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>the book was written by a Protestant
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>the book was written
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>>7847686
Protestantfags WILL defend this
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>>7847686
What's wrong with Protestants?

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Characters you literally want to have sex with.
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>>7846577
anne frank desu
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>>7846577
Nastasya filipovna would be a freak. I would leave the country afterwards though.
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>>7846583
this. i want to pat her fluffy hair as she gobbles my dick to the base.

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>structuralism
>post-structuralism

What's the deal with people's sudden obsession with this? In the last two years I keep seeing it all the time on 4chan. And I heard it in real life a few times too, used by "hipsters" (it's a meaningless buzzword, but I don't know what to call them) and nerdy suburban white teenagers. Seems like ever since this Derrida guy got more popular and acknowledged, all the kids have been talking about this and name-dropping this "le epic structuralism" and "post-structuralism". Is (post-)structuralism an epic new meme?

Why do people keep using this so much? Is it to show that they know a new word or something? To seem cultured? Can someone explain this to me? And what exactly are these terms? Why are they being mentioned so often? And is it somehow related to "deconstruction" (and what is that?, I read that no one knows, not even the guy who coined the term)? And what do people usually refer to when they mention structuralism or post-structuralism? What areas/activities or studies? Is it related to philosophy? Is it a movement in philosophy? Is it related to arts? Literature? Sociology? Psychology? What is it? Is it somehow related to modernism and metamodernism?

What books should I read to learn more about it?

Am I first supposed to start with the Greeks, all le ancient philosophers, then all the relevant philosophers in the last 1000 years, you know, Kant, Heidegger Foucault, Saussure, Descartes, Locke, Marx, Hegel, Sartre and everyone else? If that's the case then forget about it. But I doubt any of you actually read works from all of them and are still capable of understanding (post-)structuralism.
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>>7846223

Post-structuralism influences many fields in the social science, including philosophy, psychology, sociology, anthropology etc. It basically rejects structuralist ideas, deconstructing them.

From Amazon:

You Can (Not ) Interpret

Structuralism sought to explain what the elements of human culture were by analyzing the structures surrounding those cultures. Ultimately, language is the structure of culture (i.e., culture is socially-constructed by language). However, Post-Structuralism argues that language, in and of itself, has a dichotomous contradiction. Simply stated, words can be "ambivalent," as Derrida pointed out, showing how meaning could be deferred by these embedded differences (i.e., "differance"). In other words, we can't understand cultures by interpreting their language since the language itself is (1) open to interpretation and (2) contradictory to itself by nature. Like combining matter and anti-matter (or like mixing yin with yang), words nullify their own existence. This is "deconstructionism." Each word is like this. You can interpret a word as being matter or you can interpret it as anti-matter. But this would only be a result of you seeing one side of a two-sided coin. You can interpret the text anyway you want. However, you must also understand that when you see both sides of the same coin (the matter and anti-mater), they conflict with each other. Thus, you will have two different interpretations that are each other's exact opposite. This makes interpretation rather pointless and futile since the different interpretations cancel each other out, destroying and quashing the concept of interpretation altogether. Restated: interpretation is only an end result of seeing one side of a two-sided word. Furthermore, the ambivalence of a word nullifies our ability to interpret anything.
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>>7846223
>am i supposed to learn about structuralism and post structuralism by reading structuralists and post structuralists?

Triggered
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>>7846238
This is the problem with throwing out empiricism wholesale.

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Have you ever mispronounced a word or used the wrong one and embarrassed yourself?

>tfw just tried to pronounce "contemporaneously" and kept having to start over until my qt crush said "just say modern"
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>>7842970
draught
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I've pronounced Prowst the wrong way for the longest time and I like it the wrong way better than Proost.
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>>7842970
>be me
>talking about Jame Joyce in lit class
>bring up "Dub-liner"
>professor pauses, unsure how to respond, and says "Ah yes... DUBLIN-er"
>mfw

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What do you think?

http://www.scaruffi.com/fiction/best100.html
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THE FACT
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>>7838990
Pretty good
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>>7838990
Wat more Patrician than the /lit/ 100 2015

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Is irony the Donald Trump of literature?
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I think Donald Trump is post-ironic.
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>>7854302
Irony is the death of art desu senpai
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>>7854350
Does that mean Donald Trump is the death of politics?

Best seafaring novels? Fantasy or not, lets discuss
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Sailing Alone around the World
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>>7851608
Three man in a boat, 30000 leagues under the sea and Joseph Conrad's nautical novel.
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The Long Ships by Bengtsson

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>Book comes with a ribbon bookmark
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>remove book from backpack
>one corner of its cover was folded upward the whole time
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I like everymans too OP
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>the pages are too heavy to be turned with one hand and I have to let go of the subway pole every time

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How dense is Marx? Is it just a standard read with an intimidating page count?
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It's dry, admittedly, but it's pretty air-tight.
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>>7848591
very dense. you have to be dense to come up with such a mass murdering ideology
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>>7848600
>mass murdering ideology
That was Lenin, Stalin and Mao.

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Hey guys,

Do you ever think about the great writers of history and wonder if they would be working in literature if they were alive today? Maybe they'd be writers, but would it be in the same medium or in the same form?

For example, if Shakespeare were alive today, would he be a playwright or a screenwriter?

Would Hemingway be a motivational YouTube personality?

Would Kerouac be a travel blogger?

Would Tolstoy be on Patreon?

Would Steinbeck be writing scathing political opinion or commentary?

Would Whitman rule Tumblr and Pinterest?

If Pynchon were starting his career today, would he be the king of weird Twitter?
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>>7854095
The Whitman one I could believe, and wouldn't be surprised.
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>>7854131

Whitman's great though.
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>>7854095
>> For example, if Shakespeare were alive today, would he be a playwright or a screenwriter?

screenwriter

>> Would Hemingway be a motivational YouTube personality?

no, he'd be like better tom clancy

>>Would Kerouac be a travel blogger?

yes, but there are a million travel bloggers now. no one would know who he is, he'd have like 100 followers on twitter and eventually give up and teach middle school english or something

>>Would Tolstoy be on Patreon?

tolstoy wouldn't be published...maybe in christian bookstores?

>>Would Steinbeck be writing scathing political opinion or commentary?

steinbeck wouldn't be published, he'd be lost in the drawer of some agent's intern. not ripping on him, ripping on the system.

>> Would Whitman rule Tumblr and Pinterest?

no, whitman is too antisocial for social media

>> If Pynchon were starting his career today, would he be the king of weird Twitter?

if i had to guess he has an alt account or two now

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What makes a work of alternate history "good". Is it plausibility? Historical accuracy? Or should it merely aim to be entertaining?
And as a side question, what are some examples of really bad alternate history?
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>>7853931
What makes a book "good"? Is it plausibility? Accurate portrayal of society? Or should it merely aim to be entertaining?
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>>7853931

Same things that make good sci-fi. Good writing and an interesting hypothetical. That's all. It doesn't need to be serious in tone, just good like any other book.

Pic related, I'm not sure how it would hold up today but I still think about the one scene with the knight reaching out to try and help his electrocuted comrade and dying in the process. On the nose maybe but there was a bitterness to it that really stuck with me.

Maybe you wouldn't consider it alternate history either but you could have set stricter parameters here.
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>>7853954
Alternate history as a genre is fundamentally tethered to this world.

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does /lit/ know of any good books about this guy?
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>>7853929
The "how we fucked up" report by the Norwegian police is actually pretty damn good for what it is 2bh

Don't know if it is translated though.
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>>7853936
lol sounds really interesting. ill look into it.
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>>7853929

No but this can help

What are some lit tier romance novels or with major romantic subplots?
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All of Russian literature?
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Oblomov
Brothers Karamazov
Stoner
Nadja
Dr Zhivago
The Sun Also Rises and most Hemingway
Story of the Eye
Sorrows of Young Werther
Lolita
A Confederacy of Dunces
The Peregrine

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>Be me, 4 years ago
>Far cry from well-read, did love to read
>Started writing
>Colleagues said it gave them goosebumps
>Motivated to write a book
>Started 2 projects
>Asked le Internet to r8 my writing
>Said it was shitter than Dan Brown
>Become demotivated, stopped the projects at page ~60
>Practiced making poems, stopped that, too
>Be me now
>Colleagues said my writing was even better
>Le Internet still say it's shit

How do I git gud in writing, /lit/?
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who are your colleagues?

I would say never trust people on the internet, but i would imagine it's just as foolish to trust people in real life
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>>7853713
Teachers. History teacher and linguist teacher.
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>>7853723
Oh, and a religion teacher.

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Why does /lit/ fall for the "older is better" meme?

Like: Mozart HAS to be better than modern music. Because >muh culture

Or: Hegel HAS to be a better thinker than Sam Harris...

Why?
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I like my books the opposite of how I like my women: old, worn-in, and with lots of things to tell me.
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>>7853573
Sam Harris is the guy who wrote a terrible book about his theory that there is a universal code of morality and when his book got completely panned he wrote a long butt hurt essay responding to his critics. He then created a contest to see who could disprove him and the winner would win 2,000 dollars. If someone managed to change Harris' mind, they would win 20,000 dollars. Someone won the 2,000 dollars but of course no one won the second prize.
If you actually think this guy is an important figure in the field of philosophy you're a child.
Also, saged.
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>>7853573
objectively mozart is better than modern music in terms of musical techniques used in his compositions compared with that of modern songs of any type, but by this measurement music peaked in the late romantic era with Chopin, Rachmaninoff and those insane guys and just declined from then with the advent of modernism and minimalism and the degeneracy we call pop culture today, and the same is pretty much with all other art forms to varying extents

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