in the name of /sffg/

/sffg/ wins

Tolkien is overrated.

>>9999959
Fuck yell niggas, the stirnerites will get it

>>9999852
If you're talking about the shit with Tyn I literally just finished that plot line today. It was the most useless and dumb and uncharacteristic filler chapters that could've been written. Thankfully it wasn't as long as I feared it would be and didn't end in some dumb misunderstanding or drag the character too another city/away from the main story type ending

Around elves watch yourselves

>>9999971
It's weird knowing there are people reading the same books at the same time in this general. It's like an unofficial bookclub. Multiple persons are reading the same book at once, they just don't know it.

>>9999971
Thank god. I might straight up have dropped the book if it ended in people mistaking shallan for a scammer.

>>10000065
It may still end up that way, Kaladin ignorantly thinks she's a Horneater and he WILL see her eventually again. I can just imagine the conflict and mistrust it may create. But she does have all of Jasnahs research thankfully. So who knows

>>10000018
Same reading pace as well it seems, I just got through where the other anon is catching up to apparently

>>9998967
>Realm Name
>The Two-Syllable Story

>>9999364

Is he literally a kabbalist or is this another meme

>>9998276
A shitty chinese cartoon

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So far this book resonates a lot with the Doctor Who fan in me. Insofar, it is shaping up to be an interesting Hindu-Buddhist version of Hard To Be A God.

I distinctly remember a few anons saying this book was shit but it is really easy to read and enjoyable.

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So what happened to the English release of Ball Lightning? I thought it was supposed to come out August 2017 but that release date came and went and no news, all the websites are giving a 2018 release date which is just ridiculous considering it was announced 2016.

Sell me on Simmons's Hyperion.

So where are the GETs?
>>9999999
>>10000000

Any recommendations on good fantasy/sci fi audiobooks? Old man's war was alright and im midway through the second book. I was thinking about trying To start book of the new sun but i was curious if any knew anything about the quality of the narration since it can make or break them

>>9995693
This dude also produced my favourite piece of Blindsight fanart, as ridiculous as it is

>>9999692
You dont even know what you are missing. He is subtle. Go read a short story like the changeling then i will explain it to you, and you will see how the story is in the spaces between and takes work. Or seven american nights. They are problems with solutions

>>10000245
He does encode plots and not provide exposition. People can read his stuff and not realize the main character is a sleeper spy or the clone of a tyrant or the main character's joirnal is finished by a machine etc

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>>10000523

>>10000368
it's like a more coherent and steady version of dude, with all the majestic mythical shit but in a much tighter narrative, with excellent worldbuilding, characters and an overarching plot between (what is essentially) a few short stories.

Fall of Hyperion gathers controversy but I felt it was an excellent conclusion to the narrative of the first book. Endymion duo are shit

>>10000536
>dude
Dune. what the fuck am I on today

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>>10000536
I love that artists art. It looks kinda like http://www.blindsight.space/

>>10000548
*artist's

>>10000529

the mega pseud

What writers aside from William Gibson have written "Cyberpunk"?

So I'm reading Neuromancer. Am I in for a treat?

I'm in a right state lads. I'm sad, annoyed, pissed off, bewildered and disappointed.
I've been writing a scifi book for the last year and a half and it was all coming along well and I was enjoying it. Then I started seeing people recommending blindsight and something about the plot and the reviews and what people were saying was really bugging me, so I bought a copy and read it through.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

It's my book. It's almost EXACTLY my book. The premise, the majority of the characters, a lot of the key plot points and underlying themes, hell even a lot of the specific technological and scientific references are lifted virtually word for word from my manuscript.
I have no fucking idea how this happened. I hadn't even heard of blindsight until maybe eight or nine months after I started writing my book, and I didn't read it until maybe a few week ago. I'm still reeling from this. Obviously if I publish then everyone is going to think that I just copied Watts. But I swear all of this was my original work. This is so fucked up I don't know what to do, please somebody give me some advice.

>>10000595
Read the two stories mentioned and we will see who a pseud is, limp cerebrumite

>>10000667

Write about that other idea you have.

>>10000667
>It carries a crew of five cutting-edge transhuman hyper-specialists of whom one is a genetically-reincarnated vampire
Did your story have this? Because that's fucking retarded.

>>10000513

Speaking of audiobooks, does anyone know where you can find an mp3 of Stephen King reading the first three Dark Tower books? They were on youtube a while back.

>>10000758
I don't have any other ideas. That was my one shot and it's gone now.

>>10000781
It had a crew of five cutting-edge transhuman hyper-specialists yes. I don't have vampires in my book but the leader of the crew is a tier above the rest like Sarasti was due to a high risk high reward modification that's mostly used on condemned men. Not exactly the same but close enough.

Is there an genre books with conservative characters dealing with a degenerate future or society? (i guess Brave New World would be an example).

>>10000809
Some of the 40k books deal with clamping down on degeneracy. It's been years since I read any of them but I think the ones focusing on Inquisitors would be right up your alley.

>>10000817

Im looking for a serious sci fi book that deals with the human side of a future scenario wherein people have lost something in the gain of technology.

>>10000817

>Some of the 40k books deal with clamping down on degeneracy

The empire of Man is degenerate. I never got why some people upheld it as something great when its a dying empire that is the antithesis of the emperors wishes

>>10000834
That sounds different from a book where conservative characters deal with a degenerate future/society.
If you want a book that deals with losing something in the gain of technology then I unironically recommend blindsight - humans have to modify themselves into only somewhat recognisable humans in order to compete with machines, AI and vampires.

As for conservative characters dealing with degeneracy, I'm afraid there's not much to pick from. Most scifi authors are liberal progressives themselves so what you're looking for is few and far between. Maybe Starship Troopers or A Canticle for Leibowitz.

>>10000849
I disagree, I think the Imperium is very non-degenerate and basically all the powers that be and the majority of citizens want to keep it that way. The problem is that Chaos exists and tries to stir shit up with things like slaanesh-worshipping blood orgies. The Inquisition and the Ecclesiasty are constantly trying to keep Chaos, and hence degeneracy, at bay.

>>10000862
>As for conservative characters dealing with degeneracy, I'm afraid there's not much to pick from

I love detective stories and was looking for a book wherein a outsider character traverses his way through the maze of a future society he abhors.

>>10000834
>>10000882
>I love detective stories and was looking for a book wherein a outsider character traverses his way through the maze of a future society he abhors.

I didn't think it was that well executed, but two of the stories in John C. Wright's Metachronopolis collection are like this. Not novel-length though, and pretty pulpy to boot.

>>10000600
>What writers aside from William Gibson have written "Cyberpunk"?
Try Walter Jon Williams "Hardwired" series. Pretty good. IIRC more action than Neuromancer. Btw WJW's "Dread Empire's Fall" is one of the best scifi series I know. It's almost military scifi though.

>>10000800
If you heard about it eight or nine months after you started writing chances are he started long before you. Your idea just wasn't as original as you thought.

>>10000834
"Where late the Sweet Birds sang" by Kate Wilhelm

>>10000800
>>10000667
Nothing is original in this world. Everything you thought of has been / is being thought of by someone. The trick is to get your shit out before the other guy. With self-publishing it might help, because you have proof that your work was out before the other guy.

Look at the Riyria books. It's basically the fag mouser and his companion for a modern audience. And the author never touched Lankhmar, nor any of the fagger and fag mouser books. Nothing new under the sun, just rehashes.

Any good fantasy/sci works that heavily involve anthropology/sociology? Real sick of completely different species being " X human culture but with a Y gimmick"

Shorter, relatively unique and on the harder end of the scale preferably.

>>10001069
Star Maker by Stapledon, describes quite a few very different species and their respective cultures. Off the top of my head the main character goes into detail about a humanoidish low-tech race of sparsely populated farmers, a race that ends up hooked into virtual reality for most of their lives, a species of sentient plants that migrate in huge herds across their planet and a symbiotic dual race of lobster and eels like creatures that join and live together connecting to each other biologically and telepathically (these symbiotes become a major player in the book's grand storyline)

>>9999506
Don't. I read about half of the series and I honestly regret it.

>>10000834

Paolo Bacigalupi's Pump Six is what you're after my man, lots of good stuff in there.

>>10001103
>>10001069
Seconding Star Maker.

>>10001103
>>10001160
Ty, looks good

>>10000667
You seem to be implying that derivative works don't sell. If only that were true.

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What are some good SFF books about one person or small group climbing the social ladder through tactical genius?

>>9999506
>>10001137
>reading any book by an author who has Terry in their name

>>10001171
read Last and First Men first, they are kind of prequel/sequel to each other

and LAFM has the same vibe, but with human evolution

>>10001236
Undying Mercenaries
Thousand names series
Not really tactical but they climbing that ladder.

>>10001255
Look I didn't know, now I do. The first book was ok, and the second one too, then this nagging feelnig kept creeping in until the evil communist empire happened and I noped the fuck out.

>>10001236
>What are some good SFF books about one person or small group climbing the social ladder through tactical genius?
Lady "Sula" in the "Dread Empire's Fall" series, by Walter Jon Williams. Or the Honor Harrington series by David Weber, although she develops a real bad Mary Sue syndrome in the later books. The first one (Basilisk Station) is generally regarded as the best in the series, it's about as good as military science fiction gets. Or the Miles Vorkosigan series by Lois McMaster-Bujold (although the protagonist starts pretty far up, the actual rise is more a hushed up secret thing in his other undercover identity). If you don't know the Vorkosigan series you are seriously missing something.

>>10001236

Traitor Son Cycle

>>10001277
If you were in this general for a period of time you would know this. Terrys are the worst.

>>10001324

I often like to finish series I'm invested with even if the quality drops. I noticed a drop of quality but then it got crazy, I think this is the only series of books I've ever dropped with no intent to ever finish it.

My only *saving* grace is I got them at the library so I never shelled money for any of his books. I enjoy OP protags once in awhile but the people in the sword of truth are ridiculous and annoying. It's only took bad it took me more then 1 novel to really notice it.

I did enjoy his world and some of the stuff in it, but the characters...not so much.

Can anyone recommend me a good sci-fi novel with sexbots?

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>>10001069
Speaker for the Dead
A Deepness in the Sky

The second one in particular goes absolutely wild with it. Even in a meta sense of how the alien side of the story is told to you as the reader, which you'll figure out eventually.

>>10000513
"The Ember War Saga" was the best narrated series I've listened to. The novels themselves are fast paced military space opera that despite being derivative are just plain enjoyable. And Luke Daniels, the narrator, is just incredible at altering his accent and inflection for each character.

>>10001420
>The second one in particular goes absolutely wild with it
No, it doesn't. The aliens are basically humans with ten legs who hibernate each time their sun dies, that's it. They are even named "Underhill" and "Unnerby", for Christ's sake. Absolutely nothing original about those "aliens". I have just finished the book and holy shit it dragged like few books I have ever read.

>>10001644
>The aliens are basically humans with ten legs who hibernate each time their sun dies, that's it
The whole point was that they're *not*, but are presented as such by the interpreters

>>10000548
I am incredibly excited for this. I wish I had skills that could contribute to the project, it seems like such a tight, efficient creation. Very eager to see what they can produce.

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What is a good name for a spaceship taking a small contingent of people to a relatively hopeless newly established colony, leaving from Mars and launching some time semi-near future like 2090-ish?

>>10002039
Greg

>>10002045
Wow, real top-tier my man

>>10002039
Fabula odiosis

>>10001370
Not a novel, but if you haven't watched Cherry 2000 with a cute young Melanie Griffith your life is incomplete

>>10002039
Discovery, a reference to Jamestown amd HAL 9000 in one!

>>10000800
>I don't have any other ideas.
Then your story would have been boring anyway. Apologize to your muse.

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>>10000862
>Most scifi authors are liberal progressives themselves
While this is what the liberal progressive scifi authors want you to think and what the liberal progressive scifi editors want to publish, this is not true.

>>10001069
Le Guin's Hainish stories. People recommend Left Hand of Darkness but it's dead boring, go for the original Hainish trilogy and short stories like Solitude.

>>10000667
Blindsight is potentially one of the finest hard scifi novels to be ever written, but it's also almost completely unknown. There's easily still a market for the same ideas

Anyway the only good thing about BS was the hard scifi and philosophy aspects, the plot wasn't especially original

>>10001420
Yeah that lurk/ambush style got me too. I can see how it made the book like the spiders but I wish he'd been more straightforward.

The human side, though, that was incredibly good.

>>10002039
What's the cultural/political background of the colonists?

>>10002227
The story behind trading company was especially fascinating. You should read "The Peddler's Apprentice", one of Vinges short stories, if you enjoyed that.

>>10002205
A lot of the pro-remain side are the older generation/ww2 service, and John Campellian SF writers. Vance, Sprague De Camp, Heinlein, Brackett/Hamilton, Poul Anderson.

From what I can see the opposers are generally slighly younger, the New Wave SF Generation - Silberberg, Malzberg, Ellison, PKD (he recalls a story where he flunked uni because he couldnt reassemble a rifle), Sam Delaney, Le Guin, Tom Disch...

It's interesting that Isaac Asimov was an opposer given most of his Campbellian era peers were not.

Frederik Pohl seems conspicuously absent from either list - I wouldn't want to stick my head out in such a fashion either.

>>10002236
Semi-religious movement of traditionalists who can't stand the culture of mankind declining as they see it. The ship is sort of stolen by the captain/leader of the group and used as a transport to take them to a failing colony that they believe they can breathe life into again.

>>10002263
I mean what cultural sphere are they from? What language(s) do they speak? what religion do they believe in?

>>10002275
Western - American, British and Italian. English as a first, Mandarin and Spanish as second and third languages (rarely used though). They're an offshoot of Christianity that has a strong ritual/rite basis but a fairly flexible theological one.

>>10001267
>>10001295
>>10001319
Thanks.

I see it's mostly military science fiction, a genre I'm not familiar with. Would you say the recommended books and authors are a good introduction or is there something more basic?

>>10002289
Well then, you obviously need something from the book of Exodus. Call the ship "The Staff of Moses/God" translated to latin perhaps, referencing how said staff parted the red sea the same way your ship will part the black sea of space.

>>10002039

Ave Maria

>>10002076
This.

>>10002357
Hmm, I quite like that 'parting the black sea of space' thing. Will definitely consider lad, much obliged.
>>10002366
Also good.

>>10002039
the ark of the covenant
apotheosis if you want a fancy-sounding word that has links to christianity

>>9997165
t. normie
Stay with Sanderson.

>>10002039
Name it "tunnel in the sky"

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>>9995657
Apparently David Weber wrote some swords-and-sorcery/D&D kind of fantasy, is it any...good?

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any dark fantasy stories similar to lovecraft but in a medieval setting? something not so much about politics or dialogue but more on lore and aesthetic.

>>10002511
Looks worse than I thought

>>10002583
Just say something like Dark Souls, no need to be roundabout.

Besides Ringworld #1 and Mote, what of Larry Niven is worth reading?

>>10002599
That's scifi with Dracula in space!

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>>10002583
Lovecraft's pal, Clark Ashton Smith, now with his own Penguin collection. His Averoigne stories are in a medieval France-like setting. There are also Hyperborean stories (pre-ice age civ) Zothique (dying earth) Poseidonis (remnants of Atlantis.) Also stuff on Mars, Saturn, and other worlds. CAS was an effortless exotic worldbuilder in the 10-20 page short story format, a fantasist where Lovecraft was a realist, but he could also imitate Lovecraft's first person stories in contemporary settings as well. I shill him at least once a thread in recent times.

>>10002583

Clark Ashton Smith was a friend and member of Lovecraft's weird fiction circle and wrote a couple of fantasy series. I have downloaded but not yet read them, but the samples of his prose and themes I've seen suggest his work will probably be along the lines your looking for. There's one dedicated CAS-head in these threads but I haven't seen him in a while, he could probably sell you better than I

>>10002692
>>10002697

Looks like I spoke too soon

>>10002692
>>10002697
>seconds apart
>Smith shills going all out today

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>>10002700
>>10002702
>>10002583
I refresh SFFG often. Robert Howard and Lovecraft couldn't write like this:

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The sand of the desert of Yondo is not as the sand of other deserts; for Yondo lies nearest of all to the world's rim; and strange winds, blowing from a pit no astronomer may hope to fathom, have sown its ruinous fields with the gray dust of corroding planets, the black ashes of extinguished suns. The dark, orblike mountains which rise from its wrinkled and pitted plain are not all its own, for some are fallen asteroids half-buried in that abysmal sand. Things have crept in from nether space, whose incursion is forbid by the gods of all proper and well-ordered lands; but there are no such gods in Yondo, where live the hoary genii of stars abolished and decrepit demons left homeless by the destruction of antiquated hells.

It was noon of a vernal day when I came forth from that interminable cactus-forest in which the Inquisitors of Ong had left me, and saw at my feet the gray beginnings of Yondo. I repeat, it was noon of a vernal day; but in that fantastic wood I had found no token or memory of a spring; and the swollen, fulvous, dying and half-rotten growths through which I had pushed my way, were like no other cacti, but bore shapes of abomination scarcely to be described. The very air was heavy with stagnant odors of decay; and leprous lichens mottled the black soil and russet vegetation with increasing frequency. Pale-green vipers lifted their heads from prostrate cactus-boles and watched me with eyes of bright ochre that had no lids or pupils. These things had disquieted me for hours past; and I did not like the monstrous fungi, with hueless stems and nodding heads of poisonous mauve, which grew from the sodden lips of fetid tarns; and the sinister ripples spreading and fading on the yellow water at my approach were not reassuring to one whose nerves were still taut from unmentionable tortures. Then, when even the blotched and sickly cacti became more sparse and stunted, and rills of ashen sand crept in among them, I began to suspect how great was the hatred my heresy had aroused in the priests of Ong and to guess the ultimate malignancy of their vengeance.

>>10002778
don't worry about >>10002702, he probably reads garbage like Bakker and has his boipussy pounded by black cock on the regular like his pseud hero would want.

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>>10002819
I've never read Bakker, so being here has given me a vivid idea of him which could be far from the truth. All I hear is a lot about cucking, rape, homosexuality, aliens, and philosophy, so I figure Bakker is the other side of a coin with Brandon Sanderson on it (the more wholesome writer.) I should Bakker before Xmas.

>>10002819

I really ought to just bite the bullet and read bakker already, but the prepubescent boy-rape on page 2 of book 1 was disappointingly tame so I dropped it desu senpai. Still meaning to go back to it though eventually

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Meow

>>10002669
>reading books reviews
>one or two stars comment are always about the portrait of sexual issues and women discrimination

looking to get back into some casual reading with some good old magic slinging. any good recommendations with magic that is actually well thought out?

>>10002629
believe it or notnot all of us have played that game

>>10002629
This is a good suggestion. I feel like it's the Dark Souls of suggestions.

>>10002974
Now you made me think. What is the Dark Souls equivalent of science fiction?

>>10002987
Book of the New Sun is what comes to mind. Especially if we're talking tendency to produce a circlejerk

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>unlikeable characters
>shitty world-building
>rehashed plot
Why did make a mistake of buying the whole series? I got into the fourth book when I gave up and never touched it again. Is there another urban fantasy that is worth it or is the genre just dead?

>>10003036
>urban fantasy that is worth it
The City & The City and King Rat by China Miéville

>>10002987

anything where the crew is trapped on a ship with the horrors

>>10003036

why did you think some ya trash would be good? I take it you've read the Dresden Files?

>>10003078
I'll look into it.
>>10003094
People kept recommending it and I just bought it without thinking. I've read Dresden Files, but I lost interest after a while.

Are there any bad Wolfe books?
I'm about 100 pages into The Knight and the only thing I liked was the Disiri transformation.

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Any good books by John Brunner I should read?

>>10003199
yeah, all of them

>>10003305
Well shit.

>>10003078
What about Kraken?

I know this comes dangerously close to blogposting, but I just finished season 4 of BoJack Horseman and I need some sci-fi or fantasy with a similar feel.

A fairly bleak, but not hopeless story about damaged fuckups, with funny moments and a lot of sadness, but also some real warmth.

The closest thing I've found is Lev Grossman's Magicians trilogy.

>>10003437
yeah mate, sorry you got memed into reading him. try Sanderson or Mark Lawrence.

I'm reading Lord Of The Rings for the first time, any suggestions for big ol' slabs of high fantasy?

>>10003199
I feel post 2000 Wolfe is a matter of re-reading for enjoyment. Even with this story, what you think is happening is not happening at all. Seriously sneaky. Wait for the slack of a tide, here's a string, plant a seed, chase a castle in the sky that doesn't dissipate ... i wont spoil until you are done.

>>10003477
You mean for after you finish LotR?

>>10003477
the chart in OP has some stuff.

>>10003490
Thanks anon. I'll go ahead and finish it.

>>10003490
What is it with Wolfe fans and this Pythian tone? I consistently see posts talking about the cryptic nature of his unreliable narrators and allusions like they're describing Finnegans Wake. I think the majority of us can understand the prose of a man who put a sword in his work called "Terminus Est".

>>10003454
Don't bother. Possibly his worst book.

>>10003508
That was the implication, my guy

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>>10003583
Agreed - it seemed like he was trying too hard to appeal to the Neil Gaiman crowd. Last Days of New Paris is nice, though, mixing urban with abcanny versions of history.

>>10002778
>Ong
Is that The Last Dance Bender movie?

>>10003560
How do i do spoilers on here? I will spoil the wizard knight. As this thread suggests, read a short story called The Changeling or Seven American Nights and i will explain what is actually verifiably going on ... and you won't have gotten it.

>>10003088
So hull zero three?

>>10003612
What is wrong with Wolfe's feet......

>>10003036
That book was an introduction to the greeks when you were small. It doesn't cope with adulthood. The second series has the author going PC shill, and putting faggets in his book. Fuck Rick Riordan.

>>10003656
If it's about the Loki descendant character, he actually turned into a woman and gave birth to a horse in the original Eddas, so Riordan toned it down if anything

>>10003631
I was referring to his novels but I'll bite because The Changeling was good; although I haven't read Seven American Nights.

I recognize the parallels being drawn to Peter Pan; between North/South Korea and their backing ideologies to the Great Schism (admittedly because I had prior knowledge of Wolfe's religious background and tendencies); I'm assuming that Pete's failure to adapt and his "father"'s inability to reconcile was also to draw comparison to Christianity's split and failure to do the same, and probably suggest that a similar phenomenon will occur with the then-contemporary ideological lines being drawn globally

That was what I got after thinking about it for a while at least, if you pulled something completely different from it I'll gladly swallow my pride for the insight.

Also you spoiler text by formatting it by framing your body of text with "" at the front and "" at the end, with no space between the brackets and the letters of first and last word, respectively.

>>10003722
Fuck, I don't know why it obliterated the text in those quotation marks. In the first it was "spoiler" in brackets and in the second, "/spoiler" also in brackets.

>>10003669
Not the norse series.
The second Percy Jackson series, with somebody else who was just like Percy.. only with a different name and sprite texture.
The second series they turned Nico into a fagget for Percy. The excuse was that the "angst", "hatred" and coldness that Nico showed to Percy wasn't because he thought his hero killed his sister... But because Nico wanted Percy to ruin his boipussy. I dropped the series and Rick on a whole after that. The series was dropping in quality but that took the cake.

You should read the groups they have about it on goodreads, little 10 and 12 year olds saying they glad that Rick represented "them" in these books, and that they always knew Nico was gay. And everything "adds up". When it was just the author changing something after the fact to give a "twesst", and score brownie points with the fag community.

>>10003729
The group if you wish to read some excerpts.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1526242-nico-you-know-what-i-m-talking-about-o-o

>>10003722
""The date of the korean invasion of the south would have made our narrator only 15 years old in 1949. He was already in the service then and moved in 1944 after being in the 4th grade (born 1934). The boy who doesnt age appeared when the sister was born in 1931 ... this is the missing three years. The narrator pete palmer and the changeling peter palmieri were swapped at birth and everyone forgot about the narrator, but his memories were fucked up by wrestling the boy when HE was in the 7th grade, why he wasnt in the picture. The real life actor pete palmer was born in 1931 and played lil abner, an "oaf" - the etymology of oaf means an elfin changeling. Wolfe was also born in 1931. The narrator is not in the class picture because he was in the 7th grade, but wrestling his changeling fucked it up. Two families. The church of the immaculate conception clues us in to look at maria's birth, not the boy's, as mary is the inmaculate conception, not jesus. Switched at birth, our narrator lost three years so he actually was 18 in the service instead of 15.""

>>10003726
Oh well ... spoilers above lol

>>10003722
The title is the changeling and it took people like 45 years to figure out it was about a changeling lol

>>10003560

NO SPOIL REEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU PYTHIA

>>10003751
>>10003763

>Looking so hard for allegory I didn't pay attention to the plot itself

Fuck, you got me there. Guess I'll have to go back to some of his other stuff now.

And that's my bad, I should have explained not to also put the quotation marks around it. They dick it up for some reason.

>>10000357
Ooh. As a Who fan, what do you mean?

>>10003778
Usually these mysteries are actually plot related and deal with minutia like dates, external referents, etc.

Go read A Cavern of Black Ice you faggots

>>10003854
>Womene
>Wikipedia summary doesn't wow me
>Fourth book doesn't even have "Ice" in the title

Idk are you trying to meme me again

>>10003854
>>telling people to read someone with a worse work ethic than GRRM
you're a villain
(I like it more than ASOIAF tho)
KILL SCARPE
KILL SCARPE
KILL SCARPE
KILL SCARPE

>>10003876
It's actually very good.
>>10003889
Apparently some personal shit happened that made her stop working for a long period of time. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends before ASOIAF.

>>10003916
>Apparently some personal shit happened that made her stop working for a long period of time.
that's OK then

>>10003823
Watching a person who is essentially one of the oldest characters behave a bit more modern but also being able to put on an act when the circumstance required it. He's also pro giving the technology to people as opposed to holding back the technological development and doesn't want to be worshipped as a god.

And goddamn it, I also feel like PKD is the author Steven Moffat must have ripped off the most, other than Lawrence Miles.

But speaking of Lawrence Miles if you have read Inteference which I know that not many people have, I thought it was entirely amusing at the end of The Three Stigmata when Palmer Eldritch shares with Barney his ambitions of becoming an entire planet and at the end of Inteference Lawrence Miles has I M Foreman become a planet but doesn't want to be called one. Which gives me a little suspicion about who I M Foreman was originally based on. Presumably Miles reads a lot of scifi since his shit actually resonates of great ideas.

And I am absolutely sure that Steven Moffat pinched Three Stigmata and Ubik for the Forest of the Dead and Silence in the Library mindtrips and whatever mindtrip of the week he was writing. It definitely induced my Doctor Who sides when Barney lugged around an AI psychiatric suitcase called Doctor Smile (Like was this pre-Doctor Moon?) and the spoopy "little girl" ok not a little girl exactly but the point still stands making the world.

PKD's way funnier than Moffat's stuff though, I laughed when the door charged Joe Chip (Ubik was much more pointed than shit like DW's Oxygen) and that bit where Bulero said shit like 'Take me to your leader,' Leo said. "An old joke; you wouldn't understand it. Went out a century ago." is stuff that could have come straight out of Who.

Who knows where many authors got their ideas. When I was little I used to love Garth Nix's Keys to the Kingdoms and the concept of the Improbable Stair, but weirdly enough I think that that particular idea must have come out of PKD too.

To get away from the long digression, a lot of the stuff by the Strugatsky's like Hard to Be A God and Prisoners of Power where absolutely up to the neck in a good Doctor Who-esque romp although some people compared it to Star Trek (I would not know as I don't watch Trek).

That being said I've watched, read and listened to so much Doctor Who that it is easy to say, oh this plot is variation X on Doctor Who.

>>10003926
I think Steven Moffat less ripped off, then was influenced, perhaps even subconsciously. People are quick to say "ripped off", but there's a person upthread who says that his original idea accidentally is extremely similar to Blindsight.

And someone who has read Interference! Haven't read that in a while. I. M. Foreman was spectacular. I'm branching out into reading other sci fi stuff besides Who novels now.


Have you ever been on /who/? I'm Gallifrey Immigrant.

How much can I make being a favorable front for a talented ghost writer?

>>10003939
I suppose it's not necessarily a rip off but PKD's stuff is definitely a similar kind of idea and in some ways a very superior kind of head trip that is definitely worth reading.

And yeah we chat on a fairly consistent basis although I dropped my trip (Nobody No-One) years ago when an archive died and it struck me that it wasn't that great a way of archiving my posts.

I've been branching out a lot myself since I mentioned Nine Billion Names, Aldiss, Flowers for Algernon, Roadside Picnic etc to you.

I've been trying to find a lot of DW like novels for a very long time and trying to figure out where authors like Moffat and Lawrence Miles got their ideas from. If they get good ideas from somewhere I want to know where they got it from so that I can read it. Or watch it. Or listen to it.

>>10003964
Oh shoot. Return to /who/! And using a trip really, really does help with archiving. Still writing fanfic?

I suspect they at least have similar interests, or styles. Maybe look for old interviews from them? I recently read Annihilation by Vandermeer, and that definitely had weird sci fi.

By the way, Shit Trips 2 was released. There's a book club happenning on /who/. http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Shit_Trips:_Vol._2 .

>>10003982
I usually write about one random fanfic for a random fandom to about 20 books I read when the inspiration strikes. I had a Shit Trips 2 entry that I kinda binned because I need to get a handle of 13's personality first before writing her or else it will be completely out of character.

The premise of Southern Reach is good but there are a few negative reviews I've seen on GR that make me a bit edgy about continuing. I'm currently reading Lord of Light. I'm going to save my PKD stash hopefully for another day, couldn't get into Ballard's stuff, found Lathe quite disappointing and so on. I just hope that after the current run of bad luck I'll find some more good books before the War Master and Gallifrey audios hit.

Stories where a normie has a great evil sealed within him and has to resist it? Doesn't have to be the hero, but can't be some top tier mage or warrior that's fairly matched with the great evil

>>10004020
You should have chatted with me about your story. Don't worry about "getting 13 right." I had a similar worry, but someone said just write the 13 you would want to see. What was your idea?

Are you on Discord

Read at least the first Southern Reach book. The second one is less liked, but I liked it, mostly due to the "WTF is going on?" reactions of the main character to all weird behaviour.

>>10004058
I'm not much of a discord person, I drop in like once a month to all the ones I'm part, I was part of N8's but then I think I dropped out or something. I only use discord once in a blue moon and usually to have an /ic/ conversation with someone

I love WTF is going on? reactions but I guess the primary concern is how well written the book is and what was the direct cause of the reaction. I think I'll give it another try after Light.

>>10004079
Have you ever met Scott Pilgrim Fan on N8's server? Friend Request him, please. Oh, and what was your story gonna be about.

The first book doesn't have WTF reactions; it's...different. If you like weird lit fiction, you'll probably like it.

>>10004098
Actually I don't think I have that one. Must have confused it for the Gallifrey one that was posted everywhere. I'll just pm you on ffshrine.

So I kinda want to get into King's works. Should I go with It or The Dark Tower first? And aside from that what all is worth checking out?

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>when the recreational drug of choice hits your brain just right and for a single moment you feel like you're free of dysphoria

>>10004114
I have to find my ffshrine login. Would you mesage me on archiveofourown? I'm Gallifrey_Immigrant on there

>>10004154
AO3 doesn't support messages but I'll randomly comment