/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

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>>9988817
I think you know the answer.

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>>9988817
I wish George MacDonald was more of a meme around here.

>>9988779

why are there two threads reeee

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>tfw Borges invented and mastered worldbuilding by making fun of it before it existed

Eat your heart out, Sanderson.

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How does it feel knowing that when you think you want to read fantasy you really just want to kiss the Pope's big toe?

>>9988956

cue Gene Wolfe meems

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>>9988779

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>>9988870
It happens. I was putting off making a new one for reasons and someone else must have had the same idea.
>>9988779
Goofy 80's covers are also acceptable.

>>9988956
So is nicodemus saying that catholicism is just fantasy?

>If I through in a few well foreshadowed plot twists maybe people will think my bland book is great

>>9988976
Every time I see some fantasy babe dressed like that I think about how fucking awful it would be to bushwhack through a forest or skulk around in some sewer/dungeon. At least she's wearing boots.

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>>9988779

Anyone out there know of any character that compares to the humor that is Jack Vance's Cugel the Clever? Or is he really the funniest character in all of fiction?

>>9989057
I don't. Authors always feel the need to add comma with a heart of gold after such characters

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>>9989057
Clark Ashton Smith doesn't have the great characters, but there is a wry and ironic streak running through his Hyperborean and Averoigne stories in particular. Arrogant thieves, hapless or venal priests, mischievous wizards. His gods and demons also tend to be more meddling and capricious than Lovecraft's. While he is more morbid than REH and Lovecraft, he is undoubtedly the most humorous.

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>>9989057
>They were gay, these people of waning Earth

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>>9989034
As she is a Trollop, it's perfectly in character. Though I can appreciate your sentiments, the alternative is not to be contemplated.

>>9988928
As he did with Barthes' Death of the Author.

Oh fuck we have two sffg's going right now >> 9988793

>>9989257
oops >>9988793

>>9989203
Pierre Menard >>>>> Cervantes

>>9989136

Thanks, I will have a look.

>>9989257
>going

>>9989257
save it for later. we're here now.

>>9988989
Don't say that. I was just in another thread where an anon was getting mad that people were equating religion with magic, and God with a wizard. Though I fail to see how the comparison is inaccurate...

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>>9988793
>Next SFF Book you are planning to read?
Going to start Revelation Space... again. I just can't seem to stick with that thing, not sure why.

>>9988779
>Post lovely SFF cover paintings
I really should start saving more of these. Ugh, don't you hate it when the art is worse than what you imagined in your head? Still have to read Judas Solution. I love how Zahn doubled-down on the retro setting (they still use tapes!) despite writing the last book in 2006.

>>9989420
Why would they get mad? God is the greatest of wizards, for He is the Most Wise. Magic is real.

Is the Second Apocalypse worth reading? Does it have a satisfying conclusion?

>>9989490
Never heard of this before, decided to skim TV Tropes.
>Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: This series is unrelentingly dark and negative. Every character hates everybody else, they all live in a Crapsack World and there's no humor at all, not even of the gallows variety. After a while you wonder why you should care if any of these characters live or die.
As for a conclusion, it doesn't look like the series is even finished.

>>9989515
>you wonder why you should care if any of these characters live or die.

What a shitty reason to read a story.

>>9989540
>What a shitty reason to read a story.
Why?

>>9989515
>Never heard of this before, decided to skim TV Tropes.
Please tell me you don't do this before you actually start something. Even if you don't it's a good way to zap all the creativity in your mind to the point you think everything's a fucking trope.

>>9989420

Do wizards generally exist eternally, before and after all of reality, which they also create out of nothing?

>>9989550
I usually avoid reading the full entries if it's something I'm interested in. But when it's to get the gist of something I'll usually skim the page. Since I usually don't think about tropes as I'm in the middle of reading something, I think I'm OK.

>>9989554
Only the most powerful ones. But to put this another way
>Do wizards generally defy reality?
Only always.

Same. Skimming a tvtropes page gives me a much better idea of if its actually something I'm interested in than the equivalent wikipedia page, or even some goodreads pages.

>>9989589
I can't trust GoodReads. I never see anything there get less than 3.5 stars.

>>9989570
It's only a matter of time.

>>9989597
True, but the reviews can be illuminating. I remember there was a 1 star City of Stairs review that pushed me to grab a book.

Help me lads. I'm looking for stories in which a leader type transfers their memories to their successors, making a kind of immortal leader. So far I have BotNS, The 100 and Attack on Titan. Are there any other stories with this motif?

>>9989599
Maybe, but I've been on it for years and it hasn't happened yet. The closest thing that happened recently was thinking Seinfeld is Unfunny about a character that was an inch away from being the walking stereotype of an edgy character/Drizzt clone, but the book was written before that was popular, and before Drizzt was made.

>>9989608
I'm curious. What happened?

>>9989624
I think this happened in a 40K series. Path of the Eldar, I think, but I'm pretty sure it was just something at the end, not a huge theme. Uh... Sector General?

>>9989627
>What do you get when you cross Gene Wolfe's "Book of the Long Sun" with Beowulf, "Moby Dick", "The Wizard of Oz", "Crime and Punishment", and throw in some steampunk for good measure?
>You get this book, and it's an incoherent mess.

The review opened with this, and I thought, god damn I need to read this. I don't know where she got half of these comparisons, but I loved the book.

>>9989648
>she
There's your problem.

>>9989649
Pretty much an inevitability on goodreads. Aren't women like 60-80% of book buyers? So even for sff, there's gonna be tons of female reviewers. I don't much care though.

>>9989648
OK, I'll have to give it a shot then. But speaking of
>Book of the Long Sun
Is this any good? I read a summary and it sounds like a random collection of sidequests ripped from a video game.

>>9989637
Thanks. Doesn't have to be a major theme, this motif just really revs my neurons for some reason.

>>9989653
>Aren't women like 60-80% of book buyers?
Wouldn't surprise me. My mother reads more than anyone I've ever known, and she's gone through hundreds of books. Granted, most of them are cheap romance novels, but still.

>>9989653
If you want to have a laugh go on goodreads and look at some of the """"reviews"""" for A Throne of Bones.

>>9989550
This. That site is anti-human

>>9989624
It kind of appears late in the Star Force series, in a charming and unexpected way. Not so much a leader but a central character.

>>9989669
The first reviews made it sound like a literary masterpiece. Then I start scrolling down and it begins to sound like /x/ and /d/ co-wrote a book.

>>9989669
> This book's got everything. Ghouls, vampires, ghosts, witches, necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, cannibalism, rape... Man, I could go on listing stuff. But I won't, read it and find out for yourself.
She gave the book four stars. These are positive things in her eyes?

>>9989490
If you want an experience unlike most other sff books, then yes. But I won't guarantee if it will be good for you

>>9989627
Isn't Drizzt just Elric but far less interesting?

>>9989701
>GRI
Could VD be any more /ourguy/?

>>9989745
Dunno, never read Elric of Melinbone. I've been thinking of it, but I just get this bad feeling it's going to be slow and boring.

>>9989764
I mean, boring is a matter of perspective, but the first book is less than 200 pages. Just give it a shot.

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I don't like this guy.

>>9989764
It's alright. Nothing to write home about either way.

>>9989683
Thanks buddy.

>>9989490
no and no-er. unless you have a thing for gay rapey aliens and gay rapey messiah characters swaddled in "philosophy", i'd recommend against them. it was sold to me as "a metaphysical whodunit" and i'm still struggling to see how the metaphysics are anything spectacular or unique as well as that the whodunit could possibly be.

seriously, bakker's explanation of his "philosophy" and how that's incorporated into the books is basically making up excuses to never clarify things and shout phrases like "crash space of meaning!" and "semantic apocalypse!" also, he has some of the thinnest skin for an author that i've ever seen.

so unless that sounds really interesting, save your time for something else/better

>>9989853
Almost finished with the first book and I pretty much agree. It's very pretentious. So much so it makes Erikson's philosophical meanderings in Malazan that annoyed the hell out of me seem charming by comparison. Which is a shame because I do like the setting, but all the characters are miserable balls of shit except for Kellhus who's just plain boring.

>>9989891
Give us the setting but spare us the story.

>>9989624
God damn it you spoiled attack on titan

>>9989057
Cugel is probably the all-time funniest character in fiction, or at least /sffg/ stuff, but there are other writers who can write stuff as entertaining as Vance. R.A. Lafferty's short-fiction is probably the most consistently funny and entertaining stuff I've ever read. There's a pretty big crossover in appeal between Vance/Lafferty/Wolfe.

>>9989654
>Book of the Long Sun
If you read Book of the New Sun before it and Book of the Short Sun afterwards it's a masterpiece. However as a standalone story it's also very strong. Using multiple POVs it tells an intricate story about humanity, society, faith and conflict all centered around the rise of a spiritual hero in a corrupt and unhappy city. Wolfe did so much more in 1400 pages than GRRM has managed in his 5000+ that it's embarrassing.

It might sound like a bunch of random bullshit and events all thrown together from a plot summary but it all feels very coherent if you understand Wolfe and why he writes. The entirety of the Solar Cycle is an endorsement of Catholic living but this is probably most obvious in Book of the Long Sun (however, several moments in Short Sun are equally Catholic if not more so). The purpose behind the wide subject matter is to look at several different world-views and approaches to government and explore and critique each one in turn. Long Sun looks at utopianism, democracy, monarchy, atheism, suicide, war, crime, it's really an incredibly broad story. It's very interesting to see Wolfe deal with so much, but at the same time it still feels like a personal story. Especially if you read Short Sun afterwards. Everyone with an interest in science-fiction or fantasy should read the entire Solar Cycle at some point.

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Is Three Fingers an allegory on Disney's monopolizing of fairy tales? Why does the protagonist have the same initials as Mickey Mafia? Why does the woman allude to having drugged him in the past as they kill him?

Guys I'm about to read Heinlein's Tunnel in the Meme recommended by a shill. Is it safe to say that this is Lord of the Flies in space?

>>9990373

I laughed way too hard at this dumb picture

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>>9990393

2AM doggoposting is best doggoposting

>>9988956
>>9988956
Isn't nicodemus a demon's name? One of the twelve who gave Judas his silver?

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>>9989034
>Every time I see some fantasy babe dressed like that I think about how fucking awful it would be to bushwhack through a forest or skulk around in some sewer/dungeon

>>9990393
i don't get it

>>9990493

it's supposed to be one of those screencaps of a gril accidentally texting nudes to her dad

>>9990513
>accidentally

They're not done by accident, honey

>>9990516

you mean they're stage or girls intentionally send nudes to their dads?

>>9989057

Sand dan Glokta from Joe Abercrombie's First Law Trilogy.

>>9990530
Both

>>9989034
I think about how nice it would be to be pretty like her

>>9990695

same, no homo

>>9989057
Not an unqualified recommendation, but Ximen Del Azarchel in the Eschaton Sequence has some pretty good moments.

>>9990100
You couldn't possibly know what that refers to unless you were pretty much at the point it happens. It's a mid-story pre-twist at best.

Brandon Sanderson makes me so happy.

>>9991521
I'm happy that you're happy anon.
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>>9990376
Answer to this plz.

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>>9991573
It doesn't take place in space?
Fun book though.

>>9989853
>it was sold to me as "a metaphysical whodunit" and i'm still struggling to see how the metaphysics are anything spectacular or unique as well as that the whodunit could possibly be.
I don't know if it's unique but the metaphysics might be the best part of it. The arbitrary Lovecraftian demon gods, alien fucbois trying to save themselves from damnation, neo materialist cult that subdues the latter, and not elves/dwarves gone insane because immortality is something to be suffered. I haven't really seen a universe with such cosmology, so even if it's not unique, it's definitely interesting as fuck. The whodunit maybe a question of who made the world in this state, which is why the dunselt/no good are trying to fix it by killing mostly everyone.

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>>9991618
Does the person with the book in hand have a vagina...

>>9991623
Does my analogy stand? It's not earth and they travel through space to get there.

>>9991618
Is this the actual Baru Comorant cover or are you blueballing me with some godly /ic/?

What should I read, Way of Kings or Shadow of the Torturer?

>>9991700
This is /gwg/, what do you think?

>>9991690
Yep. And it cost around $10 in Russia.
https://fanzon-portal.ru/press-center/news/knigi/baru-kormoran-predatelnitsa-set-dikinson/?PAGEN_2=2/#comments-block

>>9991688
I've never read Lord of the Flies, but based on my limited knowledge I'd say they share some plot elements.

>>9991711
Russia and China have the best renderfag artists, goddamn.

>>9988956
They want it at arms-length but not as a reality. It's like saying that the enduring popularity of the dystopian novel means people want a dystopia

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>>9991733
Nah. Baru have top notch cover.
Here is Bakker "The Darkness That Comes Before" and it is kinda shitty.

Soulcatcher > Lady

>>9991706
Way of Kings it is then. Thanks!

>>9991795
You never fuck crazy anon. You see she couldn't help herself. You would wake up naked falling 3000 feet up from a flying carpet.

>>9991834
She's just lonely senpai, her big sister bullied her you know.

>>9988956
Or rather that they should reboot the Bible with more of the GRI fun stuff and less long boring parts.

How would you do a Latro in India novel?

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more books like this?

>>9991896
She took her big sister's man. It looked like she was changing but she just got crazier. Wasn't it a plot point that every time they died and were revived they got a little more crazy/evil? Or am I mixing up books?

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Is there a better series with worse covers?

>>9989034
>Every time I see some fantasy babe dressed like that I think about how fucking awful it would be to bushwhack through a forest or skulk around in some sewer/dungeon.
This but also with a boner. Girls feeling really uncomfortable is my fetish.

>>9991680

I hope not

>>9989554
>>9989420
Catholic magic is usually just intercession with saints anyway

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>>9992013
I'll let you diddle my daughter this once anon.
Just use the Hindu pantheon and not!Kali like everyone else.
For reference material.
Lord of light
Black Company
Bhagavad Gita

>>9989490
>Is the Second Apocalypse worth reading?
Yes

>Does it have a satisfying conclusion?
Prince of Nothing does, although the story also isn't over. Aspect Emperor ends on the cliffhanger you always new was coming but is still different from what you expected anyway. Unless you're me and guessed it two books ago. Still good.

>>9989515
>reading TV Tropes
what's wrong with you?

>>9989515
>and there's no humor at all, not even of the gallows variety.

>Cleric: This...this is where I'm meant to die.
>Akka: You and my loincloth.
*laugh track*

THAT'S OUR SESWATHA

>>9989589
>Same. Skimming a tvtropes page gives me a much better idea of if its actually something I'm interested in than the equivalent wikipedia page, or even some goodreads pages.
Reading the prologue or first chapter is much more effective. Or talking to friends with similar tastes that have read it.

>>9992141
The funny thing is he is reading /tv/tropes for works of /lit/erature. He sold himself out about where he really came from. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the anon always asking if we saw a tv series.

>>9989853
The first rule of reading Bakker is to neve read anything Bakker says outside the books. You failed.

>>9990453
It's just a Greek name I'm pretty sure. Victor of the people or something?

>>9989853
>and i'm still struggling to see how the metaphysics are anything spectacular or unique as well as that the whodunit could possibly be.
They're unoriginal in general but original in fantasy. I've never read a Calvinist setting before that wasn't supposed to be real life.

>metaphysical whodunit
Who the fuck recommended this series to you? I love it and even I have no idea what they meant by this.

>>9991778
>Nah. Baru have top notch cover.
>Here is Bakker "The Darkness That Comes Before" and it is kinda shitty.
Way better than the English covers.

>>9992071
>putting a recommendation by Derleth on a Lovecraft book
I'm gonna assume that means they could find literally no one else.

>>9992146

>Xinemus and Kellhus are standing next to a brook to take a piss
>Xin: The water's cold
>Kellhus: Deep, too.

Bakker is only capable of Dad humor. Which is weird given he'll never have a family.

Any good novels with a girl protag?

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>>9992224
What kind of girl you like, senpai? Cute? Stoic? Insufferable? Heroic?

>>9992262
>What kind of girl you like, senpai?
Little girl

>>9992273
Try the Grimnoire series by Larry Correia. One of the two protagonists is a teenage girl, and she's genki as fuck.

>>9992170
>Metaphysical Who-Dunnit
>Who the fuck recommended this series to you? I love it and even I have no idea what they meant by this.

Like if Kant guest-wrote an Agatha Christie novel

>>9992370
>Like if Kant guest-wrote an Agatha Christie novel
That sounds terrible. You read it based on that recommendation?

>>9992262
Heroic, somebody determined.
Maybe somebody who's ultimately not meant for the job and develops psychosis as the story progresses.

>>9991778
Better than The Plate.

>>9992374

I'm not the other anon, I was just speculatively shitposting desu

>>9988779
Are there any sff books with gay main characters?

>>9992224
City of Stairs or The Fifth Season.

>>9992378
Aspect Emperor

>>9992387
>speculative shitposting
can this be a new scifi genre?

>>9992394
Prince of Nothing has two bisexual major characters. For one of them his homolust is a major plot point.That count? (they're not in a relationship with each other and seldom interact, just gonna head that off right there).

>>9992394
Star Wars

>>9992394
The Steel Remains
Probably some Delany shit

>>9992394
What about lesbian main characters?

>>9992394
Melissa Scott's Point series

>>9992445
Janine Lindemulder

>>9992432
>Probably
There is no probably about it where he is concerned.

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>>9992394
How gay?

>>9992480
Gay enough so I can self-insert while reading

>>9992480
That chubby looks like Ariel Winter. I want me a qt chubby white gf who doesn't age like milk and will love me.

>>9992486
I don't know if such levels of gay exist, even in the most progressive of fiction.

>>9992486
Self insert being fucked, or fucking some man ass?
If you want feminine men. Search male:tomgirl on sadpanda.

>>9992486
You can self insert while reading anything, you only need one hand to read.

>>9992506
Actually none if you use audiobooks. That way when girls are getting dicked the moans and cries are sweeter.

>>9992501
I'm more of a top, senpai

you are not supposed to be lewd on /lit
hopefully you get banned

>>9992394

https://pastebin.com/SBD7pZDP

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>>9992515
This hentai is for you. I'm not attracted to guys but if pic related showed up to me I would fuck it.

>>9992551
Lol. I'm into guys not traps.

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>>9988779

>>9992551
You're into guys.

>>9992587

Only """"""""""""""""""""straight"""""""""""""""""""" guys like traps

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>>9992538
Where do you think you are?

>>9992654
I'm bi, and I like manly men, traps, feminine women, and especially butch women and reverse traps.

>>9992700
>and especially butch women and reverse traps.
This but only if they're somehow forced to dress very feminine. It's a meta kind of fetish.

>>9992587
I'm not "into" traps either. But if something puts off a strong whiff of femininity, has breasts, sounds female, dresses female, walks like a female, looks female, and is willing for me to mount them, then I would. I would fuck Bailey Jay but not buck Angel. Does that make me gay?

>>9992700
>reverse traps

Boy it really flusters my bum when I find a cute boy and it turns out he's a girl.

>>9992708
If you know it's a dude then it's gay.

>>9992708
Sexual orientation was invented around the end of the 19th century. Before that, while men having sex with men and women having sex with women was frowned upon, it was seen as a sin like lying or anything else, albeit possibly worse than some.

Lesbian, gay, and bi people today are right that it isn't a sin, but wrong that "sexual orientation" is anything but "who you prefer to fuck."

tl;dr you aren't gay or straight, you just like some things and not others

>>9992717
But Buck Angel is more dude than me. Those it make me gay if I fuck him in the pussy?
Bailey looks female, has a fat ass, does it make me gay if I ignore their dick and fuck them?

>>9992722
see
>>9992720

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Getting kinda gay in here.

>>9992720
>Sexual orientation was invented around the end of the 19th century
You fucking moron.

>>9992720
>Lesbian, gay, and bi people today are right that it isn't a sin, but wrong that "sexual orientation" is anything but "who you prefer to fuck."
>tl;dr you aren't gay or straight, you just like some things and not others
All those words to redefine sexual orientation as exactly how it's already defined. Why are liberal arts majors so dumb?

>>9992751
Well, the idea of a "mental illness" of homosexuality, which eventually became sexual orientation, was developed then.
>>9992758
The problem is that people identify so strongly with their orientation and stress over it. It isn't "gay" to like traps, nor is it "straight." You just like some shit. It's easier to just think of it as "oh, that person turns me on" and if they happen to exclusively be members of one sex or the other, fine, and if you happen to one time decide you want to fuck a dude and then never have the desire again, fine.

Sexual orientation creates discrete categories that the majority of people don't fall into.

>liberal arts majors
I'm finishing up a master's degree in archaeology, actually.

>>9992785
No it's easier to use categories so you don't have to provide an exhaustive list of everything you like or don't like. That's why categories exist.

Just say you're bi you fucking special snowflake faggot

Kek we can turn literally anything into a massive debate in under ten posts. At least it keeps the thread bumped

>>9992785
>I'm finishing up a master's degree in archaeology, actually.
Then you're dumber than I thought.

>Greeks didn't have a word for homosexual therefore homosexuality didn't exist
Bet you think the color blue wasn't invented until the Hellenistic period too

>>9989654
>Is this any good? I read a summary and it sounds like a random collection of sidequests ripped from a video game.

It's actually a lot more coherent than the Book of The New Sun from what I've read so far (the first half of it)

The interesting thing about the Long Sun is that, at least initially, it crawls at a really slow pace but is completely captivating.

>tfw raised by permessive progressive parents but brainwashed by the right wing media to only be sexually attracted to women
help me /lit/, I can't get a boner from a man. This half-life isn't even worth living. I'm not a person, I'm a category that the majority of people don't fall into.

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>>9992807
I'm about 90% sure if this continued long enough it would come to just disagreeing about realism vs. nominalism more broadly.

>>9992840
>I'm about 90% sure if this continued long enough it would come to just disagreeing about realism vs. nominalism more broadly.
Probably. I'm just sick of people acting like they're so fucking clever by pointing out that when looked at in sufficient detail any given category is at least a little arbitrary.

Hello my name's Androl. I like gateways. Wanna talk about gateways? I just love gateways.

>>9992829
5 years on 4chan (2006-2011) made me like traps all the linetraps and trap hentai on /b/ fucked me up. I didn't use to get a boner, now I'm so indoctrinated that someone cute in a skirt gets me hard... Even AFTER they reveal their dick. Gonna an hero soon. This place is cancer.

>>9992877
I've been on 4chan longer than you and it still hasn't caught on.

>>9992378
try graceling. i read it a long time ago and its technically young adult but i remember it being pretty good.

Any good epic fantasy from the past decade or so that compares strongly to the "weird" elements of Howard, Lieber, Peake, Mieville, Gaiman to an extent, etc.?

The more recommendations, the better.

>Ride a Tin Can
Amused, disturbed, and curious what goblin meat tastes like.

>>9992886
Then you weren't in /b/ during 2007-2010.

>>9992941
I don't think the New Weird works very well with "epic" series.
Sprawling series take away part of that strangeness.

>>9993113
That makes sense. Thanks. I'm trying to make the jump to epic fantasy (I've read ASOIAF and LotR and that's it) when most of what I've read so far has tended to be pulpy and/or weird, and nothing is really catching my eye.

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What are you fags reading?
Thinking of starting some gri novel for a quick froth.

>>9992941
Prince of Nothing unironically. Though it takes awhile to get to the weird stuff like the White Luck Warrior.

>>9992987
I've never been in /b/. One look was enough.

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Love sffg, hate the rest of the board, so will post this here.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/books/ct-books-biblioracle-0910-20170906-column.html#nt=oft07a-5gp1

>>9993390

Shadow of the Torturer and Blood Meridian both for the first time. taking inspiration from both for my GRI novel. Kind of shocked how much McCarthy style I seem to have internalized (not that I do it well, but it seems I was aiming for that without realizing it) considering I've never read BM and only read No Country for Old Men once over four years ago and didn't even like it.

BotNS is pretty great, well memed /sffg/

>>9993415

honestly agree on Ulysses and Infinite Memes but I like Moby Dick and Melville in general

>>9993415
infinite jest is an amazing book, but dont read something you dont want to read just because it's a "classic".

>>9993416
BotNS is NOT a meme, people only shill it because it's actually good and Le Walrus Man genuinely deserves greater recognition

>reading tunnel in the sky
>author talks about a guy getting sweaty palms and stuttering when around women
>main protagonist was with a girl for months and his friend came and cucked him out of no where
Is Heinlein our guy? This was tame compared to his other works though.
>No rape, no alien rape, no incest, no incestuous rape

>>9993412
>Though it takes awhile to get to the weird stuff like the White Luck Warrior.
Bakker made me want to fuck old women lowering themselves unto my erection.....

>>9993495
>ywn give reverse birth to yourself by fucking an old crone while she literaly sucks the life out of you with her cunt until you fall to pieces and she turns into a 10/10 young qt

>>9993412
>I've never been in /b/. One look was enough
My original point still stands then. I was indoctrinated into like traps (same shit with lolis and animals)

>>9993514
You were always a pedo, they just helped you realize it.

>>9993476
>This was tame compared to his other works though.
Anything he wrote prior to Starship Troopers is, that's when he changed publishers. I really like his early stuff.

>>9993522
Never got an erection. There were threads where you forced yourself to fap to things (dead corpses, animals, traps, lolis, etc). I never got an erection before that, I had to force myself to like it, now I can't undo it.

It's like when I trained myself to cum under one minute when younger so my mother wouldn't catch me fapping.... Now I'm a one minute man. (Will you say I was always a gay pedo corpse loving animal fucking one minute man????)

>>9993583
So Grok was afterwards?

>>9993605
>There were threads where you forced yourself to fap to things (dead corpses, animals, traps, lolis, etc). I never got an erection before that, I had to force myself to like it, now I can't undo it.
>It's like when I trained myself to cum under one minute when younger so my mother wouldn't catch me fapping.... Now I'm a one minute man. (Will you say I was always a gay pedo corpse loving animal fucking one minute man????)
I think there's a lot of issues here that most people don't suffer from. This post has been eye opening and terrifying.

>>9993611
Indeed.

>>9993605
>forced faps to corpses animals children
my man you are crazy as fuck

>>9993633

Old school, my dude. Glad I'm enough of a newfag that I only got tricked into crossdressing and forced feminization.

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>>9993633
4chan gained it's reputation for a reason you know. There was worse shit than that. I remember we broke newfags in and got rid of normies by posting ED's Offended page.

>>9992088
Nah I think that was just Limper and he started off crazy. Catcher's craziness is just a gimmick I think.

What philosophical reasons has Bakker given for all the GRI?

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>the second book is a prologue of the first

What's some good dark-but-not-full-grimdark epic fantasy? Something about where ASOIAF falls on that scale, but not ASOIAF itself as I want to read it with a friend who's already caught up on that.

>>9994492
The Black Company pretty much started the genre.

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Is this any good?

>>9994499
I wouldn't call The Black Company epic fantasy.

>>9994492
JV Jones' Sword of Shadows series but it's unfinished (and possibly won't ever be)
But it's one of the best I've read

>>9994499
I'll check it out.
>>9994512
Is the author getting up in years or did they just drop it?

>>9993390

On Green's Jungles. It's up there with BotNS.

>>9994492
I wouldn't classify it as 'dark', but Arts of Dark and Light is basically the writer saying he can do a better job than Martin did with ASOIAF. Truth be told there doesn't seem to be a lot of dark epic fantasy that doesn't spill over completely into grimderp. The First Law trilogy is pretty dark and grim, but compared to super grimderp stuff like Prince of Nothing it's fairly tame and a solid epic fantasy regardless.

>>9994501
>girl writer
You know the answer already, anon.

>>9994577
But it doesn't have a female protagonist

>>9994592
See: >>9994577

Why are fantasy authors so bad at making nations with realistic borders.

>>9994637
how do realistic borders look in antiquity?

>>9994577
This is a shit meme

>>9994501

I generally don't trust anything written in the past 20 years with "Prince" in the title

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>>9994661
It is that.

>>9994661

Not really. I'd say 8/10 times it's accurate. Only good fantasy female writer I've come across is Patricia A. McKillip

>>9994678
>I'd say 8/10 times it's accurate
That's very generous, cause 2/10 male writers certainly aren't good.

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>>9994678
You really should read more anon. There is much with which to be entertained.

Why are we so confident that human cultural and social traditions would be the hardest thing to comprehend for robots? they're always portrayed as super superior, but sarcasm? it just can't be parsed

>>9994661
t. girl writer

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>>9994709
t. silly boy

>>9994709
t. someone that doesn't write at all

Assuming nothing else matters, what fantasy novels have the absolute best prose?

>>9994709
>btw I'm a boy
Boys don't read books.

Somebody finally read my short-story start to finish lads, and I now have a cover-blurb for when it's published:

>I mean, it was surprisingly well written for gay erotica, but it was still gay erotica.

>>9994719
Gene Wolfe

>>9994719
Ursula Le Guin, Guy Gavriel Kay, Gene Wolfe. Patrick Rothfuss :^)

>>9994719

Maybe I'm a brainlet but I think the six Black Company books I've read have good prose

>>9994748
No, anon. Just no.

>>9992224

Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie, its a standalone novel but better if you read the trilogy before it.

>>9994719
"My father had his own library, now in my possession; but we were forbidden to go there. I have a dim memory of standing - at how early an age I cannot say - before that huge carved door. Of seeing it swing back, and the crippled monkey on my father's shoulder pressing itself against his hawk face, with the black scarf and scarlet dressing gown beneath and the rows and rows of shabby books and notebooks behind them, and the sick-sweet smell of formaldehyde coming from the laboratory beyond the sliding mirror. I do not remember what he said or whether it had been I or another who had knocked, but I do recall that after the door had been closed, a woman in pink whom I thought very pretty stooped to bring her face to the level of my own and assured me that my father had written all the books I had just seen, and that I doubted it not at all."

Gene Wolfe

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>>9994719
Jack Vance has some top tier imagery

>>9994714
That's a really stupid post, I just hope you know that.

>>9994802
You're a really stupid post

>>9994771
>that cover art
>this hole was made for me.png
I don't think you can make a more appealing cover than that. A true masterpiece of intrigue.

>>9994810
Oh fuck

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>>9994810
>when thread is swarming with summerfags, it's nothing but an ocean of shit with a few castaways adrift on rafts fashioned from memes, calling to one another as they pass in the night.
>when summerfags go back to school it's so dead that people start shitposting out of boredom to pass the time

>>9994501
>GoT-lite YA novel
what do you think?

>>9994688

I don't read just to be "entertained."

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>>9994840
>I don't read just to be "entertained."

>>9994719

Yes, Gene Wolfe really is all he's cracked up to be.

>>9994688

Soooo CJ Cherryh is literally a furry, right?

>>9994835
I'm a submarine of loneliness, sending out pings of (you) just to get (you)'s back

>>9994719
Gene Wolfe, Jack Vance and R.A. Lafferty.

what should I write about?

>>9994858

This:
>>9994849
>>9994835

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Which elric book should i read first? I hear a lot of people say to start with elric of melinobone but it's really expensive to get the one with the good cover.

>>9994879
>to get the one with the good cover.
e-readers, old lady

>>9994879
Start with Elric of Melniboné. I'm sorry, but reading them in order is actually pretty important for getting the full effect.

>>9994840
That is, quite literally, the only reason to read fantasy and sci-fi.

>>9994879
Read the French comic adaptions The Ruby Throne and Stormbringer instead.

>>9990253

I'm looking for any of the short fiction collections by Lafferty, but they're all very expensive.

>>9994910
Go on Library Genesis and search for 'The Man Who Talled Tales'. It's a fan compilation of all of his short fiction.

>>9994890

Why do you think there is the saying, "That person is well-read," or even, "That person is well-traveled"? It is because your mind has been opened up to so many different perspectives and new concepts, that your own worldview expands as well. It's similar to how the corpse eaters in BotNS take all the memories of those they ingest or how the Bene Gesserit unlock all the memories of the matriarchal line when they become a Reverend Mother. Good entertainment is just part of it.

>>9994926
Seems kinda trivial compared to entertainment itself. if anything the only reason to expand your mind is that it'll also expand how you can enjoy art.

>>9994930

It just makes you an all-around smarter person, imo. It's not that you're "better" than others, but you are reaching more of the potential of what a human can reach.

>>9994947
being smart seems kinda trivial compared to appreciating art for arts sake.

>>9994947

you definitely reach a point where not only do you not want to brag about being "well-read" but you've read so much that you're actually embarrassed to sound like a pretentious jerk by accident, and nobody you know would be impressed even if you were showing off, just annoyed.

>>9994655
>>9994637
Borders barely exist in antiquity so I don't get this complaint

>>9994719
Bakker

I want to buy some books to start reading fantasy. My thoughts so far were:
>LoTR
>Gardens of the Moon
>Way of Kings
>The Name of the Wind (maybe? I've read conflicting opinions)
I was also considering WoT's first book, but I've read it starts slowly and I'm thinking of getting the first books to gauge interest before investing more money (books are expensive here). Anything I should add? Or remove?

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>>9994840
I shed a tear for you anon :(

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>>9994846
Not to my knowledge.

>>9994970
I'll never understand what anybody likes about The Name of the Wind. I dislike a lot of popular series, I don't like LotR or ASoIaF, but I understand what sort of people like them and why they like them, I can see the qualities of the series even if they're not my taste.

I just can't figure out at all who the hell is reading The Name of the Wind and recommending it to other people though.

BUT YEAH, that's a pretty good range of relevant fantasy which sees some discussion. I'd definitely ditch The Name of the Wind and pick up either The Black Company or A Game of Thrones though, different enough from the other books but still good entries into fantasy. Maybe lose Gardens of the Moon too. I like it, but Malazan is kind of hard to get into.

>>9994958

Yes, the world definitely becomes lonelier the smarter you become, but it's worth it to me. I do not want to have my intelligence melted out of my ears by watching some horrible show on Comedy Central with others or talk about some football or basketball game. Who the fuck cares. Life is much bigger than that.

>>9994970
You forgot
>The Bible

>>9994977

I want both, friend. Of course I want to read an entertaining story, but I want to think about the text, connect with the characters, and learn something if I can.

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>>9994982
>I just can't figure out at all who the hell is reading The Name of the Wind and recommending it to other people though.
>"Each thrust of Chad's turgid penis only pushes the light of my wit deeper within the dark moistness of her womb, and after she has left you I will still be here, making her laugh and filling in the gaps when you miss your child-support payments."

>>9994982
I've already read ASOIAF so I was thinking of trying something different. I've read about Black Company being quite similar in tone.

>>9994997
Being well read is not the same as being intelligent. You just sound like a pretentious fuck tbqh.

>>9994535
>Is the author getting up in years or did they just drop it?
I'm guessing something personal happened. But she's getting back to writing, apparently, according to her blog.

>>9995028

You sound presumptive and hasty to judge. It's hard to read people over short bursts on chans. You need to see their eyes and hear their voices, or read long thoughts of theirs like in books.

I said reading can help make you more discerning, which is what I would call intelligence. And there is nothing wrong with not wanting to fry your brain with television. It simply shows you respect yourself enough to not subject yourself to it.

>>9995055
You have to be baiting.

>>9995064

Nope. I'm just talking to some random person over the internet and sharing some of my thoughts.

>>9994719
Worm Ouroboros
King of Elfland's Daughter
Phantastes

>>9994704

Real life ai keeps being deleted for immediately becoming racist

>>9995128
because humans guide them that way

>>9994725
Is that the one with the low test betas being used as walking onaholes for jocks who can't fuck pussy?

>>9995136
So racism is perfectly natural is what you're saying. And I agree.

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>>9995136
Don't fall for it anon. He is setting up his checkmate.

>>9995143

Kek yes, good summary

>>9995157
No, humans intentionally make ai racist cause it's a humorous taboo. Also consider that driving is fairly simple, and we can barely make pcs do that, despite literal millions of times more budget than social AI.

>>9995171
It really begs the question. Would straight men without access to pussy for extremely long stretches of time fuck another man if they looked, sounded, and behaved feminine enough.

>>9995179
yes
proof: the history of mankind

>>9995199
So that means you aren't born gay but it's learnt.

>>9995216
No, it means you can compromise your preferences a little bit if you're sexually frustrated

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>>9995216
>>9995223
We begin to stray. What is your favorite style of SFF cover?

>>9995179

I don't ascribe to the whole "lel nobody is really straight xDD" world view but the evidence suggests that probably most would if raised and conditioned to believe it was normal to do so. There might arise "incels" who aren't alpha enough to secure a woman but also are too far on the kinsey scale to stomach feminine penises . Unless of course everyone in that category is in the onahole caste

I was trying to think of some more original sub-plots than "cute boy almost gets raped but is then rescued and has celebratory buttsex" so that might not be a bad question to explore. I'm already doing a fair amount of gender/sexuality speculation from an heretical and non-tumblerian perspective anyway so I may as well

>>9995216
>if they looked, sounded, and behaved feminine enough
reading comprehension nigga, do you have it?
they're not gay they're just screwed by their circumstances

This thread needs to die.

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>>9995244
Are you brave enough to end it senpai?

>>9995271
It looks like she's giving him a piggyback ride

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>>9995244

Saw one go to 384 last week

>>9995169

Everything is political, and in particular many books. It's simply unavoidable.

>>9995278
She would if he asked

>>9995288

Tbh I was just bored shitposting with the ai comment. I'm too scared to go in my room and write on my computer because there's a cockroach in there the size of my palm, flitting about faster than such a creature has any business doing, so I'm lying on the couch phoneposting waiting for it to die from the ant-poison I winged it with

>>9995300
Ew

>>9995307

Let's just say the euphemism "Bombay Canary" is apt

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>>9995288
Granted, but the idea here is to discuss politics related to said books and not divorced from them. Unfortunately such self control is not in abundance, so we tend to get jumpy when the subject is merely broached.

>>9989674
So is 4chan.

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>>9995233
You can have a manly man who never bought into the boipucci propaganda. Have him stranded / save some bitch boy who's hormonal imbalance has him growing slight breast (a cups). They are away from society for extended period. He is horny and faggets being faggets the boipucci tries to get him to stuff his poop chute after he realizes that the manly man isn't interested in ass.

Have it be some psychological piece on man and they depravities he would stoop to if denied something, for a long enough period.

>>9995379
>the femboi wants it
Dropped

>>9995406
>the femboi is raped until he wants it

Acceptable?

Well this turned to shit

>>9995607
i agree. we should purge this thread and move to a new one.

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Freshly baked
>>9995657
>>9995657
>>9995657

>>9990373
>enter the thread
>see a silly meme
>have a good laugh
>stay the entire night awake, doing other stuff
>back to the pc, thread is still open for some reason
>see the meme again
>have another loud laugh

is it autism?