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What was the life of a common navy sailor in modern and early modern Europe?
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>wake up
>try not to get scurvy
>get scurvy anyways
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A lot of time to kill between sails, a lot of time to kill while on the boat, doing bullshit chores, banter with the lads, shooting a gun once a few months, acquiring STDs the rest of the time.
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sodomy and rum. the lash was a part of it too.

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What's your favorite mythical or legendary (or history-related fictional) place or landmark?

I like El Dorado.
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The holy roman empire
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>>1061055
Pretty much anything to do with Prester John
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>The Agrarian Reform Law of August 1946 nationalized most property of religious institutions. Many clergy and believers were tried, tortured, and executed. All foreign Roman Catholic priests, monks, and nuns were expelled in 1946, and the Jesuit and Franciscan orders were banned. Religious institutions were forbidden to have anything to do with education.

>Beginning in 1967 the Albanian authorities began a campaign to try to eliminate religious life in Albania. All 2,169 churches, mosques, tekkes, monasteries, and other religious institutions were either closed down or converted into warehouses, gymnasiums, or workshops.

>The clergy were publicly vilified and humiliated, their vestments taken and desecrated. More than 200 clerics of various faiths were imprisoned, and some were executed or starved to death. The monastery of the Franciscan order in Shkodër was set on fire, which resulted in the death of four elderly monks.

>The penal code of 1977 imposed prison sentences of three to ten years for "religious propaganda and the production, distribution, or storage of religious literature." A new decree that targeted Albanians with Islamic and religiously-tinged Christian names stipulated that they were to change them. It was also decreed that towns and villages with religious names must be renamed.

>Hoxha's campaign succeeded in eradicating formal worship, but some Albanians continued to practice their faith clandestinely. Individuals caught with Bibles, icons, or other religious objects faced long prison sentences. Religious weddings were prohibited. Parents were afraid to pass on their faith, for fear that their children would tell others. Officials tried to entrap practicing Christians and Muslims during religious fasts, such as Lent and Ramadan, by distributing forbidden foods in school and at work, and then publicly denouncing those who refused the food. Clergy who conducted secret services were incarcerated.

ITT: Post your /his/ hero.
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All those Catholic priests executed by katana-weilding atheists
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>>1060648
Based as fuck.
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>>1060648
and so Albania became the enlightened and developed nation it is today

What the heck is up with all the pirates in the ancient world? It sounds like the Romans struggled with piracy a lot, what with Cilicians and Mamettines rowing about; were they shore-raising pirates or did they just take down ships? It seems like the Caribbean age of piracy was a flash in the pan compared to Mediterranean piracy. Anyone got any good material or theories on the Hyksos/nuragics/boat people?
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What Hyksos have to do with piracy? They were nomad Semitic tribes from Palestine, IIRC.
Also don't forget Greeks, they were the primal pirate nation in the Mediterranean during their Dark and Archaic ages.
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The thing you've got to understand is that these weren't Pirate Pirates in the sense of the golden age of piracy in the early modern period. Most of these dudes were fishermen who lived in coastal communities, piracy was their way of getting stuff they otherwise would have no access to. Rome pacified the mediterranean primarily by invading and conquering the places that were supplying the pirates, not by creating a navy to constantly patrol the sea.
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>>1060029

Well that may be cause you are comparing a timespan of thousands of years with other of just centuries.

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Lets discuss this, since its most important thing about history imo.

To which extent are people made to do things they are doing by their environment and from which point the choice is up to them?

First of all, there is the moral look. I know most of you consider this stupid, but for me its kind of important. I mean you got Lincoln and Hitler as good/bad guy in history, but if Lincoln was born in traditionalist Germany circa 1920 and Hitler in multicultural New York prior to civil war, they could as well switch places and we would be worshipping Hitler and demonizing Lincoln.
This is actual as hell, because whole migration crisis is caused by people who don't know if we should kill ISIS or help them "recover". (pic related)

Second of all, there is the admiration itself. Both Hitler and Lincoln were just catalysts, they just triggered a long-term process. It wasn't Lincoln who wanted to free the slaves, it was whole northern USA. It wasn't thanks to him that it happened, it was thanks to change in perception of mankind, thanks to a process that took decades, even centuries. (Never really read into it so i'm just guessing but you get the point) Why celebrate Lincoln then? Why not just admire the process and learn from it, instead of repeating Lincoln's quotes like he was demi-god?

Anyway just general determinism discussion.
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>>1059974

isnt pic related hamas?
hamas are bro-tier at this point, enemy of my enemy etc

any way, all choices are themselves conditioned and contingent, you could almost say no one realy ever does anything, all things, actions, behaviors, basicaly just happen, and this could be logicaly and empiricaly prooven, but at the same time it would be a rather screwed up way of regarding human life in practical terms, especialy in terms of relations to others and things like personal responsability

in a sense, even if we are simultaneously avare determinism is a true aspect of human reality, so is free conscious agency

its almost like were getting it wrong in that they do not negate each other, but somehow coexist, perhaps even pressupose each other

this problem is kind of one of the basic pillars of most mystic and religious traditions

just dont realy see what its got to do with history, or the immigration crisis, or the war in syria, i mean it equaly has everithing to do with the superbowl and frying chicken, and can realy be turned whichever way, set conditions get behavior isnt realy a specific enough context

think what youre getting at is the humanism informed stance taken by liberals today acording to which humans, ''other'' humas especialy, are fundamentaly to be considered benign and unproblematic untill prooven othervise, instead of as basicaly compeeting, potentialy dangerous and seriously problematic organisms that we have to share the world with - which is basicaly a objective truth applicable to every single human on the planet, you and me included - and that therefore it would be wise to be wary of humas, especialy ''others''

and the reason there is no great public outcry for action to end the war in syria is just basic pacifism, i seriously doubt anyone has any notion of things 'recovering'
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>>1060096

theres nothing 'rasist' or whatever about this when you think about it, its more like a appeal to a reasonable dose of equal oportunity hatred, its perfectly logical to describe human beings as large intelligent beasts, and that makes them, by default, and without negating any positive aspect, a potential danger and a problem
in other words, its specificaly ones humanity, ones basic human-beingnes, not the lack of it, that makes him or her a potential danger and a problem
and with regards to populations and/or organisations this obviously does not just add up but multiplyes

think this is the crucial thing, and it baffles me how something so obvious can be so completely ignored
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>>1059974
Behaviorism

>United Kingdom-controlling half of the worlds resources via colonies and unrestricted acces to all trade routes.
>France-useful bunch of colonies and unrestricted access to treade routes.
>Russia-Enormous land mass with huge population and natural resources.

>Germany- Not enough natural resources, access to open seas always threatened by british and french,some poor ass colonies

Was it really a good idea try to contain Germany an expecting Germans obey it?
Were Germans really guilty for trying to brake this blockade?
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>>1059915
>Russia-Enormous land mass with huge population and natural resources.
>natural resources.
HAH!
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What is international trade.
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>>1059915
>Was it really a good idea try to contain Germany an expecting Germans obey it?
In what way was Germany being contained?
There wasn't a blockade until they started chatting shit. Not to mention that they declared unrestricted submarine warfare

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Have you noticed that whenever Zizek talks about politics in clear language, his reasoning is always, "I like this so the government should do it."? He's a perfect example of picrelated being true. You can wade about in the self referential circle jerk of Hegel and Kant etc for 40 years but in the end you won't have anything to show for it.

The pseudo intellectuals will claim otherwise. They need to jerk off over Plato and Aristotle ad Wittgenstein etc in order to fool others.
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>>1059824
Stalin.
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Examples?
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>>1059829

His recent talks about his new book, against the double blackmail. You can Google them. One is at LSE, the other with the Guardian

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What's your opinion on the effects the "great game" had on the world and the way history swiped both Russia and Great Britain under the rug for it.
Why were the brits so afraid of Russian expansion since there was a very small chance that they would ever be a threat to the empire
Also, do you think that if they would have realized that their rivalry would indirectly cause the destruction of european dominance over the world they would have accept more compromises
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The Scramble for Africa and the Great Game are different things.
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>>1059701
i personally find the sketch to be the best representation of british imperialism whatever the context
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>>1059695
shout outs to Cecil Rhodes yo
I saw his statue in Oxford recently, ppl were campaigning for it to get removed but the Uni kept it in place.

Thoughts on Ike's presidency?
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>>1059423
s'alirght I guess
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I like it
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>>1059435
I like Ike!

Could fellow /his/torian explain to me how nationhood was defined and what role it played in pre-modern societies?

I presume ethnic solidarity existed to a certain extent in the pre-modern era and people still defined nationhood as a layer of their identity(for example the Greek chauvinism in regards to non-Greek barbarbians).

I'd also be interested in any ancient or medieval works that deal with this subject from a more philosophical angle.
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Generally the modern nation state starts to take shape after the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648

I don't really know a whole lot more about it than that but maybe some other anon can help you out.
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>>1059247
If we're talking Europe, then there was no clear nationhood or statehood identity back then. Ruling body often had different culture and spoke different language from the majority of population, there were no borders (except customs because everyone likes shekels) to speak of and religious identity was in some cases more influential than "national" one.

This being said, I don't know much about perception of nationhood in pre-modern area, but I know that Romans, for example, equalized nationhood with citizenship.

>>1059285
This Anon is absolutely correct about peace of Westphalia, but I want to elaborate on it. Westphalia is a land in Germany, not a city. There were two separate peace treaties for Sweden and France which were signed in two different Westphalian towns: Munster and Osnabruck. That happened because Thirty Year War was the first case where two large nations of different religious beliefs decided to act according to their common national interests instead, but they still had to keep some distance from each other.
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>>1059247
It's kind of like obscenity: you know it when you see it.

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Do you guys think that if Hitler sided with the Chinese during WW2 that the korean or vietnamese war would have never happened
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>>1058436
he did
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its why theyre wearing stahlhelms
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>>1058451
I meant throughout ww2
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>>1058436
It wouldn't change the outcome of the European theatre much. It would however put Japan in an interesting place. They would either be tolerated and supplied by the allies, who could've let them keep all territorial gain in China granted they stop taking Allied territory OR could've made Japan a wildcard fighting everyone.

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Orthodox Christians, assemble! Post icons

Daily reminder that Nietzsche was a nihilist by his own definition

>Will to Power; 13 (Spring-Fall 1887)

> Nihilism represents a pathological transitional stage (what is pathological is the tremendous generalization, the inference that there is no meaning at all): whether the productive forces are not yet strong enough, or whether decadence still hesitates and has not yet invented its remedies. Presupposition of this hypothesis: that there is no truth, that there is no absolute nature of things nor a "thing-in-itself." This, too, is merely nihilism-even the most extreme nihilism. It places the value of things precisely in the lack of any reality corresponding to these values and in their being merely a symptom of strength on the part of the value-positers, a simplification for the sake of life.
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I hate to single out Christianity in particular as just about every religion is guilty of it, but does it bother you that certain key elements of Christianity have roots in other religions?

From 'Zoroastrian Saviour Imagery and its Influence on the New Testament'

>"The title Sosyant can be translated Redeemer or Saviour, and the form of the word shows that the work of the figure lies in the future. The title is used both in the plural and singular forms in the Hymns of Zoroaster [...] Nevertheless in the singular it definitely refers to the eschatological saviour who will be born of a virgin at the end of the world, but who will also be a son of Zoroaster. His task is to restore the world, which involves defeat of the demons, raising the dead, assembling men for judgement, and the administration of the same. All this means a return to the primeval state which existed before the assault of Ahriman"

I also struggle with the history of the Devil. It's patently obvious he started out as a member of Yahweh's court and that his role as an adversary to God was a later innovation drawing from Babylonian influences. Am I really supposed to believe that centuries of religious syncretism and theological innovation somehow hit the nail on the head?
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>>1090715
>Orthodox thread
what's the topic
>Being resentful toward Nietzsche!
Way to prove him right about your religion...

I think you need to look back and try to understand what these words meant to contexualize the quote.

> transitional stage
where
> productive forces are not yet strong enough
or
> still hesitates and has not yet invented its remedies
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>>1090733
Please actually cite primary sources.

>>1090748
>if you disagree with Nietzsche or point out a flaw in his ideas, you're resentful of him
Eh?

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Could the USSR have managed without the West, or was the US and UK's efforts crucial for the tide of the war?
If so, what were the actions the West took that definitely helped the Allies win the war that the USSR couldn't have managed without?

Probably asked a bunch of times.
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>>1087570
It was crucial, the USSR just won by the skin of their teeth even if they did the lions share of the fighting.

Were it not for the Nazis and the Japanese being tied up on other fronts by the British in particular the USSR are certain to have lost.
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>OP asks about Western efforts against Germany
>posts pic of Okinawa
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>>1087579
Fuck off, nit-picking sperglord.
I just choose it because it looks cool

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Why don't Christians put more effort into refuting Hume's arguments? It seems to me they waste their time with Nietzsche when all he did was take the line of thought started by Hume to some of its logical conclusions.

Hume is the keystone of the entirety of Modern thought. He should be Public Enemy Number One for Christian thinkers.
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>Why don't Christians put more effort into refuting Hume's arguments?

Because they can't
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>>1081613
There to busy using him to attack new atheism. Which is really just atheists who have not read older atheists like Nietzsche and Hume
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I have never heard of Hume. Why should I care about him?

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/his/
Who were the biggest assholes in human history?
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>>1085808
Rich people.
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White people. Literally enslaved and colonized the entire world.
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Women.

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