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>>7872969
James, obviously.
If it was written 'James look at Rick who farted', then it'd have been Rick

>>7872969
smelt dealt it

>>7872978
verily, he saith that whosoever doeth the crime be marked by opening the rhyme.

>>7872844
man I haven't fapped to Abbey Brooks in ages
wonder how she's been

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>>7872844
The same stuff everyone read for their high school English class--The Great Gatsby, Romeo and Juliet, Catcher in the Rye. On my own time, though, I read a lot of Gaddis, Pynchon, Hawkes, and Gass, who is, and always will be, my favorite writer.

HOLY SHIT. Check out those bazingas. Aaahhwooooooo!!!

i say he should stick to describing the turds that he takes

he is no critic

>>7872649
BTFO

“Husymans’s true subject had been bourgeois happiness, a happiness painfully out of reach for a bachelor. ... His idea of happiness was to have his artist friends over for a pot-au-feu with horseradish sauce, accompanied by an ‘honest’ wine and followed by plum brandy and tobacco, with everyone sitting by the stove while the winter winds battered the towers of Saint-Sulpice. These simple pleasures had been denied him.”

Was all this refinement, all this decadence, this misanthropy and disillusionment, were all these religious agonies and scruples merely the sublimation of a longing for the sedate pleasures of a bourgeois life? Was Huysmans’s entire body of work the result of a grandiose self-delusion?

François appears to believe so, and the idea is far from improbable, in fact I find it quite plausible. The disillusioned gaze sees through everything, sees all the lies and the pretenses we concoct to give life meaning, the only thing it doesn’t see is its own origin, its own driving force. But what does that matter as long as it creates great literature, quivering with ambivalence, full of longing for meaning, which, if none is found, it creates itself?

DragonballZ with tarot cards.

>>7872266
so 70% filler?

>>7872270
More like 60% of it is pretty decent than massive power creep that takes place of characters and stories. Bone hunters is the last good one imo

House of chains and dead house gates are pretty top notch modern fantasy, for whatever that's worth.

shut the fuck up sage

>>7872171
The unabridged version from inside DFW's mind.

>>7872179
can't find it on amazon :/

You've read in a weird order.

Read V., then GR or M&D (both, but in either order), then AtD, then BE, then SL if you feel like it.

>>7871876
I'm not looking for his best first, I'm just going through it by feel. but I can try it your way. is there a reason for it?

>>7871888
I think its generally thought that you are wasting your time with anything other than V. GR, M&D, tCoL49, and AtD

Werther's love can hardly be called love, in a sense. I hate to go all Lacanian psych-bullshit but Lotte is the 'objet petit a' - the ultimate object of his desire, but one that cannot be attained because to attain it would be to compromise or change its qualities. His love for Lotte is rarely described as physical, but one could argue that Werther would be unable to express physical love due to its being so taboo. Werther is downright obsessed with her.

I'd probably argue that Werther is a depressive. He is able to keep it together most of the time but is clearly deeply emotionally repressed. I think that had Lotte not married Albert, Werther probably could have married her. Like you say, Lotte admits that he is attracted to him too.

I'd say that the main reason he doesn't want to break them up is that he recognises that they're happy together, and as he says many times, he respects, admires and likes Albert on a personal level. If you can, there's a great new translation of it available that I really enjoyed (it's called "The Sufferings of Young Werther").

>>7871909
>I hate to go all Lacanian psych-bullshit but Lotte is the 'objet petit a' - the ultimate object of his desire, but one that cannot be attained because to attain it would be to compromise or change its qualities.

This seems very interesting. Where can I read more?

I don't think he had a chance.
Lotte may or may not have loved him, but I don't think he had a chance regardless.

I find the most heartbreaking thing about love, to be the uncertainty. Whenever I fall in love, I get two different voices in my head, where one is encouraging and positive, and the other negative and discouraging.
The result is a kind of limbo, where you don't fall out of love, but you're still too afraid to make a move.
This is what happens to Werther, and then it just intensifies over the course of the story untill Lotte becomes an obsession. All of Werthers love goes to Lotte, so he becomes depressed since the only thing he can love is something he can't have.
But what would have happened if Lotte returned his love and left Albert?
Honestly, I don't think it would have made a difference. Werther himself said that one of them had to die, and he didn't have the "guts" or whatever you wanna call it, to kill Albert.
Albert isn't a villain, nor is Werther a hero, and Lotte certainly isn't someone who needs to be saved.

Then it is genderless, isn't it?

>>7871591
Well it specifically wants a wife at a certain point so It wouldn't be too hard to argue for it being a male. Ultimately it's a fucking monstrosity but I think implying that it is representative of transgender is kind of reaching.

>>7871630
genus=!=sexus, just fyi

i think it's ridiculous to retcon classic works of literature to fit contemporary issues, it's the same as replacing the word nigger with slave in huckleberry finn and making hermione black (well larry potter is not a classic work of literature, but you catch my drift). this is just pandering to a certain audience. also >>7871654

It's got an amateurish vibe to it, sadly. Good effort though, never stop trying.

>>7871544
I get that, why though? Language, narrative, tone or a mix of different things?

>>7871550
(not that anon)
commas used like haphazard oral pauses,
inconsistent tone with archaic syntax or turns of phrase tentatively spread here and there inbetween standard modern ones,
sentences where "[one thing happens] as [something completely unrelated is described]" (or the reverse) = illogical uses of a besides 'writing style'-cliché structure

Keep at it but read more too and you'll start to see it.

Hedonism is the cancer of the soul.

>>7871535

Not really an answer to my question but thanks anyway I guess.

Hendonism is the problem. Even if you have foresight you will be craving fore something that you can't fulfill. You can see the problem coming but you can't avoid it.

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>>7871509
>Prose mirrors the main character's train of thought
Looking at you, Joyce.

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>>7871509
>protagonist is a idiot during school but a genius in combat.
Fuggg I'm writting one, but I came up with a legitimate reason

>>7871542
That set-up is common because young readers relate to it. Literally every anime is based off it.

>>7871376
OP

Bernie supporter #12864

Carl the Cuck

A Clockwork Orange

>>7871209
nah

>>7871209
>movie
>good

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>>7871068
Joseph de Maistre and Edmund Burke are essential—I'm not sure it matters which you read first.

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>>7871068
Hobbes - Leviathan
Montesquieu - The Spirit of the Laws
Herder - Yet Another Philosophy of History (should be read in light of Kant's 'Idea for a Universal History with a Cosmopolitan Purpose)
Burke - Reflections on the Revolution in France
Hegel - Philosophy of Right
Nietzsche - On the Genealogy of Morals
Schmitt - Political Theology, The Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy, and The Concept of the Political
Oakeshott - Rationalism in Politics and other essays, and On Human Conduct
Hayek - Law, Legislation, and Liberty
Finnis - Natural Law and Natural Rights

le meme philosophers thread

I honestly hope he wins, not even memeing.

>>7870818
It's a #1 National Bestseller by a #1 national best-seller.
What could possibly go wrong?

>>7870824
Same here.