/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

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Gene Wolfe will always be the GOAT /sffg/ author, no amount of shitty cover art can change this objective fact.

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Russian version of Seveneves.

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>>9981988
The Three-Body Problem

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>>9981995
The Traitor Baru Cormorant

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Reminder that Palmer Eldritch did nothing wrong.

>Mean Gene will die before finishing Latro's story

hurts, lads

>>9982103

hes only 86

>>9981918
Hull Zero Three.

>>9981995
>BADAA TREX TEA

>>9981918

Blindsight by Peter Watts

What do I do if I want to write my own novel?

>>9982366
Write your own novel

>>9981968
>idiot anon so desperate to make a new fucking thread before it even reached bump limit that he fucked up the new one

>>9981995
So three body problem is about 3 suns.... I never even read the books (nor will I) but the Russians gave away the plot. Look at seveneves pic, the moon is destroyed.

>>9982574
> Look at seveneves pic, the moon is destroyed.
The first sentence of the book is literally:
THE MOON BLEW UP WITHOUT WARNING AND FOR NO APPARENT reason. It was waxing, only one day short of full. The time was 05:03:12 UTC. Later it would be designated A+0.0.0, or simply Zero.

>>9982366
Create some characters, gice them motivations, create a setting, give it histoy.

Then write your story.

Fucking new thread/old thread shenanigans

>>9980912
one of my faves right now
tho the apt series did drag on, I'm not a big fan of series with 7+ books
when (if) you're done reading apt, check out the shadows of the fall series too (the tiger and the wolf)
or try the standalones

>>9981128
>I think it's kinda funny that the "insects have a shared mind" trope is still being used now, despite that idea getting debunked when people discovered how pheromones work.
tchaikovsky most probbaly knows that (I think he's an entomologist or something) but I'm guessing the racial telepathy thing worked better for him in the novel
I mean just imagine a race of people communicating through farts
actually that would be cool
but I understand why he didn't take that route

>>9981179
>They are not humans
Yes they are. They're humans with some bug-like modifications.

>>9982605
>new thread/old thread shenanigans
That's what 4chan-x's cross thread notifs are for.

>Filler
All of Sanderson, obviously

Captcha: Services Four
Bridge four as a unit is forced

>>9981968
>cash grub filler
>cash grub
wat

What do I read?

>>9982722
Books, dummy. What genre do you like?

>>9982731
I don't know

>>9982737
Best start with a Bible, you like bibles??

>>9982747
>starting with the bible
Start with the Greeks.

>>9981968
Ia Eugenio Loboe our John Carpenter?

>>9982750
Don't listen to this guy, he's trying to trick you. The Greeks didn't even exist bub. You want something real? Los Biblos all the way, Niño

>>9982758
Everything between Eugene Loupee and Girugamesh is garbage tebehe.

>>9982761
Well, you've convinced me. I have never read the Bible. I have read Hyperion though, pretty good science fiction book. I would indeed recommend this book to >>9982722

>>9982722
Have you never read fiction before?

>>9982722
The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.

I feel like I'm never going to read a book as good as that one, the anon who shilled it to me while I was having my mind blown by Ubik had damn great taste.

>>9982710
Grubs used as cash, obviously. It's a very large grub, and the first step is to cut off the head and tail, essentially the ends of the body. Then you can pull out the various internal organs, the "filler" as it were, which creates a hollow cavity. You then cut the flesh left behind into many thick, circular slices and lay them out in the sun to dry. When they're finished, the slices are used as currency, similar to coins. The filler is usually sold at high rates to restaurants which advertise it as a delicacy, but I've never actually met anyone who liked it.

Guys, what are the odds I could upload translated light novels to amazon as my own work and get away with it?

Ditto for purchasing distribution rights of translated shit and selling other peoples work?

>>9982605
>tchaikovsky most probbaly knows that (I think he's an entomologist or something) but I'm guessing the racial telepathy thing worked better for him in the novel
A fucking entomologist opting for that instead of the far more interesting pitfalls of the real systems employed? Must be a terrible writer.

>>9982750
>>starting with the bible
>Start with the Greeks.

>the Bible
>not a Greek book

Are there literally any books where the main toon is a necromancer, apart from Sabriel?
And by that I mean they actually need to use it a lot

>>9982981
Johannes Cabal? I can't remember how muc he uses it though, he mostly gets by on his wits.

>>9982981
>main toon
???

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>>9982998
I'm not him but toon clearly stands for Teologically Onerous Ontological Nail

>>9982981
The Necroscope books, which I've never read, kind of have this.

Or just read Clark Ashton Smith's stories.

>>9982981
Clark Ashton Smith has some necromancer stuff. And there's always the Diablo novels.

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>>9981968
>>Which author iyho is the King/Queen of filler?
Jordan gets shat on a lot, but really he was a piker. John Norman just published the 34th Gor book last year and he's gonna keep riding that train into his fucking grave.

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I don't know how he did it, but he did. He mixed vampires with aliens and it worked out beautifully.

>>9983034
I think I've read one of these before, it was about a guy humiliating sex slaves in front of his generals.

Roadside Picnic, Metro 2033, the Witcher books.
Vidya got me into slav scifi and fantasy, anything else you'd recommend?

>>9983148
How would you rate them, out of curiosity.

>>9983148
Hard to Be a God, Strugatsky bros

Stanislaw Lem in general but I'd recommend starting with either The Cyberiad or Solaris

Night Watch

I can't decide what sf novel to read next. Yell at me any book and I'll read it.

>>9983160
I'd say I enjoyed Roadside Picnic the most but that might have something to do with the fact that I just watched the 1979 Stalker movie, then the Witcher and Metro 2033 last, haven't read any of the other Metro books.

>>9983161
Thanks, I'll check those out.

>>9983041
Gene Wolfe already did vampire alien things and managed to make them some of the most interesting and feel-inducing characters in his whole bibliography.
>tfw Krait
>tfw Jahlee
>tfw Fava
Real human beans on the inside

Gene Wolfe
Gene Wolfe
Gene Wolfe
Gene Wolfe? Gene Wolfe.

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I read Lord Valentine's Castle by Robert Silverberg (1981), the Locus Award winner for best fantasy novel. This is a long and leisurely paced novel about an usurped ruler of a very large kingdom on a remote planet. The protag finds himself in a provincial city with no memory of his true identity, and falls in with a troupe of traveling jugglers in order to make a living. As the novel progresses he travels the land, makes acquaintances, recovers his memories, and takes back the throne.

The story is cliched and predictable, but the novel is all about the setting. It's a travelogue with a lot of different cities, cultures, races, landscapes, geological features, plants and animals, all vividly described; full, also, of good-natured camaraderie, gentle romance, and reflections on identity, responsibility, and memories, rather than high drama and lurid violence. It seems to me this would be an ideal book to read in a prison, mental hospital, yacht, long flight, or other confined environment, because the worldbuilding is so fully realised and potentially immersive. I reiterate, however, that the story is unremarkable, but there are enough pleasant character moments to see it through - the grumpy and parsimonious troupe leader, an enigmatic wizard, and sword wielding giantess among others. Would I read the other books? Not in a hurry, and this seems a satisfying conclusion in itself. I rate it 3/5 and recommend it for those who want to read a gentle travelogue with a lot of different races.

Is Mistborn a complete story if I don't want to read past the regular fantasy setting, that is, the first trilogy? I'm not into urban fantasy.

>>9983263
GENE WOLFE

>>9983382
Yes. You don't have to read beyond the first trilogy.

>>9983227

REEEEEEEEEEEEE I JUST STARTED IN GREEN'S JUNGLES AND JUST MET FAVA!!!

>>9983349

>silverberg

Dropped. Last jewish author I read was Azimov, and I found his prose and characters stale as fuck.

>>9983041
>tfw read some short story about aliens invading earth and as a twist fucking Dracula out of nowhere summon counter attack and take over the universe with their space craft

>>9983409
and?

>>9983449

She has not been outed as an inhumi yet.

>>9983453
Oh, fuck. I forgot that was even hidden. It's clear soon enough.
>hi Incanto, here's my daughter, her friend with parents who are out of town who nobody has ever met and my mother who has been strangely ill ever since my daughter's friend arrived. I suspect that somebody in my house is up to no good, it's probably one of my maids or something lol.
Bravo Gene.

>>9983349
>>9983034
>>9981987

Why is it that most fantasy book covers look so god damn awful?

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>>9983495

Wrong.

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>>9983502
>>9983495

Also, that first pic was from the cover of a Patricia McKillip book, whose covers are always graced by Kinuko Craft.

>>9983034
>the mature nubile woman didn't resist her fucking

What are good novels with an underwater setting?

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>>9983430
>short story
It was a full novel. Why you lying?

>>9983190
The immortal series by Joy Nash

>>9983569
But he is a meme author.

>>9983568
>She came to him in a dream: her creamy skin delectably cool, silky raven hair smelling of the sea and ocean-blue eyes reflecting the depths of her passion. She was everything Kalen had been desperate to capture in his art--and in his bed. In reality, when Christine found his remote Scottish castle, it was to persuade the Immortal warrior to help repel the darkness spreading around the world. But Kalen had a vindictive Sidhe trying to steal his powers and a dark secret of his own to battle before he and Christine could give in to...THE AWAKENING

I bet she squirts all over the pages before she sends them off to her editor and he sniffs every one in the privacy of his home.

>>9983578
You did say anything. Also that isn't book one. I said "series". www.immortals-series.com/books/
I think I read up to book 6? This was 10+ years ago, but it will give you boners.

>>9983495
I guess it's the equivalent to the progressive rock covers

>>9983657
>You did say anything.
bro I'm not the guy you replied to, just someone making fun of a book that sounds like good beanflicking material

>>9983414
The two were acquainted, Silverberg even co-wrote some of his later Foundation books. His style is different, however: more expansive and fluid, with more psychology and character development. He can also write in several different styles and modes while Asimov is one dimensional. Of the clutch of prolific 60s-80s New Wave SF/Fantasy writers he is among the better. I definitely prefer his SF and I find it interesting that none of his books broke out into film and wider readership like Philip K Dick.

>>9983349
>Lord Valentine's Castle
from offering a flask of wine to fucking aliens.
What a ride the book is

Your novels are never going to get published.

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>>9983885

>>9983746
The blue alien was a curious addition given there were already so many secondary characters, and given what Silverberg does with the character <spoiler>which is very little</spoiler> Aliens visiting fantasy novel worlds is one of my favourite tropes.

The power structure of the book's world was interesting: a deified Queen of Dreams sending benevolent and loving dreams from her island complex, and a King sending nightmares and more punitive visions from another location - the prospect of receiving nightmares deterring a populous world from things like murder, but also checking the influence of each other. This as well as having a presidential-like Coronal, a younger and more vigorous public figure, with an older Pontifex running the state machinery and civil service from an underground labyrinth.

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>>9983885
That's a good thing

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>grimdark
Would you recommend this?

>>9981998
>banned for offending muslims/orthodox due to tribadists.

Any Sci Fi or fantasy books which have a detective element. I already know Garrett P.I.

k e k

>>9984148
Jack McDevitt does a lot of those. Especially the Alex Benedict/Chase Kolpath series.

>>9983885
>not enough stronk women of color and size and middle-age to make in the Torocracy
>not enough dull prose and gun autism to make it with the Castalians
>just in time to publish on the Amazon dot Com and make like five bucks
More than I would have to be honest.

>>9983885
>publish my books
>get no recognition for decades
>die
>suddenly my books are rediscovered and become a classical hit
This is the true fear

>>9984195
Gotta make sure you have a good agent.

>>9981968
>list books where authors wrote uneeded filler
stephen king every time
>king/queen
king
>last dropped series
the dark tower for now

>>9984220
>who is behind this post.png

>>9983565
I swear it's also a short story, I've not read that book. Possibly in one of them anthologies that GRRM edited.

>>9984414
Huh?

>>9983106
>Muh watering plants and so forth

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Hi /sffg/, I'm a /tg/ emigrate that wants to get into Conan, and I imagine you get folks like me a lot. My local library has two relevant collections, and I'm not sure which one would be better to pick up first.

One collects "Hour of the Dragon," "A Witch Shall Be Born," and "The Bloody Crown of Conan."

The other collects scattered stories, some of which I'm not sure are even Conan stories but are probably cool nonetheless: "The Servants of Bit-Yakin" (aka "Jewels of Gwahlur"), "Beyond the Black River," "The Black Stranger," "Man-Eaters of Zamboula" (aka "Shadows in Zamboula"), and "Red Nails."

My other option is that I can tap my university library and they'll request the 1,000 page doorstop "The Complete Chronicles of Conan" for me, but handbreakers like that are hard to read on the train, where I usually read.

Suggestions? I know that there isn't an important sense of chronology to Conan and that the stories are self-contained, so I'm not worried about continuity as I am about best entry point.

>>9984532

Coming from /tg/ you might like the first collection more. Iirc those stories are more about epic battles when conan was king of Aquilonia. The second collection is him as a roving adventurer, which you will probably also like. Red nails and Hour of the Dragon are both good. Not as sure about the others in the second collection, but I think they are all actual Howard stories and not pastiches.

>>9984532
Whichever contains The Tower Of The Elephant, Rogues In The House, Queen Of The Black Coast. IMO avoid the novella and novel length stories and stick to the 20-30 pagers, and avoid any posthumous stuff with Lin Carter and Decamp.

If you are from /tg/ and are into this era of fantasy writing then you ought to look at Clark Ashton Smith and his Hyperborea, Zothique, and Poseidonis stories.

>>9981968
Should we horror literature fans start making our own horror general threads? /hor/ or something. I think it's not ideal that we all essentially wait for someone to post a horror request thread and then dogpile, but I also worry that we might not have the numbers to keep a horror gen in the catalogue. I will say that we have at least one really solid horror thread a week.

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>>9984665
Somebody tried that iirc. If you want to be the /hor/ guy you'll probably attract attention after a while.

Would be nice to have detective fiction and thriller threads too, just so I can see what those folks are up to.

>mfw thrillerfags overwhelm DFWfags, memers, and pseuds
>mfw /lit/ becomes /dirk/ and old/lit/ is confined to a few generals
>mfw we're still where we always were
>mfw sweetest revenge

>>9984665

I personally wouldn't have a problem with sffhg, especially since many things that would end up in an /hor/ end up discussed here anyway (weird fiction for instance) but there are a lot of autists in here who would rather the thread be dead than people discuss things that they don't like, so I doubt it could get off the ground

A friend is just catching up on ASOIAF and she asked me for recommendations for another epic fantasy series. She doesn't mind GRI or grim shit (hell, she loves horror movies and Cormac McCarthy is her favorite author) but I think Bakker would be a bad choice because of the total lack of interesting female characters.

Any recommendations?

Preference given to something with a bit of depth and even "literary" quality to it, if there is anything.

>>9984594
>>9984600

Thanks for the advice! I think I'll start with the second collection; start with the wanderer and move onto the king. It'll also give me plenty of shorter stories to chew on before I hit the novella.

And I'll look for those other stories, too, hopefully in other collections.

>>9983349
I picked up two of Silverberg's novels, Downward to the Earth and Dying Inside, at a used book store a few months ago. Both were strongly character-focused. Dying Inside--about a burnt-out mindreader who's losing his gift--probably wouldn't even be considered SF if another author had written in.

Silverburg's interesting -- his writing is solid, he was extremely prolific (still writing a few years ago, although it looks like he retired for good), and he seems to have made the transition from Campbell to New Wave much more competently than did the more famous Heinlein.

Apparently Silverberg retired from writing in 1975 but then published Lord Valentine's Castle a few years later. I haven't read it but I wouldn't be surprised if his style changed somewhat; what little I've read of his biography usually treats the Majipoor books as a separate body of work from everything else he wrote.

>>9983414
Silverberg is actually a pretty Jewish writer too. The protagonist of Dying Inside is a self-aware neurotic-Jew stereotype and the book deals pretty plainly with middle-class Jewish anxiety and identity.

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>>9984665
lit is a slow board, so if you were single minded enough then a horror general could be cultivated into something with a small number of recurring posters with their own MS paint memes and unfathomable hatred of budding writers.

>>9984750
Why not just make this thread into /spec/ - speculative fiction general? That way horror can join us? Sometimes the line is blurry anyway.

I need sci-fi or fantasy with a theme of overcoming feelings of anxiety and insecurity, if it exists.

>>9984715
I really liked Lyonesse, and it might get her into Vance.

For something longer, try The Belgariad.

What are some books that will teach me to see and edit the source code of reality? preferably fantasy, but space opera/soft scifi is alright too.

>>9984748
He was burned out by his prolific 60-70s period, and by 1975 he was already wealthy from non-fiction writing and shrewd investing (contrast this with PKD's penury at this point)

Lord Valentine's Castle marked a new period of slower paced stories with a lot more fleshed out settings. I have problems with Lord Valentine's Castle, but he wrote a novel later on called At Winter's End which is an incredible story of a humanoid tribe emerging from a future ice age - this novel is obscure even in his own bibliography, but it makes LVC look like a practice piece because it accomplishes all of the world building, character and narrative skill in perfect proportion and pacing.

I rate Dying Inside and Downward To Earth very highly.

Fire upon the deep shows that earth was visited by aliens and we reversed engineered their technology. How can you explain the jump within a decade?
Any books where the author leaks info about area 51 but uses a scifi setting ro protect themselves? The cover ups over the decades with the black suits and the nsa/cia has to stop.

I just want a cute aaayyyyy gf that would let me probe her.

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I gotta say, this is a damn nice publishing series.

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>>9981998
Is that a man or woman? I'm so confused.

>>9982175
>he's 86
What no please. Does he have a chance to survive into telomere extention procedures??

>>9984869
How would it be possible to extend telomeres?

>>9984774
I like the sound of this

>>9984774
Make your own spec general then. I'm not lending my autism of keeping sffg afloat to your cause.

>>9984665
We told you fags already horror is a subgenre of sff. The title doesn't have to say horror for you to discuss it. Your semantic ways is what is killing you. Make /hg/ like an anon did, but he didn't have the autism needed to argue with himself and bump the general over a course of months until it was self sustaining (like I did). You want something? Put work into it. You can't cry that others aren't making things happen for you.

>>9984683
Aren't old people the only ones who read thrillers and detective fiction?

>>9984879
Science

>>9984835
that's an Ælf

>>9984798
literally only place i've seen that magic 2.0 series, which is trash

>>9984879
>>9984869
I mean, that will probably be the first approved human use of CRISPR, so expect it about in the 1950s provided civilization hasn't been nuked out of existence

>>9984925
>1950s
Hey anon, I don't get what you're trying to say. Is this some oinda conspiracy meme or do you just not use a calendar?

>>9984798
The Invisibles, by Grant Morrison (comic book series). The Illuminatus! Trilogy. Principia Discordia. The Ego and Its Own. American Gods. From there, check out the Hellblazer comics, Crowley's work (take it with a grain of salt).

>>9984910
Does it have a hole for me to put my penis inside?

>>9984798
Library at mount char
Seriously what can't this book do?

>>9984933
fuck, I meant 2050s. fucking christ

What authors are similar to Japanese stuff (anime, manga, video games)? I've read that Sanderson's books are pretty similar to battle shounen, but I'm interested in more serious themes too. I just want to ease myself into fantasy books starting with something familiar.

>>9984949
>it's the current year.jpg

>>9984715
Arts of Dark and Light

>>9984898
Why so hostile? Seems like the only one crying here is you.

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>>9984951
Pic's related trilogy. This was one of the most anime novels I ever read. It's literally anime in prose. It has all the tropes (dimension summoning, giant swords, training arcs, devil fruit users, power ups, talking companion that isn't really alive, etc.)

Hey guys, can you recommend me any fantasy books where Nazi Germany (or a Nazi Germany analogue) is the good guy and/or Jews (or a Jew analogue) are BTFO?

>>9984998
So edgy bro. Haha 4chan unite, hax the niggers xd

>>9984998
you're in luck anon, literally any book like that is fantasy

>>9985003
Fuck off JIDF your tricks won't work on me. Six million more!

>>9985027
Ebin. The novelty of shitting kikes will just never wear out!

on a scale of brilliant to retarded where does "character trying to analyze a magic potion with a shitty DIY spectrometer" fall

>>9985037
Shit

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>>9984963
>Why so hostile
Because you fags have been saying this for years and only one of you actually put in the work to make it happen. After they saw how much work it takes to get a general off the ground he dropped it. At least he tried I'm not lending my autism to your cause.

You horror fags in this general instead of making your own thread (too much work), or just discussing your books (like we said you could for over 2 years), you want to opt for subverting an existing stable recognizable figure for your own cause(like certain persons we know). You don't like it? Make your own. Stop trying to force something to favour you.
>>9233795 This is the horror general from a few months ago.

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>>9984998
(((Shingeki))) no Kyojin

>>9985041
great. glad to know. I'm still doing it though because its what the character would do

>>9985005
The Nazis were the good guys, and the Jews did get BTFO.
Or, are you denying both the Holodomor AND the Holocaust?

>>9985073
>good guys
>kill 6 million civillians for the circumstances of their birth and upbringing and a good 5 million more for other reasons

anon, how brainwashed are you?

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>>9984998
Now get out.

>>9985088
They killed six million racially and spiritually deformed parasites who were sucking the blood of the German nation.

>>9985124
they killed women and children anon. Men who ran their father's bookstores, women who bussed tables pay the rent, old women who doted on their grandchildren and fed ducks in the parks, little kids who wanted to be mechanics like their dads when they grew up.

You've literally never known a jewish person in your life, have you?

>>9985156
You realize 4chan nazism isn't from genuine anti semites right? Just newfags that still think breaking basic bitch taboos is the height of shock humor

>>9985170
tbf a few of them have actually tricked themselves into believing it. Meme magic is powerful.

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Not even halfway through and I've already started skimming. Took me at least 3 books before I started doing that with Malazan. Does this get better? The emo-ness from the characters is annoying as fuck.

>>9985170
>"It's just a joke bro!"

yeah, of course it is. Those rocks thrown through the windows of holocaust museums are hilarious. Charlottesville was prime comedy. The part where all those people were killed or permanently crippled by being run over intentionally with a car deserved a laugh track.

>>9985209
Yeah and those were totally by 4channers

>>9985207
Darkness that Comes Before is the slowest book by far and the "emoness" will fade when you move from Akka/Esmi stuff. There's ton of a set up and Bakker didn't handle it well. It's still fantasic on a re-read but damn, it's a rough book for the first half your first go-around.

If you still hate it when you switch more to Cnaiur/Conphas then you should give up. Otherwise, keep on going.

>>9985209
No one yet has been killed by a shitpost. Though yours are giving me cancer.

>>9985209
>Charlottesville was prime comedy. The part where all those people were killed or permanently crippled by being run over intentionally with a car deserved a laugh track.
The true tragedy of Charlottesville is that the protesters and counter protesters didn't just kill each other. Antifa and white nationalists getting maimed and killed is pretty funny tbqh

>>9985232
>tfw radical centrist

>>9985237
I'm not a centrist.

>implying all of political philosophy is on a line between communism and fascism

>>9985156
This post is so trite it could have come from the back of a cereal box. Have some self-respect.

>>9985209
Holocaust museums are scams, Charlottesville violence was started by antifa, not nazis, and idiots blocking the road getting rammed by cars is both funny and satisfying.

>>9985280
Any sff books as edgy as this post?

>>9985285
my diary

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>>9985285
I've got your back fampai

>>9985285
>tfw I'm literally an egoist and I don't agree with >>9985232 >>9985280

>>9985291
Is this the tight pussy series or is that his other one?

>>9985291
>the perfect killer has no friends, only targets

Now THAT is a sentence that belongs next to an mspaint Sonic OC.

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>>9985298

>>9985293
>being an egoist coward instead of an honest ancap

>>9985291
Has anybody here actually read these books? Maybe the point is that those things are true, and they're why-- even though he's a damn good killer-- he's NOT the perfect killer.

>>9985313
>good killer isn't perfect killer because he still has feelings

so... deep

>>9985313
I did when I was a 14 year old edgelord and thought they were the best thing since sliced bread. I also really loved the idea of carnivorous pikachus that ate humans back then and bipedal gryphons with massive fangs and lasers that could cut through flesh.

>>9985324
I'm not saying it would be deep, just that it wouldn't be as edgy as those covers make it appear.

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I'm working on a chart to help these conversations go more smoothly. People can just look at it and determine what fantasy novels they may like based on their own position, then go read them instead of arguing.

Sadly, I haven't read a lot of sci-fi and fantasy yet, and much of what I have read, I read too long ago to effectively place it, so feel free to suggest things be moved and to suggest additions.

>>9985386
>Axes not even labeled

quality shitpost friend

>>9985386
Sounds like a hot new meme.

The Culture near the Dispossessed.

>>9985386
what are the boxes

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>>9985400
>>9985410
>>9985463
I'll make it look nicer when it's complete.

>>9985497
>The Magicians
(I assume by Lev) is leftist and liberal as shit

>>9985497
>Heinlein
>Right wing
???

>>9985506
It's liberal, sure. How is it leftist in the same sense as something like The Dispossessed (literally about an anarchist utopia) though? Just because he has a gay friend?
>>9985511
Maybe should be closer to center, but didn't he have fascist sympathies? Also, we're talking about to whom the work would likely appeal, not necessarily the expressed views of the author. That's why I have Moorcock closer to the center even though he's so far left personally.

>>9985506
"Liberal" in the American sense is just a little left of center, though. Just because Quentin gets drunk and has a threesome with his gay friend and a mutual woman friend doesn't push the whole thing way to the left.

Remember, much of the series is about growing up and being self-sufficient, which is something the right always harps on about.

I'd say by and large the series is more personal than political (even though the two do overlap, of course).

>>9985386
>The personal appeal of an SFF novel is tied to the reader's own leanings

lmaoing at ur life.

What are books or stories with lots of action in them? I want to get the idea of how to do them properly

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>>9985386
>Bas-Lag in green square
You didn't read Iron Council, did you?

>>9985497
There are way better ways to try and figure out what books to read than the perceived politics of the author. Why not have the axes be romantic-realistic and plot driven-character driven instead? That's just off the top of my head.

>>9985540
>>9985551
Read this: >>9985386

It's because people keep bringing this shit up. My hope is that by posting it whenever politics come up, people will find a book close to their own views and shut the fuck up and read.

>>9985532
>"Liberal" in the American sense is just a little left of center, though.
"Liberal" in the American sense is anything from barely center left to full on socialist because it's a country of big tent parties. Yet another reason this is a terrible way to categorize books.

>>9985549
I haven't yet, no.

Is Mieville a fucking Leninist? Goddamn. I assumed he was a more classical Marxist type.

>>9985557
Whenever politics come up we should report them and move on. We don't want them sticking around.

>>9985564
He's more of an "it's complicated, mistakes were made, it didn't have to turn out that way"-ist, but definitely sympathetic to the Red October (which he just wrote a nonfiction tome about for centennial).

>>9985565
Politics is a huge part of fantasy and SF because too many authors shoe horn in their ideologies into the books

>>9985564
Mieville is a Red but got roasted just a fews weeks ago by tankies for not being Red enough.

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>>9984998
Lord of the Rings.

>>9985542
Conan

>>9985608
>implying Elrond isn't Stalin

>>9985608
I guffawed

>>9985608
>more cock
lol

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Anything good that is similar to this?

>>9985643
Radio Freefall.

>>9985643
>Off-world colony has irreconcilable cultural differences with the home planet
The Dispossessed

>Space Libertarianism
The Golden Age

>>9985542
Worm

>>9985591
That doesn't really mean anything, tankies are always claiming that anybody who isn't a full-authoritarian Stalinist bootlicker isn't communist enough. And then they go huff gasoline and claim that Imperial Japan was anti-imperialist and was actually liberating China from western imperialism.

>>9985657
Get your bitchass webnovel ass outta here.

>>9982812

Depends, if they don't have a US copyright, do whatever the fuck you want. That's how most of the early US publishing houses started, by stealing british authors and not paying royalties.

So does anyone have any grimdark recommendations?

Are wildcards books fun? Or at least interesting?

>>9984148
Jack Vance wrote detective sci-fi if I remember right.

>>9985696
Coldfire Trilogy
The Black Company
The Steel Remains
Lord Foul’s Bane
Best Served Cold

>>9985577
They aren't speaking of books though. If it was sff books it would be fine. They are talking about current politics.

>pol anon was unbanned and did "test" last thread
>starts up his shit once again
Looks like he wants another month.

>>9983565
It was a short story first, then Weber expanded it into a whole novel, just like Asimov did with "Nightfall".

>>9984438
>Possibly in one of them anthologies that GRRM edited
Yep, in "Warriors".

>>9984532
>1,000 page doorstop "The Complete Chronicles of Conan" for me, but handbreakers like that are hard to read on the train
>What are e-readers
I have a hundred times more than that on my kindle.

>>9984715
Paolini's Eragon series was better than I had expected.

>>9985870
I'm unsure how that's even possible

>>9982587
>seveneves
What a perfect first sentence.

>>9985870
I recently saw a guy reading one of those on the train. He was wearing a suit and looked relatively normal.

What are some sci-fi books like the Undying Mercenaries series by B. V. Larson?

>>9985967
The Revelations Cycle and Galaxy's Edge.

>>9985209

Just stop posting you little bitch. Jesus.

And the number is significantly less than 6 million, but I digress

>>9986117
How many human beans do you think inhabited planet earth in total?
1000 trillion? More?

>>9985916
>>9985936
Have you guys read it? Seriously, give it a try. It's a good deal better than lots of other trash you find on bookshelves. Very impressive worldbuilding, engaging characters, coherent plot, satisfyingly grim and bloody, especially the two last books.

>>9985860
>>What are e-readers

numale accessories

>>9982366
Write.

>>9986228
>coherent plot
Now that's some glowing praise right there.

>>9983382
It's good, read the trilogy, but get ready for a lot of anime fight scenes that go into detail about all the powers everyone is using and how cool they look while fighting.

>>9983885
Amazon my dude

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>>9984925
>literally only place i've seen that magic 2.0 series, which is trash
I didn't ask for books that featured it as a plot element, I asked for books that would enable me to do it myself.

>>9985280
>sincerity and pathos is trite
truly, your superior intellect tortured teen soul is too sophisticated for this board. you should seek companionship elsewhere.

>>9984774
cause horror has always been a subgenre of fantasy and sci fi, ya dummy.

>>9986228
here's your (you)

>>9986308
No it hasn't. These three genres used to be very entwined and fiction writers would dabble in each one.

>>9984774

sounds gay t b h

>>9986247
Well, I am an avid GRRM fan, but in all honesty that is not something once could say about the ASOIF novels for instance ... they have begun fraying apart at all ends like a rotten hemp rope. No doubt part of the reason he finds it so difficult and takes so long to continue. Paolini keeps it all in hand very nicely.

>>9986304
Actually, upon rereading that post, I take back what I said. It's not trite, it's kitsch. Pure kitsch. Like the kind of thing that would be written on the wall of the giftshop in a holocaust museum.

>>9986328
Yeah it is pretty kitsch, can't deny that. How many holocaust museums have you been in, they seem like your main point of reference.

>>9986330
I was raised in a holocaust museum, the Jews there harvested my Gentile blood for use in their rituals.

Recommended horror mystery? Doesn't have to have any scifi or fantasy elements.

>>9986335

A Study in Emerald is a fun short story.

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>>9986228
>especially the two last books

>>9986335
john connolly's parker series has elements of horror
and it's creepy

>>9984998
After Dachau by Daniel Quinn

>set 2,000 years in a the future after a nazi victory in ww2
>all non-whites are mere legend
I forget the rest

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>it's a /pol/ episode

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>>9986732

>it's a jew episode

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>>9986228
Here (you)

>>9986319
It's. A. Subgenre.
Stop being a semantic asswad. When you told ghost stories around a fire. What would you call that? "If you walk in the country on a full moon a man 25 feet tall will kill you". It's fantasy because it never happened, could never happen.
Horror is using fantastical elements with the frightening to tell a story.
>you shooting Jason and he just won't die
>666 boy causes fires in your neighborhood
>vampire sneaks into your daughter's bedroom at night while she is menstruating to drink her period blood
>recluse sitting in a field watching the stars, a star moves on it's own ("oh a shooting star"), it maneuvers.. What? Hovers above you, start to feel weightless and like you are falling into the sky, wake up with some I can't even, they bring a bunch of Crystal instruments, put off your penis, stick rods into your pectorals, you wishing to black out but you keep consciousness, you were missing for 3 days... no one missed you, back on earth, have breasts, have vagina, have womb, have something growing inside you, don't know where to go or who to ask for help, want to an hero but implant in head makes you strive to survive even when you don't want to, break down and cry, despair
>guy diddles his cousin while his heart beats so loudly that it sounds like it is coming from somewhere else, she pushes him away and a raven cries "never more"
>some kids find a scroll, and being edgy follow the pictures of ritualistic killing, they end with a pool of blood, something starts to rise out of the blood, they can't understand it, it drags them into it's otherworldly prison and starts to terrorize our world, the kids go crazy
It's all fantasy or sci-fi.

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I'm getting ready to start reading Too Like The Memes. I'm normally a dinosaur but I'm taking a gamble so I can find out what all you kids nowadays are up to, this better not disappoint.

>>9984804
>At Winter's End
I've heard this shilled before, probably by you. I'll put it on my backlog.

I think he's a good demonstration that SF really has favored ideas over prose. He's obviously better stylistically than Heinlein, Clarke, or Asimov but I admit he doesn't really get the Sense Of Wonder Going. He uses SF for the setting like Bradbury, but he's less sentimental, less poetic, favors more concrete subjects.

>>9985791
>>9985791

Thanks. Any grimdarks for SF?

>>9986245
Fucking this

>>9986245
>>9987092
Imagine being so spooked you avoid the ability to read thousands of books because you think it would magically mean anything about you besides a love of reading and convenience, and then bragging about it on an image board where you're anonymous and thus have no reputation to uphold.

>>9986228
I honestly did and I regret it. Fucking non-reading parents didn't know better and got me to waste my time with that crap. By the end I was old enough to know it was worthless but was in too deep not to see it through to the end. What a poorly thought out shitfest of an ending that turned out to be.

>>9986245
>>9987092
Do you guys also write using typewriters? Are your mums impressed by your bookshelves?

>>9986732
Kike detected.

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Bakkerfags have finally died out

>>9987070
I don't think that taste correlates flawlessly. I loved Ada Palmer's Too Like the Memes' cast and worldbuilding, most notably Mycroft, Bridger, JEDD and Apollo. However, I absolutely cannot stand a whole bunch of science fiction authors like JC Wright, Scalzi, Neil Gaiaman and China Miéville which seemed far too quirky and offputting. I did like PKD (ESPECIALLY Three Stigmata), Watts, Simmons, etc.

= The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
Not much to say here other than the fact that it's probably the best thing that I have ever had the fortune of reading and I am glad that anon shilled it to me. Eldritch is a great villain. And when the other characters venture down the event horizon of PKD's rabbit hole they never stop falling. I actually enjoyed this more than Ubik, a feat I previously considered impossible.

= Lathe of Heaven

Found it to be a very 3.5/5 overrated bad book. It's like a much weaker version of PKD's stuff. I'm not sure if it's because of anime or whatever, but I really fucking love Dick's characters but for some reason people keep describing them as carboard cutouts. Especially Palmer Eldritch (who did nothing wrong), Barney Mayerson, Pat, Runciter and Joe Chip felt pretty damn real with real and human motivations. The problem with PKD is that his books are way too short and don't have any sequels.

Then cut to Lathe and we have the psychologist dude who I can't even remember because he was so boring, who clearly is not evil but a pretty nondescript and we're supposed to believe he did nothing wrong (he did fucking everything wrong and was an explotational asswipe I could feel no sympathy for) and the main character who is more a pushover than Shinji in Evangelion. Then Le Guin tries to show us how DEEP the dreams are and inserts these Sanderson tier quotes in the opening chapters which make me want to kill myself and the ending is, 'look at how we recapitulated the beginning' which was kind of annoying. Like Vonnegut, I think that Le Guin should stay the fuck away from aliens (hilarious in slaughterhouse but I couldn't take them seriously) because they just feel like humans in turtle costumes, there's nothing alien about them. And I can't feel anything for the characters, I felt twice as much for Palmer Eldritch (yes the main antagonist) than everyone put together in the Lathe of Heaven for chrissakes.

>>9987151
Then again perhaps I have absolutely shit taste because I loved all of Asimov's Foundation characters. Yes, Hari, the Mule, "Demerzel", all of them.

= The Master and the Margherita
You have probably read a rant recently from me but I found it far too optimistic and uplifting despite very much enjoying the prose, the setting and the characters. Especially Woland who I felt diverged too much from the character from Faust (alas poor Berlioz, although I doubt that Woland as characterised by the author was responsible) although I can definitely see now where his Mephisto's portrayal from Ao no Exorcist is coming from who's a definite Woland-type (ein zwei drei indeed). The ball set during the novel was the highlight of this book was the definite diabolic highlight and I enjoyed Jesus' characterisation.

= An Echo Of Things To Come
This is the most Brandon Sanderson esque book read recently of the bunch. The beginning is excellent, the middle is partly notorious YA tier material interpersed with Caedan's actually interesting adventure, Davian is just boring and the ending/concluding part of the book is very exciting. The author's strength lies in establishing the endings and tying all the plot threads together.

>>9987158
= Ballard
Picked up some of Ballard's short stories in an attempt to save my PKD stash for a rainy day and was not a huge fan of them. Most of the ones I tried so far seemed simplistic and focussed on the mundane, although the one called The Concentration City was an interesting one (more interesting than the Lathe). His Drowned World does seem more interesting insofar but I am not completely sold.

= Ship of Fools by Richard Russo
This is one of those books I've seen shilled elsewhere by people who love Peter Watts' stuff. Unfortunately the prose is worse than Brandon Sanderson, the characters are bland, there are some good ideas and nothing ever goes anywhere because the plot is so simplistic. Avoid this, it's genuinely shit.

>>9987017
>he doesn't know that non-fantasy and non-sci fi horror exists

>>9987203
And really, as to why I disliked Lathe I think that it mostly stems from the fact that PKD's type of weird is my type of weird and there's a dream aspect about his books that he absolutely nails in its realism. There's a bit in the book where the main character decides that he wants to be a plaque on the wall or anything and somehow this just seems flawlessly perfect to me. I've turned myself into walls in dreams, I've flown around, I've done lots of weird shit (and not even drugged up) like turned myself into the opposite sex regularly without even thinking that it's strange, woken up in weird places, found out that I was walking backwards away from a creepy playground.

This is as opposed to Le Guin's very sterile concept of a dream where the MC changes a painting and "dreams" of world peace amongst other things. I never feel like the MC is dislocated in any other way than that very predictable type of dislocation that Zelazny has in the Chronicles of Amber where the world feels way too small but you could probably walk along it forever (like a path that is way too skinny but very long).

Somewhat on another tangent PKD's stuff is way more open ended. If I ended up in Three Stigmata I am sure that I could wander from one end of the world and all the way around as opposed to Le Guin's very narrow, strict and academic plot structure.

In other words, I enjoy PKD's stuff because he writes like a complete loon and I am probably a complete loon, whereas Le Guin writes like a sane person describing what a complete loon should technically look like. PKD's shit is just unparalleled.

On another note: Le Guin's stuff is very pointed about this particular character suffering. PKD's description of suffering is much more multifaceted, he bullies his characters in their life situation, in their relationship circumstances, in the state of their situation they are living and in terms of a clearly evil being who clearly wants to help but can't. Even the antagonist suffers. When Le Guin writes suffering, she writes a guy who is definitely an antagonist and a love interest and slaps 'make the MC character sufffer' on them. It's really formulaic like she planned everything, whereas PKD just lets the plot structure go.

>>9985574
>He's more of an "it's complicated, mistakes were made, it didn't have to turn out that way"-ist
Ah, so a "no true communism"ist.

>>9985827
Is /pol/ really too stupid to know how to ban evade?

Anything good with at least one badass female barbarian type character, but a bit more depth than your typical pulp (I do love pulp, but it's not what I'm looking for)?

I want to lose myself in a fictional setting and enjoy developing a crush on a powerful barbarian woman.

>essayposting
tl;dr tbqh

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>>9987145
Yes surely they destroyed themselves or turned to other means to forestall their boredom. They're not lurking among us still just waiting for their chance.

>>9987260
I'd hate to see this essay go without a response. PKD is cool, agreed.

>Video game writers are getting Nebulas

Awards are a joke.

>>9987466
All awards are a joke. They exist to be a political spectacle.

>>9987466
Dare I even ask?

>>9987466
I wish I wasn't spoiled by years of reading and film so that Nier A would be as great to me as most people find it. I found it as mediocre as the rest of Taro's work.

>>9987535
Taro's stuff only works for gamers. It's actually pretty brilliant for what it is but the parts being celebrated by normies are not the brilliant parts. He's pretty much the only one taking advantage of the medium.

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>>9987260
>>9987203
>>9987158
>>9987151

>>9987544
>taking advantage of the medium

Outside of 4th wall jokes,multiple endings, and the "delete your save data!" I don't see that.

>>9987545
>tfw we now know thanks to leaks that this was also his attitude as Secretary of State

>>9987551
>Outside of 4th wall jokes,multiple endings, and the "delete your save data!" I don't see that.
That's pretty much what I meant. That and the sudden genre switches in the original Nier. It's not much but gaming is in a terrible state so I'll take it. It's better than what basically anyone else is doing with it. Stuff like Alpha Protocol or the second Witcher game are an aberration.

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>>9987466
Do you actually have a complaint? Or are you just going to curse at new media and act like pic related?

That said, looking at the website makes it hard to take these people seriously. They put Doctor Strange, Zootopia, and Kubo and the Two Strings as Ray Bradbury award nominations. Zootopia certainly isn't a stunning work of art, but it's head and shoulders above Doctor Strange and Kubo. Neither of those movies should be getting awards for anything other than special effects. And as a side note, it pisses me off that people compare Kubo to Kurosawa when it can't hold a candle to that man's work, simply because that's the only Japanese director most people can name off-hand.

>>9987240
>he doesn't know that if something didn't actually happen it's fantasy
If it actually happened it's a documentary. If it did happen but was used in a fictitious way it's fantasy.

>>9987551
>>9987557
I've been thinking on video games as art recently, and I have a question: Why do people seem to judge video games as art solely based on writing? Shouldn't video games be judged for the strengths of the medium, ie gameplay?

>>9987085
I can also recommend Winter's End by R. silverberg. A pretty unique book and a pretty unique story.

>>9987561
Being new doesn't excuse it being subpar. Gaming has been around long enough it should be starting to find its legs. It hasn't.

>>9987270
If he didn't have a static ip and kept posting his "pillshit" they would probably range ban him.
Peter pays for Paul and Paul pays for all.

>>9987567
>Why do people seem to judge video games as art solely based on writing?
Because writing is where a big part of the emotional engagement comes from. Also gamers are retarded and can only compare them to other moving visual media. If it would come into its own as an art form, the writing and the gameplay would be so intimately wedded you couldn't divorce them. But it hasn't. In fact usually the games considered to have "good" writing have terrible gameplay that is wholly isolated from the writing.

>>9987567
That's what I've always thought, but it's surprising how people would prefer a game with bad to mediocre gameplay with a "good" (mediocre to bad) story then a game with good gameplay and a bad or tacked on one. Memes aside, at what point do you not just go watch a movie or something? The 'interactivity' in games is just doing shit in the gameplay portions that are often disjunctive from the actual story. When the game wants you to think they aren't it's usually gives you illusion of choice that at best changes dialogue and alters a few scenes.

>>9987567
>>9987557
>>9987551
>>9987544
What book is this? Oh? No book? >>>/v/ >>>/vg/

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>>9987582

>>9987582
/lit/ =/= /book/

>>9987579
>That's what I've always thought, but it's surprising how people would prefer a game with bad to mediocre gameplay with a "good" (mediocre to bad) story then a game with good gameplay and a bad or tacked on one. Memes aside, at what point do you not just go watch a movie or something?
The truth is, this works because they ARE using the interactivity of the medium. Just in a terrible way. They do this instead of watch a movie because they insert as the hero that has a bunch of friends and shallow waifus instead of being the lonely fucker they are irl. It's the only way they use the strength of the medium and it's terrible.

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>>9987591
Not book
No lit

>>9987140
>What a poorly thought out shitfest of an ending that turned out to be.
I was also at first taken aback by the ending, but then I thought it was refreshingly unexpected, unconventional and bitter-sweet. Just the kind of shit that one would realistically expect to happen in "real life", so to speak. Not all fantasy novels need to end in "everything was fine and they lived happily ever after", anon. It may not be great literature, but it really drew me in, a sarcastic 43 year-old. I wish I could say that about Vance novels.

>>9987603
Would you be ok with it if I stirred the conversation to how overrated the Witcher series is for this reason? I mean, the games are based on books.

>>9987544
The Nier twist I guess worked better in the game that it would have worked for other mediums.

Drakengard 3 would have probably worked better as a novel. (although Taro is probably too poor of a writer to produce a great novel)
Though Zero whining about the platformer parts of the levels did take advantage of the medium.
Very minor part of the game though

Drakengard 1 could have also probably been better with another medium.

Drakengard 2 would have worked best as a thick novel in a nice campfire.

Taro was a step in the right direction.
But his writing is too poor ultimately.

>>9987567
Because gameplay is generally just gameplay and not art.


>>9987571
It doesn't help that games are very commercialized and people want money, proper games take a lot of time to create and also a high budget.
More so than other mediums.

>>9987609
>Taro was a step in the right direction.
>But his writing is too poor ultimately.
Agreed but you have no idea how desperately even an inch in the right direction has been needed.

>>9987609
>Because gameplay is generally just gameplay and not art.
Would you say that about cinematography? Or prose?

>It doesn't help that games are very commercialized and people want money, proper games take a lot of time to create and also a high budget. More so than other mediums.
All mediums are very commercialized. It's just publishers choose to make nothing but the equivalent of capeflicks and Harry Potter.

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>>9987604
>43 year-old. I wish I could say that about Vance novels.
I was right all these years, it was an actual old man fighting me about recommending new books. I knew your nostalgic ass was fossil fuel.

>>9987567
The problem is that the people "judging" the artistic merit of videogames are the same people who can't figure out how to jump over an obstacle in the tutorial of Cuphead. They're truly don't understand what it is that makes videogames unique. They weep and sob over Undertale (to use a single example), but couldn't tell you WHY it affected them so deeply other than "lol the story wuz good". Because they don't really "get" that what made it so likable to them was not just the writing, but how the gameplay mechanics and medium manipulations elicited certain responses from them that significantly augmented what was a decently-written game into something memorable.
No, it's just the "writing".
Let's take LISA as another example. The choices you make in that game, while binary and heavy-handed, actually MATTER. When you lose an arm, you're significantly weakened in combat for the rest of the game. It's not just an empty choice. It's the way that choice is worked into the gameplay mechanics that makes it have any real meaning.
Imagine if Undertale or LISA had been written as novels instead. Would they have gotten nearly the same reaction from people that they did? Probably not. The writing alone is not enough to sell it. It's the way the medium is exploited that makes it memorable. Passable writing is a minimal requirement, but does not necessarily a good game make. See: Drakengard series.

tl;dr: it's proper exploitation of the medium that makes a video game art or not. Writing is just a single component of this. Reviewers and casual "gamers" have a hard time recognizing this, and think that it's the "writing" that makes them like what they like. If it was, the'd have read it as a book instead.

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>/V/IRGINS AND PEDO/TV/ILES SHITTING UP THE THREAD!!
RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE

>>9987627
>The problem is that the people "judging" the artistic merit of videogames are the same people who can't figure out how to jump over an obstacle in the tutorial of Cuphead. They're truly don't understand what it is that makes videogames unique.
Fucking this. Artistic merit is decided by retarded youtubers like DSP and games journalists getting blowjobs for Depression Quest and, gamers being the consumerist whores that they are, follow every recommendation as gospel.

fuck I hate liking vidya

>>9987619
Everyone fights with you senpai.

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What are some books that beautiful, pure, nice traps would enjoy?

>>9987619
>A Canticle for Leibowitz
I've heard of all the others before, but not this. Is it any good?

>>9987640
>gamers being the consumerist whores that they are, follow every recommendation as gospel.
You make it sound like book readers haven't fallen for the same traps. Do I have to remind you that Hunger Games and 50 Shades exist? Sturgeon's Law is universal.

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>>9987651
>You make it sound like book readers haven't fallen for the same traps. Do I have to remind you that Hunger Games and 50 Shades exist? Sturgeon's Law is universal.
Most of the people that read those don't regularly read in their free time.

>>9987653
I think that's the most absurd book cover I've ever seen.

>>9987651
>I've heard of all the others before, but not this. Is it any good?
Rule of thumb: if it's on that list, its good.

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>>9987645
>>9987645
Code plz. Is it English translated?

>>9987659
I didn't want to bring it up but... The Name of the Wind. Actual fantasy fans and avid readers like that. Do I have to bring up all the comparisons its idiot fans have made to Tolkein's works?

>>9987674
>Is it English translated?
no.

>>9987676
I liked The Name of the Wind.

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>>9987651
>>9987668
>tfw antishilling is actually helping their cause
I can't do this alone guys. I need your help.

>>9987567
>Why do people seem to judge video games as art solely based on writing? Shouldn't video games be judged for the strengths of the medium, ie gameplay?
Why do people seem to judge movies as art solely based on writing? shouldn't video games be judged for the strength of the medium, ie cinematography?
Also replace movie and cinematography with book and prose and you have another example of how critics are generally just hacks.

>>9987693
>Why do people seem to judge movies as art solely based on writing?
Do they?

>>9987627
Videogames are the purest form of "blended medium" that we have. They take the writing/visual/auditory/composition fusion of film and add in the part that truly makes it unique: user input. Every one of those individual aspects need to be decently handled for it to be a "good game", and the user input aspect has to be creatively or exceptionally well handled for it to be "art", since it's that aspect that separates the medium from all others. Discussing "art" in the context of videogames without discussion the relationship between the player and the system strips the medium of it's true value, and it's true merit in the realm of artistic endeavors.

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>>9987674
Is that even a trap? It looks female. Or is it a "newhalf"?

>>9987645
Pic related.

>>9987693
>critics are generally just hacks
This, so much. I can't even think of a single modern critic I respect.

>>9987708
yeah, there are plenty reviewers that never even touch on how movies are filmed. There are obviously many that do address how the cinematography tell the story, but the same can be said for video games critics.

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>>9987674
Unfortunately no. But here's some other stuff by the same artist.
https://exhentai.org/g/955855/74a52cf04b/
https://exhentai.org/g/1100128/5263264753/

>>9987720
Honestly, I feel that the average youtube autist that dissects the mechanics of N64 games is a better critic than anybody who publishes for the gaming press.

>>9987690
>tfw he uncovers the Saurian Shadow Circle's master plan

>>9987719
Respect Fantano.
>>9987716
https://exhentai.org/g/734331/aac9c51e59/ look for yourself.
>>9987722
it's really a shame because those don't look half as good as the one people haven't translated

>>9987619
>dino-anon has zero reading comprehension
Figures.

>>9987720
>There are obviously many that do address how the cinematography tell the story, but the same can be said for video games critics.
I don't think so.

>>9987690
>Scalzi
Are any of his books actually worth reading?
I try not to be the kind of person who doesn't read something because he dislikes the author, but fuck Scalzi's something special.

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>>9987716
>The Golem and the Meme
I was 95% sure it was shooped, but I was curious. I certainly didn't see this coming.

>>9987604
>Just the kind of shit that one would realistically expect to happen in "real life", so to speak.
That's exactly why we read fantasy.
>>9987604
>Not all fantasy novels need to end in "everything was fine and they lived happily ever after", anon.
almost none of them do

>>9987736
Red Letter Media talks about cinematography

>>9987741
Yeah I just realized my point was ambiguous when I quote the whole thing. I meant, there's not really a major equivalent for vidya critics. That film criticism being as bad as it is, it's still even worse for games.

>>9987741
Just seeing clips from Space Cop has convinced me that RLM is the absolute bane of comedy.

>>9987151
>the psychologist dude who I can't even remember because he was so boring, who clearly is not evil but a pretty nondescript and we're supposed to believe he did nothing wrong
You're supposed to believe he did everything wrong.

>>9987745
Idk, Super Bunny Hop, Investig8ive journalism(channel disappeared for some reason), and MrBTongue(would not recommend, complete braint) comes to mind. There's also like a billion shitty youtubers that discuss general design concepts, it's not that hard to find. Sure, you might not find insightful analysis on major video game publishing sites, but they're only really there to market call of duty 9.
>>9987747
they can be insightful and unfunny at the same time, y'know.

>>9987747
The only real funny thing from RLM to me was "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!"

>>9987725
For me, the most pathetically cringe-inducing thing you can do as a critic is criticize based on politics. If you can't divorce a work of art from your personal biases, you have no place commentating on how good it is.

>>9987731
I read that he is 43. Thus it proves my claims as of 2 years ago that this general has a lot of grandpas.

>>9987737
Lockin was great
fuck chart anon

>>9987775
But how does that prove that an actual grandpa hates you recommending new books when it's an actual grandpa that reads Eragon and can't stand Vance? If anything it proves you're the dino.

>>9987738
It's golem and the djhinn anon.

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I've yet to come across any character in fantasy or sci-fi, or even all genres for that matter, who come close to Jack Vance's Cugel the Clever. Anyone have any recommendations? I've never laughed with a book so much than while reading Cugel's stories.

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>>9987782
>>9987782
>If anything it proves you're the dino.
non..nonsense t-take that back

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>>9987645
Are you asking for books with traps? Or
Are you stateing that you are a trap and you want a book to enjoy?
If you're the trap what do you want?
A man cuddling you and treating you well?
Or a chad that just wants to pound your boipucci™® when he's in the mood?

>>9987824
>A man cuddling you and treating you well?
this, but also violent and abusive.
But I was just looking for something that'd appeal to me, not necessarily something sexual

>>9987915
I really only liked the wizard of earthsea trilogy of anything I ever read by her desu.

>>9987830
>this, but also violent and abusive.
You can't have it two ways. There is no such thing as a nice guy who fucks like a pornstar.

>>9988116
sure but there are plenty of guys that mean well but are destructive.

>>9988116
Obviously that anon wants to fuck Two-Face. Now, the important question: Is everything split down the middle?

>>9987137
Strike a nerve?

>>9983565
I read the synopsis and wow it sounds bad.
Can anyone who has read it say otherwise?

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>>9988694
It was fun. Remember that?

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