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>Patch 4.05 Notes
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/782e44043959ae82ead5c6745dac3297a0083b69

>Live Letter Q&A
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/337124-Letter-from-the-Producer-LIVE-Part-XXXVII-Q-A-Update-Thread

>Patch Notes
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/patchnote_log/

>Job Guide
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/

>Resources, Guides, Free Companies and Linkshells:
https://pastebin.com/raw/HuaAJ6wM (embed)

Previously on /xivg/: >>183208368
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good
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Is there a bard dps guide anywhere?

Should I dot up adds or just aoe them down?
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Slowly but surely my Ironworks increase.
This will take a good number of days for the rest though.

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Previous Thread: >>183169520

BASIC INFORMATION
==========================================
>Notation
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/legend.php
>Character Overviews:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yqgxbES6su4clpQou2hzlZN40rpPBtwmMRKWfexbj3g/preview
>Frame Data
http://rbnorway.org/t7-frame-data/
>Top 15 Moves per Character
https://drunkardshade.com/2017/05/27/tekken-7-top-15-moves-for-all-characters/

TUTORIAL VIDEOS FOR NEW PLAYERS
==========================================
>KBD
https://youtu.be/3whW6bh9Aks
>Buffering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38iJWsjc_w8
>Oki/Tech Trap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYqbvQljTw0
>Throw Breaking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4em9HzrwFI
>Wavedash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMtFCy8LreM
>Wavedash/Backdash on Pad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU5Ji23k4LU
>Getting Up
https://youtu.be/11oZkTYI6Rs
https://youtu.be/j-PDc20Jezg
>Video Playlist for Combos with Every Character
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDzNGonyeoUtBqYuqku0QqNwk2mcSlV_n

NEWS
==========================================
>Tekken World Tour Announced
http://tk7.tekken.com/news/tekken-world-tour-announced
>New PC Patch Segregates Hackers and Other Fixes
http://steamcommunity.com/games/389730/announcements
>PS4 Patch Version 1.03
http://tekkengamer.com/2017/07/04/ps4-tekken-7-patch-ver-1-03-launched-japan-regions-soon-follow/
>Tekken Bowl Trailer
https://youtu.be/-BaJENh1Irs
>Geese Announced
http://gematsu.com/2017/07/tekken-7-adds-geese-howard-fatal-fury-dlc-winter
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>pick josie
>press random buttons
>win
lmao fucking babie champ
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Does Devil Jin just make the other Mishimas obsolete? He has all of their strengths and none of their weaknesses.
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i can't be the only one who wants a minion to be the third guest character, right???

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NERO FEST HURRY UP
Previous: >>183220495

Game released with Prologue (Fuyuki) and Chapters 1 (Orléans) and 2 (Septem)

>[FAQ]
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA (embed)
>[Mega Pastebin]
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk (embed)

>[Wiki]
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/
- Chaldea Gate: Daily Quests - http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/quest_daily_us.php
- Drop rates (click on the NA tab): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_SlTjrVRTgHgfS7sRqx4CeJMqlz687HdSlYqiW-JvQA
- Check the schedule and drops before asking in the thread.

>[Master Recruitment Campaign]
Campaign Period: June 26, 2017 (Mon) 4:00 ~ July 31, 2017 (Mon) 23:59 UTC
https://webview.fate-go.us/2017/master-recruitment-campaign/

>[Nintendo Switch ver. "Fate/EXTELLA" Release Celebration Campaign]
Campaign Period: July 20, 2017 (Thu) 07:00 ~ July 27, 2017 (Thu) 3:59 UTC
- Free "Fate/EXTELLA" CE
- Commemorative Mystic Code: "Memories of the Lunar Sea"
- Commemorative CE available - Exchange your Extella Ticket for 1 out of the 6 available CEs

>Commemorative present to celebrate the new release:
- 12m QP
- 4 Golden Fruits
- 1 Summon Ticket
- 12 Saint Quartz

>[ ! ] [66,666 Facebook likes, Gilgamesh rate up]
Campaign Period: July 06, 2017 (Thu) 7:00 ~ July 20, 2017 (Thu) 3:59 UTC
Pt. 1 - http://fate-go.us/news/?article_id=44191
Pt. 2 - http://fate-go.us/news/?article_id=44202

>[Other Campaigns & Miscellaneous stuff]
- [ ! ] The voucher distribution Campaign got extended and restarted on July 19, 4:00 UTC. Pick up ends August 03 - http://fate-go.us/news/?article_id=44304
- First Order Bluray Release Celebration Quest - July 06~31st.
- [ ! ] The Half-AP cost Campaign is in effect until July 20th.
- Master Mission - Complete Mission objectives each week to gain Saint Quartz fragments
- Friendlist: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M8_ZNP-WinrDQvwckh6Q7DMK5Z8RSx7ZshXTLCaI4zo
- Add yourself to the list: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSctk0n_OdMusCdkzQPQu8AHD-3Drc0kXqHOmKWJDpY-VkHVEg/viewform
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Shirou Servant WHEN?
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dumb wojakposter

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Neighborly reminder that a game which lacks strong zoning, is a game not worth playing.

Neighborly reminder that Dragonball FighterZ will be a poorly crafted fighter with abysmal space control, awful movement when compared to the Marvel series, lack of assist variety, and no appreciable character archetype diversity. Just because it's not Capcom doesn't mean it won't be bad. If you have to constantly compare yourself to current Capcom to make a game sound good, then it's a shit game.
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>"Wow guys i'm not shill, i get no money for saying good stuff about MVCI"
>Literal who invited to play new characters on main stage, not marvel champion or someone, just because
Fchamp everyone
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why aren't we making our own fighter?

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Fastless Edition
previous thread: >>183169425

>READ the pastebins BEFORE asking stupid questions
GENERAL FAQ: http://pastebin.com/wyz3Ye1g
Additional FAQ, SERIOUSLY, READ THIS ONE: http://pastebin.com/GHStmm22

>How to join Warbros NFA or the Alliance: http://i.imgur.com/gu5HZxZ.png

>Notable links
/wfg/ Discord: https://discord.gg/7P8Y63T
Wiki: http://warframe.wikia.com
Essentials: http://deathsnacks.com/wf/index.html
Buying and Selling items: https://warframe.market
Farming Prime parts: https://www.war.farm/index.php
Droptables by DE (probably rigged): http://www.warframe.com/repos/hnfvc0o3jnfvc873njb03enrf56.html
WF news: https://semlar.com/
Raid Setups and individual Builds:
THE LAW OF RETRIBUTION: http://pastebin.com/dMMdZRpY
THE JORDAS VERDICT: http://pastebin.com/NLPSMBed
Warframe Raid Schoolbus: Hide your power lvl and follow the rules: https://discord.gg/aUTTyWH
DPS calculator and weapon build planner: https://github.com/GottFaust/WWDC/releases/tag/0.8.2 (not maintained)
DPS calculator and build planner No.2: http://warframe-builder.com/ (frames, weapons and companions)
Top guns: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mdgJUyNrsHWRMveKwFrpdMJQWyyEGE4Wpo34e8BzE74/edit#gid=157275360
Frames and Modding: https://pastebin.com/D8Ckdz0c
Tierqueer Filters: https://git.io/vMhaS

---
CURRENT UPDATE: Chains of Harrow (Update 21)
> https://forums.warframe.com/topic/809842-update-21-chains-of-harrow/
CURRENT PRIME ACCESS: Oberon
> https://forums.warframe.com/topic/801884-oberon-prime-hotfix-2062/
---

/wfg/ OP pastebin, if it's not like this one report it and make a proper one: http://pastebin.com/iAgtMahh
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Chromatic Blade
Gas status build on melee
blind and gas them
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Valkyr is a good kitty.
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>We didn't try to promote particular class
>Release bunch broken cards for that particular class

Incoming nerf
https://twitter.com/shadowversegame/status/887244868245798913

NEW GRAND MASTER RANK
https://shadowverse.com/news/maintenance/news-0124

Official Website:
https://shadowverse.com/

Tool for deckbuilding and card checking
https://shadowverse-portal.com/

Useful Links: https://pastebin.com/SZNKYEMi

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Best husbando leader soon.
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Another Claudia OP?
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>>183231697
This thread is mocked for that particular class, check OP.

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Ditzy Attendant Edition

NEWS
>Hashino thanks western piggus: http://personacentral.com/message-director-katsura-hashino-celebrating-western-release-persona-5/
>New game domains registered: http://personacentral.com/potential-persona-5-spin-off-website-domains-registered-including-p5d-p5u/
>English P5 DLC schedule: http://personacentral.com/persona-5-dlc-scheduled-announced-english-release/
>Next major event announced for August 2nd: http://personacentral.com/large-scale-persona-live-event-announced-august-2-2017/
>New Persona games to be announced 2017: http://personacentral.com/atlus-to-announce-several-games-in-2017-includes-the-persona-series/
>New Atlus studio "Studio 0" to create new RPG named Project Re Fantasy: http://personacentral.com/atlus-project-re-fantasy-concept-video-site-update/
>Persona 20th Anniversary radio CD announced: http://personacentral.com/persona-20th-anniversary-radio-cd-detailed/
>BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle announced, will feature P4 cast: http://personacentral.com/blazblue-cross-tag-battle-announced-features-persona-4-arena/

INFO
>P5 Info
pastebin.com/MJuR9h0S

GUIDES
>General Guide
pastebin.com/eCHRjKCZ
>PQ Guide
pastebin.com/Bq16HvJh
>P4U2 Guide/Resources
pastebin.com/M3MPepKb

DOWNLOADS
>Art, Guides, Music, etc.
pastebin.com/Vh0CdRit
>P4 Dengeki Comic Anthology
mediafire.com/?4kjjaf0jtw2jyj3
>Persona Image Collection
mediafire.com/?9j3us2v34coua
>Persona 5 Resources
pastebin.com/CZEvEgiE
>Persona ISOs
mega.nz/#F!5iQAGTLB!U1LUUTLtawRdsWSDDFSAQQ

MANGA
>Scans
personascans.tumblr.com
mediafire.com/personascans#unst48ukbu457
pastebin.com/L3WXvsf3
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>>183229790
Why would there be
If they could bond with him he would be a totally different character unless it happened after the cruise ship
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I can't wait for Persona 5 Akechi Goro of the Resurrection!
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She's mine /pg/

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/twg/ The Generals' General - Delayed Norsca gameplay stream edition

Norsca Roster:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/norsca-army-roster/

Norsca Racepack CGI trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrbDa9EBR0

Mini-campaigns are gone, 4 LL packs instead
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/early-adopter-post-launch/

Dark Elves Roster Reveal:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/dark-elf-army-roster/

Total War: WARHAMMER 2 – Dark Elves In-Engine Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB6FaGBz0Lo

Total War: WARHAMMER 2 - High Elves Let's Play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-8RQCwevAk

Total War Saga Announcement Blog
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/a-total-war-saga-announce-blog/

New Race Pack for TWWH1, New DLC for past historical game and other stuff:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/what-the-teams-are-working-on-07-06-17/

Lizardmen In-Engine Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3CmxjTFv_Y

Lizardmen Roster Reveal:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/lizardmen-army-roster/

High Elf Roster Reveal:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/high-elf-army-roster/

Total War: WARHAMMER 2 – Announcement Cinematic Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxe897bW-A

>FAQs and General Info
http://pastebin.com/gZ1T9VCN
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?2191-Total-War-WARHAMMER-Modifications

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Screenshot sharing and campaign posting encouraged!
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The lores of magic are extremely inflated and should be cut back by 80%.
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Krell
Krell
Krell
Pick one
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>>183229778
1

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>Fire Emblem Heroes FAQ and links
pastebin.com/sCR1qRtB

>Links and Resources
pastebin.com/DSnHZ3EC

>Fire Emblem Echoes Links
pastebin.com/qwVAhNkb

Previous:
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Sonya is shit.
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She's shit.
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>>183228465
Buy a PS4 Pro. Loco Roco and Uncharted look great in 4K.

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BETA is LIVE on PS4 and Xbox
Destiny 2 BETA is LIVE

3rd subclass confirmed edition.

>>>NEWS<<<
Destiny 2 Gameplay Reveal Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn1dML6RC5w [Open]
Destiny 2 E3 Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8E7jUjOQi0 [Open]
Destiny 2 Zavala Story Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H0RD-E38So [Open]
Destiny 2 Official Beta Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcDVmVfPLA [Open]
PC Details: http://www.pcgamer.com/destiny-2-pc-reveal/
IGN First: http://ie.ign.com/articles/2017/07/03/destiny-2-all-the-newest-details-in-one-place-a-ign-first
Latest TWAB: https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/46062/

>>>D1 RESET INFO<<<
Nightfall: The Sunless Cell w/ Arc Burn, Berserk, Brawler, Airborne, and Daybreak
Heroic Strikes: Small Arms, Chaff, and Airborne
Heroic Story: Specialist and Grounded
Crucible Weekly: Zone Control
Xur: N/A
Trials of Osiris: N/A

Weekly Featured Raid: Crota's End
Deathsinger Challenge: Must attain sword from Knight after clearing all adds and then taking the sword and killing Ir Yût with it.
Crota Challenge: No one can drop the sword and no one can wield the sword twice.

>>>BETA INFO<<<
Beta is up on PSN and the Beta file is 15.06 GB

You can still redeem your beta code if you have not already, enter it on Bnet's redemption page.

For those who pre-ordered digitally on PSN, here's a link:
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/games/destiny-2-beta/cid=UP0002-CUSA08415_00-DESTINY2BETA0001

Optional clan for new players coming through for the beta:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/Detail/1985671

Obtaining the BETA if you haven't pre-ordered via JPN PSN account (Circle = Confirm, Cross = Back):
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/6mtct8/how_to_obtain_early_access_for_β_free_of_charge/
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1st for the beta is boring
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>>183228142
2nd for no pc for destiny 2 :(
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3rd for raid on D1?

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Welcome to the Sonic The Hedgehog General. Here we talk about Sonic's stuff! Share art and music, talk about new developments, discuss ROM hacks, speedrunning, and more.

/sthg/ #828 - RIP Archie Sonic Edition.

>Link Compilation<
http://pastebin.com/J6hTXkhK

>Drawfag/Writefag Idea Walls<
http://pastebin.com/j8KkPQ4n
http://pastebin.com/jNKKMk5b

>Sonic News<
Archie Sonic Officially Cancelled; Not the End of Sonic in Comics
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/887809496898088960

Several Sonic Events Happening at San Diego Comic-Con 2017
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/07/sounds-of-sonic-music-event-set-for-san-diego-comic-con/
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/07/sonic-mania-behind-the-scenes-panel-at-comic-con/
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/07/sonic-augmented-reality-experience-coming-to-sdcc/

Tons of new info on Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric Development Found
http://www.tssznews.com/2017/07/11/tons-of-new-info-on-sonic-boom-rise-of-lyric-development-found/

Sonic Forces Main Theme Lyrics Revealed - "Fist Bump"
https://youtu.be/XI97jY3FZ9Q

Sonic Mania Vinyl Album Announced
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/878297582383976449

>General Interest Links<
/sthg/ Level Development Kit 3.0:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw9wQojS0lxpXy1vZHpRcjJtekU/view?usp=sharing

Birthday Bash Zone
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw9wQojS0lxpamZnSzItcURDUFE/view?usp=sharing

Sonic Time Twisted
https://overboundstudio.com/index.php?action=game_page&id=1

Bump in Sonic 1 v0.1 + Source Code
http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/x5kpc8IZ/file.html
http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/Vh05gC9s/file.html

Green Hill Paradise Act 2
https://mega.nz/#!bdtByBRB!QENQpUU2fzjYSs79s0Y0lR5Zx1Tt5CI6v3f-buPsUo4

Sonic Boom Seasons 1 & 2 can be watched here:
https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Sonic-Boom
https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Sonic-Boom-Season-2

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First for HAHAHAHAH YEEEEAH ABOUT TIME IT DIED
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Previous Thread: >>182769350

ROBO RABBIT TIDDY EDITION

Ask one of the following people in world for a group invite: Sovot,RollTier,Chainsword.Audion,rivarman,neurocognitive
> /vg/ group : secondlife:///app/group/41548e97-0945-f938-67b2-88ee0d825ad6/about
> Group info (may be outdated, just ask if confused) : https://pastebin.com/uHGXQiqb
> Want to be an anime grill?: https://pastebin.com/qfp1Wve7
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>>183223563
What kind of milk do robots have?
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>>183223563
second for porky binch
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Here comes T.Racer!

NEW COMIC:
https://comic.playoverwatch.com/en-us/doomfist-masquerade
Animated: https://reader.madefire.com/work/OVERWTACH-DOOMFISTMASQUERADE/read

>Doomfist will become live on 7/27:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBaWAxeHcw0

>Most recent developer update
https://youtu.be/-uKkAyLPJe0

>Latest PC patch notes
PTR: https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20861969
Live: https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/game/patch-notes/pc

>Overwatch dev tracker and lore
http://www.overstalk.io
https://imgur.com/a/iYaTq

>Hero tips, tricks and basics
https://pastebin.com/Qf2AKa8R

>Source / Quake mouse sensitivity converter
https://jscalc.io/calc/djyxBymfcWCIgD4f

>Personal stats / leader boards
https://overbuff.com
https://masteroverwatch.com

>eSports info, Contenders League and World Cup 2017
https://over.gg
http://gosugamers.net/overwatch
https://www.overwatchcontenders.com
https://worldcup.playoverwatch.com

>Previous thread: >>183194869
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I WANT A REINHARDT TITTYPAD
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LF Mercy Mains to boost
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The dumb blue haired cunt who made the Doomfist model needs to be fired

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Links:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/
https://wowhead.com
http://mmo-champion.com
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Portal:Main
http://warcraftpets.com/wow-pets/index/

WoW Token Price:
https://wowtoken.info

Blood of Sargeras to gold:
US: https://rodent.io/blood-money
EU: https://rodent.io/blood-money-eu/

Downtime?
NA: https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS
EU: https://twitter.com/BlizzardCSEU_EN

Invasion schedule:
https://wow.gameinfo.io/invasions
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So I want to make an alt, which class is more fun - rogue, monk or priest?
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hello!
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>gf asks if i want to do black temple
>sure
>log in, she's on her rogue alt she hasn't played in almost six months
>iregretthisalready.jpg
>we're halfway though when she suddenly exclaims "the glaives are mine if they drop, you know"
>ohboyherewego.gif
>"well let's both roll on them if it drops"

Later, after they didn't drop, she's legitimately in tears over how I was apparently "so selfish" for suggesting we both roll on a piece of loot.
I bring up that I switched to my hunter after coming back from quitting the game so that she could get the legendary daggers, pointing out how I wouldn't have done that if I was as selfish as she claims.
>"that's not the same i worked for the daggers and i want the glaives, you can't just say that you want them too!"

I just wanted to play a video game... ;_;

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Game released with Prologue (Fuyuki) and Chapters 1 (Orléans) and 2 (Septem)

>[FAQ]
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA
>[Mega Pastebin]
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>[Wiki]
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/
- Chaldea Gate: Daily Quests - http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/quest_daily_us.php
- Drop rates (click on the NA tab): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_SlTjrVRTgHgfS7sRqx4CeJMqlz687HdSlYqiW-JvQA
- Check the schedule and drops before asking in the thread.

>[Master Recruitment Campaign]
Campaign Period: June 26, 2017 (Mon) 4:00 ~ July 31, 2017 (Mon) 23:59 UTC
https://webview.fate-go.us/2017/master-recruitment-campaign/

>[Nintendo Switch ver. "Fate/EXTELLA" Release Celebration Campaign]
Campaign Period: July 20, 2017 (Thu) 07:00 ~ July 27, 2017 (Thu) 3:59 UTC
- Free "Fate/EXTELLA" CE
- Commemorative Mystic Code: "Memories of the Lunar Sea"
- Commemorative CE available - Exchange your Extella Ticket for 1 out of the 6 available CEs

>Commemorative present to celebrate the new release:
- 12m QP
- 4 Golden Fruits
- 1 Summon Ticket
- 12 Saint Quartz

>[ ! ] [66,666 Facebook likes, Gilgamesh rate up]
Campaign Period: July 06, 2017 (Thu) 7:00 ~ July 20, 2017 (Thu) 3:59 UTC
Pt. 1 - http://fate-go.us/news/?article_id=44191
Pt. 2 - http://fate-go.us/news/?article_id=44202

>[Other Campaigns & Miscellaneous stuff]
- [ ! ] The voucher distribution Campaign got extended and restarted on July 19, 4:00 UTC. Pick up ends August 03 - http://fate-go.us/news/?article_id=44304
- First Order Bluray Release Celebration Quest - July 06~31st.
- [ ! ] The Half-AP cost Campaign is in effect until July 20th.
- Master Mission - Complete Mission objectives each week to gain Saint Quartz fragments
- Friendlist: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M8_ZNP-WinrDQvwckh6Q7DMK5Z8RSx7ZshXTLCaI4zo
- Add yourself to the list: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSctk0n_OdMusCdkzQPQu8AHD-3Drc0kXqHOmKWJDpY-VkHVEg/viewform
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I love my wife!
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Remember to pick the Gil card
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Dumb female masters

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