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>>9782707
She's incredible.
/lit/ just hates her because she'd make fun of it.

is there a jane austen movie coming out and associated marketing campaign? pride and prejudice was number one on guttenburg lately and it's at the top of the free section of apple ibooks too

>>9784603
Her death anniversary was a day or so ago.

Speaking of, I'm really tired of people wanking off Pride and Prejudice. It's not the best thing she wrote. It may not even be in the top five.

They were all shutdown earlier this year. they seem to aggressively take down these sites, fiction though goes ignored. knowledge is dangerous, stay dumb and read the funny books

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>>9782682

Why the fuck would you want a site like goodreads for textbooks? Goodreads is already terrible, but at least it kind of makes sense to use it for recommendations and shit. There is literally no reason for this to exist.

>>9782606
>I don't know what to make of it since it can mean anything negative depending on who you're talking to.
>I'd like to figure it out for myself.
You understand the concept. Why would you want to read about a concept you understand? Just think.

Degeneracy as today is defined at what makes 20yo fatherless neckbeards uncomfortable.

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What you have to do is understand the source of the degeneracy.

Not sure but it is trash

Thank god I never missed out heh

>>9782536
>deep blue eyes

trash

le beyond 150 IQ man strikes again. truly a great thinker

>God is not just an axiom, but the only possible axiom
Amazing

yeah but unlike Jo[k]e Rogan and other reactionary and/or alt-right pseuds like him, I bet Peterson would recant that if you confronted him with it. Don't get so caught up in the /pol/ memes that you forget he's a respected and accomplished academic.

>>9781675
>Poe

Most of his poetry is from his early twenties

>>9781675
Keats, Chatterton, Shelley

>>9781675
James Joyce was 22 when he published Dubliners and 24 when he published A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. What's your fucking excuse?

>>9781414
You could read anything based on how much words are on each page.

how the math works out if i read 150 pages on average per day?

>>9781435
It works out to "you're an antisocial weirdo"

>>9781199
I find this equation of postermodern philosophers = postmodern psyche/spirit or even "Geist, if you want, always problematic
blaming the problems of postmoderinity (the sort, that peterson raves on about) on the postmodern philosophers, is as idiotic, as blaming "cultural dissolution" on the Frankfurt school (i.e. "muh culutral marxism /pol/ tards), and really giving to much credit to philosophy, as if it could singlehandedly alter our conception of reality
These things come in huge parts from large social/cultural/technological and economic factors like rise of mass media, social mobility, secularistion etc., which have a lot more influence on "postmodernists" as vice versa

He's wrong about the social and economic causes of the Enlightenment. They were more political and intellectual. He's pushing the Industrial Revolution back like hundreds of years, it seems like.

He's conflating Enlightenment thought with industrialisation and urbanisation which is pretty flimsy. The Enlightenment burned itself out and flipflopped into Romanticism, generations before the effects of industrialisation and the social question really kicked in.

He's conflating modernism too much with dialectic-of-enlightenment style rationalism, like it's Enlightenment 2.0, which is fairly wrong. In many ways modernism was more a result of expressive romantic ideas. The Enlightenment was what eroded the bases of tradition, but its vision of man was still more about "Enlightening," i.e., "Aufklarung," clearing away the accumulated dead weight of near-sighted dogmatism, authoritarian traditions, etc., that prevented people from being their truly free rational selves. When that refuse was cleared away, and only a disappointing void remained, romantic and expressivist ideas of self-creating and self-asserting over against nature stepped in. But these just as often took the form of mystical primeval nature-worship, or radical groundlessness and aesthetic dandyism and decadence, than hyper-rationalist technology/science worship. The uniting factor is the "Man as Self-Creating Hero, Knowing and Achieving his Own Destiny" vision of mankind, than specifically "logic and scientific endeavour" (3:40) by itself. A lot of modernism was anti-rationalist.

He's basically right about postmodernism. Postmodernism is a "decentering." It's taking faith, not just in science or rationalism, but in the ability of man to know himself, create himself, or even steer himself in the world. It's the death of "narrative," or metanarrative, of the ability to say "This is what history *is*, and therefore this is what we are, and therefore this is what will happen next and what we should do." Whenever we tried to do that, we ended up destroying half the planet. So it's a decentering of Eurocentrism, logocentrism, of any "ground" for action, because apparently no matter what ground you stand on, you apparently end up brutalising mental patients, holocausting Jews, creating an alienated meaningless existence for the entire planet, selling iPhones to retard proles while enslaving Chinese people to make them, etc.

>>9781289
For example, in talking about why postmodern rejections of science are problematic (around 7:30), he almost begs the question (argues circularly) by saying that they aren't "empiricist." Or at least he's ascribing that view to average joe types, who are still stuck on capitalist, Fordist scientism. The line of thought basically goes:
>Fine, I can understand being critical of science's results, sure. But even once we've critiqued science down to the ground, we need to empirically, scientifically deduce a new science, that's better and more sciencey and less critiquable.
Because people are so trained (postmodern concept of false consciousness or presuppositions) to think of "empirical" as synonymous with "logical" as synonymous with "objective" as synonymous with "what's really real" ... (etc.), they can't get out of the scientism box. They just want to reaffirm scientism.

The whole point of postmodernism, as he more or less accurately said a minute earlier, is to critique even the foundations of these presuppositions. Why should we "empirically" find our way back to anything? "So two and two make four; what the hell does that MEAN for me?"

And that's exactly why guys like Foucault come along, and do genealogical, historical analyses of these attitudes. It turns out, when you have endless uncritical faith in the narrative of "scientific empirical knowledge" (a groundless concept, as all are, when analysed to their grounds, unless you have religious faith in some ground), you will tend to do interesting things. Like reify certain assumptions about human nature, treat people in certain ways, over-engineer society. You will assume things MUST be a certain way, you will assume certain grounds and narratives exist objectively, and you will proceed from them. Science people will see a critique of science and go "OK, so science wasn't scientific enough?" without realizing that the problem is deeper than that, at the level of "being scientific enough" being synonymous with "how we should order our understanding of reality."

And those ideas didn't come about in the '60s entirely. The '60s is when they entered the mainstream and when the French really discovered them. The Germans had been wigging the fuck out about techno-nightmare worlds of endlessly managed drone people, living "orderly" but meaningless lives, since the Romantics. The French were still positivists and French republican nationalists before WW2 and decolonisation, still had faith in the narrative of the French Enlightenment being a manifest destiny to civilise the world and free everybody to live within republicanism. The shocks of WW2 and decolonisation are what caused them to shift into high gear of "fuck everything! Nothing means shit! Don't lump me in with those naive pre-war Frenchies who thought that things were good, I knew all along they were bad!" But the Germans had already been doing that since the Wilhelmine period at least.

>>9781007
crime and punishment

>>9781007
My novel.

I'm not letting you read it though

>>9781007
ah, another weak man, eh? another effeminate man with mental problems, eh? another fag boy, eh? little faggot weak boy! HAHA! the social degeneracy is all around me....

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>>9780981
I disagree with Nabokov, even if you dont like him it could block a thread talking about best of 20th century lit or something

>>9780981
You forgot Stephen King

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>>9781020
sometimes its fun to have a long discussion on rare stephen king

>>9780931
That's because it's a series of questions with answers to them for pastoral and theological purposes that would come up for people. I don't understand why it's more memed then Contra Gentiles, which is actually a single work meaning to explain the Christian faith from start to finish.

Read an abridgement. I think there's one called "A Summa of The Summa".

>>9781051
So it's basically the catechism but with argumentation?
Why has it been taken as a work of philosophy rather than theology then?
Does his theology have any relevance in modern Catholic or Orthodox theology?

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Victor
Vincent
Tyrone
Marlon
Samuel
Jeff/Geoff
Leo
Andrew

Not posting it for points in edginess, it's just genuinely a beautiful collection of stories.

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miles
dale
stefan
dustin
susan
damian

what the fuck is the point in listing that many names? the thread will just die in moments

Digibro?

>>9780664
yes

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>>9780586
Important desu

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If Eva were a novel, at least in America, it would have been a seminal moment in American literature. People would have hailed it as the fulfillment of postmodernism. A fucking Freudian, Lacanian fever dream of giant robots that are ACTUALLY giant people who are ACTUALLY giant mothers animated with the souls of the dead mothers of the horny teeangers that pilot them, all the while everyone involved in the secret paramilitary organization that operates these walking, roaring Oedipus Complexes is bursting to overflow with daddy issues, penis envy, repressed tension, and clash of the parts of the soul.

Evangelion, the novel, would be 1500 pages long and would be hailed as a masterpiece. DFW wouldn't have had the balls to write Infinite Jest, he'd have been shamed into oblivion by knowing he could never have matched with his own work what the Eva novel did.

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>>9779900
>>9779936
Utena is better, desu

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>>9779900
>>9780023
Lain is better, desu

Everything sleeps. Even cancer. Find out when it sleeps and you can make it slumber forever.

Like a horse has its rider, the moon has its sky, a man has his loneliness mistaken as pride

>>9779716
>>9779719
Holy... I want more