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>>9855798

The Lady is the most feminist character in fantasy fiction.

Would watch The Black Company.

>>9855798
Not if they wanted to make money, and they do. Dumb thread.

Also dumb for the fact that there is a tv adaptation in the works

Woo hoo

ok.

>implying the government isnt behind it to capture book thiefs

i distrust

"Intellectuals" are all talk.

Prove him wrong.

>>9855751
I think that if you call yourself or anyone else an "intellectual", you should stop.

I think Taleb makes sense, but it irks me that he is retweeting PrisonPlanet, Stefan Molyneux and Baboon Mindset.

Hegel is a pain in the ass to read. I am also quite familiar with other kinds of philosophy, even philosophy BASED on Hegel. But Hegel still is a pain in the ass and a very slow read for me. Tried several times and given up.

I usually hear recommended that his lectures on History is his best introductory work. It's a lecture he made after realizing that even after years of university none of his students understood his philosophy so he does some explanation of terms and so on.

Early Theological Writings (Works in Continental Philosophy) ISBN: 0812210220
Hegel Faith and Knowledge ISBN: 088706826X
The Difference Between Fichte's and Schelling's System of Philosophy ISBN: 0887068278
Lectures on Logic ISBN: 0253351677

The Philosophy of History (Dover Philosophical Classics) ISBN: 0486437558
Lectures on the Philosophy of World History (Cambridge Studies in the History and Theory of Politics ISBN: 0521281458

The Encyclopaedia Logic: Part I of the Encyclopaedia of the Philosophical Sciences with the Zusätze (Hackett Classics) ISBN: 0872200701
Hegel's Philosophy of Nature: Encyclopaedia of the Philosophical Sciences (1830), Part II (Hegel's Encyclopedia of the Philosophical Sciences) ISBN: 0199272670
Hegel: Philosophy of Mind: A revised version of the Wallace and Miller translation ISBN: 0199593027

Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit ISBN: 0198245971

Hegel Elements of the Philosophy of Right (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought) ISBN: 0521348889

>>9855715
Start with his lectures on history of philosophy

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>>9855707
This one, of course. assuming you mean the one you keep for perusal in the loo

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>>9855707
Gravity and Grace, made me convert to Catholicism desu

>pic related my spiritual waifu

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How about some actually innovative thinkers like pic related?

'Start with the Greeks' means read their philosophy and literature, not modern writing about them.
Not that doing so will hurt, but I just wanted to make sure you understand.

>>9855710
However these mytholigies in original form are not annotated or appended so I should get a gestalt of Greek history before reading them.

The graph I chose for starting with the greeks recommended this book as a first read and I cannot obtain it so I want to know if a 20th century alternative which is easily accesible through audio and pdf forms would aid me as much

>>9855722
Not referring to the 'mytholigies [sic]', it's the plays and epic poems. The myths are only useful in that they're good annotations to those works. You needn't get annotations on the annotations, else you'll need annotations on the annotations on the annotations too ... where does it end?

>>9855641
I picked up his diaries at the library bookdump. Flipping through it at random your sample seems to be representative of his style.

>>9855641
I'm a National Socialist today because of this book. Make of it what you will

Great descriptive prose and eye-opening commentary. Only distraction is hair shirt Speer has to wear throughout, lest he appear gloating.

damn, still can't beat lovecraft

It little profits that an idle king,
By this still hearth, among these barren crags,
Match'd with an aged wife, I mete and dole
Unequal laws unto a savage race,
That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me.
I cannot rest from travel: I will drink
Life to the lees: All times I have enjoy'd
Greatly, have suffer'd greatly, both with those
That loved me, and alone, on shore, and when
Thro' scudding drifts the rainy Hyades
Vext the dim sea: I am become a name;
For always roaming with a hungry heart
Much have I seen and known; cities of men
And manners, climates, councils, governments,
Myself not least, but honour'd of them all;
And drunk delight of battle with my peers,
Far on the ringing plains of windy Troy.
I am a part of all that I have met;
Yet all experience is an arch wherethro'
Gleams that untravell'd world whose margin fades
For ever and forever when I move.
How dull it is to pause, to make an end,
To rust unburnish'd, not to shine in use!
As tho' to breathe were life! Life piled on life
Were all too little, and of one to me
Little remains: but every hour is saved
From that eternal silence, something more,
A bringer of new things; and vile it were
For some three suns to store and hoard myself,
And this gray spirit yearning in desire
To follow knowledge like a sinking star,
Beyond the utmost bound of human thought.

This is my son, mine own Telemachus,
To whom I leave the sceptre and the isle,—
Well-loved of me, discerning to fulfil
This labour, by slow prudence to make mild
A rugged people, and thro' soft degrees
Subdue them to the useful and the good.
Most blameless is he, centred in the sphere
Of common duties, decent not to fail
In offices of tenderness, and pay
Meet adoration to my household gods,
When I am gone. He works his work, I mine.

There lies the port; the vessel puffs her sail:
There gloom the dark, broad seas. My mariners,
Souls that have toil'd, and wrought, and thought with me—
That ever with a frolic welcome took
The thunder and the sunshine, and opposed
Free hearts, free foreheads—you and I are old;
Old age hath yet his honour and his toil;
Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.
The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks:
The long day wanes: the slow moon climbs: the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends,
'T is not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

Were beth they that biforen us weren,
houndes ladden and havekes beren,
and hadden feld and wode?
The riche levedies in hoere bour,
that wereden gold in hoere tressour,
with hoere brightte rode;

eten and drounken, and maden hem glad;
hoere lif was al with gamen i-lad,
men kneleden hem biforen;
they beren hem wel swithe heye;
and in a twincling of an eye
hoere soules weren forloren.

Were is that lawhing and that song,
that trayling and that proude gong,
tho havekes and tho houndes?
Al that joye is went away,
that wele is comen to weylaway,
to manye harde stoundes.

Hoere paradis they nomen here,
and nou they lyen in helle i-fere;
the fuir hit brennes hevere:
long is ay, and long is o,
long is wy, and long is wo;
thennes ne cometh they nevere.

Even when I first read this it was able to resonate strongly with me despite my inexperience with anglo bark-bark nonsense.

>>9855606

I strongly suggest against this. Second hand accounts are usually, in our commercial and adulterated world, are misleading and academic ones are too long and boring and pointless without reading the original work.

What you can do is not read entire books but just skim through them for an hour or so to give you a general idea of what kind of a person the philosopher is and what his notable thoughts are, but of course everyone has their own interpretation of things but there are also common things that everyone can agree upon. Does that make sense?
Also, kids here in this board havent even read aristotle or descartes so they might me misleading and something like quora answers or university lecture notes might be more credible sources for these kinds of questions.

>>9855619
What about stanford encycopledia of philosophers

goddammit lit is slow
BUMP

>>9855559

>was casually talking about freud to my mom last month and she acted like it was weird.

Of all the people you could talk to about Freud that is indeed a weird choice to go with.

Freud wrote a lot of stuff besides his bit about the Oedipus complex; the fact that that's what people focus on about him says more about them than about him.

>>9855559

Girls don't like Freud mate. His pop culture image makes him appear very phallic-centric which makes them feel quite insecure and as if they're not talking to them personally. A valid criticism I think. Plus, a lot of people (usually women) have a rosy view of people's psychological makeup. Talking to them about the views of a man who most certainly thought everybody had unconscious drives that impeded their ability to connect with anybody else in a healthy way (see: civilisation and its discontents) is anathema to them.

>>9855544
I used to think the same way. I too thought I must be wrong. The truth is that one day it will "click", you'll read a poem that hits a nerve and you won't look back. I bought my fiance this Everyman's Library collection of cat poems, thinking it was cute. She asked me to read a few out loud to her so i did. Most of them were just funny, and a few were a little sad. But then, out if nowhere, one of them got me so choked up I couldn't finish reading it. It was a strange moment, but since then I've been giving poetry a real chance. A fucking cat poem opened my eyes.

>>9855554
So it just takes the right poem at the right time. Then, I shall keep an open mind for when that time finally arrives. Thank you.

>>9855544
Why do you think that you could get more out of a few pages of a book than a stanza of poetry?

Anyone who wants either concentrate in only one of the two activities and ignore the other or split the attention into not completely focusing on either one of them.

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>He listens to music while he reads.

>>9855536
>>9855540

Yeah well it's mostly because i have tinitus, so i use ambient to drown it out.

>>9855498
Read The Recognitions and report back. It should give you enough food for thought to last you a few months.

Re-start with the Greeks.

>>9855515
This

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>>9855450
As would him also

>>9855460
This is only expected of latinos.
What is Faulkner's excuse though?