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Critique Thread

i've started work on a new short story called The Island:

When Esmeralda rose in the morning to fetch the water she would tread carefully on the regions of the floorboards closest to the wall, so as not to wake the Old Woman with their creaking. Though the Old Woman was blind she knew the house as well as a spider knows its web, and the slightest vibrations in its furthest regions would be enough to raise her from her chair and set her tapping across the floor with her cane, croaking “who is it?” in her dry and ancient voice. Esmeralda could not see the need for this, being they the only two souls on the island, but the Old Woman would simply say, “one never knows,” and leave it at that. It made Esmeralda feel chronically unwelcome, a fugitive in her own home. She thought the island a desolate and lonely place.

Will post more if people are interested, and reply to whatever people post itt. Pic unrelated.
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When she emerged from the house with her two buckets clattering on their pole, Esmeralda found a pale and silent island softened by its veil of fog. It clung to the trees, hung shining dewdrops in the grass, whisped noiselessly across the colorless sands of the beaches. As it moved in sheets and layers before her eyes, it would hide and then reveal the long fishhook of the island where it stretched out to sea. The well was out there, on the furthest curved point of the hook, an ancient and mossy cairn of stones built before living memory. There was a freshwater grotto immediately next to the house, but the Old Woman had long ago declared its waters unfit for drinking and warned Esmeralda never to go near it. Rebellious, she crept from the house one clear and moonlight night after this pronouncement to taste from a dipper its waters, and found them as clean and drinkable as she remembered. The next morning she sat by the grotto for as long as it took her normally to walk to the well and back, then filled the buckets and brought them inside. The Old Woman took one sip, knocked the bucket to the floor, and struck Esmeralda on the ear with her cane.

“You try to make a fool of me? That water is from the grotto.”

“What does it matter?” said Esmeralda, nursing her stinging ear, “it’s good, clean water, I tested it myself.”

“Ignorant child,” said the Old Woman, “the problem is not with the water, but what is in it.”

And she would say no more. She could be maddeningly cryptic at times, and if it pained her to keep secrets from her sole human companion it was not apparent to Esmeralda. She spent all that morning mopping water from the scuffed floorboards. Now she made the daily walk to the well without complaint. In retrospect, it seemed silly to shirk this middling chore with so little else to do on such a small island.
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>>8623544
It's not bad. The plot, or what's been posted so far of it, is interesting. It reads a little slow though. Something clunky about it. Doesn't pop for me. It almost sounds a little outdated. If you're like the rest of /lit/ and don't read books written post-1980 (excluding that book from '96), you should do so.

It's absolutely worth finishing though, and I do like the whole thing about not waking up her island-mate. Immediately had me asking questions, which made me want to read more.
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>>8623581

now that you mention it, I don't read many modern books. I do want it the writing feel sort of old fashioned, like a fairy tale, but not to the story's detriment.

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Has there ever been a literary analysis of "greentext"?

There's something distinct about greentext, it's a shift in narrative style that I can't quite put my finger on. And there often seems to be a certain sarcasm behind it. It's also a lot easier to read for some reason.

Some things can't really be conveyed except through greentext, but it's not simply quoting, it's something entirely new. There's a coherent logic behind it, is it just a catch all device for any indirect speech?
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Its context sensitive, but is most often used to mimic the voice of someone quoting in a mocking voice.
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>>8623513
"Some things can't really be conveyed except through greentext" he mimicked sarcastically.
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>something entirely new
I think it's just sentence fragments and the only reason why it's acceptable is because of the setup and medium of 4chan.
I've read some great greentext stories, most of them rely on implications, like microfiction. It's similar to stream of consciousness writing isn't it? More swift.

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Has anyone read this and know if it's worth a read?
I picked it up at a used book store, but haven't had the time to get into it yet.
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Nope.
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>>8623503
Maybe I'll try /his/
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i only need to look at the cover to know it's shit

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Where do I start
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Manufacturing Consent
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>>8623455
We don't recommend leftists to anyone on here. So scoot on, kid
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>>8623463
>>>/pol/

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Can someone please explain this poem to me?

https://allpoetry.com/The-Broken-Tower
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he fuggged another dudes wife lmao
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>>8623407
Crane was homosexual, the poem talks about a heterosexual experience with one of his closest friend's wives, the wife of biographer critic Malcolm Crowley.

It's Crane's farewell to poetry and to life. It was the last new poem of his to be published.
Most of Crane's poetry is up for interpretation, it's just the way he wrote. People disagree on a lot of his poems.
Look at his longest work, The Bridge. It's an optimistic Whitmanian song of American ingenuity, an antithesis to Eliot's Wasteland. It focused a lot on the architecture of New York, praising it in song both to the effect of metaphor and literally. Now consider the title of "The Broken Tower". It was more likely than not meant as a farewell. It's despair in Crane's signature lateral eloquence.
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Anyone have any particular Crane lines in their head a lot?
'minstrel galleons of Carib fire' keeps coming up.

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book for music composing
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>>>/wsr/
>>>/mu/
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Ulysses
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Schoenberg's Fundamentals of Music Composition

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What does this man have against quotation marks?
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Quotations marks make you stop and spit and he has to ride on.
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pointless and clunky
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First answer, best answer. Enjoy your job copy-editing ads for j.crew, op.

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when it comes to books, I hate people describing pic related as the great american novel. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad book, it's just not great. The whole american dream/green light/daisy metaphor/message or whatever just feels empty and vapid.

The prose is incredibly basic, to the point where I feel it detracts from the book rather than illustrate Fitzgerald's brevity. The characters are extremely dull (although I can see an argument for this) and it was hardly saved by is plot which, to be quite honest, was boring with an ending that did not affect me much.

Again, it's not that I think this is a bad book, I just don't understand why it's the greatest american book to some people? It can't seriously be just because of the american dream 'message', because it wears itself very thin very quickly.

does anyone on /lit/ like TGG and can explain to me why it is revered as one of the best of all time?
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>>8623359
Wow, you're on /lit/ and criticizing The Great Gatsby?

You're such a nonbore
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>>8623359
Protip: Authors like Fitzgerald, Clemens, and Hemingway are forced on American schoolchildren because Americans have always been jealous of the great English literary tradition, and are desperate to have one of their own. Americans can't write.
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>>8623370
>does anyone on /lit/ like TGG
it's pretty clear I don't think I'm special for disliking it, I'm asking for someone who DOES like it to possibly explain why.

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Authors where math plays a very important role?

Borges, Pynchon, ???
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Abbott
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>>8623307
>Borges, Pynchon, ???
i dont know
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Does math play into Borges poetry at all?

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Can 4chan be considered a place like a city or a street would?
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>>8623289
>Can 4chan be considered a place like a city or a street would?
i dont know
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>>8623289
It's probably the closest you'll get to a non-gentrified internet community if that means anything
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>>8623300
so a ghetto shithole

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>cheapest versions of the book have movie photos on them
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Stop being poor lolmao
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>movie books
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who buys the movie tie in editions, they are usually the worst quality.

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What is the Rites of Spring of literature?
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Ulysses
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Beckett I guess
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Thus Spoke Zarathustra?

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How much of a influence drugs had on creating literature actually?
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>>8623224
This is a pretty good book about that subject. It starts off with Raymond Carver and John Cheever waiting for a liqour store in iowa to open so they can buy rotgut vodka and from there it details the links between writers and self medication.
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>>8623224
Isn't that just a bunch of Dayquil cold medicine capsules?
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>>8623430
Dayquil and Nyquil contain dextromethorphan as a primary ingredient. If you swallow enough of it, you trip balls.

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Why is it so hard to get a literary agent? I was in this game in 2005, fast forward to now there seems to be four times more agents and they are way more picky.
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You're a fucking white male.

No, seriously.
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>>8623206
>Why is it so hard to get a literary agent?
i dont know

>>8623250
you say it like privilege matters
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The internet, blogs, self-publishing have siphoned a lot of dogshit away from the major publishers. They're very happy not to receive those query letters anymore...

Just like Hollywood, publishers are looking for stuff that will sell and become a franchise...and the genres that sell like hotcakes are chick-lit/romance and children's. They don't give a shit what you look like.

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I wish to be a fucking writer, even if i'm an ESL pleb who write in his first langague only.

However i'm too conscious about my writing and feel like i'm absolute shit-tier, i gaved some of my writing shit to other people, i have an uncle who write too and actually managed to do some money in my shit tier country. They told me it's actually good but also -

>too much violence (yeah it's edgy shit)
>main character is far too much passive and depressed
>uncle even told me how it feels like i'm writing about my self and shitting on myself with no reason
this one especiaily made me even more conscious about my writing because i'm trying to not self insert like a fucking faggot


basically can't take critic for shit because lel no self-respect

i have around 60K words, but i don't know how to continue to keep on writing because i feel like i'm writing horse shit

how the fuck do i motivate myself to keep writing and not give a shit anymore?

and how the fuck do i manage to NOT self-insert part of my personality/shit into characters?

and it's got romance too and sometime i'm actually feeling ashamed about it because i literally don't believe anymore in this crap and just find it cute
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>>8623183
Why the fuck does it matter if you self-project yourself into the book?
As long as the miserable and depressed archetype fits in the story it will be beneficial because you will find it easy depicting a depressed cunt from your personal experience.
Any other complaints can be taken to >>>/r9k/
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I suggest you read more and then come back to writing. Growing up is a good idea too
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>>8623202

it matters for me. i can't really explain it. it just feels wrong.
Please don't send me back into that shithole. I'm trying to never go back there again.


>>8623203
but i'm reading stuff all the time.

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