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Gonna be posting some wonderful quotes form Aquinas's works ITT for the enjoyment of those studying history, philosophy, or religion.

Let's start with Summa Theologica:

>It is to be noted, however, that although these works of demons which appear marvelous to us are not real miracles, they are sometimes nevertheless something real. Thus the magicians of Pharaoh by the demons' power produced real serpents and frogs. And "when fire came down from heaven and at one blow consumed Job's servants and sheep; when the storm struck down his house and with it his children---these were the work of Satan, not phantoms"; as Augustine says

>Some spells are so perpetual that they can have no human remedy, although God might afford a remedy by coercing the demon, or the demon by desisting. For, as wizards themselves admit, it does not always follow that what was done by one kind of witchcraft can be destroyed by another kind, and even though it were possible to use witchcraft as a remedy, it would nevertheless be reckoned to be perpetual, since nowise ought one to invoke the demon's help by witchcraft. Again, if the devil has been given power over a person on account of sin, it does not follow that his power ceases with the sin, because the punishment sometimes continues after the fault has been removed. And again, the exorcisms of the Church do not always avail to repress the demons in all their molestations of the body, if God will it so, but they always avail against those assaults of the demons against which they are chiefly instituted.
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Apparently he also thought fortune-tellers and astrologers predicting droughts were the same as physicians predicting health and death.

>Divination denotes a foretelling of the future. The future may be foreknown in two ways: first in its causes, secondly in itself. Now the causes of the future are threefold: for some produce their effects, of necessity and always; and such like future effects can be foreknown and foretold with certainty, from considering their causes, even as astrologers foretell a coming eclipse. Other causes produce their effects, not of necessity and always, but for the most part, yet they rarely fail: and from such like causes their future effects can be foreknown, not indeed with certainty, but by a kind of conjecture, even as astrologers by considering the stars can foreknow and foretell things concerning rains and droughts, and physicians, concerning health and death.

And magic is VERY real!

>Some have asserted that witchcraft is nothing in the world but an imagining of men who ascribed to spells those natural effects the causes of which are hidden. But this is contrary to the authority of holy men who state that the demons have power over men's bodies and imaginations, when God allows them: wherefore by their means wizards can work certain signs. Now this opinion grows from the root of unbelief or incredulity, because they do not believe that demons exist save only in the imagination of the common people, who ascribe to the demon the terrors which a man conjures from his thoughts, and because, owing to a vivid imagination, certain shapes such as he has in his thoughts become apparent to the senses, and then he believes that he sees the demons. But such assertions are rejected by the true faith whereby we believe that angels fell from heaven, and that the demons exist, and that by reason of their subtle nature they are able to do many things which we cannot; and those who induce them to do such things are called wizards.
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Having a bad marriage? It's probably a wizard's spell. But don't worry, there are solutions and procedures for dealing with it

> Wherefore others have maintained that witchcraft can set up an impediment to carnal copulation, but that no such impediment is perpetual: hence it does not void the marriage contract, and they say that the laws asserting this have been revoked. But this is contrary to actual facts and to the new legislation which agrees with the old.

>We must therefore draw a distinction: for the inability to copulate caused by witchcraft is either perpetual and then it voids marriage, or it is not perpetual and then it does not void marriage. And in order to put this to practical proof the Church has fixed the space of three years in the same way as we have stated with regard to frigidity. There is, however this difference between a spell and frigidity, that a person who is impotent through frigidity is equally impotent in relation to one as to another, and consequently when the marriage is dissolved, he is not permitted to marry another woman. whereas through witchcraft a man may be rendered impotent in relation to one woman and not to another, and consequently when the Church adjudges the marriage to be dissolved, each party is permitted to seek another partner in marriage.
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I hope you find this stuff convincing, otherwise you might be a heretic.

>Now a heretic is one who devises or follows false or new opinions. Therefore heresy is opposed to the truth, on which faith is founded; and consequently it is a species of unbelief.

What Aquinas think of heretics?

>With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side; the other, on the side of the Church. On their own side there is the sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death.

Hello fellow /his/torians, this thread is opened for discussion about the Commonwealth which (except for the partitions) always seems to get forgotten.
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>>392985
Because both the Poles and the Lithuanians want to forget it, I made a joking post on /int/ asking when reunification would occur and it ended up in a huge internet fight between them.
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>>393057
There are two factors actually.
1. Only Poles and Baltics care about it.
2. The only people who care about it hate it.

Those two combine to answer your question, OP.
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>>393057
Just uttering the word "Vilno" is enough to create tremendous Polish butthurt.

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>Tudors were the last native dynasty

>Anglos have been ruled by German and French royalty ever since

Why are Anglos such eager kucks?
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>>392781
>Why are Anglos such eager kucks?
Whatever else would you expect when their legendary King, Arthur, is one?
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>>392781
>and French
What French dynasties have ruled England since the Tudors?
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>>392781
The Tudors were Welsh.

>>392804
Reminder that Arthur is supposed to return to kill all the Anglos.

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What would have realistically happened if Hitler had successfully taken over Russia. Would he have taken over the world?
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your scenario is so wildly unlikely that any answer to your question could be seen as plausible
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>>392563
It must not have been that unlikely if Hitler thought highly enough of the plan to actually go through with it, right?
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>>392560

Assuming he takes control of the russian oil and industry, I'd imagine there's nowhere else to go but stalemate.

He'd expect a surrender from the british, which he did not get.

Japan wanted him to attack India from the west. Maybe that would be his next option to force the Brits to surrender.

Eventually, A-Bomb blows Japan up and is poised to be used against Germany.

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This is bound to happen eventually anyway.

Let's try to actually discuss this conflict from a historical rather than factional point of view.
This thread is not for discussing who is right or wrong, only for what actually happened.

As an opener here is a map of jewish ownership with the UN partitionplan superimposed from 1949
http://www.mediafire.com/view/ba2y4mbxbfgo771/Palestine%20Israel%20Map.jpg#
Too big filesize for 4chan.
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What does his think about edward said and orientalism?
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>>391813
>what actually happened
A bit broad, what exactly do you want to talk about?
Also, I don't think you'll get a neutral perspective, for some reason, everyone has a dog in this fight.
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>>391845
A reactionary shill that targets a western leftist audience.

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Can we get another Aesthetic people of history thread?
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>>391271
Æsthetic and "good looking" are different. I don't think Camus made any particular contributions to æsthetics.
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>>391296
I means good looking to /fit/izens
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>>391296
Aesthetic is commonly used on 4chan to mean good looking, or appealing visually.

The fourth beast is Islam

Prove me wrong

>inb4 Daniel 2
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>>390996
Muslims don't have steel teeth. That's a church lie. Go to bed.
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>>390996
>Christians believe this.
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>>390996

You got this from a book with a sea monster in it didn't you?

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How much *positive* impact did Italy contribute to the Axis' war effort in WW2?
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>>390915

They kept large scale British shipping out of the Mediterranean until 43, as well as soaking up some of the strategic bombing that otherwise would have been diverted elsewhere.

And, don't forget, for most of Rommel's victories, about 2/3-3/4 of his troops were Italians, and he got them to fight pretty well.
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>>390915
They couldn't even defend their homeland
>>390936
Hello Mario
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>>390915
Italy literally cost Axis the war.

The idea that the invasion of Russia was a catastrophic failure and a mistake is a myth. It is 1250 kms from Warsaw to Moscow and Operation Barbarossa made it to within 25 kms, the Germans managed to encircle Leningrad and Stalingrad for a while, though they were pushed back after Stalingrad it wasn't until late 1944 that the line collapsed. It is completely feasible that if Germany had a little extra push they could have at least stabilized the front in the east and made it impossible for the Soviet Union to recover, if not collapsing the Soviet Union, claiming the oil wells in the caucasus and other objectives.

The most notable opportunity for this "extra push" was avoiding delays to the start of Operation Barbarossa, delays caused by Italy's failed invasion of Greece which forced Hitler to divert resources to the Balkans campaign while simultaneously repositioning troops from the invasion of France and supplying them. Had this not happened, Germany would have had an extra few crucial months before the Eastern European mud season and Russian winter, certainly enough to begin the battle of Moscow which Hitler would have devoted the entire German war machine into and could be supplied more easily than the battle of Stalingrad.

Italy was not a poorly developed country, it was wealthier than say Romania which provided crucial support on the Eastern front. Italy had equipment and training that rivaled Germany, the UK and France. There is no explanation for Italy's dismal performance in the war other besides something inherent in their character which caused them to develop fantastic dreams of restoring the Roman empire then speedily surrender 10000s of troops and overthrow their own government when it went a little wrong.

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Is this picture fake?
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Edited to hide his pox scars as I recall.
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>>389861
Yes.
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>>389869
Yeah, this.
He had pox as a kid, and had scars because of it, those were removed from the picture.

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ITT: people who didn't deserve it

entire family, even the qt princesses, dragged into a room and mercilessly shot to death by bolshevik filth
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>>389104
The political logic was undeniable though.

Damn shame, he should've passed up that crown and become a full time family man before 1914. Guy was a pretty awful Czar, but by all accounts a top-tier husband and father.
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>>389104
Boo fucking hoo
Do you honestly expect anyone to reasonably care about one family in 1918, when both WW1 (which caused 18 million deaths) and the Russian Civil War (which led to 9 million deaths) were simultaneously happening? Yeah, just focus all your mourning on the people who actually needed to/deserved to be killed.
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>>389104
He would not spend his time in petty wars with rising and dying countries, and would had probably crushed the Khazarian powered revolutions.

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What sort of historical artifacts does /his/ have at home?

>I have assorted coins back home.
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>>388904
Some NSDAP pins and badges I bought in Germany. You can get this in some second hand stores or at weekend markets.
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My mom has a spanish edition of Don Quixote from 1713 and other valuable french and spanish books.
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>>388904
I have a red army parade/officer's sabre on my mantelpiece, because fucking swords.

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what went wrong?
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>Democracies cannot start wars
It was doomed from the start
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>>388707
That's a really fucking stupid mechanic.
How's the game aside from it? I don't really know HoI, I usually play CKII, EUIV and VicII.
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>tfw its basically a moba now

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So my western civilization teacher just called Louis XVI a kek, do you think this is true?
I agree the guy was a bitch.
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Worst king to ever live.
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He was a decent king, to be honest. He was just there at the wrong time. Wealthy bourgeoisis just wanted to seize power.
Your teacher is an idiot, and so are you, otherwise you'd be studying something useful that would provide you with a job.
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>>388628
We know for fact that Marie Antoinette had an affair with a Swedish officer, that started in the early 1780s. Whether she gave birth to him or not we can say for sure. Anyway, the Queen's sexual misbehavior was an incredibly popular meme in pre-Revolutionary France, so the notion that her children were bastards did fit into it very nicely.

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So what is the difference between Justice and Vengance?
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>>387590
Justice is impersonal. Some asshole is just following orders.
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Justice is seen as an objective punishment, while Vengeance is seen as subjective. Justice is done through systems and people before being finalized while Vengeance is seemingly sudden done through a single person or a small group of people.

A person is found to be a rapist, evidence is sought after, and trials are held. That is considered justice.

A person bitter at the rapist from first hand or from seeing the aftermath either kills them or rapes them with objects. That is seen as vengeance because you are taking it upon yourself to deal the punishment.

Justice is seen as repressing a violent urge to be the "bigger man" while vengeance is seen as allowing anger or hatred to take over. People differ them between self control.

You can masquerade vengeance as justice, but very seldom can you do the opposite.
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There is no difference. Stupid amerburgers didn't understand that you could have a justice system without the need of revenge (safety, rehabilitation) so instead they tried to justify revenge by pretending its something different that is noble.

That's today burgers still sperg out over "muh justice must be done" with capital punishment and shit, while aryans just throw people into prison to protect society, everything else is irrelevant.

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What do you know about Imperial Ethiopia
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>>386958
I mean depends on what exactly, token Beta Israeli American here.

What do you want to know?
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>>386968
Oh and proofs + shag sameach too
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>>386958

i know ethiopia was one of the longest lasting civilisations in the known world, that they left huge ammounts of proof of this, structures, monuments, inscriptions, are mentioned in many ancient texts as such etc... but for some reason no one mentions them, insted its all EGUPT WUZ BLACK

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