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Separation of Church and State. 2016-05-03 06:12:50 Post No.1079577
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Separation of Church and State.
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Why has this yet to come to pass? More so why is it getting further and further from the goal?
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Because basing your state on fairy tales isn't a good idea
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>>1079578
This.
Always fails, eventually. People either stop believing, or get tired of the current belief and go after some other one, and whenever it does, we all know what happens.
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Why do we need morals? Philosophy doesn't actually make progress and have proves no unified facts, so it's worthless in regards to morality, and we all know religion must be rejected if we hope to advance, and those are the only two sources of complex morality, so are we ready, as humanity, to transcend morality altogether?
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Maybe
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>getting rid of morality is good
no
even if try to make it sound good with words like transcend
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What works should I read in order to learn and understand existentialism?
To put it another way, what are the essential texts of this philosophy?
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Sartre invented existentialism, so you'll want to read him and the thinkers he draws on
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Notes from Underground is, without a doubt, the best introduction to existentialism. The narrator gives an in depth explanation of it in the first ten chapters.
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explain the fourth crusade. what the fuck happened
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Deus didn't vult so much
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>>1079314
Byzantines btfo
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>>1079314
Italians ruined everything, like they always do
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ATTERO
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DOMINATUS
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BERLIN
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Catholics and Orthodox have an extremely different understanding of what dogma is and how pertains to the Church
This is the Roman Catholic understanding: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/can-dogma-develop
>the Church facilitates the development or maturing of doctrines.
The Orthodox understanding of dogma is that which was passed directly by Christ to his Apostles. Nothing can be added, ever, by the Church, nothing can be taken away, that is the sum of doctrine (this is why there is technically no dogmatic canon of Scripture in the Orthodox Church, because Christ did not pass on a canon of Scripture, Scripture is an authority only as a witness to what he passed on). Dogma can be expressed in new ways (just saying it in another language is a new expression), but the *understanding* is always the same, the understanding of dogma does not "evolve", it does not "develop" or "mature". The purpose of new expressions are strictly to preserve the same understanding, not to impart a new one. The Church's job is only to safeguard dogma, not to "develop" it.
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>The Orthodox Christians around me were condemning Rome as heresy because of the Papacy, filioque, and other such things (the list is longer or shorter depending on who you talk to). But I realized something: it didn’t add up. If the filioque is a heresy, then what is the Orthodox doctrine of the Holy Spirit? They respond and say “The Orthodox Church teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone.” Yes, this is the doctrine of St. Photios. But do you not know, oh my brother, that St. Gregory of Cyprus has a different doctrine? Does the Council of Blechernae (1285) represent the Orthodox doctrine of the Holy Spirit? Is it ecumenical? Why or why not? They respond, “We’re not sure which one is Orthodox, but we know the filioque is heresy.” But tell me, oh my Christian brother: if I cannot find which is the Orthodox dogma, how can I be an Orthodox Christian?
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>>1079681
Both of them have the same doctrine
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>>1079681
>Further, in the local councils (at Jassy and Jerusalem) which responded to Protestantism, according to Kallistos Ware, “one does not find the Orthodox tradition in its fullness.”47 These canons were later modified because of their western influence. Which dogma, then, is the Orthodox dogma? If the council was modified, on what grounds? If it was accepted, on what grounds? If I claim that, for example, Aquinas’ transubstantiatio doctrine is the Orthodox one (since it was affirmed by Jerusalem, 1672), what will an Orthodox Christian tell me? “No, it’s a mystery. We don’t believe in that western scholasticism.” Why not? Because the current view rejects it? The ‘current view’ once accepted the Immaculate Conception, but now does not.48 The “consensus” once condemned the murder of life-creation, but now does not.49 What of the biblical canon? What is the Orthodox canon? The Council of Jerusalem affirmed the Apocrypha but St. Philaret’s catechism denies these books canonical status. “It is mystery,” I am told, “the Church works by consensus. You can’t hope for some papal responsa. Nothing is defined so exactly like the Papists, that’s what makes Orthodoxy beautiful.”50
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Could the HRE at the height of its power have taken on the Ancient Finnish Empire?
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Only post-MAA activation.
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>>1078933
>Thinking about the lucky few that overcame autism
;-;
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>could a fictional place have taken on this real place?
Like we would know, ask a fiction writer for the answer
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Why were Venetians such absolute madmen, /his/?
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You don't fuck with a serene republic
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>>1078750
I D E O L O G Y
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/trade roots/
/cash money moola baby/
/positioned to dick the relevant areas of the world/
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Christianity and antinatalism? 2016-05-03 02:26:17 Post No.1078587
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Christianity and antinatalism?
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Now some of you may be asking why I say that, after all, isn't the church so supportive of families? This is true, but my question to you then is why?
>after life is eternal and outside of this material world
>Jesus even says not to invest your heart in worldly things (the body is a worldly thing, creating children is investing in worldly things too)
>Ergo in Christianity, there is no purpose in perpetuating the human race
Think of it, if you procreate, that is another body in which a soul somehow manifests, you are damning this child to the life long struggle of good and evil, of righteousness and sin. Instead, you could spiritually perfect yourself and help others so that you all may enter into heaven upon death. Thus, humanity no longer must engage in the struggle of remaining in God's graces.
Does this concept not make sense in a Christian worldview? To me, Christianity deep down is very anti-world and anti-life.
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Genesis 1:28 "God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Christianity is not antinatalist. Children are seen as a gift from God, as if life for that matter which is why murder is a sin.
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Ok but the old law is irrelevant is it not? Did Christ not say that he came to fulfill it? The new covenant creates no imperative for being fruitful and multiplying. This Genesis account was written for the Hebrews too, so it doesn't really stand.
As an addendum, it is not written that NOT procreating is a sin. To me, the new testament seems to support the antinatalist view, it was actually quite common among some early Christian sects, most notably the Marcionites. My guess is that Rome didn't like the idea of people not procreating so it had to be quelled.
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>>1078654
The quote is from Genesis so it doesn't really fall under Mosaic Law.
And while I can't really find any explicit call to procreate in the NT, Mary does say in Luke that generations will call her blessed, and that wouldn't work out if people don't have kids, does it?
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Where did it go wrong? 2016-05-03 02:07:51 Post No.1078521
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Who had the best colonization policy? Personally I like the British policy of indirect rule since it gave Africans experience in modern government.
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>Who had the best colonization policy?
That's like asking what was Meatloaf's best album
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>>1078530
So they all had the best policies?
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Probably the belgians
The Invention of the Jewish People
What does /his/ think about the Jewish people and the definition of "Jewish people" - also: has anyone here read Shlomo Sand's "The Invention of the Jewish People?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People
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>"a certain stage in the 19th century intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people."
>Sand writes, they were similar to other nationalist movements in Europe at the time that sought the reassurance of a Golden Age in their past to prove they have existed as a separate people since the beginnings of history.
>Jewish people found theirs in what he calls "the mythical Kingdom of David". Before this invention, he says, Jews thought of themselves as Jews because they shared a common religion, not a common ethnic background.
So, basically the idea of a Jewish people or a Jewish "race" is a modern idea, "similar to other nationalists movements in Europe at the time", and actually in contrast to what ancient Jews believed.
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that's just zionism though, Jewish nationalism. Jews always considered themselves to be from a certain lineage, that being Judah son of Jacob son of Isaac son of Abraham. But Jews did seek converts in past all the way up to the early middle ages
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>>1078461
They do share a common ethnic background, its pretty obvious. You can spot them coming from a mile away. They're even distinctive looking compared to other west semites.
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>>1078461
The Jewish people were invented in about 800 BC.
Name the best History of the World and justify it.
I have just finished pic related and it excludes too many details.
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>Name the best History of the World and justify it.
There are no good Histories of the World therefore there are no best histories of the world. This is because "world history" is whig shit.
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>>1080167
>t. pansexual genderqueer trans-racial two-spirit
I'm sure you think Marxist historiography is perfectly valid though, right?
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>>1078443
And to answer your question OP, I've only read "the outline of history" by H.G. Wells. The prose is, imo, one of the best prose I have ever had the pleasure to read. The history in itself is slightly more debatable: H.G. Wells is a communist and he lets his commie feelings seep through from time to time. But definitely an entertaining read, I heartily recommend it.
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Did Gaddafi's National Socialism work for Libya up until the civil war? From what I've read it seems like a country that experienced phenomenal growth becoming one of the best countries in Africa, at the same time Gaddafi seemed somewhat reckless with the money of the state.Had Gaddafi not gone power hungry could the system have been sustained?
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Gaddafi was the only man capable of keeping Lybia not a huge shithole.
I present as evidence the fact that now the US killed him, Lybia has turned into a huge shithole once again. Also their new flag is fucking ugly compared to the old green one.
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In fairness, the US presence prevented many deaths due to the amount of aid they provided for the Libyans and their support also helped end the war swiftly. America never started the conflict so they tend to get less hate for their involvement in the conflict.
Although the main issue is that the Americans essentially tossed up their hands and said "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" while ignoring the consequences of their presence in Libya... which seems to a common theme with America's foreign policy historically.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o5Dh8bUz9o
Obligatory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0smTCyTuL8
Just look how they hated him on his shithole.
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Fav historical persons mosaic thread.
Bonus point if you can guess the country.
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Post the template dude.
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Bumping for template.
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Concerning Protestant complains of Orthodox idolotry 2016-05-03 01:06:39 Post No.1078208
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Concerning Protestant complains of Orthodox idolotry
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The ancient Hebrews did not have a problem with images in their temples. If you care to look up the ancient synagogue of Dura-Europos (since destroyed by Daesh), you will see that it was covered with images from the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew Bible itself describes numerous images in places of worship (Exodus 25:19-20, Exodus 26:1, Exodus 26:31, 1 Kings 6:23-29, just like Orthodox temples today, the Hebrew Temple was supposed to be like being in heaven, hence all the angels). First, let's examine the word, used in Exodus 20:4, often translated as "likeness" or "form" is תְּמוּנָה (temunah); the Septuagint's equivalent to this is εἶδος (eidos), this is the term Plato is so fond of, and it is generally translated in his works as "form". This is *not* the same term used for likeness is many other parts of the Bible. For instance, the word translated as likeness in Genesis 1:26 is דְּמוּת (demuth), or דָּמָה (damah) in verb form--this term is also often translated as "similitude" in the King James Bible, such as in Hosea 12:10; the Greek equivalent to this is ὁμοίωμα (homoioma). If we look at how these words are used, the distinction is readily apparent: prophets often used the term "demuth" when describing what their visions looked like (Ezekiel 10:21, for instance), whereas temunah is used to mean a form (man is made in the likeness of God, not in the form of God) such as in Job 4:16, Psalms 17:15 and Deuteronomy 4:12, this term is often used as a stand-in for the face of God, which in Orthodox theology is God's uncreated grace, which is fully and truly God, and which we can behold (unlike God's essence, which is infinitely transcendent and beyond all creatures), it is *form* as opposed to the *simulacrum*. Now the term translated as "graven image" (or "idol" in other parts) is the word פֶּ֫סֶל (pesel), the Greek equivalent of this is the term εἴδωλον (eidolon), which is the source of the English word "idol",
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it comes from the aforementioned "eidos". An eidolon is an avatar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidolon_(apparition) Now this term is very distinct from צֶ֫לֶם (tselem), which is word translated as "image" in Genesis 1:26--the Greek equivalent here is εἰkών (eikón), source of the English word "icon"; you would used the term icon to describe someone's reflection, but you would never use it to describe someone's avatar (idol). While idolatry (idol + latria) is wrong, beholding icons is spiritually advisable, it's not just a matter of ornamentation, it's far more important. The more you behold something like pornography, the more harmful it is to you spiritually, but the more behold something like holy icons, the more beneficial it is to you spiritually. "The lamp of the body is the eye! If therefore your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!" [Matthew 6:22-23, Orthodox translation]. Everything we see affects our spiritual health, either positively, or harmfully, and icons are crucial among the positive things. You are what you see, so to speak.
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Moses venerates his father-in-law: Exodus 18:7
The Shunamite venerates Elisha: 2 Kings 4:37
Mephibosheth venerates David: 2 Samuel 9:6
David venerates Saul: 1 Samuel 24:8
Abraham venerates the Hittites: Genesis 23:12
Joshua venerates the Ark of the Covenant: Joshua 7:6
Or maybe you would say this isn't veneration, but worship? Do you see a difference between this and latria, or no?
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