What went so horribly wrong?
Sony had no idea what they were doing
>Spider-Man
>Magic?
>>81830747
>Sony Pictures
There ya go
Do you think Nicole ever regrets having Gumball?
Yep. Every day of her life.
Whats with the button on her shirt.
Is it ever referenced or mentioned or explained?
So, i finally went to see it and i wanted to discuss shit with you guys. I'm making a new thread because the others i see about it right now are either bait-ish or devolved into off-topic
So yeah, i was disappointed i'm afraid
I went in trying to have an open mind. Since the movie came out i've read and heard all sorts of opinions and review, either defending or attacking, so i wanted to have in mind all the various considerations, all the pros and cons, i was ready to see all the supposed metaphors, analogies and themes because they were basically already explained to me
And no, it didn't work. I thought the movie's opening was explosive to be honest, ignoring the recreation of the DKR Waynes' scene for nerd-cred i was fascinated by the scenes of Bruce in Metropolis. I guess it pulled all the right strings because frankly his point of view was so understandable imo. But that ironically makes things worse afterwards, you'll see why.
Right after that the movie's weaknesses are already showing, the jump andeventual resolve of the Africa situation was so fucking quick and sudden, it was too obvious scenes were deleted. Superman saves Lois, yadda yadda, we see the african woman at the hearing.Here we see another problem of the movie, i don't know if i have to blame the editing or the script, but shit ain't clear, yo. I'm sure if i didn't already know about the explanation i would've been confused by this scene, my sister was. In an attempt to draw a more clear line on Superman's blame for the situation they end up mistakengly making it look as ifthe woman and all the people listening unironically think Superman killed people, with bullets or whatever. Yeah, sure, "HE killed them"" sounds more powerful and touching than "he caused their death!", but fuck, find the middle road.
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>>81830392
cont.
That's the thing, too many characters speak in riddles in this movie. And references too, people in this universe speak in riddles and references
>"Alfred, the Waynes were hunters... get it? I'm an hunter too now, i hunt Supermen"
>"Lo, in the morning, Lola in pants" what the fuck
>"This is goodbye... and *everytime we say goodbye you die a little* " (this was particularly funny because the first "goodbye" was translated in italian but then the lyrics were kept in english)
And speaking of music, what the fuck was going on with the soundtrack? I know people liked it a lot and were listening to it before even seeing the movie, but holy fuck, it was so obnoxious. Every character or kind of scene had it's own theme, there was nothing unifying the sounds and rythms. The most obvious ones were Lex's theme and Wonder Woman's, and the latter came up in such a weird way when Bruce was just looking at her damn photo. And yes btw, the Justice League trailers were just ridicolous, they had no place in this, WW already i could barely accept, even if she was cool in the final fight. The Knightmare scenes too, they literally came out of nowhere. I'll admit the parademons looked cool, but that's NOT how you tease future movies. You just don't stop the narrative for the sake of... whatever the point was. Did they make it just because the movie barely had any action at that point? I can't fucking tell
But let's get back to the characters. Batman cool, yeah, i don't mind the killing since i was already used to Burton, BUT that brings up another problem i'll mention later.
Lex? Lex was... i dunno. I don't think i hated him, he was spergy and shit but i think at moments that worked.
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>>81830454
cont.
I don't think i hate him as far as characterization goes. But i do hate him because he was basically a walking plot device. He's only there to make things happen
>Make Batman and Supes fight
>Make people hate Supes
>Make Lois investigate him
>Make Bruce steal his Kryptonite
>Make Doomsday
>Make Bruce know about the metahumans
>Make logos
>Make Darkseid come to Earth (???)
>>Knows Bats' and Supes' real identities but we never know fucking how
I understand the criticism about how his real purposes are always unclear, buuut i think i got it, he just wants the world to "realize" that power over others can't be good. "If God is real he's not all-good", you know. I get it, but i also think it's a really weak reason, felt like babby's first atheist argument. Especially because it still doesn't explain why he picked up Batman of all people to be Superman's antagonist (how did he know Bruce already hated Superman? He just guessed because the Wayne building got wrecked? How did he see through Bruce's mask of a stupid, drunk billionare?), or why he created Doomsday. And no, i don't buy the "he did it as a plan B against Superman" explanation, because he started experimenting way before the "fight night" even started. And why the hell did he assume this conveniently existing abomination was about to follow him? Just because it was made with his blood, for whatever reason? I thought Lex was supposed to be a smart scientist? No, i can't buy the "muh Frankenstein" explanation either, all of his plans throughout the movie were perfect and worked perfectly but he's suddenly THAT irrational?
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>>81830504
cont.
What else should i say. Oh yeah, i still didn't even mention Superman. Holy shit Clark, what did they do to you. First of all i keep noticing how they nerf all of his non-combat powers, for plot convenience i guess
>Oh noez, i wasn't looking for the bomb
>Oh noez, i stopped Batman but i didn't bother to check what was in that dangerously armed truck he was after
>Oh noez, i can hear Lois in trouble when she's on the other side of the planet but i can't ever notice my mom
>Oh noez, Batman threw a gas bomb at me, i guess i should've still been able to follow all of his moves through the smoke with my super-vision buuuuut nope
But again, just like in MoS the character is too passive. He's pushed around by literally everyone in his life. He's not allowed to be a good journalism ("Clark, you're on sports!" lol), he's not allowed to be a good saviour because Lex sabotages that, he's not allowed to speak his mind because piss bomb, he's not allowed to feel good about his heroism because ghost dad 2.0 (what the fuck was up with that), he's not allowed to tell Batman about Martha because i don't fucking know, i guess he was too mad to speak? Yeah, i get it, the world eventually accepts him because of his sacrifice, but holy shit was that a painful journey, for both the character and me, as a fan.
Like, seriously, while watching the movie i was thinking "well, at least everyone seemed to agree the big fight was cool, i can look foward to that" but WRONG. It was painful. Those characters had no good reason to fight.
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>It is Zuko changes his mind episode.
So pretty much every episode he's in.
>>81830365
Zing!That was a good episode to be honest senpai
>It is Sokka having romance with a girl episode.
Oh no, it's going to be Whor all over again
I am like 99% sure they said Terry was Batman already.
>>81830086
Yeah, they outright said it was Terry.
>>81830050
I really hope they bring Terry back.
Tim Drake was a mistake.
ITT: character rip offs
Pic related is just a rip off of the Joker
>>81829998
(You)
I'm not sure, but I'm thinking maybe Aquaman.
Not-Batman
Why does Felix the Cat have such a record of mediocrity?
Felix's original shorts were great stuff, but once he had to compete with color, he basically tripped on his shoelaces and never really pulled himself back up until The Twisted Tales of Felix (79 years later), and that was short lived.
It just seems weird that when Felix sticks to his origins, he excels in quality, but any time he avoids it, it results in mediocre media.
Flooded by younger competition. Disney of course, was a much different style of cartoon, but they are a huge studio. The Warner Brothers cartoons came from the absurdly underpowered Termite Terrace, but made very clever cartoons in basically the same style as the old Felix shorts.
The original Felix the cat shorts were really the first of their kind. My guess is that once the transition was made to color/sound and higher quality film in general, the emphasis was placed on that rather than the expression and content of the story itself.
Will you still see it?Do you have any hope for it?
Yes and no.
>>81829234
Yes and no. Hopefully it'll be hilariously bad like BvS.
>>81829234
>Will you still see it?
Yes
>Do you have any hope for it?
Fuck no.
Is the IDW Transformers series good to read if I don't know much about the franchise? Finished playing Devastation and kinda want to read it, and I love the IDW Turtles series.
>>81828623
start with Last Stand of the Wreckers.
and go from there.
I started reading directly after the "All Hail Megatron" series and liked it alot up until they broke off into "More than meets the eye" and "Robots in Disguise".
All Hail Megatron and the Dinobots mini-series are the only good shit they've done.
Anyone can tell me who is this in the photo?
phantom renegade from medabots
>>81828540
space ghost
>>81828598
thank you
Since when did Aeris get so cute? Also VG cats thread
>>81828422
>Since when
since always
where the fuck have you been OP?
>>81828422
VGCats still exists?
>>81828422
Just did one of these. Check the archive.
Is it so wrong to say that I would consider this thing as one of my waifus?
Also ITT: Favorite CN rebrand.
powerhouse & city era ftw
>>81828356
City Era was the best era.
>>81828356
>tattoo
dropped
So, /co/, now that Homestuck has ended and I fucking hate it now, what are some web comics with interesting universes/Worlds/concepts/whatever that I can get disappointed at?
Rice Boy is excellent, one of the best webcomics ever made and with a satisfying ending. It's set on a disc-shaped world without any humans, populated by a lot of strange denizens.
Unsounded has some pretty solid worldbuilding; it might seem like generic fantasy at first but it has a very unique form of magic and a pretty weird afterlife sort of deal. This one's still ongoing.
Digger is about a talking wombat that mysteriously finds herself in an Indian temple talking to a statue of Ganesh. Unable to get home, she must unravel the truth behind why her hole won't take her back.
i missed the reaction to the ending, link to archived thread please?
>>81828597
Thanks man. Rice Boy looks especially interesting. but I'll check out the other two as well.
Hey, so here's a comic.
Who is he?
>>81828122
>he
>singular
There's your first mistake.
>>81828122
I dunno ask Grant Morrison.
a fictional character