/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

When is A Sea of Skulls getting into print?

>>9958964
Right now.

reading kassad's fight on hyperion again
I'm reminded of Faora in MoS

Thanks anon... this torrent is going to take forever though, fug

What are some good non-english fantasies?

>>9959075
I liked Лeтoпиcи Paзлoмa.

>>9959075
Skammerens Datter is good YA fiction.

Just a reminder about this huge fantasy torrent: >>9957616

>>9959139
i'll seed it forever anons
ily

>>9959139
Someone add it to the OP

>>9959139
There seem to be some significant gaps in seeding. i got most of it at 10Mbps, now I'm down to 10kbps.

What fantasy sword has the best lore?

>>9959239
Unironically the Sword of Truth.

>>9959139
>Up to 2.1MBs download

Fuck yeh

>>9959139
>.txt
What am I supposed to do with this? Can it be changed to other formats easily?

>>9959296
yes, easily to mobi or epub or pdf

>>9959300
huh neat, I guess it doesn't hurt to have it. Will seed

Any good fantasy originally in Spanish? Preferably sword and sorcery or heroic fantasy with a tinge of the weird, but I'll take an epic fantasy series or something else if it's especially good.

>>9959346
Fantasy in Spanish is pretty dank

>>9959353
Thanks. Please recommend some. I want to improve my Spanish.

https://youtu.be/QFI30pcv4sM

What did he mean by this?

>>9959300
The only seed just fucked off and left everyone at 83.3%

fug

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Who's hyped for the HBO adaptation?

>>9959367
Nevermind

>>9959367
He's just a bit slow. Once the we've got more than one seeder it will be a very speedy torrent.

Are there any actually good YA books apart from Sabriel or His Dark Materials?

>>9959414
Does Red Rising count?

>>9959414
Shattered Sea?

>>9959414
Earthsea

>>9959235
I suspect the original seed hasn't completely finished uploading the file.
I know we're at least 2 with a seedboxes so once it's finished ( in about 1-3hrs ), everyone else should be able to download at max speed.

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>>9959414
Deltora even if it's not technically YA

>>9959419
>>9959426
>>9959431
>>9959443

Thanks anons. I've been meaning to read Earthsea ever since I've seen the author memed on here. Guess I have an excuse now.

>>9959239
Anduril, Flame of the West

>>9959239
Stormbringer.

I invited a friend to read a fantasy series with me and he said sure. But this'll basically be his first time reading for pleasure.

What do you think of the idea of starting him off with Nine Princes in Amber?

>>9959557
>I invited a friend to read a fantasy series with me
no homo?

>>9959566
Actually, I'm bi and he's gay, but there's nothing romantic there, no.

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>>9959544
Why do people call Moorcock a hack? Genuinely curious because I was considering buying the first Elric book, but it's 25 bucks and I don't want to spend that much on garbage if they're right. What is good about those books?
>inb4 library, every person i see there skips washing their hands after they piss or shit

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>>9959239
The Possible Sword

>>9959595
His stuff is kind of young adult edgy teenager kinda stuff. But it's good for what it is. Moorcock himself has an overinflated opinion of his abilities though and publicly trashed Tolkien, so he brought it on himself.

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>>9959414
Pendragon Adventures was a fun ride.

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>>9959239
Certainty

>>9959595
It's just pulp adventure really, the sort that used to be serialized in magazines. Elric gets thrown off a ship and saved by the Sea God, nicks a magic ship, conquers a magic mirror by blindfolding himself, gets lost in the City of Endless Night, etc. One misadventure after the other.

>>9959612
Hm, that doesn't sound super promising. I enjoy pulp, especially Conan, but I never thought those books were left wanting emotion-wise. Maybe if I see it for cheaper I'll give it a shot. Thanks anon

>>9959623
That sounds interesting enough. How's the prose? Does Elric bitch about his circumstances through the whole thing?

>>9959614
What happened to the author? Is Morpheus Road any good?

>multimastate
This book is stretching my vocabulary in interesting ways.

>>9959595
There are two reasons /lit/ calls him a hack.

First, his prose in his earlier-written works (which may not be his earlier works chronology-wise because much of it is a series of adventures that he later together in a chronological order) is kind of clunky.

Second, he dissed Tolkien in an essay that, even as someone who likes Moorcock and gets where he was coming from, was kind of shitty.

Third, the Elric books are worth reading but I wouldn't pay $25 unless it's the whole saga, or at least a good chunk of it.

>>9959623
I think there's actually a lot more going on than that, and I really admire Moorcock's ability to have these little vulnerable, tender moments interspersed throughout his stories. Like when Erekosë realizes he can't remember the faces of his wife and child from his life before he was called back to be the Eternal Champion.

>>9959648
Prose varies wildly because he wrote the books out of order throughout his career. Elric doesn't bitch about his circumstances all that much, though the series can be pretty depressing because of how bad Elric has it. I would say that Moorcock's prose is probably the weakest element of his writing, and his best element is his characterization.

The last book in the Elric saga, entitled Stormbringer, has been called "the most devastating finale in fantasy history," though that may be an exaggeration. Neil Gaiman in one interview listed Stormbringer as one of his top three most important novels, if you like him.

>>9959595
>Why do people call Moorcock a hack?
Because he's the epitome of hack writing. Some of the Elric books he literally wrote in a couple of days. He's the proto grimdork author who writes for edgy teenagers.

>>9959595
>Why do people call Moorcock a hack?
Less a hack and more that he doesn't actually like the genre he's most famous for writing in. His Elric stuff is just deconstructionist crap that's dull and boring compared to proper Sword & Sorcery. People should read Karl Edward Wagner's Kane stuff if they want proper dark, violent and horror filled S&S.

>>9959595
>I was considering buying the first Elric book, but it's 25 bucks and I don't want to spend that much on garbage if they're right.
Buy the French comic adaptions instead. They're infinitely better than anything Moorcock has ever written about Elric; if only for the gorgeous artwork.

>>9959680
Thanks for the rec! I've never heard of Wagner before.

>>9959641
They're fun pulp.

>>9959648
I'm not sure Elric is even the most emo Champion Eternal dude. People just assume he is because of his character design.

>>9959669
Don't forget he's a litigious prick that seriously thinks Sapkowski ripped off his writing.

>>9959436
This is what strict superseeding is for. I have a suspicion the seed is uploading the same missing section to everyone at once and that's why it's taking forever,

>>9959641
In the third book he teams up with three other versions of the Eternal Champion (basically the same person reincarnated throughout time and space) and they raid a castle full of giant orangutans and weird snake-like worms and shit, then fuse into a four-faced monstrosity and kill the weird liquid eldritch wizard thing that rules the castle, piloting the castle like a fucking mech to fight the next castle over, which is the first castle's brother. It does not lack for action. It's more like the kind of shit you can read as just pulp or you can get more out of it.

>>9959712
Yea he's pretty much been forgotten. Get your hands on Death Angel's Shadow and Night Winds first since those are his best Kane stories.

NOT
LITERATURE

>>9959757
Imagine being this retarded

>>9959757
There is literally no such thing as literature

>>9959757
If people can call the pamphlets at the clinic that inform them about the array of venereal diseases they might be suffering from literature, then I think you can come to terms with sff being called as literature. Go read the sparknotes to some Pynchon book so you can carry it around in a Starbucks in hopes of impressing some 4/10 coffee slinger.

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Why'd he have to bite it lads?

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>>9959757
shoo shoo
Cry over there

>>9959669
There's another reason, which is that many of his novels, such as the Hawkmoon books, were written at a ridiculously swift pace, like four days a novel. And yet he has the nerve to criticise Tolkien who labored over his stories for decades

Think I'm gonna try to revive Sword and Planet.

>>9959414
Goat YA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amulet_of_Samarkand

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>>9959914
That's my goal too. Criminally underrated/underused subgenre. Godspeed anon.

>>9959905
To be fair, while I think he was only half-right, he was criticizing what he believed Tolkien was trying to do, not how effectively he pulled it off.

His argument was basically, "I think the philosophy that underlies Lord of the Rings is childish and a little bit fascist, and I think certain attitudes that Tolkien has have hurt his books, and so I think Lord of the Rings fails at what fantasy ought to be doing, which is challenging people and making them better." You can disagree, but none of it was, "I think Tolkien tries to do a certain thing and fails at it," aside from one little bit about it failing as romance (in the classical sense) because of Tolkien's ambivalence toward romance.

So while I think he's incorrect in some of his accusations (which could much more fairly be leveled at CS Lewis), none of the accusations is that Tolkien didn't work hard at what he did or failed to tell the story he was trying to tell or anything like that.

It's like if you painted an image I found disgusting, I could still shit-talk your decision to paint a disgusting thing at all even if I'm not as technically skilled.

>>9959999
True enough. I was mostly just trying to address why people call Moorcock a hack. Like, because writing 80k word novels in 4 days while hyped up on speed is pretty much distilled literary hackery.

I don't dislike Moorcock's writing that much myself, my point was that Moorcock seems to find it very easy to shake salt on Tolkien, but never managed any imaginative achievement on the same scale.

>>9960029
>Like, because writing 80k word novels in 4 days while hyped up on speed is pretty much distilled literary hackery.
That sounds like fun how can I get some speed to try it?

>>9960068
>how can I get some speed
.....................................gotta go fast......................................

>>9960029
To be fair, while less explicitly recognized, Moorcock may have had a bigger effect on popular culture.

>alignment in D&D is inspired by his Law vs. Chaos thing (and in fact, for the first editions of D&D, the only alignments were Lawful, Chaotic, or neutral)
>Alan Moore explicitly based his cosmology of the Marvel multiverse on Moorcock's multiverse
>Grant Morrison more or less based the DC universe on it as well, along with an idea of everything returning to symmetry
>Blue Oyster Cult wrote lots of songs about Elric, some with Moorcock's help, and Moorcock even performed onstage with them at times
>if it weren't for that, who knows if Lemmy (Blue Oyster Cult's bass player) would have wound up the frontman for Motorhead?
>the Eternal Champion likely inspired the character of John Constantine, who had a huge effect on comic books aimed at adults, probably made Sandman a possibility and helped Neil Gaiman really get into the public eye
>oh, and Neil Gaiman lists Moorcock as one of his biggest influences
>helped make sci-fi's New Wave a thing through his editorial work on New Worlds, helping authors like Zelazny and Le Guin find footing, as well as J. G. Ballard and Philip K. Dick

Also, obviously I don't know how true it is, but I think I remember reading that he *claims* that he never used any drugs to help him write besides the caffeine in his coffee.

>>9959075
Try "Neverending Story" by Michael Ende. It has almost nothing to do with the film version. I have heard Ende literally cried when he watched it for the first time.

>>9960089
*Grant Morrison more or less based the structure of the DC multiverse on it as well...

Sorry about that.

>>9960089
Hawkwind not Blue Oyster Cult.

>>9960107
You're right. My bad. Blue Oyster Cult also did some songs about the Eternal Champion, though, as did a handful of other artists.

>>9959235
Original seeder here, my shitty ISP will let me upload only at 64kb/s or so. It WILL be finished though.

>>9960089
I don't think slightly influencing formerly esoteric capeshit and a band in the 1970's really outperforms the impact Tolkien had on popular culture. He didn't invent the fantasy genre, but he revitalized mythopoea and brought fantasy to a more broad audience. His influence, whether it be blatant references or just shared ideas, can be found in most modern fantasy novels, video games, movies, tabletop games, and et cetera. I'm sorry, but Moorcock's influence is much less than Tolkien's.

>>9960142
Influenced Gaiman, who wrote American Gods, which is now a major TV show on Starz. Influenced Alan Moore's creation of A League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (his influence here is pretty clear), Watchman, V for Vendetta, etc.

Without Moorcock there probably wouldn't be the whole Guy Fawkes mask thing. Not saying anything about whether that's good or bad, but it's an influence.

>>9959239
Widow's Wail
All hail to Prince Joffrey

>>9960142
>He didn't invent the fantasy genre, but he revitalized mythopoea and brought fantasy to a more broad audience.
I think you're confusing Tolkien with the Grim Brothers.

>>9960154
Fun fact: In the show when Joffrey asks what he should call his sword, someone yells out "Stormbringer!"

Martin wrote the episode.

>>9959722

He also led a campaign to ban Got for being sexist. He seems like a dick but I still like the elric books

>>9960171
He led a campaign to have it moved to the porn shelves along with the rest of the porn.

>>9959414
Try the "Temeraire" series by Naomi Novik. Unique mix between fantasy and historic fiction.

>>9959722
I don't like Moorcock at all, but this guy totally did rip off Elric.

>>9960142
And Dungeons and Dragons (and by extension literally every role playing game that has ever existed).

>>9960153
Yeah, I'm not talking positive or negative, but purely the size of their impact. An illustration that would prove my point is this: if, even prior to 2001 when the LotR movies came out, you were to grab ten random people off the street and asked them which name they recognized, Moorcock or Tolkien, I would bet that maybe more than half the people would know who Tolkien was while perhaps none would know Moorcock. I personally only discovered Moorcock after exhausting several other series and scouring the internet for suggestions. I don't begrudge Moorcock his impact and influence, but Tolkien is a household name and has been for many decades.

>>9960199
That's what I meant by he isn't as explicitly recognized. But having a formative role in RPGs as a whole, changing the shape of comic books, and thrusting Ursula Le Guin and Philip K. Dick (you know, the guy who wrote the book that Bladerunner was based on) into the limelight is a fucking HUGE impact, whether people know his name or not.

>>9959239
Undeniably the star saber.

>>9959239
Terminus Est you turbophilistines.

>>9960166
I confess I haven't read the Grimm tales, but it's not like all Tolkien's contemporaries were using old fairy tale creatures to create complex imaginary worlds. I think you're confusing my post for a shameless declaration that Tolkien invented mythology.

>>9960210
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

>>9960199
Tolkien fanboys really need to neck themselves.
I'm sure you're the same tard that says everyone still rips off Tolkien.

>>9960168
Not only that, if you listen closely another guy then yells out "Terminus" - after "Terminus Est", the sword from Gene Wolfe's "New Sun" series.

>>9960225
Read up on the Grim Brothers, and how people viewed fantasy before that. If it wasn't for them breaking the barriers, Tolkien would not have reached where he is now.

Torrent of 3000+ fantasy novels:
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Seeding has finished now, download should be quick.

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anybody here fuck with warhammer? I was thinking about getting into the 40k universe and have been told about a few different starting points. Is ravenor a good place to begin?

Post your favourite sf&f short stories I'll get the back rolling

http://a1018.g.akamai.net/f/1018/19022/1d/randomhouse1.download.akamai.com/19022/pdf/Paper_Menagerie.pdf

>>9960171
All good authors are huge dicks. Sometimes mediocre authors are too.

>>9960253
Dan Abnett is a great writer of pulp sci-fantasy so it's definitely recommended.
But you start with the Eisenhorn books.
Ravenor is the their sequel.

>>9960089
Moorcock has a lot to answer for. D&D and shitty comics are pure cancer.

>>9960185
Geralt and Elric are nothing alike aside from both being albinos with an obvious nickname.

>>9960231
Listen buddy, it's okay if you like something that isn't wholly original. I won't hold it against you. Everything is influenced by something. I've seen you write this exact same post in almost every general. Nothing on this site should make you this mad once, let alone every time someone praises Tolkien. Do me a favor and breathe in through your nose and hold for seven seconds before slowly breathing out through your mouth. Make a little "o" with your lips. Your heart rate and blood pressure will lower, and you'll be able to release some tension in your skeletal muscles.

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Look what I found at the local second hand store. Got em all for dirt cheap

What am I in for?

>>9960283
Woodlice, moths and bookworms feasting on your books bindings.

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>>9959999
>His argument was basically, "I think the philosophy that underlies Lord of the Rings is [...] fascist"
>>9960171
>He also led a campaign to ban Got for being sexist.
Morecock sounds like a typical SJW honestly. A shitty pulp writer who thinks very highly of himself, hates the genre and mainly takes issue with the beliefs of his betters since his own prose is shit. It's a bit strange, the realisation that these people have always been this way.

>>9960293
You're joking right? Why would you say this

How do I check for signs of those pests?

>>9960266
Have you read The founding? I'm curious as to why the price is so insanely high. How can you justify asking 175+ usd for fiction?

>>9960283
Angst from the terrible modern style covers. Give 'em a read anyway.
>tfw still missing bonehunters

>>9960304
>the founding
the Gaunt's Ghosts novel, sure I have.
Top tier military sci-fi.
Black Library stuff is always overpiced af.
Maybe you should seek other ways of getting them, if you know what I mean.

>>9960331
Second hand? the paperback is a lot cheaper.

>>9960283
My goal is to write a lineup of books like that someday... It would probably feel incredible, regardless of how successful they were.

>>9959680
>Karl Edward Wagner
My god, that's the most luxurious neckbeard I've ever seen. This guy must be a god of pulp-fantasy.

are grrm's a knight of the seven kingdoms novellas worth it while waiting for winds of winter?

>>9960300
>How do I check for signs of those pests
With your eyes.

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>>9960480
Well, what are you waiting for? Start writing.

>>9960653
Yes, they are pretty decent, and they explain a good deal of background. IIRC GRRM's original plan was to write seven or ten of them and have them end right where AGoT begins. It's been a while since the last one came out, though. It's a pity he seems to prefer writing his dumb fake histories, which seem to emphasize all his weak points as a writer and utterly omit his strong points.

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>>9960293
>>9960300
The book version of rotational velocidensity.

>>9960089
>>alignment in D&D is inspired by his Law vs. Chaos thing
You mean Poul Anderson's Law vs. Chaos thing.

>>9959826
Because he got cancer.

>>9959914
>>9959995
Keep an eye on Cirsova.

>>9959757
Shut the FUCK up, maggot. Get out of here.

>>9959075
Borges

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>>9960089
Not to mention all the heavy metal bands that used elric book covers as album covers

>>9960089

Morecock definitely didn't come up with the idea of chaos and order.

>>9960243

Yeah well if it wasn't for a random caveman picking up a rock and using it to perform a task we wouldn't have anything so checkmate

>>9960699
>GRRM's original plan
He really is shit at following his plans.

>>9960653
They're good, and the book comes with some dope illustrations too. Dunk & Egg is probably gurm's best writing, tbqh.

What /sffg/ approved books should i get my niece who enjoys reading to ensure that she develops patrician taste ?

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>>9961023
How old is she?

>>9961023
Keep her away from patriarchal books written by men if you don't want to brainwash her

>>9961039

about 11

>>9961044
Narnia maybe?

>>9961044

Sabriel

>>9961044
Prince of Nothing

>>9959914
May the benign ghosts of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Leigh Brackett, and C.L. Moore inspire you in this worthy undertaking. Remember to throw in a glamorous femme fatale and a mischievous sidekick among the rambunctious spaceports, bustling markets, seedy taverns, opulent palaces, and mysterious natives.

>>9960283
You're about to experience everything from laughter to despair.
Just keep reading and accept that you will not understand everything going on. r/malazan is a good place if you need information, TOR Reread of the Fallen is good as well, and most importantly you do NOT google any places or characters because you will find spoilers.

>>9961023
She's probably boing to enjoy Breek's Nightangel trilogy at that age. I certainly did. I also used to enjoy LOTR back then. And I loved Bartimaeus and The Keys to the Kingdom.

Can you skip Gardens of the Moon?
I hear it's pretty shitty.

>>9961256
>Breek's Nightangel trilog
>11
for fuck's sake anon don't listen to him

give her frances hardinge's books (fly by night, twilight robbery, gullstruck island, a face like glass)
I first read them when I was 25 and I loved em

>>9961275
>I first read them when I was 25 and I loved em
this is supposed to mean that they're great books outside of clearly being YA
not LITRACHUR of course but who gives a fuck
like anyone's gonna sit down and read fuckin dostoyevsky

>>9961044
How mature is she?

>tfw first read ASOIAF at 11 and the incest thing totally went over my head until near the end of the first book

>>9961023
It's a comic, but I recommend Mouse Guard.

>>9961269
Reading shitty books is part and parcel of living in a fantasy world.

Suck it up, bitch.

>>9961044
The Dark Is Rising
The Chronicles of Prydain
The Last Unicorn
Narnia
The Hobbit

>>9961023
Earthsea since it's probably the best YA fantasy.

>>9961023
>>9961338
This or Chronicles of Amber.

>>9961044
Prince of Thorns

>>9961044
>>9961044
For your niece: Try the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik. Unique fantasy-historic novels, the Napoleonic wars fought with dragons. Or Mission of Gravity by Hal Clement, a gritty scifi adventure story with cute aliens and lost fo derring-do. One of sci-fi's all time greats. Almost no mention of sex in any of those books

>>9961023
Earthsea was definitely the most important formative book I read as a child.

>>9961376
>What good is power if you're too wise to use it?
Sparrowhawk did nothing wrong.

>>9961376
I should point out that she should stop at book 3 btw, the recent sequels are not nearly so good, and very ideology driven.

Which is the most /pol/ tier fantasy book/series

>>9961468
harry potter.

>>9961468
Lord of the Rings

>>9961483
But the orcs lose.

>>9961492
The orcs are SJWs.

>>9961468
The Sword of Truth, if you haven't heard about it it's the story of a fascist dictatorship repelling hordes of communist arab rapists. Also there's a lot of BDSM, A LOT!

>>9961492
the orcs are immigrants.

>>9961468
REH's Conan.

>>9961508
>fascist dictatorship
I thought Goodkind was a militant Objectivist.

>>9961508
Are they good though?

>>9961468
Fantasy as a genre favors monarchy and military settings.
Unless the author goes out of his way to insert ideology it's generally /pol/.

>>9961529
Prose wise? No. Entertainment wise? YES.

>>9961529
Like many series the first book is good and then in the sequels the author repeats himself with diminishing returns.

>>9961530
True, but some books (e.g Harry Potter series) has SJW undertones. Was looking for something that celebrates patriarchy, and entertains ideas of tribalism, war etc.

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>>9961492
Yes?

>>9960089
Don't forget those guys on /a/ claiming that Shingeki no Kyojin was based on Eternal Champion.

>>9961534
That's what I want to hear. Is Conan similar in this regard?

>>9961546
Read 40k fanfic garbage written by autists then

>>9961546
>Was looking for something that celebrates patriarchy, and entertains ideas of tribalism, war etc.
Arts of Dark and Light, but read all the prequel stories first before you read the main novels.

>>9961546
starship troopers

>>9961556
Kek how did I know that this would come up? Soz bby

>>9961530
so any book that's not set in the 20th/21st century or the future = /pol/?
or any book set in the UK, Denmark, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Norway (monarchies)?

>>9961536
In Terry Goodkind's case it kind of sharply declines after the second book but eventually goes so far down it comes out on the other side and becomes great again.

>>9961555
>Is Conan similar in this regard?
REH's Conan is entertaining AND has good prose.

>>9961569
>In Terry Goodkind's case it kind of sharply declines after the second book but eventually goes so far down it comes out on the other side and becomes great again.
Post the chicken copypasta.

>>9961555
Conan is quite different but also good, Howard is the better writer.

>>9961584
>>9961570
Thanks

>>9961583
You asked for it.

Hissing, hackles lifting, the chicken's head rose.

Kahlan pulled back.

Its claws digging into stiff dead flesh, the chicken slowly turned to face her. It cocked its head, making its comb flop, its wattles sway.

"Shoo," Kahlan heard herself whisper.

There wasn't enough light, and besides, the side of its beak was covered with gore, so she couldn't tell if it had the dark spot. But she didn't need to see it.

"Dear spirits, help me," she prayed under her breath.

The bird let out a slow chicken cackle. It sounded like a chicken, but in her heart she knew it wasn't. In that instant, she completely understood the concept of a chicken that was not a chicken. This looked like a chicken, like most of the Mud People's chickens. But this was no chicken.

This was evil manifest.

>>9961607
Her power, her magic, was also a weapon of defense. But it would only work on people. It would not work on a chicken. And it would not work on wickedness incarnate.
Her gaze flicked toward the door, checking the distance. The chicken took a single hop toward her. Claws gripping Juni's upper arm, it leaned her way. Her leg muscles tightened till they trembled.
The chicken backed up a step, tensed, and spurted feces onto Juni's face.
It let out the cackle that sounded like a laugh.
She dearly wished she could tell herself she was being silly. Imagining things.
But she knew better.

Kahlan frantically tried to think as the chicken bawk-bawk-bawked.

"Mother," the chicken croaked.
Kahlan flinched with a cry.

[Kahlan knocks over a candle by mistake, plunging the barn into darkness]

In the dark, the chicken thing let out a low chicken cackle laugh.
It hadn't come from whre she expected the chicken to be. It was behind her.
"Please, I mean no harm," she called into the darkness. "I mean no disrespect. I will leave you to your business now, if that's all right with you."
She took another shuffling step toward the door. She moved carefully, slowly, in case the chicken thing was in the way. She didn't want to bump into it and make it angry. She mustn't underestimate it.
Kahlan had on any number of occasions thrown herself with ferocity against seemingly invincible foes. She knew well the value of a resolute violent attack. But she also somehow knew beyond doubt that this adversary could, if it wanted, kill her as easily as she could wring a real chicken's neck. If she forced a fight, this was one she would lose.

The chicken thing let out a whispering cackle.

>>9961566
Future/contemporary fantasy is more scifi or urban fantasy. So not quite the same genre.
Old colonial Europe even a little before WW2 was very /pol/.
Sweden stopped practicing eugenics only only a few decades ago and they had very controlled immigration,so they were still kinda of /pol/.
Nowadays only Britain has any form of monarchy with some authority left and it's very reduced anyway. You can exchange them with an elected president like in Germany and nobody would notice the difference.

>>9961610
[she's trying to find the door, she's crying and panicking, she stubs her toe and falls down.]

With the next flash of lightning, she saw chicken feet standing between her and the crack under the door. The thing wasn't more than a foot from her face.

The beak pinched the vein on the back of her hand over her eyes. The chicken tugged, as if trying to pull a worm from the ground.
It was a command. It wanted her hand away from her eyes.
The beak gave a sharp tug on her skin. There was no mistaking the meaning in that insistent yank. Move the hand, now, it was saying, or you'll be sorry.
If she made it angry, there was no telling what it was capable of doing to her. Juni lay dead above her as a reminder of the possibilities.
She told herself that if it pecked at her eyes, she would have to grab it and try to wring its neck. If she was quick, it could only get in one peck. She would have one eye left. She would have to fight it then. But only if it went for her eyes.
Her instincts screamed that such action would be the most foolish, dangerous thing she could do. Both the Bird Man and Richard said this was not a chicken. She no longer doubted them. But she might have no choice.
If she started, it would be a fight to the death. She held no illusion as to her chances. Nonetheless, she might be forced to fight it. With her last breath, if need be, as her father had taught her.
The chicken snatched a bigger beakful of her skin along with the vein and twisted. Last warning.
Kahlan carefully moved her trembling hand away. The chicken-thing cackled softly with satisfaction.

>>9961611
Basically being white and not being ashamed of your race and culture is /pol/ tier these days.

>>9961546
sounds kinda stupid.

>>9961617
Pathetic opinion

>>9961619
Why?

>>9961622
Isn't that just a fact more or less?

>>9961611
yes, but setting a book in a shitty time doesn't mean the write/the book supports those things
like, does a book set in 2010 whose main character is a waitress trying to make it as an actress in hollywood support the patriot act and Obamacare

>>9961630
no

>>9961624
Cause why would you entertain things that are just plain bad just cause? there's no books about how pedophilia is just top notch and how we must protect the pedophilic culture either.
Tribalism is at best a necessity, but why would you ever lift it up as an ideal? I can only see very arbitrary and stupid reasons.

>>9961635
Please leave, outer /lit/.

>>9961642
I'm not outer lit, I just think that it's kinda stupid. I'm fine with a stupid narrative if it's at least interesting, but it sounds like something a redneck would write.

>>9960911
>this passes for a logical response
>straw grasping

>>9961647
>but it sounds like something a redneck would write.
t. cuck

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>>9961654
t. brainlet.
You realize that just because SJWs are bad, the polar opposite type of idiot doesn't suddenly become elevated right? are you so stupid that you can't keep track of more than one group of people being stupid/wrong?

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>>9961044
try Lolita :^)

>>9961635
Tribalism is good if there's genuinely something inherently superior about your tribe, but then is it really tribalism?

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>>9961635
>things that are just plain bad
Tribalism isn't bad, it's a survival mechanism. Blood is thicker than water and more important than most things in life. Now if you want to throw away your group identities then fine but know that it is like throwing away the concept of personal property while everyone else does not.
>>9961647
>something a redneck would write.
You fancy metropolitan types have been rendered too retarded by your urban lifestyles to understand the basics of how things work. Urbanites are the reason why the west have gone to shit. Too busy smelling your own farts to notice the consequences of your retardation.

>>9961657
kek this cuck worked himself into a shoot. Go back to Harry Potter, sissy.

>>9961663
Is it? Then is a dude justified in killing everyone else if he's inherently superior? Or maybe it's a caveman idea that might makes right.
>>9961666
I grew up on a farm and I'm definitely not metropolitan. Are you not the urbanite conflating redneck and rural?

>>9961666
>Tribalism isn't bad, it's a survival mechanism.
Tribalism is good for westerners since the values that have taken root in western culture are objectively superior for living in the modern world. Tribalism is bad for nonwesterners since it leads to a rejection of western values and consequently a reduced standard of living and access to resources.

>>9961674
>Is it? Then is a dude justified in killing everyone else if he's inherently superior? Or maybe it's a caveman idea that might makes right.
I never understood "tribalism" to mean "eradicate absolutely everyone not in my group"

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>>9961678
that's not what tribalism means. Sure, we have ideological superiority, but we should imperialistically enforce these things on savages like the middle easterners and Chinese, not keep them to ourselves.
Sure, it might seem contrary to our values, but if we let people keep to their old ideas, true tribalistic ideals like chinese society will cause the destruction of our world. globalism is good as long as it's the right kind.

>>9961680
No, but it does mean "prioritize everyone in my group", the severity of priority can vary.

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>>9961680
Progressives are stupid.
>>9961692
Why would any sane person not prioritise their own group?

>>9961692
Why is that fundamentally a bad thing? It's the basis of friendship, family, love...

>>9961688
Aggressive enlightened imperialism is also a western value going back to the Athenian and Roman empires, continuing all the way to the modern day. It's just fallen out of favor recently.

>>9961709
Because you must only love big brother.

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>>9961707
>Why would any sane person not prioritise their own group?
empathy, ideals, ethics.
>>9961709
totally depends on type of tribalism. Generally that's not what tribalism refers to, it refers to a predetermined, arbitrary group sharing an inherent similarity to you, not prioritizing people that you have created bonds with.
I have a connection to my family, my friends and DADDY, but I don't have any connection to the people in my country 500 miles away.

>>9961709
Because we're talking about societal constructs that are supposed to take care of the interactions of tens if not hundreds of millions of people. Love, friendship, family are very VERY small scale.

>>9961468
Harry Potter

>>9961728
If the similarity is inherent how is it arbitrary?

>>9961732
Those are the only scale that people can efficiently make choices on regardless of how they may want to pretend otherwise. Try to get them to do anything else and they become incompetent or monstrous.

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>>9961723
It was fairly on topics even with the politics there for a while.
>>9961728
>empathy, ideals, ethics.
None of those are contrary to tribalism.

>>9961747
because they're inherently similar, not inherently justifying a tribalist mindset.
Whiteness is an inherent similarity, but it's arbitrary in the sense that it doesn't really mean anything beyond the value ascribed to it (I'm not saying that caucasians aren't different in other ways than color btw, it's just an example)

>>9961752
So what are you aiming for, dissolution of governments and having each homestead/apartment be a separate nation?

>>9961757
>None of those are contrary to tribalism.
Never said they were.

>>9961764
No, then someone would just make a big government again in the vacuum. I just want people to know their limits and influence their governments accordingly.

>>9961769
That's meaningless pablum, how do people influence governments "accordingly" in your vision of society? Writing letters to a congressman, what? In any kind of remotely democratic grouping of humans people will influence their governments.

>>9961777
By voting with their primary purpose in mind but yeah I understand classical liberalism has long lost this fight and I'll never get what i want.

>>9961760
>not inherently justifying a tribalist mindset.
Why not? The negroid, mongoloid and so on are different subspecies. If we take it one step further aren't you suggesting that prioritising man before beast is also unwarranted tribalism?

>>9961780
>The negroid, mongoloid and so on are different subspecies.
There's more to a subspecies than skull morphology and negroid isn't even a very good category. Too much diversity south of the Sahara. (I mean real diversity, not modern PC diversity)

>>9961778
>voting with their primary purpose in mind
What's their primary purpose?

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>>+ eternity
This always happens some body (pol) throws a seed in a post. and you retards throw water and sustenance onto it allowing it to get huge. every single time
ignore pol post, they cannot post in their sanic the foothog board, so they go to other slower boards to spread their ideologies

Not sff? Get out. You guys were keeping it on topic then you had to sperg out and bring pure politics into it. You guys need to be put down
Your like the autist's who drop onto the floor and scream in public, you jus cant help you'reself,
Someone mentioned something slightly political and your autism kicks in

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>>9961780
did you miss the part where I said I wasn't referring to race differences and only color? Fucking retard.

>>9961788
Protection of individual liberty of its citizens.

>>9961798
Liberty is a bad meme.

>>9961798
No, the primary purpose of elections is electing a government that does what you want them to.
You're mad people don't vote the way you want them to and are covering it up with buzzwords like "individual liberty".

>>9961805
>>9961808
t. statists

>>9961808
I was talking about the primary purpose of government not the primary purpose of elections. of course you probably disagree with me on what the primary purpose of government is in the first place.

>>9961815
Of course I disagree. The primary purpose of government is whatever the citizens of that government want it to be.

>wake up
>fire up that pc cause I'm sure hungry for some sff discussion
>I wonder if more wolfe memes were made while I was sleeping
>230 post
>damn had some hot discussions while I humped the bed
>scroll down to bottom
>pol flinging shit everywhere
>thread was made last night
>will have to be replaced before afternoon
>nothing of value gained
Sigh. Another one of those threads huh?

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>>9961819
>the primary purpose of government is guarding against transfats

>>9961819
This post actually made me very sad.

>>9961728
Tribes aren't set in stone, like an ancient isolated community versus another.

We can consider our family our tribe every day while we struggle to support and feed them.

If a threat comes into our neighborhood, our community is our tribe as we band together to neutralize it.

If our city is being over run with crime or poor governing, we can band together.

Our nation. Our RACE.

It's all just scale but the bonds remain.

I suggest looking into the Robbers Cave experiment.
http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/social/sherif_robbers_cave_experiment.html

TL;DR: boys who didn't know each other were thrown together in a camp and made to compete against one another. A hierarchy formed among the group, alpha and betas etc. Hatred, fights, arguing...

Then one day they became aware of another camp, also part of the experiment, also in their own hierarchy. Boom, all of the sudden there was a common enemy and the groups became tribes, bound together.
.
.
.
This is why the villain is always more important than the hero. The threat is what brings people together and turns ordinary men into heroes

>>9961812
Liberalism is just a less obvious form of bondage and you don't know the name of the person holding your leash. I much prefer a strong sovereign of my own kin.

>>9961793
It's fun though? Stop being autistic

Some people like debate and confrontation, betaboy

>>9961828
At least in liberalism you can be assured whoever is holding the leash actually earned it through competition with his peers.

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>>9961828
>I much prefer a strong sovereign of my own kin.

>When you wake up and the latest chain of posts is filtered

are the von Hapsburgs GRI approved?

>>9961827
Why do you think something being instinctual means it's good?

>>9961827
>I suggest looking into the Robbers Cave experiment.
Half the text that you yourself cited is about how they bonded when given larger goals. I mean for fucks sake:
>The majority of the boys agreed by the last day that it would be a good thing to return to Oklahoma City all together on one bus. When they asked if this might be done and received an affirmative answer from the staff, some of them actually cheered. When the bus pulled out, the seating arrangement did not follow group lines.

>>9961857
They got the I part covered for sure because of the constant inbreeding.
I don't doubt they practiced the rest too but currently I don't have any sources to prove it.

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>>9961831
Not really, how are they any different from monarchs? Some win the position by struggle, others inherit. I just dislike the mercant caste, they lack spines.
>>9961858
It's an instinct which has ensured our survival and opposing it means death. Just look at the UK, in a couple of generations their people will be but a memory.

>>9961657
I don't really think that's what he was saying, faggot.

>>9961878
>I just dislike the mercant caste, they lack spines.
Go start your own business then. I'm sure a brave guy like you will be a captain of industry in no time.

>inb4 I can't the jews won't let me

>>9961831
Bernie Sanders would like a word.
>inb4 hurr GoT taught me conniving and intrigue is fair and necessary
If that's true then you have no right to complain about any politician

>>9961878
>It's an instinct which has ensured our survival and opposing it means death
except for the fact that life has changed and we don't live in the savanna anymore

>>9961858
>Why are instincts a good thing?

Nobody here can be this retarded. Did someone else type that for you?

>>9961862
Yeah they were forced to be together and eventually bonded through commonalities.

Just like a nation or community, people can live together in peace even if they belong to different tribes. Again, tribes don't mean constant war.

My community lives in peace until a threat arises and then lines are drawn.

I have little in common with a black guy from Florida but as soon as aliens attack my country he's my ally.

Again, tribes can be fluid depending on circumstance.

>>9961902
That's a shitty out for the argument.

Humans are humans and protecting our tribe and survival doesn't just mean picking berries and fighting off lions.

It could mean voting for a strong leader in the UK to keep out millions of refugee assholes. It could mean fighting for funding for your school system rather than another one. They are both related to improving your tribes survival by improving livability at the expense of another tribe.

Use your brain dude

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>>9961902
The basic rules still apply. And my kin never lived in a savanna. Groups who don't cooperate die and groups who do survive.

>>9961900
I doubt whatever shithole you're from has any politician that "earned" their place through "competition" with their peers. Your worldview betrays your immature mind. I would be willing to guess that your age written down would end in "teen." And if I'm wrong about that, you should be scrambling to make up for years of ignorance on your part.

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>>9961044
The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents
The Wee Free Men

>>9961923
>only politicians have power

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>>9961923
>Your worldview betrays your immature mind

>tfw to intelligent to want a transparent political system

>>9961934
this but unironically

>>9961928
Corporations are even worse. Just look at Google. They have even less loyality to the people than the pretend showrunners in "representative" democracies. I'd much rather have a monarch than the assholes in silicon valley.

>>9961928
Exactly the point I'm making. Holy motherfucking shit dude, crack a book. I sincerely have no idea what's going on with this general right now-- has reddit invaded? The collective IQ has plummeted faster than I've ever seen.

>>9961936
Wasn't even being ironic

>>9961934
What did you mean by this?

>there are unironic monarchists in this thread RIGHT NOW shaking their head in disapproval

>>9961918
>They are both related to improving your tribes survival by improving livability at the expense of another tribe.
which makes them shit
they're easy fixes for huge problems that only contribute to negative outcomes

>>9961920
>Groups who don't cooperate die and groups who do survive
agreed

>>9961944
Plenty of places you can go pledge allegiance to one. Doubt you'd like it very much at any of them though.

>>9961946
I remember when I was a teenager and would accuse other people of being teenagers on the internet...

>>9961920
>And my kin never lived in a savanna
No xenos allowed in this thread

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>>9961954
Yup.

>>9961950
That he's earned his positions through competition. While not perfect and obviously having help early on, he has essentially made himself who he is today, which is a very successful businessman who happens to be the president of the United States of America.

>>9961962
The out of africa myth was proven false some time ago, anon.

>>9961958
>>Groups who don't cooperate die and groups who do survive
>agreed

>not being a freerider and just pretending to cooperate to spread your genes

>>9961969
Well some of the alternative theories from the 19th century would certainly explain why Brits all look like chinless apes.

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Lads, give me your best historical fiction / historical fantasy recs please

>There are 18-30 year old people in this thread RIGHT NOW that are utterly convinced that their own adopted philosophies and ideologies are infallibly correct and that if they write condescending enough posts to their opponents that they will convert from or abdicate their own adopted philosophies or ideologies.

>>9961958
>which makes them shit
Good luck with your Utopia brah

>>9961974
Blood Germs and Steel

>>9961269
Its the best of the whole series.

Get a room you pansies.

>>9961975
It's not my job to educate you shitlord

>>9961975
>Not understanding debate
Fucking fence sitters, go be mediocre somewhere else

>>9961981
Fuc you

>>9961974
I liked dorothy dunnet's Niccolo series.
Bernard Cornwell's whole career is historical fiction.

>>9961988
I can tell by your irrelevant and unnecessary response that I've struck a nerve. I suggest taking a half hour break from the internet sweetheart.

>>9961977
>not wanting to roll the world towards sci fi dystopia = utopia bro

>>9961958
>agreed
Good. You do realise that means groups of race right?

>>9962000
I love the sweetheart/sweetie meme. Not sure why it took so long to catch on.

>>9961977
>>9962002
>tfw ancap
>tfw all the cyberpunk dystopias are your utopia

>>9962003
>You do realise that means groups of race right?
the word "groups" doesn't mean "groups of race" so no

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Shut the fuck up you retarded politics sperging retards. I'm going to report every single one of you of you faggots.

>>9962012
What do you think happens to a race that doesn't have any tribalist sentiments and group cohesion in a world where everyone else has?

>>9961989
This is not debate. And I'm no fence-sitter. Modern liberalism has become a plague. It has been infiltrated by treasonous characters and foreign powers. It promotes the decay of the nuclear family and of personal mental health. It promotes multiculturalism in a violent and racist way. It has become an extremist movement. It seeks to exert more control over my life than I am comfortable with. I used to be a Liberal Democrat, but the party somehow made Republicans seem more appealing. I didn't vote for Hillary, who leaves a trail of bodies behind her.

>>9961974
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell

>>9962017
what do you think happens when a bunch of racist paranoiacs that think jews and nonwhites want to kill them all get in power

>>9962024
>Modern liberalism has become a plague.
There is no modern liberalism. It died. The socialists killed it.

>>9961974
I, Claudius and Claudius the God by Robert Graves.
As good as historical fiction can get.

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>>9962032
They put the jews into labour camps and fix their nation, socially, economically and spiritually? Not sure how knowing the facts is supposed to be paranoid.

>>9962039
don't know where to even start with this, it's that wrong

>>9962032
what do you think happens when a bunch of (((racist paranoiacs))) that think whites and other goyim want to kill them all get in power

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Tell me /sffg/

WHAT DO YOU SEE

>>9962064
GRI

>>9962032
No more inflation?

>>9962064
Sandersonian artwork

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What's the cutest and comfiest fantasy book you've read, anons? I need something to cheer me up.

>>9962080
Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Trust me, it's max comfy

>>9962080
Run away while you can. There is no merriment to be had here.

Read The Hobbit

>>9962080
The Hedge Knight, the Sworn Sword, etc by the GURM

>>9961830
Do it in pol then.

>>9962080
Might I suggest Red Rising to you?

>>9962080
Blindsight

>>9962080
goblin emperor was kinda comfy

>>9961793
It's not even /pol/, it's other people who bait idiots like you into giving them (You)s

>>9961997
This is the first time I've seen Dunnett recommended here other than by me. Who are you, and why are you so cool?

>>9961793
Is "To Kill a God" literature?

https://www.tor.com/2017/08/29/oathbringer-brandon-sanderson-chapter-1-3/

I like it so far.

>>9962104
WHAT!!!
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

>>9962099
I'm just a nice guy *fedora tip*.
Though I did hate hate hate the ending and the reveal of the villain in Niccolo.

>>9962093
That's just mean anon

Just kill the thread now

>>9962097
Is it bait when there are 50+ posts discussing pure politics and elections in the fucking sffg thread?

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>>9962085
But that's a movie?
>>9962090
I've read it many times already but it was a good suggestion.
>>9962091
Isn't he really cynical and stuff?
>>9962093
Okay. I will check it out. YA is usually pretty upbeat.
>>9962095
Isn't that about space vampires? Are you trying to trick me?
>>9962096
That seems nice, will give it a go. Thank you for your suggestions everyone.

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>>9962108
Yeah I know what you're talking about. I didn't quite hate it, but it wasn't my favourite thing either. I should re-read and see if it increases or decreases the experience. Also, Katelijne > Gelis

Have you read the Lymond books and King Hereafter?

>>9962117
>But that's a movie?

Are you fucking shitting me?

>>9962107
Sometimes books used to be serialized in newspapers and stuff. This is similar. But only up to chapter 29, which is still a lot of chapters, before the book comes out.

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>>9962117
>YA is usually pretty upbeat.
RED RISING IS NOT FUCKING YA. IT HAS GRI.

>>9962122
Oh. How many chapters will there be in total?
I heard there's like 1k pages or something

>>9962117
>Isn't he really cynical and stuff?
Not as bad as some authors but yes. His Dunk and Egg stuff is more lighthearted than ASOIAF though. Very comfy adventure stuff.

>>9962124
Yes, there are some grim parts in the book but overall it has a light and playful tone, I'm sure you'll love it.

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>Eldritch Palmer acts as a relationships advisor in the Chew-Z worlds when he can turn himself into a 900 year old loli and god knows what else
I want to tie Palmer Eldritch up in his moe form and fuck him completely senseless and teach an eldritch god (cute) sinful ningen ways!
wwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>9962124
It is still simplistic YA with an MC some might consider a Gary Stu.

>>9962118
>Have you read the Lymond books and King Hereafter?
I read the first 2 Lymond books and didn't like them at all. I don't know why, I'm not good at the whole review thing. Reading them was like putting a square peg in a round hole.
The King Hereafter I liked more than both Niccolo and Lymond.

>mfw ignominiously illaqueated

>>9962124
what's the original of this meme?

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>do a quick check of sffg for the day before I go to work
>320 post hot damn
>pol pol pol
>created 08/30/17(Wed)19:44:58
>latest post 08/31/17(Thu)12:04:18
>thread dead in less than 24 hours
I really hate you rolly pollies

>>9962137
The series arc of Lymond starts proper in the 3rd book, but yes, I wouldn't suggest trying again if you didn't like the first 2. It's stylistically not any different, after all.

That's funny, I think I liked King Hereafter the least, mainly because she does so much obfuscation on her main character's motives and such that I felt I never got a good handle on Thorfinn in one book (even though it was pretty long).

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>>9962121
You mean just Dracula? Okay. I've never read it so maybe it's time. I think I've heard it was basically obfuscated gay erotica though.
>>9962124
GRI?
>>9962131
Maybe I'll give it a go then. I can handle a bit of cynicism as long as it's comfy.

>>9962149
Umm sweetie, this thread is only on page 2...
It will be hours before it hits page 100

>>9962149
Why do you always blame /pol/ and never /leftypol/? I do not condone shitposting in our little general but both sides are at fault.

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>>9962143
American bear.
Which was made from spurdo
Which was made from pedobear
Which was made from some stupid advert

>>9962159
Please don't post that specific one it triggers me hard god fucking damnit breeks you fucking filler book making fucking faggot

>>9962151
>That's funny, I think I liked King Hereafter the least, mainly because she does so much obfuscation on her main character's motives and such that I felt I never got a good handle on Thorfinn in one book (even though it was pretty long).
Yes, he struck me as Mary Sueish but if I like the book enough I let that slide (hear that Rothfuss, you fucking hack?)

>>9962158
THEY. ARE. BOTH. POL.
WHO STUPID ARE YOU?
LEFT RIGHT MIDDLE QUARTER YOU ARE ALL POL
FUCK OFF.

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>>9962152
>GRI

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>>9962160
What about this one?

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>>9962159
I like the freedom ain't free spurdo.

>>9962091
>>9962131
>>9962152
Sworn Sword is underrated

>tfw no freckly Red Widow waifu

>>9962163
He's doing a thing and you may be stupid for not seeing it.