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Is there any room in the modern publication market for the novella? The genre itself (a kind of nebulous, vague, subjective classification) is designed for marathon readings but is frequently criticized as thin, minor, insubstantial or just not worth the time.
What are your favourite novellas? How do they measure up to the rest of the author's work (if it varies at all)? What are your experiences with the form (either in reading or in writing)?
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>>8177816
There's a certain elegance, maybe mystique, to the form. It has the virtues of a short story, it isn't as spread-out as a novel. I'm not dismissing the novel (or even the doorstopper: there are enough examples of diamonds buried under pages of description in Dickens and Dostoevsky to last), but I admire writers who can condense their work into a wedge of papers and still blow your mind.
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>>8177816
I hope so. I love novellas, it's a shame that the profundity or artistic merit of a literary work is often measured in proportion with its page-count. You would think that literature was above trite dick-measuring contests.

Anyhow,
The Metamorphosis
The Old Man and the Sea
Siddhartha
Heart of Darkness
Dubliners(?)
A Single Man
Catcher in the Rye
Notes from Underground
Gatsby
The Stranger (?)

I hope the next "literary movement" is the rise of novellas. I think it would be a good way to introduce people to literature without intimidating them.
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>the dead
>novella

jesus christ these fucking plebs

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I'm planning on reading the Odyssey and Illiad, is it a good or bad idea to read them in the Samuel Butler translation or do I absolutely have to read it in poetic form?
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~le daily homer translation thread~
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You don't have to read it in poetic form, but you should. Go for Fitzgerald, Fagles, or Lattimore.
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>>8177747
What are the benefits to reading it in poetic from over prose?

>Who's there
>I am

You really think Davis Fisher Walrus was creative or intelligent enough to do this intentionally?
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>>8177458
I don't get it

Do what
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Nice thread
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>>8177466
first words of hamlet and first words of IJ

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Do you guys think it's cheating to listen to books on tape? I find that there's a night and day difference for me between listening to books on tape and reading something. I feel like I have to train myself to get to the level feeling like I'm just listening to someone talk when I'm reading it on a page.

I'm about to listen to the history of western philosophy by Bertrand Russel on a couple hours long car ride, ask me anything. I also have prepared The Journal of Albion Moonlight, and The Republic by Plato.
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>cheating
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I listen to about 20ish hours of audiobooks/lectures/podcasts a week at work. I find the experience to be a bit different but not necessarily worse. Over time you develop the concentration for your mind not to wander as you listen to them but since you can never rearead, check refernces, leave time to think about it, I tend to listen to either books that aren't too complicated or books I doubt are going to be very great but I want to experience them to make sure.
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>>8177811
I'm the opposite. I listen to talk shows all the time, and I even play them in the background when I am doing other low maintenance things and I still feel satisfied with how much I've absorbed. I think I just have a very keen ear. On the other hand, when I try to read a book, I find myself becoming enormously distracted, it's almost a fucking joke. I can barely read a single paragraph, it doesn't feel like the ease and nature of listening to an audiobook. Worse yet, I can read articles online and comment posts like the ones on this website, probably because it's just easier to read in short bursts than it is to read long stuff.

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What is /lit/'s most and least favorite book(s) and why?
Pic related, hated Fahrenheit 451
>inb4 GR + IJ
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>no explanations
Lol ok senpai
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>>8177323
favourite is Moby Dick, i know its a book most high schoolers read but i really like Ahab's nonstop goal to get revenge. Plus it inspired parts of MGS;V which is my favourite game so that always helps

Least favourite is sense and sensibility, because its a completely uninteresting story, with needlessly long sentences used to cover up the fact that the writing is shit
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>>8177323
>Says he hates a generally liked popular book
>Doesn't say why

wew, who let the hipsters in.

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Who has the best English translations of this guy?
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Kaufmann

/thread
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>>8177254
>not reading in Nietzsche in French
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>>8177258
No

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which philosopher is the simplest to understand?
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Jacques Derrida
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Fuck off back to /tv/.

Do you base all your tastes, your entire life off things people on 4chan tell you to? Are you that much of a moron?
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Honestly not a bad question. It gets kind of boring and is impossible to figure them all out, and who has the time between labour and chores? Might as well get a great handle on one that doesn't lead down a rabbit hole of variations and updates.

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What are some great short works of literature that I can read in a few days?
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>>8177201
Everything by Hawkes.
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>>8177201

Why does that image stir a boiling rage in my heart?
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Shakespeare. Any play really.

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Does Mao wrote anything worthwhile?
I'm not a communist,but seeing another perspective would be interesting.
Or should I start with Lenin if I want to see communism in action?
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>>8177036
Lenins words were actually his own


Maos red book heavily borrows from previous authors
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>>8177036
Start with Marx -> Lenin -> Mao
You should definitely read Mao as well if you want to go on to Maoism-Third-Worldism, which is basically the only somewhat relevant non-meme form of Marxism in today's world.
t. ex-MLM
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>>8177614
This.

Also don't forget Engels along with Marx.

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Fiction around the topic of addiction? Drugs, alcohol, sex. Whatever.
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Infinite Jerkoff
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>>8177013
IJ is essentially the addicts bible. Nothing will make you want to be sober more.
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High functioning alcoholism

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oh god oh god oh god
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>>8176881
Ironic that the passage you have opened obsesses about paper.
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>>8176881
Suicide. Its the only way.

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>Language is not made to be believed but to be obeyed, and to compel obedience newspapers, news, proceed by redundancy, in that they tell us what we ‘must’ think, retain, expect, etc. language is neither informational nor communicational. It is not the communication of information but something quite different: the transmission of order-words, either from one statement to another or within each statement, insofar as each statement accomplishes an act and the act is accomplished in the statement.
Was he right?
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>>8176860
Yes he was.
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Yes, he was; no, he wasn't. You decide. Deleuze's work is a sweet box; you take what you like, just like Deleuze did with other writers.
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>>8176885
I feel this way as well. Tracks on a record my dude.

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What went wrong?
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mid life crisis
plus masochism and a death fetish
and another Jap won the Nobel. so it would be many years before they got around to giving him one and he didn't want to wait that long
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>>8176858
Nothing, everything went perfect
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>>8176886
Except for the part where he couldn't gut himself properly and his friend couldn't decapitate him properly and had to get someone else to do it.
I'm sure it was a graceful experience.

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>tfw you'll never be this hot
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I hope not. You can practically see the sweat in his hair.
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>>8176642
Kek
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>>8176642
*perspires heavily*

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Well /lit/, what do you think of this?
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>>8176630
seems gay
would bully
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>>8176630
Why the do you care what some random loser with a tumblr thinks?
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>"Literature" is just some bullshit lists "adults" enjoy composing when in reality the real canon is anything you enjoy reading.

I don't agree with this. Works that are part of a canon are usually there for a reason. This person just seems like they're having a fit because they're pickier than "the average joe" about what they read, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. But suggesting that canons are just arbitrary lists is false.

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