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Now that the gas has cleared, who is America's foremost prose stylist?
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>>9855434
oh cmon now
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>>9855434
Thomas Pynchon
William Faulkner
William Gaddis

Not many come close to those 3, in my opinion. The only 2 novels I've read that do are Women and Men and Darconville's Cat, but from what I understand Theroux never reached those heights again.
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Living? Ligotti, without a doubt, and without even being a horror buff.

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Please, someone tell me what makes a writer good.
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Read Aessop and you'll realize he ended literature over 2000 years ago
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one possible answer: wisdom.

you read schopenhauer: he makes total sense.
you read plato: it could not be otherwise.
you read nietzsche: ofc he's right.
you read pic rel: how else could it be?
you read x: x.

if you know what you are trying to say, and you believe it, the reader will also. certain kinds of writing aren't like painting. it may very well be more like mind control, as weird as that sounds. but better to call it something else. minds are just plastic like that.

same as training to do anything else. you see somebody doing something really well, some of that rubs off on you. you can learn more about cooking from fifteen minutes with a world-class chef than from three weeks with some random dude.

ofc there are literary stylists, but this too is just the product of understanding yourself well enough to be able to say what it is that you are thinking or feeling. because it all comes from Nature or whatever you want to call the experience we live in.

i don't know. just my hot take. the more you know about a thing, the less you have to worry about What Did He Mean By This. just read everything there is to know about a given subject and then say how you feel about it. if you've read everything there to know about subject x, whatever you say will in the end be interesting to anyone else who wants to learn about subject x. it will bore anyone who is not into subject x, but who cares? you're not writing for them anyways.

just write about what you love, anon. that's all that matters. there's no point in writing about anything else except what you love and want to talk about.
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>>9855441
How do you become a wise man, girardfag? Is it the by-product of reading a lot? Having a virtuous life?

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Has anyone here dream Dream Story by Arthur Schnitzler? I'm a big fan of Eyes Wide Shut so I've been considering reading it for some time now. Does anyone know if the Penguin translation by one J.M.Q. Davies is any good?
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>>9855410
feel the same way about EWS and am wondering same thing. its short tho, so good reminder, i might just read the pdf this morning

last time i watched EWS something clicked. i was talking with my gf and i said something like, "i wonder why there are christmas lights in most scenes" and she said, "anon, those are not christmas lights, those are part of the rainbow."
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>>9855410
>translations
reading it in german is the only patrician way
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>>9855410
Plan to read it. Never seen it mentioned on /lit/ before. Nothing else to contribute.

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Can you guys tell me a book that would help me be less shit at interpreting stories? So far I've tried looking at poems and then comparing my interpretation with that given by academics, and I'm almost always wrong. That, and following these things just doesn't come natural to me, especially when we're talking about a full length novel.
I've taken a look at the stuff from the wikia, but I can't really tell which would be best suited for this.
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I think you should actually pay more attention to context. Suppose you're trying to read and get a solid understanding of Thoreau's Walden. You might want to know something of Thoreau's thoughts and ideas beforehand and, in this case, reading some of his shorter essays, or aphorisms, should help you. Keep in mind that academics, especially in recent times, are much more prone to slip their own agendas in their interpretations. Do read critique if you find it interesting, but beware.

In the words of Hobbes: "...he that takes up conclusions on the trust of authors... loses his labour; and does not know any thing, but onely beleeveth."
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Scholars dedicate their entire careers to the study of a handful of selected authors, you didn't. You interpret from your experience, they interpret according to the authors' historical, social and cultural context.

Reading the Bible is a constant challenge to your interpretive abilities, particularly when seemingly discordant passages show up. It actively calls you to make sense of It.

We shouldn't forget hermeneutics was born out of Bible studies.

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/lit/, give me some books about dance. Non-fiction only.
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>>74381944
Heres a bump because im kinda interested
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>>9855332
dance, huh!

Skin, by Kathe Kozha

> non fiction only

never mind.

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Wife is at work and I'm bored. Anyone want a story?
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>>9855331
Why do you let your wife work?
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>>9855344
So I can invest her paycheck
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>>9855351
The cost of her working, for you and society, is greater than whatever you might think you gain.

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Lately I've been getting tired of the usual topic of sadness, depression, alienation, etc... I understand how important it is to look at the world for what it (mostly) is: Chaos, pain, suffering, negative emotions, etc... We've all been there and can relate one way or another to that. To add to all of this, there are truly compelling writers and philosophies about how meaningless or, to put it more precisely, how small and fragile we are in the grand scheme of things. But I just feel that this only makes us grow a thicker skin instead of trying to change our ways, at least to switch the mindset for a moment.

However, I find it truly inspiring to look at pieces of media and actions that while not truly negating this ideas, give out the ephemeral emotion of feeling good and complete. I won't go to the point of saying that a positive mindset will turn your life around, but a sincere emotion of happiness is just great and I feel that it makes everyone around experience a less sad life for a moment.

People might argue that most pop media just tries to do that, that the whole point of Capitalism is to make us feel good about how shitty out lives are, but you can notice how fake or 'plastic' that is. How commercialized and bottled experiences are just that, somehow we can feel that inauthenticity. I'm talking about purely good hearted, sincere and authentic works (whatever they are, but it's harder to see it in books) that give out a feeling of 'wholesomeness'. I know there are people that give the same feeling too, for many Bob Ross is an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEU0stNfkxI

Do you guys have any examples in books? I know kid's books can be like this, but I don't know many.
Can you guys at least relate to it?
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Nah

>When participants were asked to press a button and rate the control they perceived they had over whether or not a light turned on, depressed individuals made more accurate ratings of control than non-depressed individuals.[6] Among participants asked to complete a task and rate their performance without any feedback, depressed individuals made more accurate self-ratings than non-depressed individuals.[7][8][9][10] For participants asked to complete a series of tasks, given feedback on their performance after each task, and who self-rated their overall performance after completing all the tasks, depressed individuals were again more likely to give an accurate self-rating than non-depressed individuals.[11][12][13][14][15][16] When asked to evaluate their performance both immediately and some time after completing a task, depressed individuals made accurate appraisals both immediately before and after time had passed.[17]

>In a functional magnetic resonance imaging study of the brain, depressed patients were shown to be more accurate in their causal attributions of positive and negative social events than non-depressed participants who demonstrated a positive bias.[18] This difference was also reflected in the differential activation of the fronto-temporal network, higher activation for non self-serving attributions in non-depressed participants and for self-serving attributions in depressed patients, and reduced coupling of the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex seed region and the limbic areas when depressed patients made self-serving attributions.

tl;dr Depressives have a more accurate grasp on reality
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>>9855341
I never denied that desu
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Unironically Winnie the Pooh. It's an absolutely beautiful work. However, I think you might have to understand that a lot of the wholesome stuff is going to feel childish. I also think that's part of the point of wholesome, relaxing, or otherwise affirmative media, especially books--to be childish.

>>9855341
OP just wants some happy reading.

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Edgy or something more?
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I've never read him myself, but everyone who's ever recommended him to me has been a pseud. His novels are short, though, aren't they? It's still summer, might be worth it to buy one, make yourself a whiskey, and sit one hot, lazy afternoon and see for yourself. If he's good, then you've found a new author; if he's bad, then you've learned a new way how not to write (sometimes reading bad books is more useful than reading good ones).
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He's pretty good. I think he's been called dirty realism and thats about what his work is. He gets a lot of hate for some reason which I don't really get, I think the beats in general get a lot of hate.
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>>9855259
Worst thing to ever happen to poetry

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Translations General: The First Edition edition

>which translation of Homer should I read
>should I read Kaufmann’s translation of Zarathustra, or a more recent translation
>should I read the Anscombe translation of Philosophical Investigations, or Schulte and Hacker
This board has too many of these threads. Usually they’re one of the same dozen questions that end up being answered with one of the same two or three dozen answers. Why not condense all of these down into one general?

>why should I post in Translations General?
Easy! No, really, it might be easier this way. Let’s say this general takes off. This board is lucky enough to be graced by a few actual scholars, who might come to /lit/ and go straight to /translations/ with the purpose of seeing if there’s a question that falls within the scope of their knowledge. Or, maybe the resident Romanian literature scholar is asleep, but there’s some other anon awake who’s seen some variant of your question before and remembers Rudislav’s answer. It’s also possible (in fact likely) that someone has already asked for a recommendation for whichever work you’re looking for. Paradoxically enough, your question may be more visible if posted in this thread than it would be if you made a new post for it.
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OP here, I'll start us off:
Which edition of the Book of Disquiet should I read? It's a particularly sensitive issue here, since not only do I need a translator, but I also need an editor, who in this case has to curate a collection of notes left behind in some dead author's trunk.
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>>9855256
>translations
lmaoing @ ur life
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>>9855256
"Rudislav" is not a Romanian name. Bad start.

Is it really that bad?
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Who said it was?
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>>9855251
i think wikipedia says something about critics being underwhelmed
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>>9855227
read it, let us know afterwards your thoughts . no sarcasm intended .

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What is some literature that takes the Resurrection seriously?
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This may help: https://youtu.be/qIdCRanZZyw
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resurrection/redemption is an extremely common theme in literature. tale of two cities is a major example.
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The purpose of exploring for deeper truths is to eventually develop the means with which to create a greater meta-narrative for life, and thus raise life, for truth itself is cold and does not empower anything.
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>>9855221
Decision makers who value safety will find it advantageous to protect each other and not harm each other, since one would lose very little and gain safety and much more when one cooperates with others. This is a secular basis for ethics.
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>>9855221
If the world turned to face me, it would break.
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I am No ones bloody keeper

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>digital library of over 4,000 ebooks
>read none of them

anyone else know this feel?
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>>9855143
>Buying digital goods when you can buy them in physical version
You know you don't truly own anything digitally right? they can always take it back from you with some bullshit law in their contract if they really want to

Also books are more pleasurable when you touch them
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>>9855163

he probably meant just pirating ebooks. why would someone buy 4000 ebooks?

also that's retarded. that's something someone who views books as a fashion statement would say


can you recommend me ur top 10 coffee table books, mr thinkgeek?
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No I don't.

>own 3 bookshelves full of books.
>reading in front of them gives me the slight push I need to read that extra page or two per sitting
>feel my brain reward itself after placing a read book neatly back on the shelf
>everyone compliments my bookshelf and checks it out
>ohh I've read this one! What did you think anon?
>go into lengthy literary discussion over coffee and pastries


Ebooks are a meme

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For those of you who wanted Peterson's definition of Post-Modernism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naWWzn2fxWc
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>>9855137
how i am supposed to take seriously someone that sounds like a puppet frog?
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>>9855137
His definition is limited to Derrida and it's a misinterpretation at that. Or maybe his problem is with the misinterpretation of Derrida by others. Basically he hates what he calls 'postmodernism' because it can lead to psychic turmoil and totalitarianism when the professors say that everything is a social construct. It seems he believes this has a basis in Derrida's critique of phallogocentrism. He doesn't explain it very clearly. I assume he's blaming Derrida for the action of the professors instead of reading Derrida. He says he read Foucault though.
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>>9855162
Thoughtful men usually are soft spoken or shrill. Nietzsche was extremely timid and was criticized by an acquaintance in a letter that he conducted himself in person as if he never spoke to others before, and ordered things like dining utensils with compulsion. In all probability he was a shrill kraut.

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>The fall (bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonner-ronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthur — nuk!) of a once wallstrait oldpar
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>>9855108
retaled again...in bed...christian minstrelcy...

I wish I had that book memorized by now.
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>>9855108
This was maybe the second most rewarding thing I've read this year.
>tfw no Anna river waifu to stick up for you no matter how much of a loser you are
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>>9855124
tell me tale of stem or stone
Tell me tell me! Tell me elm! Who are shem and sawn the living sons and daughters of? Night now!

I only remember loose bits but oh what a laugh

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