/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

>>9962728
First for having read Eugenio Loboe after everyone shilling him in these threads and loving every book.

Is Larson really worth reading? I keep seeing people shilling his Undying Mercenaries or whatever.

>>9962738
>Eugenio Loboe
motherfucker I even googled that before it clicked

>>9962728
Perfect pic, maybe this will stop the raid

Nice retardation OP.
That's a surefire way to waste another thread with inane shitposting.

>>9962769
This. Also a /pol/fag. I come to /lit/ to get AWAY from that shit. If you guys can't recognize a troll when you see it, I don't know what to say.

Anyway, this isn't a thread about /pol/. I just finished Dying Earth, and already read Demon Princes and The Languages of Pao. Loved it all. Where should I go next, Vancewise?

>>9962769
Its pretty clearly someone from 4+4chan shitposting. I remember someone linking one of their threads a few month back in here and it was the cringiest underage shit of them bragging about getting replies.

So, any fantasy or scifi about quarantined groups of people (or other races/aliens)? Maybe something similar to Metro 2033? They're not exactly quarantined but humans have fled underground and they try to keep the monsters out.

>>9962728
>>What sff book are you reading?
Been trying to find some time to read Gloriana
>>What sff book you last read?
Phoenix in Obsidian. Fucking awesome(Yes i love the Moorcock)
>>What sff book are you going to read next?
Gonna take a break from the Eternal Champion stuff and pick up Gormenghast.

>>9962804
Speaking of Moorcock, i just want a clarification on something.
When the OP image of selected fantasy books includes Elric of Melnibone, I assume we mean the entire saga. Because Stormbringer is the shit.

>>9962807
Thank you OP for another awful thread.

>>9962807
You're only proving how good a troll it is.

>Bauchelain and Korbal Broach

Is this shit good? I want necromancy but not malazan 10 book epic series

what's that one fantasy series where the authors (there were two authors that worked on it) made a whole elf language (like literally a whole giant language, like Tolkien, not just one-off words) and grammatical system. all of their elves had incredibly long names too.

i know that's not incredibly unique for fantasy, but that's all I can remember.

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>>9962728

writing post-apocalyptic GRI conan+cute girl (male) duo story here, if I were to post an excerpt would anyone want to read it? The excerpt is over 6,000 words, might go up to 7 when I finish later today. If I posted it, what hosting method would be preferred, jpg screencap or pastebin or something else I don't know about (don't want to use googledocs desu)

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Just wrapped up the entire Discworld series. Engaging throughout but the first 4-5 and last 4-5 were kinda weak.

What should be next on the list? Preferably trilogies or shorter. Pic related, I've checked off whatever I've read so far.

>>9962902
Way of Shadows if you want something cheesy and is a trilogy.

>>9962902
Try Tim Powers, K J Parker or Guy Gavriel Kay. All have plenty of standalones or shorter series (duologies, trilogies).

>>9962812
Yeah, aren't there other series where they just list the first entry?

Am I gonna cry when I get to Stormbringer? I've heard it's gut-wrenching and devastating.

>>9962787
Ditto, I just finished House on the Borderland. Try reading Hodgsin sometime, it's a real trip.

>>9962934
He's high on my list.

>What sff are you reading?
nothing
>what sff book you last read
lord of the rings
>what sff book are you going to read next
i want to read book of the new sun but i think im going to save that for my personal end of the year book/book series. hopefully book of the new sun with cap off the end of the year like lotr did.

im up for suggestions for right now though.

>>9962912
I forgot to mark Night Angel, Farseer, Witcher and Once and Future King.

>>9962913
Anyway, I'm leaning towards either The Anubis Gates (I'd read The Drawing of the Dark earlier) or the Tyrants and Kings trilogy by John Marco.

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>>9962949
You failed to provide any preferences :3

>>9962949
Anything Jack Vance. Demon Princes for SciFi, Tales of the Dying Earth for Fantasy.

>>9962949
blindsight lad

>/pol/

speak of the devil

>>9962976
Can't go wrong with the Anubis Gates. Along with Declare it's the best book I've read by Powers.

Who can you all recommend for offbeat/weird fantasy, similar to the following:

>Clive Barker
>Neil Gaiman
>Fritz Lieber
>China Mieville
>Michael Moorcock
>Mervyn Peake
>Mary Shelley
>Jack Vance
>Gene Wolfe
>Roger Zelazny

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Do any works explore the fact we evolved from rats?

Is there a place where I can just download books for free?

>>9963032
Yeah its call the internet

>>9963016
The Book of All Hours

>>9963034
Where do I find this net

>>9963040
read the sticky you plebhead

>>9963042
Cheers m8

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>>9962770
I just got it too, the mother fucker, kek

>>9962728
>>What sff book are you reading?
The way of kings. Just about to read the last 100 pages.
>>What sff book you last read?
The thran
>>What sff book are you going to read next?
The 3rd book of the artifact cycle. I'm starting to think magic the gathering lore is filled with cuck novels.

Also, started the writing board of a new story about demons and humans. I'll use the demon cycle as a reference on how not to fuck the world builded and characters.

>>9962902
Equal Rites is amazing, the hell man. Of course Guards! Guards! is probably the high point of the series and one of the high points of fantasy in general.

I've managed to write exactly one paragraph of the rise and fall of Nazi Germany set in a fantasy realm but the Germans are the good guys.

>>9962861
please respond to my post

>>9963120

are they Nazi Germany™ or Notzi Jermoney?

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>>9963174
I'm not sure if this is a /lit/ meme or just a bad joke or what, I don't usually post here.

Here we go lads. Be gentle.

The rolling plains between the Bluestone Mountains and the Haldrin River are a region of excess. Excess crops; for those farmers tilling its night black soil. Excess riches; for the miners in the foothills. And excess beauty; for the sun that crests the mountains every morning to burn away the morning fog that sleeps on the fields of grain and the villages that straddle Haldrin’s tributaries.
Cradled in these idyllic plains the Furin nation prospers. Husbands and fathers work diligently for the mothers of their numerous children, who grow strong and proud knowing that they are the heirs to a great land.

>>9963016
Pic related.
And Jasper Fforde I guess. For some indiscernible reason I am already on book 4 of the Thursday Next series.

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>>9963016
>>9963275
damn it

>>9963236

I was asking if it was literally the Third Reich transported into a fantasy world, or a fantasy version of the third reich (Not-Germany). Seems like the latter.

It's not great but I've read worse. The idyllic opening scene can lack interest, just as a word of advice, so if that's your first paragraph you might consider if there's enough to really "hook" a reader.

Probably too early to worry about that, "write now, edit later" is a meme containing good advice

>>9963286
>It's not great but I've read worse.

And what I mean by this is, literally "It's not the best thing I've ever read, but is above the standards of most first-try, and plenty that gets published." Keep banging away and make sure you're trying to tell a story that leads to your thesis/worldview, not hammering a worldview into your readers eyesockets with the camouflage of a story

>>9963286
>>9963313
Thanks m8 I appreciate the feedback. I'll be honest I've really fallen out of writing and I'm just doing my best right now to get back into it. It's coming in kicks and jumps.

What's a good fantasy book where a grown woman gets spanked?

>>9963473
OBJECTION!
Anon is leading the witness!

>>9962764
That depends. Are you a faggot? If so then you probably shouldn't read Undying Mercenaries because it's wonderfully pulp and pulp is only for large-penised warrior kings.

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>>9963498
Can't really be a large-penised warrior king if you're too much of a pussy to sexually dominate other men.

>>9963473
Wheel of Time according to what I hear, for a given value of good.

>>9963528

Reeee tell me where to host my gay fapfic already fuccboi

>>9962787
To Live Forever (aka "Clarges", what a terrible name) for a shorter work or Lyonesse for something longer.

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What's the consensus on the all souls trilogy? Is it worth reading?

>>9963677
>Deborah
I think you know.

>>9963753
>Harkness
>when the author's name sounds like a mary sue character name

>>9963677
First two books were great. Then the author took years to release the third. By the time I read it all my hype was gone.

It was about Witches and Vampires. Was bretty gud, if I do say so myself. Scratched an itch I had years ago.

>>9963753
>>9963836
Fuck off /pol/ samefag

>>9963753
>>9963836
>I need to reply to myself twice

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Calm down.

>>9963473
>>9963530
Definitely WoT

>>9963926
>>9963952
>I need to autisticscreechpost twice in a row

thread is absolute shit today, lads

>>9963992
>thread is absolute shit today, lads
I know mane The raid in the last thread fucked this one up

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If we can tolerate a subject change...

I'm the anon from the last thread who was asking about Elric. I found the first book for ten dollars, so I ordered it. Excited to try it when it arrives. Thanks all for the info. I also ordered some Leigh Brackett and some Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, what am I in for?

>pic unrelated, the Undine comes to Severian after he has fallen into Gyoll

>>9964085
Good picks. Now get some Gemmell in your life.

>>9964085
>Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser,

This has been in my to-read folder for a while, I have high hopes for when I finally get around to it. I like the Elric books, but they can feel a little "that's it?" after you finish. Pretty quick reads for me. Honestly found Melnibonean society and military campaigns more interesting than Elric's journeys, wish there had been more of that

>>9963992
Nice b8

>>9964107
>I like the Elric books, but they can feel a little "that's it?" after you finish.
John Wright actually summed this up perfectly about Moorcock's Elric stuff. He said since it's inherently nihilistic there's nothing for the stories to aspire or ascend to: they're just basic adventure stories. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but when a writer makes everything nihilistic then where the hell do you take it? Nowhere because there's nowhere for you to take it.

>>9964107
>>9964148
I love Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser.

The Elric stuff is much better in the broader context of the Eternal Champion. It becomes far more meaningful, I think.

>>9964095
One step ahead of ya buddy! That's sitting on my shelf waiting for me once I finish my second reading of BotNS. Thanks for the rec

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Palmer Eldritch did nothing wrong

How is The Night Angel trilogy? Is It GRI approved?

I have realized far too late that my novel is missing something important

it's set in a circus, so where are the clowns

I don't have a hilariously unnatural clown species with features such as balloon animal physiology, sumptuous meat, and multiple rows of regular human teeth that open and close separately

>>9964450
Yeah actually it has all of GRI, but it garners controversy because of how edgy it is. If you like darker stuff you'll like it.

>>9964450
Its kinda fun. Comes off as edgy at first but later on you realize how the edgelord character is the best.

Only mark against it is the main heroine is fucking awful, thankfully shes not around THAT much.

Arts of Dark and Light has orc rape. And two gay soldiers get executed. But no incest so far.

>>9963016
Add Lafferty to the list.

>>9964107
Poorly written, with resolution by pushing a magic button so both of them survive. I would pass.
Elric is a go.

how people in here are working on novels?

>>9962791
It's actually a concerted effort by people pretending to be communists to try and get /pol/ deleted, I kid you not. Their plan is to false flag as /pol/ posters and shit up all the boards to try and turn the mods/posters on /pol/.

They do not realize /pol/ was created as a containment board.

>>9962876
just post it m8

>>9964517
Bullshit.

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>>What sff book are you reading?
Flight of the Lazarus (book 2 of a series)
>>What sff book you last read
Fusion Heart (book 1 of the series)
>>What sff book are you going to read next?
If this one goes how I think it will, I'll read the third one. Otherwise I'll reread Foundation. So far there's been some surprises despite it feels like some kind of teen novel. Is it true the writer started here? I heard about these in another thread about some gas station guy. Is it a meme?

Hermit here -- Is steampunk still a popular genre, or have people more or less moved on?

>>9964542
Problem with steampunk is the fact that all its literary showcases are absolute hogshit. Goes for cyberpunk too, minus the first 60 pages of Neuromancer and Altered Carbon.

>>9964542
Steampunk is trash and always was. Was it ever popular?

>>9964554
Anime drive genre.

>>9962876
Pastebin.

someone here recommended Name of the Wind to me, about to start reading it. what am I in for?

>>9964577
Please, anon, this meme will never take off.

>>9964581
what meme?

>>9964489
>>9964468
Thanks lads. Any other good GRI recommendations?

>>9964577
A thousand pages of a hero's intrepid quest to pay his student loans

>>9964577
>what am I in for?
Someone post the page where the MC was being a cuck and talking about how great it felt that despite that man fucking his girlfriend she truly loved him.
I never remember to save it for shitposting purposes

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Look at this nigga Rothfuss. Really pham?

>>9964617
>-Allow me to interject for a moment

>What sff book are you reading?

Too Like The Lightning. It's better than I expected, since I don't really like "soft SF."

Silverglass. Generic but entertaining sword and sorcery story about a swordswoman and a sorceress.

The Hangman's Daughter. SF story about a ex-space marine who hijacks a space prison ship to use the prisoners as mercenary cannon fodder to uncover who murdered her father. IMO the author is trying a bit too hard to portray the main character as a sociopath and it just ends up being kinda annoying. 50/50 chance I'll drop it.

>What sff book you last read?

Alloy of Law, didn't like the last two books in the first Mistborn trilogy but this seems better.

>What sff book are you going to read next?

Dunno, probably just more "light" stuff, since I've got some textbook heavy classes this semester.

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>"I've had a terrible experience," Leo said, "in Palmer Eldritch's domain. He's a damned magician, Barney. He did all kinds of things with me, things you and I never dreamed of. Turned himself for instance into a little girl."
*unzips Dick*

>>9964617
Looks like child abductor Brian Blessed

>>9964617
Driebus more like Diabeetus

>>9964707
I got the diabeetus

>>9963115
hows the way of kings? one of those books im always on the cusp of reading

>>9964617

walnut dankgrass? what a stupid fucking bitch, you can bet she browses reddit.

>>9964514
I thought about it. I read a lot of SF and fantasy books, as well as classics, and I studied English Literature to a degree level, so you might expect I could write something passable if I tried. Well, it turns out that writing fiction is a tremendously difficult thing to do, even at the research stage, and the undertaking made me appreciate the efforts of even middling writers. I came to the conclusion that you can't approach writing with intellectual curiosity, or in a casual way - it must be a matter of passion, or else you won't want to sit for long hours editing stories, ironing out continuities and basic plausibility (where did the palace get its marble, how is this city feeding itself, how long is a journey from X to Y, can a desert/marsh/lake exist in this kind of terrain, etc) as well as figuring out an interesting plot.

I came away from it with the appreciation that fantasy writers have to be worldly people with a broad general knowledge, with the patients of saints, and that any published book represents a tremendous amount of time and effort. I think it actually is a divine calling, because who would volunteer for such drudgery?

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>>9964923
>because who would volunteer for such drudgery?
Autismos.

>>9962794
>fantasy or scifi about quarantined groups of people
A. Merrit, The Moonpool (public domain), Edmond Hamilton, The Monsters of Jotunheim and Jeff Long, The Descent

>>9964514
working on a novella, and am in preliminary research for a novel way down the line

>basic plausibility (where did the palace get its marble, how is this city feeding itself, how long is a journey from X to Y, can a desert/marsh/lake exist in this kind of terrain, etc)

to be perfectly honest, i don't think most authors really think these things through. if you leave enough gaps, you can always assume there's a source of marble somewhere unmentioned. after all, do you know where you get your marble? no, but you have faith that the world fills in the gap for you. it's always been that way – it would be odd if a narrative did go out of its way to ask where mineral deposits are, etc., unless it impacts the plot. unless it's basic infrastructure and technology, like whether people have access to tin-bronze, some method of making steel, etc. but desu no one will ever bat an eye at people having access to mud-brick, limestone/marble, granite, and so on. if it's a big deal, you might have to go out of your way – like if you construct an environment with few trees, it might be questionable what's available for woodworking.

a way to skimp on this is just by modeling your world loosely on an existent culture, and carve it roughly with the geographical features that real culture existed in. since it happened irl, you know it can happen, so the gaps fill in for you.

>>9963032
>Is there a place where I can just download books for free?
gutenberg.org, manybooks.net if you want to keep it legal

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>>9963032

>>9964923
Or you can just have a good imagination and the discipline to spend a few hours everyday shitting out words onto paper and you're golden. What I've learned it that all that "preparation" is incredibly tedious, difficult, complex, and it all flies out the window after five minutes of keyboard bashing. Just stream of consciousness that shit and come back with a mop and bucket to clean up some of the splatter.
That's how some guys write a book every few months, and some take ten years. Planning is the devil, retroactive foreshadowing is your friend.

>>9964514
Here. I'm making decent progress and finally getting the hang of discipline. If I can keep up my average for the next four months I'll have a complete book by new years.

Realistically though, I'm going to need at minimum a month of editing to rewrite the first act, and even then there's a whole lot I need to patch up,

One of my bigger concerns is that a lot of elements of the setting are completely ignored in favor of the plot, but I'm not sure how to fit them in.

>>9965071
plot should be crucially driven by the setting to begin with, not an abstract series of events that you could plop anywhere

when will plotfags learn?

>>9965080
Worldbuilding is overrated. You can more or less make up the world as you go and have great fantasy stories.

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So I just finished this awesome series and now I'm sad

>Tfw you will never have a psychically bonded organic starship BFF
>Tfw you will never live inside a huge organic habitat full of other psychically bonded BFFs and orbiting a gas giant
>Tfw you will never have the memories and personalities of every dead ancestor available to talk to at any time
>Tfw you will never a monopoly on helium-3
>Tfw you will never be an edenist

>>9965080
It's a character-driven story dealing with personal struggles, not politics. The setting plays a role in the story, but it shows everything from the inside, leaving the exterior perspective. It's like having a story about watches that only ever shows gears and springs

the setting in question is a circus yet we only ever see the backstage, and the private moments of the characters lives that are relevant to the story or their development. I want to show the spectacle, the performances, and most importantly the clowns

>>9965080
you sound like a sci-fi nerd. mad that you can't coast along on your batshit """theories""" and worldbuilding alone? some genres actually need decent characters and an actual plot so that people don't throw their shit in the garbage, kid.

go suck off your meme authors like watts, palmer, and stephenson some more, sci-cuck.

>>9965109
He's definitely /swco/

>>9964514
I'm working on a fantasy novel.

>>9964514
working on it. its not good but im basically just writing in hopes that eventually ill get the hang of it.
it's a fantasy story. dont know how long it is.

>tfw when you try to write something, but it's just 'stream of consciousness' writing with only action scenes and nothing clever at all

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>>9964514
I have a great collection of ideas and stuff for a novel but until I'm a better writer I'm saving them. For now I write short stories and novellas for practice.

>>9965233
At least you can write, I can't stop shitposting on the Internet in my free time.

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I hope all you aspiring authors are working on those tax policies.

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>>9965327
I've actually thought about writing a fantasy novella only about tax policies.

>>9965327
At least he realized no one wants to actually read about tax policies in fantasy and left that shit out of his mediocre books. He still has no idea what fantasy means.

Hey lit, i liked songs of the dying earth, first anthology book i have read, can You guys recommend some fantastic anthologies? It doesn't really matter if it's fantasy or science fiction.

>>9963166
hello

>Unicorns are carnivorous geniuses that represent a trans-universal empire eternally at odds with the elves
what the fuck Sapkowski

>>9963029
Second Apocalypse by R. Scott Bakker actually has one of the few fantasy worlds where evolution via natural selection is true and acknowledged by at least one in-universe faction.

>>9963473
The White Luck Warrior

>>9965465
The whole series is about subverting classic fantasy tropes. Are you that surprised?

>>9965494
No but that was an especially weird one.

>>9965500
Thoughts on the series?

>>9965494
>subverting classic fantasy tropes
Sure signs of a hack.

Today is the day of Harry Potter's epilogue.

>>9965109
>>9965092
>>9965112
>tfw /sffg/ is bullying you

tfw I can't find a book to read

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>>9965539
It really is.
>I can't write or come up with anything new so I'm going to twist what is into a mockery
Reminds me of Morgoth.
>>9965581
What kind of books do you like?

If I've got and plan to read The Children of Hurín, do I skip the chapter in The Silmarillion?

>>9964554
It wasn't popular as a book genre. It was popular as a fashion meme.

>>9965601
>What kind of books do you like?
Books about rogues.
Thieves, assasin's, rebels, conmen, etc
Preferably fantasy, but sf is okay

>>9965616
Nah, just take a break and read something else between the Silmarillion and The Children. Skipping the chapter will just confuse you.

>>9965632
Have you read Matthew Stover's Caine books?

>>9965632
Morningstar by David Gemmell is right up your alley.

Don't mind me, just shilling my fantasy and science fiction book collection again. There are plenty of seeders now and the torrents are pretty quick.

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>>9965647
Yeah, it's pretty comfy. The series gets worse as it goes on though imo
>>9965648
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>9965680
>Thanks, I'll check it out.
Also check out Brutal by James Alderdice if you like the idea of A Fistful of Dollars or Yojimbo in a fantasy setting.

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>>9964525
>>9964556

O-ok

https://pastebin.com/SBD7pZDP

I'm working on illustrating it also, pic related is my reference for the two characters (don't click if you want to imagine them looking however you want) Jak is blond, Tin has dark hair and also no tits cause that's fucking gay. I include it because the excerpt is going to be either chapter 3 or split into chapter 3 and 4, so the physical descriptions have already happened in chapter 1 (I kind of hate when characters are described every single time they appear in a new narrative arc).

Also there's an introductory note you can skip. I've proofread the excerpt a couple times, but it's still only a second or third draft. Concerned, as I said before, about the legibility of the dialects, and also the juxtaposition of fap-material with narrative.

>>9965327

My setting explores a truly anarcho-capitalist world. nobody pays for the roads—NOBODY.

>>9965447
Time and the Gods, by Dunsany. A collection of Clark Ashton Smith's short stories, or any collection of shorts by an author you like.

>>9965639
Thanks for the advice, I'll read the Hobbit

Is there an epub or mobi that collects all of CAS's Zothique stories? I know they're all uploaded at.eldritchdark.com, but I'd like them on my PC in a single ebook file.

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I want to read about witches doing witch stuff. Any recommendations?

>>9965755
the dialect you're writing the dialogue in is fucking annoying
it can pass if it's one character but having the leads speak like that for the whole book is irritating

>>9965854
In the Days of the Witch-Queens

>>9965009
Thank you, anon!

>>9965755
Interesting setting, but like the other anon said, the dialect is 'annoying'.

>>9965648
Have you got an epub? The one on libgen is shit quality (line breaks are fucked)

>>9965910
not him
bib retail
https://transfer.sh/yCEz6/Morningstar%20-%20David%20Gemmell.epub

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>>9965910
Also in the future read this image and read it well because usually libgen will get the shit versions especially compared to mobilism and IRC. Check every site in this diagram that you have access to in that order and you are unlikely to miss anything because most books come off OD and the public sites have everything in 99.99% of cases.

>>9965910
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/7499516/David_Gemmell_ePub_Collection_(31_Books)

>>9962728
>wut readin
Warlock of the magus world, arifureta, waiting to find another series worth picking up.
>last buk
Gotrek and felix, elf slayer.
>wut next
Interested in that throne of bones series but can't find epubs

>>9965505
Bretty good. You can tell he didn't originally plan for it to be a series and honestly liked the short stories better, but they're a good read. Not really like anything else I've read in fantasy, some nice feels. Actually has themes and shit instead of just being a giant soap opera with dragons which is something genre fiction writers still struggle with.

>>9965539
Still mad you couldn't win that lawsuit huh Moorcock?

>>9965601
>>I can't write or come up with anything new so I'm going to twist what is into a mockery
There's literally nothing new to write tho

>>9964450
I can't actually remember any GRI in them. Been a few years since I read them.

Speaking of Sapkowski is there any chance of there ever being an English translation of the Hussite series?

>>9965928
Cheers
>>9965940
Thanks, I'm on bib but I can't torrent on uni internet :(

>>9966021
>Interested in that throne of bones series but can't find epubs
All the books are on mobilism.

>>9966036
That's where VPSes come in handy because they're as cheap as a VPN and can double up as a small seedbox.

>>9966028
>Still mad you couldn't win that lawsuit huh Moorcock?
The irony being Moorcock did the whole 'subverting tropes' with Sword & Sorcery when he wrote Elric.

>>9966044
The concept of subverting tropes is Moorcock's intellectual property.

>>9966044
>>9966050
I'm about 80% sure someone told him that the character was an Elric knockoff, he skimmed the Wiki, saw he was an antihero called the White Wolf, assumed it was legit, and sued without really considering it. Especially since nothing ever came of the case and it was never mentioned by either again after a very brief time.

>>9966038
The ones by vox day?

>>9966084
Still, sure taught that Pollack faggot not to include an homage to a writer he liked in his work.

>>9966084
>saw he was an antihero called the White Wolf,
Is Geralt even an anti-hero outside of the short stories? His values and motives are pretty traditionally heroic in the actual novels.

>What sff book are you reading?
Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay
>What sff book you last read?
Lions of Al Rassan and Beyond the blue event horizon from Pohl. I kinda finished them both at the same time.
>What sff book are you going to read next?
Most likely Valis by Dick

>>9966091
Yes. All the Arts of Dark and Light books are on mobilism. Read them in this order:

The Last Witchking
The Wardog’s Coin
Summa Elvetica: A Casuistry of the Elvish Controversy and Other Stories (Arts of Dark and Light Book 0)
A Magic Broken
A Throne of Bones (Arts of Dark and Light Book 1)
A Sea of Skulls (Arts of Dark and Light Book 2).

>>9966107
>The Last Witchking
Read the overview, it looks like garbage.

>>9966122
Stick to Harry Potter then, scrub.

>>9966096
Yeah, Moorcock can be a bit of an ass. I wonder what he'd say if Sapkowski actually just said, "Hey, man, I just really admire your work and included the nickname as an homage."

Hell, maybe that's why the suit didn't go anywhere. Evel Knievel dropped his lawsuit against Kanye after the two sat down and talked.

>>9966098
No idea. I haven't read them.

>>9966127
Why would you recommend something just as bad?

>The Hoblets of Wiccam Fensboro, is a tale of survival and the triumph of simple human decency in the face of brutality and defeat.

Gross.

>>9966134
>No idea. I haven't read them.
Well his main character flaws are more to do with being kind of emotionally retarded than being an edgelord looking for revenge or loving to murderdeathkill but feeling bad about it or whatever. His motives are basically just to protect his family in the books. Pretty straight forward.

I guess maybe you could argue he's an antihero because he doesn't care about "saving the world" or whatever but the Witcher books weren't really a save the world plot. Just three people trying to survive a war where everyone is kind of a dick.

>>9966134
>I wonder what he'd say if Sapkowski actually just said, "Hey, man, I just really admire your work and included the nickname as an homage."
Even though that's probably the reason he called Geralt the White Wolf and referenced the Conjunction of the spheres, I can't see Sapkowski ever saying this. Too much of an asshole.

>>9966139
Not edgy enough for you?

>>9966160
The irony being it's plenty edgy since it's a Holocaust parable.

>>9966181
About time someone had the courage to call out the Nazis. Maybe soon we'll even see a take down of Apartheid.

>>9966190
Vox Day is as far from an anti-nazi SJW as you can get. But what's funny is the hobblets (jews) are described as thieves in the story kek.

>>9966181
Is it specifically the Holocaust? Not the post-war internment camps where millions of Germans where starved and tortured to death?

>>9966194
>anti-nazi SJW

>>9964903
Memes aside, it's really entertaining and my favorite fantasy book as of now. The beginning is slow because it builds characters and lore. At page 800 or so it hits you with everything it gots.
There are a couple anime like shounen moments throughout, so that's fun too.

>>9966181
It can't be a parable of a fictional thing. The holohoax is pure fantasy.

>>9966197
No. Some orcs show up in a goblin village and the goblins hide away the hobblets who live there because the orcs hate them and kill em on site. It's a pretty meh story though and isn't really part of the canon of Arts of Dark and Light so it can be skipped.

>>9964595
Black Jewels Trilogy
Prince of nothing series
Let the right one in

What is GRI?

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>>9966305
>i posted the question again mom
If you aren't memeing, and you're actually serious about knowing. Pic related.

>>9966308

Are you okay anon?

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I packed all of Vox Day's fantasy books into one archive and numbered them for convenience. I call it the Vox Box. If anyone wants to read fantasy not written by a subversive then I recommend at least trying this one out, it's pretty comfy and it's actually quite good.

https://my.mixtape.moe/wwgzxt.zip

>>9966035
Not unless they make a successful vidya based on it.

>>9966312
Don't you see someone asks what is GRI every thread?

What's GRI? Also, a female coworker recommended me The Name of the Wind, what am I in for?

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Never mind this left-right crap. What's some good fantasy for pic related? I want Stirner-influenced egoist fantasy.

>>9966372
A terrible, terrible book.

>>9966370

I don't spend all day here.

>>9966384
>>>/out/

>>9966321
Vox needs to tree-stamp more of his books. I only read dead trees.

>>9966372
see>>9966308

Haven't read it but i know is hated in /sffg/ which means it's recommended by /sffg/

Must be nice to talk to your co workers about books. Let alone a female one. I once saw this thin chick eating alone in the cafeteria with a book on her hand. Not a smartphone like all the dumb bitches that normally sit alone. She had something in her eye, like she couldn't focus with it, i don't know what it's called in English. I thought she was kind of cute.But could never bring myself to ask a girl about a book she is reading out of nowhere.

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>>9966381
What would that even look like?

>>9966397
>But could never bring myself to ask a girl about a book she is reading out of nowhere.
Come on, why not? Girls like people taking an interest in them and what they do.

>>9966395
Agreed, I know A Sea of Skulls is coming into print eventually but I want more nice hardcovers than just A Throne of Bones and Summa Elvetica on my shelf.

>>9966401
Not sure. The easiest thing would be some kind of slave revolt where the protagonist just opposes slavery out of personal hatred for it without claiming it's a moral thing but it could vary wildly.

>>9965672
Why are there two torrents?

>>9966397
>Let alone a female one
Amos the all of my coworkers are female. It's like some kind of harem manga honestly.

>>9966428
>Amos
*Almost

>>9966427
One is science fiction and the other is fantasy.

>>9966434
Where do you put BotNS?

>>9966397
It's been at least 6 months since I lent the entire Foundation series to a coworker, and she hasn't started them yet. It's probably time for me to repress my autism and ask for some of them to be returned.

>>9966464
It's in the fantasy one due to being a part of the Fantasy Masterworks series which are collected there.

>>9966397
>reading paper books when I can store thousands and thousands of books on a phone and ftp into my server
So you're one of those anti technology dumbasses.

>>9966467
Don't lend out books you want for yourself, anon.

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The ending sucked. It was the science fiction equivalent of "they lived happily ever after". I think the author grew too fond of his creation and got scared to write a real conflict so he basically just gave them superpowers and a moral high ground, ignoring all the bad he had already wrote previously they had done. It was basically "humanity sucks and has war in their blood, unlike this other species here that besides being born killers that must ignore their base instincts, can live happy in nature. Also they have magic technology otherwise they would never be able to compete with humanity"

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>>9966481
You need to read pic related.

>>9966485
I know. I have a hard time saying no to people. Later I found a box full of Asimov at a thrift store for $5 and I think it has everything I lent out, so it's not too bad.

>>9966489
I don't think I've ever seen this book spoken of positively on /lit/ so you have only yourself to blame.

Any books about a necromancer as the main character?

Or maybe just any fantasy with lots of magic in it, but in such a way that makes sense (not out of the author's ass as an ex machina) but not too restricted either. I've partially read mistborn and didn't like it too much, so I don't want to try sanderson again any time soon.

Bonus points if it has interspecies interaction.

>>9966515
>Bonus points if it has interspecies interaction.
OwO

>>9966509
I was so bored I just picked it randomly out of the internet. It's really hard to read anything that comes exclusively out of here. It wasn't a complete waste of my time, though. I've read much worse.

>>9966515
Sabriel supposedly.

>>9966321
what format?

>>9966541
Epub.

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>reading fire upon the deep
>boy joins pack
>packs are know for raping each other
Please tell me the boy fucks a puppy that gives him the "bedroom eyes" likes like nala gave simba in lion king

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>>9966381
Get out and take your spooks with you.

>>9962861
It's not terribly good, no. Some fans have said it was where Erikson displayed his sense of humor, but it's nothing compared to the Tol Beddict and Bug interactions that were actually funny in Malazan. Instead the stories are basically a series of shaggy dog stories. The 'joke' is that they're anticlimactic and not funny.

>>9966565
But is it full of necromancy and shit?

>>9966515
Cabal ths necromancer
Abhorsen trilogy

>>9966552
Anon... IIRC packs raping each other didn't involve physical assault. It was more like stealing a pack member, or getting so close that the ultrasonic communication between members became commingled.

>>9966572
One of the short stories in the collection, the one set on a ship, was way full of necromancy and shit. The rest of the sequences were pretty low on it.

For a travelogue about two dark wizards and their servant who's effectively their slave, they spend remarkably little time doing any dark wizard shit.

>>9966464
>>9966476
BotNS? Book of the New Sun? It's in the science fiction collection too, in the "Wolfe, Gene" directory.

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any good recommendations on books about the simulation hypothesis?

>>9966596
No. No. I'm sure I heard it's physical rape. I want some puppy pucci to be torn up.

>>9966552
LOL, I'm currently 51% through "A Deepness in the Sky" on my kindle. Damme it drags.

>>9966552
>>9966610

No I already told you. It doesn't happen. Vinge is a wholesome writer.

>>9966600
all hail triple dubs bracketing the dark lords number

>>9966352
>Not unless they make a successful vidya based on it.
Europa Universalis IV was pretty successful. Is that not enough?

>>9966381
>I want Stirner-influenced egoist fantasy.
Unironically the Witcher. Geralt overcomes his origins to learn to care only about his property without fear along with his property Yennefer and the help of his other property Ciri.

>>9966606
As in it was all a dream?
Also
>guy's nipple is showing
>covers woman's nipples
Is milk coming from them or something?
Try
Perfect state by Brandon Sanderson

>>9966612
>Vinge is a wholesome writer.
Then wtf is he doing being shilled in sffg? The GRI capital of 4chan.

>>9966612
Dropped. Please recommend some degenerate writers of sci-fi instead.

>>9966636
Because he's fucking good, and his characters are well written. The very concept of characterization itself is a major plot point in "A Deepness in the Sky".

>>9966646
But i want puppy sluts getting dicked. And teenage space girls taking the knot.
At least tell me the library chick gets fucked by one of the mantis mouth aliens.

>>9966657
You disgust me.

>>9966590
>>9966534
Will check out, thanks, but to be honest I am not holding my breath. I think I'll probably drop the necromancer thing if this don't work out.

>>9966428
My work environment is in a open work space transition so I know what you mean. Most of them are engaged or has a boyfriend though.

>>9966410
Easy as fuck, right? I dunno ,man. It will sound beyond autistic but there is something that prohibits me to hit on a girl. It's like i don't want to be seen as a guy who tries to hit on a girl, you know what i mean? Like "i am so much better than this, girls should seek my attention instead".
I can chat with my co worker just fine even if she is a dumb-ass.

>>9965861
>>9965906

That's what I was afraid of, it's actually easier to go all in then have a very moderate phonetic accent. Did anyone even make it to the first sex scene before dropping it?

>>9966636
Oh, heehee, hawhaw, and other mirthful expressions.
>>9966657
unironically >>>/trash/ You'll find what you seek there.

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>>9966676
Where do you think you are?

>>9966597
That's a shame

>>9966725
>unironically >>>/trash/
Damn. That place is filled with trannies, fat fetish, pure gay, ponies, diapers

>>9966678
>It will sound beyond autistic but there is something that prohibits me to hit on a girl. It's like i don't want to be seen as a guy who tries to hit on a girl, you know what i mean?
> Like "i am so much better than this, girls should seek my attention instead".
It's called feminist nice guyism.

>>9966758
>t. I'm a gril

what the fuck is up with Valis? 50 pages in and it just seems like bukowski but with drugs instead of booze

>>9966753
Just like home, eh?

>>9966758
Just lurked that. Sounds anti-feminist as fuck. I like it.
>Nice Guys™ seem to regard a man's relationship with a woman as successful or valuable only if it is romantic or sexual in nature, i.e. friendship is failure.
So much for that. I actually don't believe friendship exists between a man and a woman.
But memes aside, I don't think that's it. Is more of a pride sort of thing. I don't wanna be seen as the guy who tries to hit on a girl maybe because I despise watching dudes trying too hard on hitting on girls. I just don't. When a girl comes to me and asks me if I want to eat together i don't have a problem being nice to her though.

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>>9966397
>But could never bring myself to ask a girl about a book she is reading out of nowhere.

>>9966626
Stirner actually argued against slavery as nonsensical so calling them his property is true in one sense but false in another.

>>9966797

Memes aside I'm pretty similar. I hate hitting on girls with a passion, partly because of deep-rooted fear of rejection, partly because I resent them for expecting me to jump through hoops.

>>9966890
I am the same. But I actually regret it. And I also pity girls for this fact too. Guys have a responsibility to hit on girls not just for themselves, but for the girls sake as well, seeing as they mostly never chase a guy they like on their own, that guy has to hit on her on his own. If he doesn't they'll likely never get together. It's like girls automatically give up the reins of their lives the moment they are born. If you don't hit on a girl you like you open up the possibility of a chad doing so and damaging the rest of her life.

>>9966890
>>9966929
>I am afraid to talk to women, they are so pathetic
can we just move this entire thread to /r9k/?

>>9966871
That could be it. It can be passed as "hey, someone has the same interests as me" or "this creepy dude is a fucking stalker"

I do have a story about this though. At high school, I went into the cafeteria and recognized some girl sitting on a table that was in my "drawing" class. I dunno why i approach to her, but I just did and tried to have a conversation. She wasn't very pretty but I talked to her anyways. I complimented her drawings and said goodbye. At class, I kept sitting next to my buddy, and she next to her i assumed was her best friend, but i would constantly greet her when I see her out of politeness.
One year later, some random day, I see her weeping next to her sister. I approach but they kind of wanted to push me away, hiding what had happened. Next day, as I went to that drawing class, another girl who was more of a friend than girl#1, told me what really happened. Apparently, girl#1 and her supposedly best friend have an argument over me. I was like "the fuck outta here". But she explained to me that girl#1 had a crush on me this whole time. And her friend, who i talked with very little but i did had her on messenger, said she was prettier and I didn't deserve girl#1. I was like "what the fuck is going on?"

The moral of the story is that girls are dumb and expect the guy to be interested in them all the time. I dunno if this is because they don't want to be cataloged as needy or sluts. Guys regularly don't mind being labeled as such. I do though. So i'm in a loophole where the only outcome is to die virgin and alone.

>>9966977

Are you literally Finnish? Because those are some pretty autistic-sounding grils

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>>9966678
>Like "i am so much better than this, girls should seek my attention instead"
I've had girls approach me and hit on me. It's pretty creepy to be honest and kind of makes them seem desperate.

>>9967006
I think all girls have severe autism deep down, some just hide it well.

>>9962728
Just started on Fifth Head of Cerberus, finished Left Hand of Darkness a couple of days ago. After that, I'm not sure.

>>9966883
Sapkowski's basically an an-cap so it still works

>>9966797
>>9966890
Most guys hate hitting on girls. You just pretend you don't and do it anyway. That's life.

>>9967006
>Are you literally Finnish? Because those are some pretty autistic-sounding grils
He's talking about highschool. Everyone is socially retarded then. Especially women.

>>9967008
I always like when this happens because it reminds me I have options. And it's nice being the one turning people down for a change.

>>9967048
Big names, anon. If you like Wolfe you might try out his New Sun quadrilogy. Or maybe Ender's Game? Dune? Forever War? Winter's End by Robert Silverberg? The Faded Sun trilogy by CJ Cherryh?

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>>9967077
>And it's nice being the one turning people down for a change
It's really not, I always feel bad about it.

>>9966515
Bauchelain and Korbal Broach.

>>9967177
Are those any good? I presume they're good, since its Erickson, but I figured I might as well ask.

>>9967179
Haven't read them, to be honest. I just know they're necromancers and allegedly quite entertaining.

>>9967064
Capitalism is anti-egoist because it relies on acknowledging the property of the bourgeoisie.

>"Egoism, as Stirner uses it, is not opposed to love nor to thought; it is no enemy of the sweet life of love, nor of devotion and sacrifice; it is no enemy of intimate warmth, but it is also no enemy of critique, nor of socialism, nor, in short, of any actual interest. It doesn’t exclude any interest. It is directed against only disinterestedness and the uninteresting; not against love, but against sacred love, not against thought, but against sacred thought, not against socialists, but against sacred socialists, etc." -Max Stirner, in Stirner's Critics

>>9967100
>New Sun, Ender's Game, Dune
Already read.

>Forever War
First book or whole series?

>>9967193
Stirner was so full of shit.

>>9967216
>Forever War
Just the original book, ignore the rest, you'll be severely disappointed.

>>9967193
so basically Sterner's egoism is just anything good and not anything that's bad?

>>9967254
yeah this is what I'm getting from it

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>I have no mouth and I must scream

>>9965672
Are these good quality?

>>9965544
And what a pointless epilogue that was.

>all the canon ships get married and have kids
>Malfoy stops being hostile
>Neville is a teacher

And basically nothing else.
An epilogue is supposed to say what happened to every single character of any importance, of which there were dozens in the series. But you gotta keep that sequel window open, even after the grand finale. Sigh.

>>9963236
I feel like the word "excess" is overused here, and it doesn't feel compelling enough to hook.

>>9967254
>>9967276
Stirner's argument was that any ideal can captivate people and become a distraction from material reality.

Freedom is an ideal and a distraction. If you're actually free, nobody has to tell you. The ideal of "Humanity" can be used to justify authoritarianism, but giving a shit about Humanity as an abstract is different from giving a shit about actual humans you encounter.

He was interested in the way that people can be caught up in moralistic claims about what they should and shouldn't value, rather than just considering the actual, concrete things they genuinely do value.

Quite a bit like Nietzsche, but with some different conclusions.

>>9967375
well damn the Witcher really is voluntary egoist lit

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Has anyone here read Armor?

really enjoyed the book desu

why do sci fi books consistently have the most shitty covers

>>9967216
>First book or whole series?
I have only read the first book, it's one of the great classic scifi novels of all time. Caused a HUGE controversy at he time, because of implied criticism of the vietnam war, female soldiers and sex between soldiers.

>>9967413
I have, maybe the best of all military scifi.

>>9967419
Because it ain't the 80's anymore, Sanchez.

>>9962728
Just read all of the Books of the Long Sun. Very enjoyable. Love that genre of pseudoscifi fantasy with religious/mysticism elements.

Planning on reading the Sun of the New Urth as well as Short Sun series by Gene Wolfe. Should I?

>>9967428
Btw. the only ones that come close IMHO are Starship Troopers and the first few of the Honor Harrington series by David Weber before she becomes unbearably Mary Sue. The first one in the series, Basilisk Station, is generally considered the best. Give it a try if you are looking for good military scifi. And maybe the Miles Vorkosigan books by Lois McMaster Bujold, although they are not truly military sf.

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>>9967440
Yes.

>>9967316
>not reading the one where he wants to fuck his fat dead aunt

>>9967444
>And maybe the Miles Vorkosigan books by Lois McMaster Bujold
Yes, seconded.

>>9967448
Is that Greg Egan?

>>9967523
Eugenio Loboe

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>>9967523
Don't insult Gene Wolfe, anon.

>>9962738
wut?

How much dialect in a character's dialogue does it take for /sffg/ to drop something? Are "ain't" and "ya" enough to get on your nerves? Does the prevalence of setting-jargon necessitate extremely clear speech in genre fiction? Is it off-putting for a character's dialogue to be written clearly but described as a "drawl" or "pidgin", as if the narrator is translating it for you? Any examples of very readable and comfy dialect-transcription?

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>>9967532
>>9967534
I meant the damsel in distress

>>9967554
If the character is interesting, i don't mind at all. I actually enjoy reading Lopen's interaction with Kaladin on The way of kings.

>>9967554
>Are "ain't" and "ya" enough to get on your nerves?
no
>Is it off-putting for a character's dialogue to be written clearly but described as a "drawl" or "pidgin", as if the narrator is translating it for you?
yes

>>9967568
that's because lopen is a small-time character
imagine if every single character talked like he was educated by a toothless illiterate hobo

>>9967554
If the character is black then you need to go full
>Mup da doodidda po mo gub dat tum muhfugen bix nood cof bin dub ho muhfugga
Otherwise it's just not realistic.

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>>9967419
All books have shitty covers these days. I don't think science fiction in particular is any worse than current fantasy covers.

Like >>9968027 says. Anything past a small-time character is a no no.
>but my mc, heroine, villain and everyone else is black
Do you want it to be accurate or interesting? You can't have both.

>>9968082
now he's gonna make him talk like the guy from my fair lady or some shit like that
the rain in spain will fall in the fucking plain motherfucker

>>9967563
No, it's anon. Although I highly suspect that Greg Egan is a tranny with all his gender stuff in his books so I see why you might think that.

>>9968071
That expression doesn't look like a scream so much as a "can you believe this asshole?".

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>>9967554
I dunno, how do you feel about pic related?

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>>9968104
I like how the guy only seems mildly annoyed by the tentacled alien messing up his space rocket.

>>9968114

For the cover alone, I'm sold.

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>>9968027
>>9968082
>>9968095

Thanks for the comments guys, have some (you)s.

I'll try smoothing at least my MCs' dialogue with just a little seasoning of contractions, and save the intense verbal sludge for secondary and tertiary characters. Wish I'd just posted a few paragraphs in a creative writing thread before vomiting out 20,000ish words...

Also planning to read Blood Meridian for inspiration, I think Faulkner needs to just be purged entirely from what I'm writing. I think for non-southerners and especially non-americans the lack of a clear irl reference point just makes it a chore to read instead of the intended "oh I know a guy who sounds just like that!" effect

>>9968044

I did

>>9968151
No reason to be annoyed. Perfect opportunity to show off in front of the brunette so rudely clutched to his chiseled man-abs. Why else even have a rocket?

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>>9968169
>I did
Tell me when your book is out and I'll buy a copy.

>>9968169
Lupoff writes some characters in an almost unreadable southern drawl. Might check it out and see how endurable it is.

>>9968151
All I see is
^w^ OwO

>>9968071
Who is that dude staring at me from the Bakker covers anyway?

>>9968291
Search the archives for "plate" and you'll find all the fanfiction we wrote about him.

>>9968324
just link your fanfiction if you're that proud of it faggot

>>9968337
Nah, it was a group effort and the posts are months apart.

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>>9967554
Dialect is generally a bad idea that people use as an attempt at characterization and voice instead of using actual personality and unique speech.

Are you writing from a place of knowledge? Or what you think people talk like from tv/movie depictions? Donna Tartt's Little Friend, for example, used Southern collquialisms I'd never heard of because I'm a Yankee and she's from Mississippi.

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>>9968114
lol @ that blurb

>>9967321
the fuck? No, the text is really poor resolution!