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Is there some stupid chart or something on how to into English language poetry?
I've read Eliot, Yeats, Kipling, and some other fellas, but I don't know where to go next and would like to work my way through all this stuff systematically.
>inb4 start with Dylan
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>>8625372
what about byron or spenser? besides, aren't the italians the god tier of poetry?
how bout Pound? John Donne?
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>>8625372
you could try an anthology, I liked a Pocket Book of Modern Verse
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>>8625372
just pick up a copy of the norton anthology of poetry. you won't need anything else for a long, long time

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When I think about ASOIAF and the work George RR Martin has done, the detail, the patience, how entertaining it is, I feel so small and afraid that I would not be able to do something like that ever, that it crushes me.

How do you cope with that feeling?
How can I become better and more influential than him?
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>>8625360
Dude if you can't write better than an Adult "Young Adult" fiction author like my boy Jorge r. Mahtyn than you should think of following another career path.

Don't fret over it you fuckhead everyone has a unique style and just because yours isn't exactly the same as GRRM it doesn't mean you're a bad writer. Post something you've written so we can critique
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>>8625575
Why is adult fiction so hated? Most people couldn't even do something half as good and entertaining as ASOIAF for example.
I mean no hate towards you but criticize is easy, writing something is not.


The room where they were was filled with nervousness, fear and regret. Dark painted walls, a wooden floor and a couple of big red chaise long sofas in the furthest corner of the room, the door was closed too long ago. The atmosphere seemed to increase at each second, the air getting lighter at the same rate. Between the sofas there was a thick, old rough carpet with four square marks. It used to be soft and bright colored but time, smoke and too many substances over it made it look something brownish with a strange pattern. He was sitting in the middle of the sofa, the intensity of his attention made him look somewhat in tension, ready to jump. Or to unleash a bite.
The object of his attention and where his eyes were focused was a short teenage looking girl.
She, on the other hand had her eyes focused on a square mark over the carpet. She had been trying not to swallow since the guys scortted her to the place, but it reached a critical point and she did. Loudly, unfortunately. She tried to take a deep breath and deal with whatever was going to come. Many things depended on it, many people depended on her.
It didn't pass more than a couple, maybe three seconds since they got alone, yet...
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>>8625764
>Why is adult fiction so hated?
Why is YA fiction hated on /lit/? Simply because most users here are just growing out of that demographic and starting to see how retarded it really is. Or they're still part of that demographic and are trying to be contrarian and/or fit in.

>Most people couldn't even do something half as good and entertaining as ASOIAF for example.
Just like most people can't paint like Picasso, rant like Rand, or sniff like Slavoj. Because they don't practice; they focus on different skill sets.

>The room where they were was filled with nervousness,
Your writing could use some work.

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I am a god
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>>8625330
That's what Kanye said.
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>>8625330
I'm a beast.
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For real why hasn't Nietzsche been ostracized like Rand? It's basically qualitatively identical drivel, the only difference being the former's prose is needlessly ornate.

It's just garbage your average /pol/ cretin believes. #FlushNietzsche

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>Infinite Jest
>is neither infinite nor funny
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>>8625320
that's the joke
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Actually... it is infinite, because the last page of the main text isn't the last event that happens chronologically, it's simply the last section of the book; in order to figure out what happened, you have to go back to the beginning, and you can even continue to read if you want, because there are lots of little mysteries to resolve and connections between sections to make and realizations to be had; in that way, because the book is so packed with information and so fragmented, you can read it many times without exhausting it, and it therefore goes round and round infinitely as you read it over and over, becoming like the people in the book who view the fatally entertaining movie over and over. And it is funny.
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>>8625336
Nope

I can't read a book where the main character is such a huge religious fuck tard. Is he seriously asking why god is laying all his negative feelings on him and not someone else? He's so fucking stupid, I don't see how I have anything to gain from a book where "probing the depths of the human condition" means digging into the mind of a moron. There's nothing to gain from reading books about religious morons.
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God dammit.
In my last meme purge I deleted all my fedora memes.
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>>8625196
Being a rational person isn't fedora.
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>>8625193
Read the book of Job. Job actually moves past that to openly accusing God of negligence.

Greatest living Novelist?

I think so.
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Uh... Bob Dylan just won the Novel
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>>8625187
lmfao
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Is his other stuff better than Never Let Me Go? It wasn't bad, just nowhere near "greatest living author" tier.

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After reading a portion of The Greeks™, I was particularly interested by the passage towards the end of Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man which concerns aesthetics ("esthetics" as Joyce has it).

What can I go on to read in order to learn more about this subset of philosophy?

Pic related, perhaps?
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>>8625143
Joyce is talking about Aquinas mostly, so yes.
But getting into Aquinas in general is hard and needs preparation as his language is specific and will be misunderstood by almost every modern reader.
Aside Aristotle, I would recommend Copleston, Feser and MacIntyre as reads before jumping into the man himself. His aesthetics and everything else depends on his metaphysics.
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>>8625152
>will be misunderstood by almost every modern reader.
in what way?
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>>8625154
His words have different meanings to him as opposed to us today. Alongside that, you need to get into the medieval mindset, which is wholly different than the protestant liberal materialistic view we cannot shake.

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what is your opinion on hunagrain literature?
Pic sorta related
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What the hell is a hunagrain? some obscure alien from Dragon Ball Z?
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>>8625033
Even though I'm Hungarian, I haven't read a Hungarian book since high school, desu senpai. But I will read Háború és háború by Krasznahorkai in the near future.
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We read Paul Street Boys for school as kids.
It is not a very good kids book.

Other than that I've had no experience with Hungarian literature.

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Is Indian philosophy just a meme? Has anyone really studied this guy in depth? Does it stand a chance against the Greeks?
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>>8624962
whose skin is s/he (not sure of their gender by this pic) sitting upon? is it the world's small tiger? it weirdly looks as a rare species of a bat
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*smallest
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i've studied for 5 years.
>>ask me anything

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Anyone here have an opinion on "A frolic of his own"?
Recognitions and J R are so loved here, do you feel the same way about this one?
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Yes
No
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>>8625172
Please do elaborate. I want to read more Gaddis and this book is expensive as heck so I'm not sure about it.
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>>8624958
It was actually the first book of his I read and I loved it, however, The Recognitions and even JR (a very cynical work) are way less cynical than A Frolic of his Own, and people who've started w/ R and JR tend to think his later works are too cynical and unrewarding to read. Since I didn't have any previous expectations, I was able to enjoy it.

Personally, it's still one of my favorite works.

Also, you can't find it in your library?

why the fuck did bob dylan win a nobel prize in literature when he's a fucking musician? did they just decide that his music wasn't very good but his lyrics are? even then it shouldn't qualify, holy shit.
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>he hasn't even responded yet

i'm so embarrassed for the academy at this point
they thought they were gonna rock the boat and the captain doesn't even fucking care
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Maybe I'm right and maybe I'm wrong
Maybe I'm weak and maybe I'm strong
But nevertheless I'm in love with you

Maybe I'll win and maybe I'll lose
And maybe I'm in for crying the blues
But nevertheless I'm in love with you

Somehow, I know at a glance
The terrible chances I'm taking
Fine at the start
Then left with a heart that is breaking

Maybe I'll live the life of regret
And maybe I'll give much more than I'll get
But nevertheless I'm in love with you

Maybe I'll live the life of regret
And maybe I'll give much more than I'll get
But nevertheless I'm in love with you


>DUDE LOVE SONGS LMAO
>U ARE BEAUTIFUL AND I LOVE U GIVE ME NOBEL PRIZE
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>>8624948
Are we still posting this? Literature prizes are a fraud and the Nobel prize no different.
Now fuck off back to /a/

I'm moving to Japan next month.

Will I have better luck getting an American agent and selling my novels to a publisher if I use the Japanese form of my name instead of my fucking white male name in correspondence and bylines?
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>>8624934
What the fuck is the Japanese form of your name?
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>>8624941
Orewa Ochinchin Daisukenandayo
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>>8624941
Basically what I was thinking of doing is, wherever English is required, I'd use the standard Japanese phonetic approximation of my name written in romanji instead of my real name written in Latin. But I'd also use my name in kanji wherever Japanese is required.

Let's sat my whitey name is David Foster Wallace. I'd drop the middle name.

kanji: 出美努生夫令寿
romanji: Debiddo Uooresu

I'd address the submission envelope with my name in romanji in the English sender address block, but use the kanji for my name in the Japanese sender address block, and vice versa with the self-addressed stamped envelope (or international reply coupon or whatever).

>Mr. Debiddo Uooresu
>rest of sender address in English

>出美努生夫令寿一様
>rest of sender address in Japanese

I'd sign the actual letter with my name in romanji.

>Sincerely,
>Debiddo Uooresu

What do you think?

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>been watching lots of zizek videos on youtube
>youtube now recommends dozens of noam chomsky videos
Why does youtube do this? Does it have poor taste? Chomsky is a hack and Zizek is a true visionary.
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>>8624892
> he doesn't know about the Zizek-Chomsky "clash"

In truth it's probably because some fag spams Youtube full of monetized videos of Zizek and Chomsky with fake titles. Turns out that there are situations when you want copyright strikes to work.
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>>8624892
>Chomsky is a hack and Zizek is a true visionary
this is bait
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>>8624896
What clash?

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Do you know any poets and do you have a favorite poem?
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I really like Rumi, its pretty cool stuff if you are interested in sufism.
Stay together, friends.
Don’t scatter and sleep.

Our friendship is made
of being awake.

The waterwheel accepts water
and turns and gives it away,
weeping.

That way it stays in the garden,
whereas another roundness rolls
through a dry riverbed looking
for what it thinks it wants.

Stay here, quivering with each moment
like a drop of mercury.
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>>8624967
I too like Rumi but boy is everything homoerotic.
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>>8625007
I bet his asshole was quite Rumi after long nights of "friendship"

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>No I haven't read that ye-
>"Oh! you should!"
>Yeah I've been meaning to...
...for years...
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>>8624824
I've recently started to a book(Foucault's Pendulum of Eco) that I bought in 1997, and procrastinating ever since.
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>>8624983
Might as well just procrastinate eternally. I read a few of Foucault's books before I realized how flimsy his system of "truth" is.
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>>8624993
>I read [...] few [...] books
It shows

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