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Why does Nazism and Adolf Hitler get associated with white supremacy so much? Why is Neo-Nazism White Supremacism?

Nazism really has nothing to do with white supremacy or white nationalism. Nazis were german nationalists and anti-semites. They believed that slavs were an inferior race, and slavs were white. Nazis never claimed that slavs were not white, and ashkenazi jews are white.

Aryan did not mean white, or "blond hair and blue eyes". Aryan meant indo-european gentiles, except most slavs. North Indians and Persians were considered Aryan, so a brown race was considered by nazis to be superior to slavs, a white race. Other non-white races like the chinese and japanese were considered to be equal to Aryans and therefore superior to slavs. Turks, while perhaps not considered equal to Aryans and East Asian, were considered to be a "herrenvolk", a noble people, and therefore superior to slavs.

The only Nazi who seems to have been interested in white nationalism and a white supremacist was himmler, but even he acknowledged slavs were white.

Nazis were racial supremacists because they considered certain races to be superior to others, and they did consider black races to be inferior, but they can't be considered white supremacists because their superior races included non-whites and inferior races included whites.

The only way I can see that nazism became associated with white supremacy is through nordicism and anti-semitism. Because jews are originally middle eastern and germans and most aryans are white, nazi anti-semitism became associated with white supremacy, even though nazis considered brown people like north indians and persians to be part of a superior race, turks to be a herrenvolk, and apparently did not consider non-jewish semites to be an inferior race.
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I see far right guys praising foreigners, non-Westerners, and non-"whites" all the bloody time.

"[White] supremacist" is just buzzword used because "racist", let alone "race realist" doesn't sound sufficiently effective.
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>>1390995
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Nordicism is the belief in the superiority of the Nordic race, not originating with the nazis, popular in the 1800's especially and dating possibly as far back as the 1600's, at least in its roots.

Aryanism and Nordicism did coincide in a school of thought wherein Nordics were seen as the purest aryans and the original aryans were believed to be Nordic. But generally speaking Aryan never meant Nordic and as a term also long predates Nazism and only became unpopular during and after WW2.

Nazi propaganda liked to depict Germans as blond because Germans as a whole have higher incidences of blondism and so blondism was associated with Germanic ethnicity (by the Nazis but not in the west where Germans were known as swarthy in complexion in comparison to anglo-celtic people). Blond hair and blue eyes is widely seen as attractive (for example even today in the western media, fashion and cosmetics blond hair in women is favored and used a lot) and so Nazi propagandists like Goebbels frequently depicted Germans as blond.

There was an association between "Aryan" (gentile) Germans and blondism, because blondism was seen as characteristic of germanic people, and therefore characteristic of "pure germans" (ie non-jewish), and darker hair and eyes characteristic of jewish ethnicity.

But dark hair and eyes was not seen as being inferior in gentile germans and other aryans, or a trait of impurity as long as the person in question wasn't jewish. And obviously dark hair and eyes was not considered in and of itself to be inferior at all, seeing as certain brown races, and east asians, were considered to be superior races.
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>>1390995
>Nazis never claimed that slavs were not white, and ashkenazi jews are white.

What I mean to say here is that ashkenazi jews are white, and Nazis never claimed that slavs were not white. Some Neo-Nazis like a lot of people on /pol/ (or a vocal minority) claim slavs are not white, because they seem to think the Nazis didn't consider them white.

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>the absence of an objective meaning implies that you can enjoy the freedom of choosing your own meaning of life

I think some existentialist said this and I strongly disagree. Given the logical impossibility of free will, there is no way to "choose" my own meaning. Instead I am forced to experience an existence as a passively suffering observer of events over which I have no control. The general lack of purpose only adds to the suffering because it makes it harder to accept it.

Thoughts? Arguments? Agreement?
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>>1390949
>Logical impossibility of free will
What did he mean (voluntarily, and with intent; proving metaphysical libertarianism once again) by this?
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>Given the logical impossibility of free will

>passively suffering

>observer

>to accept it.

>accept

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How was agriculture invented in several places almost at the same time? Modern humans had existed for at least 100 000 years, but somehow agriculture just happened to be invented in several places around the same time 12 000 years ago.
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There are places where agriculture was never invented, and others were it was invented much later.
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It was a few thousand years apart.

The reality is it probably was invented in one place and the rough concept did slowly spread. Even the prehistoric preagrilcutral world was connected.

It probably also has something to do with a very slow very slight increase in population until a point where agriculture starts to be a lot more attractive.
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The abundance of easy domesticable plants

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why is Melvyn Bragg such an asshole?
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You shut your whore mouth
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>>1390849

Melvyn Bragg is a great presenter, he's smart and well-read and he always gives his guests ample opportunity to explain their ideas.
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>>1390858
>>1390870
If you're not going to agree with me then just fuck off from my thread.

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Can we have an extreme Bible thread on masturbation? If not, why not?

Masturbation: sounds wacky, is not.
Masturbation: anything that does not lead to offspring

Other important life's matters are welcome too. Being too law law, nothing but the law is not the way.
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>Go out of the world:
This position does not mean too little space for normal things of life. Or that are connected to functioning well.

There are no people left to be the world. No one opposes a spiritual house that is correct. Or real right principles of what to do with lust.

>All is sin all is useless:
This is useless in the meaning of sin. Not as Ecclesiastes says.

>Lust is sin:
This is unfundable. There has to be a clear reason why.

>The whole christianity is seeing this wrong:
This is probably true. (...)
Or say or show something why not. That the whole of christianity is seeing this wrong is no reason why it would be right.
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"Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life's nausea and disgust with life, merely concealed behind, masked by, dressed up as, faith in "another" or "better" life."
>Not masturbating right now to enjoy your only life youre getting.
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>>1390587
>Masturbation: sounds wacky, is not.
Cute pun
>Masturbation: anything that does not lead to offspring
What? Like homosexuality or heterosexual birth control?

The Bible may mention not giving into lust, but the Bible does not mention masturbation.
Onan's crime (Gen 38) was coitus interuptus.
The emission of semen in Lev 15:16-18 is nocturnal emissions (wet dreams)

It's all about given in to lustful desires, not about a strict prohibition about masturbation.

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In this game when your city is invaded you can just call commoners to arms and they throw rocks at the enemy how historically accurate it is?
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100%
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>>1390570
Well Pyrrhus of Epirus was killed by an old woman with a roof tile
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>>1390570
Fairly accurate

they wouldn't just chuck rocks though

Have any philosophers argued that moral actions are morally good because they are beautiful, or that the most beautiful actions are the most moral?
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>>1390377
Nietzsche.
Hume.
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>>1390377
>“Beauty is truth, truth beauty,” – that is all
>Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
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>tfw you realized there really is only one type of value, and "truth value" "aesthetic value" and "moral value" are just the contexts

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I read Euthyphro and Cratylus. Isn't the answer obvious in both cases? It's all subjective and piety and names are defined through axioms?

My own thoughts: Honestly, I'm not impressed. I think this is what philosophy is like when you don't have 2000 years of prior literature to endlessly cite and regurgitate and worship. You quickly come to the conclusion that you can't really know anything except your inability to really know anything. When you ask philosophy lovers about this you get a huge amount of obfuscation and unwillingness to seriously confront the ONE thing that Socrates knew during his death, that he knew nothing other than his inability to know anything.

Why do people pretend that the Munchhausen trilemma can be overcome? Every unfalsifiable search space is infinitely large. I get the impression that Philosophy is 99 % marketing.
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Dude it's just spooks lol
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>>1390371

I get the impression you're trying to learn about philosophy and listened to some idiot who told you to start with the Greeks. As you've discovered, this is worthless advice. Start with a modern thinker, the Greeks are interesting only as historical curiosities.
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How is philosophy relevant anymore science covers everything.


>How do you know it could be a demon tricking you? Or we could be brains in a jar!

That's irrelevant we can't know that, nor can you prove that hypothesis we can observe and act by the rules of this reality of simulation. We can't truly be certain of anything but we can live with 99% chance of being right

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So I know the left symbol is the celtic cross, but what is the right symbol?
I regularly see it in pagan-related content, yet I can never find a meaning to it.
Is it simply a stylized celtic cross?
Something else entirely?
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gnostic
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sometimes called a sun wheel not sure on the originl artifact though migration era Germanic for sure thougb
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross

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What are these feels...
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>>1390074
also good /his/ comics
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>>1390074
what am I looking at
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>>1390140
Your life.

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What's the most off-the-wall, unbelievable thing in history that's either true or probably true?
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>>1389907
A woman got pregnant from anal sex.

http://www.womenshealthmag.com/mom/pregnancy-from-anal-sex
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>>1389907

Aliens have infact visited earth in the past. They had little interest except for passive cataloging and soon left. They maintain only a vague interest and observe our planet from a considerable distance.
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>>1389914
/thread

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>founded by a slave
>first people to defeat the Mongol Horde

Can we have a thread about the Mamluk dynasty? They seem interesting I wonder why /his/ doesn't talk about them more
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>Baibars I, an upwardly mobile ex slave who had once been returned to the market place by a dissatisfied buyer on account of his excessive ugliness.
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>>1390237
>YES, WELL DONE QUTUZ, WELL DONE
>HOWEVER
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pls respond

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Is Australian history boring? I think it's pretty interesting a bunch of convicts being sent to Australia and building a great nation eventually earning their freedom.
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The best war that Australia ever participated was the Emu War.
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Explorer shennanigans are fun. Everything else up until the first world war is incredibly boring.
A lot of abo history is taught in primary school too, which should be considered a form a child abuse.
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>>1389636
>building a great nation

I live in Australia and I can tell you that it's not 'great' by any means.

Comfortable living in the urban areas, sure. But there's nothing here that makes me feel proud of being a citizen.

was there ever a person like the man with no name in actual US history in the wild west?
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>>1389556
There were Outlaws, thrillseekers, and bandits.

There were mercenaries.

They were much likely less appealing than TMWNN.

I mean TMWNN doesn't rape or kill innocent people like most outlaws did back then.

And his chaotic neutral ploy of taking Ugly from town-to-town and setting up a hanging only to rescue him is too fraught with danger to actually work IRL.

Moreover the towns would just telegraph each other about the criminal pair.
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>>1389564
This desu. They were also extremely rare. The "Wild" West was never really like it was in movies, outside of the Army vs. Injuns movies.The Wild West was just as peaceful as the current West is today (sans California, in which case it's even more peaceful). Life was harder on the frontier, but it was fair and there was actually not that much crime.
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Frank Canton

>>1389620

No, the Wild West was extremely violent compared to its relatively low population density, which normally entails tranquility. Even being much more peaceful than contemporary California doesn't change that, since contemporary California is radically urbanized.

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What does /his/ think of Richard Nixon?
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>>1389548
Was he a crook?
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>>1389548
despite what the edgelords here will tell you, he wasn't a very good president, though not nearly as bad as history will remember him. everything about his FP was kissinger (I don't really want to talk about him since I don't know as much about him, some people love the guy others hate him). he was also a raving lunatic and everyone on the secret service thought so as well. noteworthy for stalking the halls of the white house drunk as fuck and crying and yelling at portraits of JFK.

Can't believe we got this cunt. Bobby for life
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