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>>9646900
I'd say put it up online.
Can't hurt anybody with it.
I'm certainly interested.

>>9647628
I don't suppose you know if there's any translations of it already out there? There's a lot of...government position titles in this story that we don't have an equivalent for in English, and I'm trying to find terms that are both easy to say and intuitive in meaning. I'd like to see how other people have solved this problem.

Hell, I wouldn't mind just talking so someone who's read a translation recently.

>>9648371
Try asking over at int's sino threads if there is one up.
They can supply you stuff from the chinese internet. (Even if it's in english)

And for the translation of titles.
Whenever I come over terms like that I footnote stuff.
I'm currently working on a translation of "The master of go" and I use footnotes fairly regularly.
But that's translating the english version into another language.

So footnotes if you dare to go down that route.

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>>9646681
They are pretty good popular summaries of real research (with all the problems inherent in that process) if you're too retarded to read peer reviewed journals.

Great little poem ya got there. Hes saying that modern life is bleak (Grey Truth, a painted toy), that an old world has died never to return, that time wrecks all.

Yet he holds words to be our only hope, which is not to say publishing or being read, just that learning to use words is a way to avoid despair.

Thus he plods along reading and writing, a happy shepherd in a decaying world.

>>9646696
I'm very much with you on the use of words as a way to avoid despair, as you say. The shell is a really great image. And I agree with your comment about time being the real problem, according to Yeats, what with the "sick children of the world" bit and the Chronos bit.

But I guess my question is, what do you think he's saying time has done to society? Is this poem about the end of romanticism, or about industrialization? Do they relate? Is it relevant to our current period of societal change?

>>9646742

One would need tobe familiar with him to get at his particular gripe with modernity. "Grey Truth is now [the worlds] painted toy" does seem to suggest a frustration before empirical, scientific or materialist ideas which in my opinion (and basically everyone elses) are indeed the cause of anything distinctly modern.

The Arcadia/woods reference would probably shed light on this but im not super familiar with how poets typically use Arcadia as a symbol (other than it representing pastoral bliss).

>>9646620
long time dnd player. Lately I've been pretty let down by the experience. I tried to run Dawn of Worlds with my group, was hoping to branch into collabrative world building and storytelling games like Shock Social Science Fiction and Microscope, but Dawn fo Worlds was a total debacle with one of the rules lawyers freaking out.

Now we're stuck with that guy running 5e dnd premade adventures and it's draining my soul. If they weren't my friends I'd be done with it.

On the other hand, not dming has given me more time to focus on writing.

>>9646620
Similar story to >>9646673

Collaborative storytelling is fun with the right group but that's been hard to come by lately. Found an online group that looks promising, all the players are level-headed so far, but the DM accidentally ruined their own plot so we had to do a little time-skip and just pretended that the messed up portion resolved itself somehow so we could move on. Kinda killed some of the tension, but at least they admitted they made a mistake and we were all mature about it.

It's given me tons of ideas for my writing, too, which is nice.

1. Aesthetics is the category of philosophy that aseses taste, art etc. Start with stanford encyclopedia of philosophy entry which will give you a good floss of what questions, ideas and thinkers are relevant.

2. Criticism is the field that deals with assessing individual works, and involves highly technical ideas specific to the medium (like music theory or piano playing). Its usually a matter of masters assessing others in their field.


Btw julius eastman is fucking awesome, good taste sir

Music appreciation is pretty superficial until/unless you study music theory, anon. At that point, you're better off learning the piano for the intellectual cred desu.

google it n-rd

I doubt this thread will go anywhere but it depends on the genre.

If your going paranormal pick a random thread on /x/ and study the recommended reading on that subject.

/tg/ has some pretty great resources if you check their sharethreads dilligently for pre-written setting files for all genres.
Add embelishments that fit your theme that seem relatively sensable in your setting. If you can't your'e not ready to make a visual novel.

>>9646389
This isn't really relating to sci-fi concepts, but a huge chunk of the first part of Umineko is just explaining family dynamics and the history of the family. It's actually really important for understanding the motivations of the characters, and it tries to be interesting, but in the end it's mostly just lots of dialogue and the main character straight up telling you things about the family.

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>>9646389
Just start with the greeks and you will have enough material for a lifetime. Uchikoshi is entry level as fuck.

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No, it's just proof that Dostoevsky is a time traveler, if Notes From Underground wasn't enough proof already

>>9646086
For all the cunny prose, I got very few boners out of it. I laughed more than fapped.

>>9646086
I really enjoyed it and I know what you mean about being overdone, but so much of it is so tight and outstanding and the character is so unreliable and a dick that it may have been done on purpose, to portray him as a pseud, furthermore the few interviews that I've watched of Miller he sounds like a street urchin from Brooklyn, but ToC is the only thing from him that I've read.

There were some great passages in it, care to share your favorite parts or what you enjoyed so much from it?

It's alright when you're young, stupid, and horny. His best works are Sexus/Plexus/Nexus. Not sure why Henry Miller has fallen out of favor these days.

>>9646050
Starting with the critique of judgement would be fruitful. Otherwise good prose could be boiled down to conveying as much information as possible with as few words as possible, i.e. precision and economy. But of course there are a million contradictions to this

>>9646050

That's a very broad topic IMO. One might claim it's about bringing a sense of belonging to the reader, e.g your world building does not consume the mind and take focus out of the story, yet the story is not a dry sequence of facts and interactions that could be happening in just about any world whatsoever. Something along the lines of causing the reader to experience the same mental images (inside a threshold of modification of course) you are imagining when writing about them. It specifically amounts, to a certain extent, to a careful interplay of description and narration.
Describe the world surrounding the facts, and describe the characters while they are acting, do not separate one from the other as it was supposed to be didactic.

Another aspect one might rightfully put into play is that the very words you choose to string together represent another layer of aesthetics. Whereas you're not supposed to write a poem with metrics and whatnot, there is for most people a certain level of pleasure to be gotten from reading a particular set of words in a particular order, even being induced as to the tone with which they are supposed to play out the sound inside their heads. This layer of abstraction would correspond to having people read faster when you are going through an intense moment in the story, for example. And force them to stop and contemplate the next step to be played out when the story calls for it. Think of it like the words being a guiding hand: you not only take the reader where you want him/her to go, but also choose the pace of this movement.

This last point is very hard to "learn". As you put it yourself, how would I know what a reader might find beautiful? Your best bet on this is literal trial and error, and also experience of cause, i.e, read a lot yourself and attempt to examine which parts thrilled you the most in this sense. Aside from reading, talking to people and more importantly listening to them is also of great help. When you listen, you measure the things people say that make themselves happy (from their facial cues and so on), and when you speak, you measure the things people listen to which gives them pleasure. And finally, when they are in the position of reader, they experience a little of both (by mentally reading words to themselves). That's where this experience will help you, help them.

>>9645976
Medieval "preachers" had 100x the prestige and skill of your average YouTube star.

>>9645996
prestige maybe.
but their skills were probably pretty laughable on the whole

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>>9645996
It is easy to say they had more prestige than a YouTube star because you are contemporary to these YouTubers and rightfully scorn them. These wandering preachers probably had their tons of critics in their days.

>>9645531
t. someone that uses fiction books as escapism and thinks hes superior to people who play videogames all day

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>>9645486
Even if it's just Danielle Steele novels, this makes him the one eyed man in the land of the blind.

>>9645540
Oh boy I can't wait to escape into depressing literature where the main characters kill themselves and meet unfortunate circumstances.

I thought that was a guy aiming a huge gun at a James Joyce poster and I got excited that something cool was happening. Turns out it's the worst thing of all time

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>>9645405
>It doesn't feel like I was here...It feels like I was there.

isn't it b-ok.org now?

>>9645340
New album sucked dick, demon days was the apex of Gorillaz and everything else has been an unsatisfying drawn out conclusion.

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>>9645340
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/

it doesn't matter