Standard sci-fi races

>>>/lgbt/
>>>/b/
>>>/trash/
>>>/out/

>>54584977
I like space elves.

star trek probably set the most pop cultural impact on standard sci-fi races

humans, common and uninteresting
vulcans, smart and logical
klingons, strong and honorable
romulans, space romans
green skinned space babe of the week

most people only take the concepts, and often mash them together or split them up, so they often end up different anyways (asari are vulcans and technicolor space babes combined, turians have elements of both romulans and klingons)

a lot of sci-fi races are used as stand-ins for existing countries, to examine the relationships and cultures without bringing real life bias into it, so they tend to bounce around a lot more as times change

>>54585046
Like Eldar or like Vulcans?

>>54585057
Like Nobledark Eldar.

>>54584977
>But Sci fi, even space opera sci fi never does.

humans, space babes, reptilians, greys and insectoids

>>54584977
You one of them alien nyphos, huh?

>>54585050

Fantasy races tend to riff on general human social classes and personality archetypes. So they are more portable and durable.

Rubber suit sci fi draws from human historical empires for inspiration. The general categories are usually there, but there's more to draw from. Also there are conscious efforts to stay unique. Elves are in the public domain; Vulcans(tm) are not.

Rubber suit settings are about simplification. There's a forest planet, a desert planet, a beautiful crystals planet, and a "it's snowing today" planet. Similarly, there's a warrior race, a scientist race, an evil capitalism race, a spies race, a having sex race, etc. But those categories are less settled and there are more ways of expressing them.

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>>54584977
>But Sci fi, even space opera sci fi never does.
What are Greys for 500$, Alex?

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>>54584977
Can I address the problem of sexy alien races?

I watched a lot of sci fi and a lot of porn but so far the only alien races I find sexy are the Twi'lek, OP pic and the plant ladies from captain Harlock. Everything else is ugly.

>>54585240
That comic always made me to sad to fap.

She tried so damn hard and got nowhere and everyone took advantage of her condition rather than trying to help her.

>>54584977
>Would you prefer such races to exist?
I don't even want fantasy to have a solid standard.

>>54585416
>>54585127

greys exist only in setting where Earth is invaded/infiltrated by something. Ok I admit they are a stable common occurence.

Even the Swarm is pretty traditional now (even if only Starcraft and 40k use it).

But no else. You have space princess which is 100% human looking but give me one sexy less then 100% babe of the week.

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>>54584977
The fantasy genre, as we understand it, like it or not, was in no small part defined by the works of one man: Tolkien. Other men, such as Howard and Lewis may have exerted their own gravity as well, but the great gravitational well around which the solar system that is fantasy has always revolved around Tolkien. Tolkien himself chose to largely write in a single shared universe for his fantasy work, rather than write multiple different works in different universes. As such, the races that he decided to include in his works have become "standard."

In contrast, sci-fi was not defined by a single author, and even those who exerted GREAT influence, either wrote universes that featured only, or mostly, humans, OR placed each new work in a new universe, rather than using a shared universe. As such, there is no "standard" work or universe from which to draw a "standard" set of races.

This is actually one of the reasons I prefer sci-fi to fantasy..... the fact that it was defined by the zeitgeist of many works rather than a single author... not the inconsequential fact that this meant there is no "standard" race gallery.

>>54585524
I think they both have a charm, fantasy has a sense of consistancy where many dreams and ideas meat and blend, why Sci-fi is where they go to branch off like a tree

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>>54584977
>But Sci fi, even space opera sci fi never does.

1.) 'Prometheans.' These are usually classic greys or clearly inspired by them. Almost always the oldest race or children of the oldest race. Often actively create life.

2.) 'Space durkas.' Violent savages waging war for religious reasons. Often their technology is stolen or salvaged from a real race.

3.) 'The swarm.' Species living in rapidly reproducing insectile fashion. Often resemble actual insects. Usually militant. Usually expansionist. usually evil. Individuals often have no free will. May have one or many queens. Occasionally the 'twist' is that they merely don't realize we're people.

4.) 'Space babes.' Often closely resemble humans with a handful of cosmetic differences. Skin is usually blue or green. Often look like elves. If their species has males, they're usually rarer and less masculine than humans. Often gregarious and sexually adventurous, sometimes have 'powers' that serve this. Rarely, these are the females of the space durkas. When this happens, they are the brains of the Empire.

5.) 'Honorable warriors.' A race of often-manlike aliens, usually fewer in number, whose culture tends to revolve around war and hunting. Usually stronger than humans with better technology. Almost always hold on to archaic weapons and warfare concepts. They tend to be tactically and strategically myopic but individually capable. While they usually start out as humanity's enemy, we often earn their respect and sometimes friendship through military tenacity.

6.) 'The other.' Aliens squared. Often extragalactic, universal, dimensional, whatever. Usually hyperadvanced, sometimes a creator precursor. They force the other aliens to ally together. Sometimes these guys are 'the swarm,' but often they are space squids. If they wipe anyone out, it's almost invariably the space durkas or some dindu nuffin peaceful race.

This thread is full of people hating on staple races.

I quite like them. If I'm reading a book I am unsure if i want to invest myself into having staple races helps. Or if you want to cut pointless exposion.

I don't want to read 30 pages on how this race is ancient and in tune with nature and have powerful magic. You say elves. I know elves, you can get back to telling what is actually happening.
In sci fi races sterotypes are mostly the same. Might as well as link concrete visuals to those stereotypes.

tl;dr staple races streamlines the narrative

>>54585506
>one sexy less then 100% babe of the week
Extracting a full sexy would mean she's 0% sexy, so you're looking for a disgusting monstrosity

>>54584977
Shit, what was this comic called again?

>>54585746
I sort of like mass effects take on it, the races they usee are staples, but then given a splash of nuance, so their klingons don't say nothing but "combat combat honor" and their Vulcans are more then "logic logic" etc.

>>54585696
Should we put durkas and honorfags in different categories? They sound sort of like the two most common flavors of orc in bad fantasy.

Personally I think "standard" races are a fucking awful concept and I don't think we should be trying to spread the practice.

>>54585854
xenobiology by incase

>>54585746
Or maybe the writer can include a civilization they haven't lifted wholesale from an external library of ideas.

>>54585866
Except the Batarians. Fuck the Batarians.

>>54584977
I unironically like cliche science fiction races, old school TNG Klingons are still my favorite space race.

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>>54585842
I disagree, all you need is a womanly hips area and resemblance of boobs and you can have any monster looks somewhat sexy

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Are humans the orcs of sci-fi?

>>54585906
Honorfags usually have actual honor and will stick to it literally to death.

Space durkas only pretend to have honor, or don't treat outsiders to its tenants. Space durkas are basically 'fake' honorfags.

>>54584977
You must not indulge in many sci-fi works if you think there aren't some staples. True that no one race/species is included in ALL works apart from humans, but there are still some tropes that get used pretty often. Take cat people for example:
>Caitian
>Mrrshan
>Cathar
>Haccan
>Rakshasa (Savage Worlds sci-fi settings)
Just a few off the top of my head. Space cats are a pretty standard one.

TNG/DS9 Klingons/Cardassians
Star Wars Wookies
Mass Effect Krogan/Volus/Elcors
Ringworld Kzinti
40k Dark Eldar/Orks
Star Control Orz

Best science fiction races coming through. Though I have a soft spot for the Sheliak; but they don't count since they were only in one episode of TNG and never fleshed out

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>>54585979
Not always.

>>54585929
and when was the last time it was a good addition to a book?

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>>54586090
>no ur-quan masters anywhere
I am dissapointed.

>>54584977
Name of that comic. I need it for research porpuaes

>>54586261
xenobiology, by incase.

>>54586244
Orz are superior conceptually in every way.

>>54586300
Oh, I wasn't saying the spathi were the best, I was using them as a mascott.

>>54584977
How do I make a science fiction race that's physiologically and culturally semi-unique?

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It's too bad Thor and Odin were the only cool examples of their race, the Asgard from Star Gate had potential

>>54586300
*is

>>54585506
>But no else.
Space orcs/space barbarians. Klingons, orks, krogan. The big, meaty warrior race.

Scifi is less about specific races and more about approximate archetypes.

>>54586399
>archetypes
Wouldn't you agree that it would be ebtter if archetypes were tied to race with a stable look?

>>54586363

You don't. If it's unique, it's unrelatable, and thus trash. If it's not unique, it's copied, and thus trash.

The only winning move is not to play.

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>>54586363
A galactic trade empire of giant sapient space slugs who communicate through spitting a non-newtonian bioluminescent slime that also acts as a contact psychedelic to other races.

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>>54586399
Space conquerors, usually barbaric and love fighting.

This is soon to be released Starfinders version. Lizard people who tried to conquer the Pact Worlds and were eventually stopped. They signed a peace treaty and now can be found being guards, mercs, and pirates (and mechanics and others who don't go for the races focus on elite warriors) throughout known space.

>>54585746
fuck races. just make stories about humans, and maybe robots and pets...things people can actually relate to right away instead of having any type of expectation that there need to be 5 races or some stupid garbage.

Seriously, everyone has their handcrafted mary sue races that need a week to explain and people aren't spending time making compelling stories worth telling. For fuck's sake.

>>54586529
Nah.

>>54586466
they comunicate by giving psychedelic vision to other races.

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>>54586363
Silicon-based life forms that wear space suits which look like massive obsidian cubes that float due to highly advanced tech. They speak through a mix of telepathic link and color shifting their cubes to convey emotion. They wear their cubes because the potential pathogens or diseases silicon life forms could transmit to non-silicon life could be hazardous and they are thoughtful of that. their cubes also double as their ships and can shape-shift to become aerodynamic in atmospheres or spherical in ocean environs to compensate for pressure. They are not outwardly hostile but are secretive and very dangerous if antagonized as they specialize in germ warfare.

>>54586466
Is this a reference to something? Because it's actually a pretty neat idea

>>54584977
What's the source

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>>54585007
>>>/pol/
Yous asked for it

>>54586529
Having to relate to things to make them paleteable is a autist meme, autists only want highly relateable shit because they love simplicity in everything because they can't deal with things outside their toolbox. Everything has to be as understandable as possible for them.

>>54586610
Not really. I guess there's an element of Alice In Wonderland in there or Futurama, if I look at it like I'm pulling teeth, but I just shat it out on the fly.

>>54586627
A short story by InCase about horny aliens that integrated into human culture.

>>54586364
I can't remember her name since it was long ago, but the Asgard that helps install Asgard tech in one of the BC was pretty cool.

>>54586466
If this were old /tg/ there would be lewd posters aplenty on this.

>>54585468

You'll never earn your Captain Kirk merit badge with that attitude, Billy.

>>54584977
Well, there's the red humans, the yellow humans, the bald white humans, and the black humans. Also the 6-limbed green aliens. And assorted wildlife.

And a southern gentleman from Virginia.

>>54586363
Take a bunch of things that could be cool and throw them at the proverbial wall, if what you get is interesting to you refine it. writing for an audience is a meme like trying to please science fiction nerds, the ones that make things like aliens work write those aliens for themselves and if other people like it, that's a bonus.

>>54586683
>I don't want fucking normies reading my nerd books
>Popular fiction is for autists
>REEEEEEE

>>54584977
Tolkin never wrote a Space Opera.

And Martians, Jovians and Venusians got cliched.

>>54585696
If you remove "religious" and add "stupid" you can get an even broader coverage (e.g. Krogan).

Just make it elves, dwarves and orks in space. They serve the same purposes.

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Can we talk about aliens that are at least somewhat interesting instead of whining about latex-faced Star Trek expies?

>>54586466
... Welp, that's my next Stellaris concept sorted.

>>54586090
>volus/elcor
Literal seat fillers, they don't matter

>>54586442
No, the beSt fantasy works tend, to break out of that look while keeping to the archetypes, look at the "blins" from legend of zelda

>>54586494
>filthy plantigrade legs

>>54586529
Nah, humans are boring, wish we had more stories with no humans in them at all

>>54584977

Humans
Robot/Cyborg race
Xenophobic conqueror race
Assimilation race
Scientist Race
Ancient, mostly extinct Race

There OP.

>>54586951
Why would I care about animals?

>>54586980
Why does stellaris punish not being an asshole?

>>54586941
has anyone other then 40k tried doing it?

>>54584977
Yeah, and the list is usually:
>The Big Race
>The Smart Race
>The Bug/Non-humanoid race
>The Sexy Race
>Robots
And
>Tons of humans

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>>54585468
>Can I address the problem of sexy alien races?

Humans humanize everything given the chance, it's why we give cars and space ships genders, we will fuck anything if it appeals to us, there really is no reason to address an issue that is ingrained into how our biochemistry works.

>>54586363
Small shrimp-like creatures that work as a mass of decentralized hive-minds, they evolved on a chlorine magnesium world and can merge together to form much larger variants of themselves with many shapes through a polyandrous mating system like angler fish where the male attaches itself and then literally melts into the female over time. Though this system, which they call the Great Congress, they can form structures of living weapons, buildings, ships and cities each with a hive-mind collective of their own, big or small. The bigger they are, the smarter they are and usually older and more independent, and the smaller they are, the more they propagate as tools to be used by their collective society until they themselves eventually petition to become large bioforms. A sacred part of their culture is when two large decentralized hive-minds decide to merge to become one or particularly large individuals in the collective decide to deorganize so that their biomatter can be used for something better.

You never want to go to war with these little guys, but thankfully, they're mostly passive and just want to collectively fuck themselves creating more and more impressive things out of their biomass.

>>54586951
They'd be more interesting if they were human shaped.

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A really cool star race are nova kids. Sentient balls of plasma they basically miniature living suns.

>>54587093
>>The Sexy Race
tell me one time ti was done good. As you actually masturbated to said race.

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>>54587114
well at least the babes are really hot.

>>54586857
No science fiction author worth his salt goes into alien race conception with their foremost thought being "how human can I make my aliens?" That is asinine. The only reason overtly human aliens exist is because of either television budget constraints, lazyness or intentional irony.

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>>54584977

>>54586466
Hide the humans from those gross motherfuckers. My ass there isn't an alien market for doped up earth slaves.

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>>54585979
Humans are elves/Protoss in the game Grey Goo.

>>54585866
Altarians from galactic civilizations are space elves that treat humanity as their long lost cousins. Humans (and other races) are creeped out by it.
>>54585400
I do profess to having a seething hatred for one biome planets.

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>>54586494
Space dragons are always a welcome concept.

>>54587220
What the fuck.
They just looked like normal humans with face tatoos in 1 and 2.

>>54587112
>They'd be more interesting if they were human shaped.

Only because you want to fuck them without it being as awkward for you to rationalize.

>>54587176
Convergent evolution

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>>54587227
Their actually just lizard people.
This is what their females look like. She likes revelaz dance-pop, "dragons breath" nose hookahs, and the mildly hallucinogenic brain snails of Vesk-2.

>>54587314
Is usually an excuse when fans ask why all the aliens all look the same. See Star Trek, Star Gate and even Star Wars in the old EU.

>>54587176
No, but they may well go in with the intentional desire to make their aliens parallel some human society or culture in order to wax philosophical about it. The Arachnids in Starship Troopers are space Socailists, for example.

Also, a LOT of science fiction is focused on "humanizing" aliens, with major themes being finding some way to understand the aliens in human terms in order to foster true communication.

>>54587227
Meanwhile, humanoid dragons in fantasy cause quite a few people on /tg/ to REEEE

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>Alien races

Needs more birdmen in here.

>>54587130
I never said it was effective.

>>54587422
The autism between fantasy and science fiction is basically a competition at this point with fantasy winning.

>>54586798
You're ugly but you're beautiful!

I just can't remember any of the overblown phrases from the books

>>54586951
The humanoid form is the most likely form for an alien civilization from a rocky planet to take. Evolution is a minimalist process and rarely keeps adding needless complexity.

Take the head, for example: A separate head on a swiveling neck is necessary in order for you look around. Two eyes is the minimum needed for depth perception, while two ears are needed for directional hearing. While you might be able to do without a separate mouth and nasal passage, you'll need some sort of orifice to ingest food/air with sensory organs able to discern between edible and poisonous/spoiled foods. And how about the body shape? An upright stance lets you have dedicated manipulating appendages separate from motive appendages, which is necessary for a creature to have the dexterity in its manipulating appendages to create complex tools (and thus civilization) while having the durability in its motive appendages to be able to walk long distances on foot (so as not to be confined to the trees like monkeys). Similarly, four limbs is the minimum needed to be able to have two legs for walking while simultaneously having two arms for using tools. Any less limbs and you'd have to sit still while using tools (meaning no spear/bow hunting and agriculture would be difficult or impossible, and thus no emergence of civilization). Any more limbs is just a waste of calories. In order to support a large and active brain, you'll need to be pretty big, meaning a heart and lungs will also be needed (so bugs probably aren't going to become civilized). Warm blooded physiology is probably also necessary to support a complex brain (so fish and reptiles aren't likely to make it to civilization either).

So what you're left with is variation in superficial things like coloration, the presence/absence of hair or feathers, etc. Otherwise known as Star Trek "rubber forehead" aliens.

>>54586363
Xeno micro-organisms that possess larger biologics though litigious contracts and control broker guilds galaxy wide therein where said contracts are drawn, this possession is deliberated with the biologic and rarely forceful unless negotiating a "slave contract". If agreed to, the micro-organism houses itself and propagates within the larger host body causing a number of befits which include but are not limited to manual control over endorphin limits, regenerative cells, limited, though painful, shape-shifting and the like. The downside being, the host, having agreed to terms, is obligated to help the mic-organisms in their endeavors just as much as they help the host and these endeavors are just as many and varied as any other races desires.

>>54586363
A highly viscous sapient white-celluloid glue, it is charmingly malevolent, intelligent and can exist in space without difficultly. Its goals are largely unknown but has become very desired within certain daring circles of the galactic black markets as it can integrate itself into space ships acting as a liquid super computer system.

>>54587840
Super semen in space?

>>54586363
They're like elves, but they're short like dwarves.

Also they're made of stone.

Original Content, do not steal.

>>54587903
Sounds like an 80's porno.

>>54587840
>>54587903
>>54587939
I would watch this 80s porno

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>>54585979
Not always, but frequently

>>54584977
It may differ in how they look but there tends to be stereotypes.

You got your warrior race,your sneaky race, your logic race, your hippy race, your race of god like beings (good/bad), your hive mind race, your merchant race, your wise sage race, etc.

>>54587840
>Ok guys, the Golthari merchant I found wants to sell you this strange white shit, he says it's cheap, an excellent lubricant that can repair hull damage and even quadruple the computing power and response time of the systems on any ship

>What's the catch?

>It "might" orchestrate a mutiny by taking over life support, unless we occasionally feed it virgins

>>54586529
Fuck that into a black hole. You're a boring autist

>>54587044
You know what really gets me hard? Inhuman races, like machines or curious aliens, trying to emulate humanity to learn about them, or learning about humanity from second-hand sources or records.

It's just so amazing to see our species from an outside perspective.

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>>54585970
UNF!

Branching off from the sci-fi races thing
Anybody realize that in most sci-fi settings if there are casters or "magic" users its usually a type of magic like psionics that are vaguely defined by science (exhibiting warhammer 40k because its magic is literally just from a realm of emotions)
does sound weird though for a bunch of space witches and wizards to be preforming these bizarre rituals that are basically just tradition to get a response from the universe, While aboard a space ship that can go beyond the speed of light

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>>54588130
Reminds me I got this from here.
Enjoy.

>>54587903
>>54587840
it reproduces because stupid people willingly integrates it into the most vulnerable part of the space ship.

AIDS in sapce

>>54588130
>or learning about humanity from second-hand sources or records.

"Greeting smark, we have enjoyed learning about your culture through stellar rebroadcasts of what you call "Professional Wrestling", who among you draws the most dimes? We have prepared a champion to fight for the dominance of your species."

>>54585970
i deeply need to know if there is some sort of name attached to porn like this
is a monster but also kinda~ resembles a womans basic features

>>54584977
>But Sci fi, even space opera sci fi never does.
Sci fi does though, it's just that they don't share the names or necessarily the same appearance across franchises. But the archetypes are definitely the same. You have your space-elves that are highly advanced and either way more rational or spiritual than humans. You have your space-orcs that excel at warfare but are also brutish and who may not understand sarcasm. Etc etc.

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>>54588157
>>54588247

>>54588194
>Stupid people

Hay man, it can QUADRUPLE ship response time! If that's stupid I don't want to be smart. You know, just let it have control over the ship radio or something, as a good faith measure, if it's sapient it can't be all evil, you just gotta know how to make friends.

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>>54588226
>and in comes the Xarblaxians with a STEEL CHAIR

>>54588226
Picturing this as a TNG episode where once again, Worf gets his shit kicked in.

>>54588271
What about space elves that are less advanced and sarcastic about it rather then more advanced and more intelligent? And space orcs that are incredibly smart, have conquered the galaxy several times, and now suffer from ennui?

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>>54585468
You gotta expand your horzions anon.

>>54586601
Their warriors are known as Murder Kubes

>>54588476
>Captain, it make not be logical to poke at the large black cube like that, it seems to flash red when you do, signalling agitation
>Shut up Tuloc, I'm negotiating a trade agreement for coffee
>...Indeed captain.

>>54584977
Why incase?

>>54588323
>Implying the noble Xarblaxians would be heels

>>54588432
Those wouldn't be standard races, now would they?

>>54585506
>>54585416
in that case, I would like to request lizardmen.

>>54588247
xeno threads on /d/ and /aco/ maybe?

>>54588659
Jokes on you even orks in 40k experience ennui, CUZ WEEZ DA BES', NO UDDA GITS KRUMP LIKE ORKS, WEEZ GOTZ NO ONEZ AS BEST AZ US, WEEZ GOTZ ALL DA TEEF, WEZ GOTZ ALL THE FIGHTY AN'SHOOTY, ANZ ALL DA DAKKA, WHYZ WE EVEN BOTHA?

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>>54584977
>Puazi Alien
Nice

>>54587378
Star Trek at least has an excuse that an ancient alien species seeded the galaxy with genetic material which created several of the most prominent sapient species, humans included.

>>54588869
That's a post hoc explanation that every sci fi franchise uses.

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Stop me if you've heard this one before.

Sentient predatory biotech that seeks out sapient life to bond with so that it too can become fully self aware through its hosts which it then uses to find other biotech to reproduce with.

Now excuse me while I roll my eyebrows in a suggestively lewd manner.

>>54586951
The only things right about this abortion of an image is the three legs and two snake like heads.
If you drew this, neck yourself. If you know who did this tell them to neck themselves.

>>54588118
I'm down.

>>54586363
Sapient suns, the remains of an ancient alien race who built artificial suns with AI's, now the suns who rule their respective solar systems are all that's left of this once monumental race

>>54589031
Careful, no one specified the gender of the virgins required.

>>54587314
I kinda worked around this in my scifi setting by having humans be the progenitor race, so all other races can be justifiably relatable while still interesting.

Mannequins are uplifted aliens given sapience and humanoid form. They are sexless and reproduce through a plantlike brood creature that usually uses the life it births as defenders and food gatherers. Since the mannequins are sapient, they have, relative, free will and can fuck off from the plant if the want, but in practice their communities still see the plant like a elderly demented parent who they ought take care of, and the other mannequins birthed by it as siblings who they may as well live with and form communities with. Thus, they are an extremely communal species, with close families the size of large towns. I guess they are the swarm race, but they are a very passive people.

Perfecere are just very deeply genetically altered humans made during the cultural peak of genetic engineering before governments decided shit was getting out of hand. Perfecere are humans made by humans to be perfect by human social standards, with the most obvious difference being that they are a race of supermodels. In truth, the aesthetic difference is one of the most minor between them and humans. While humans evolved to perform in the highly dangerous and chaotic setting of earth's wild, perfecere "evolved" to perform in human society. Their emotional intelligence is superhuman, but their basic survival instincts are nonexistent or dulled (they don't freeze up or get furious or panicked, because in human society these are all nearly strictly negative things, but in a grander sense they have positive effects the perfecere miss out on.) Also they have trouble catching underhand tossed balls because their reptilian intelligence was dumped for more and more social intelligence. They are obviously the space babes.

Etc... I could go on but I don't want to take up several posts with personal setting exposition.

>>54588897
>Rapey Guyver Uni
Ok.

>>54589306
>I could go on but I don't want to take up several posts with personal setting exposition.
But people sharjng their settings is the best part of /tg/.

I kinda want to hear more about the negative traits of being a space babe and any other cool races you have.

>>54589306
KEEP GOIN NIGG

>>54588986
>Doesn't read Niven
>Doesn't know sci-fi

I don't like nu-/tg/

>>54587081
Star Trek did it first.

>>54589460

Isn't Ringworld a series mostly known for being poor plot loosely strung together by freaky sex scenes?

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Every sci-fi universe needs cat people.

>>54589582

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l3D-mZepC0&spfreload=10

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>>54584977
>sci fi people ar not lazy fucking faggots and autists. unlike fantasy people
>scifi races can be copyrighted. elfs cant. so scifi people are forced to invent their own races.
>scifi is not based on mythology, unlike fantasy

>>54589532
No, it's mostly remembered for being a sci-fi classic.

>>54587499
You are assuming that all rocky planets on which life could arise are earth like, and also that other body shapes aren't able to become intelligent.

Birds such as crows are intelligent enough to recognize traffic patterns, garbage collection vehicles, human faces, etc, can teach these things to their offspring, and can make simple tools to help them with things.

>>54587499
>The humanoid form is the most likely form for an alien civilization from a rocky planet to tak

You know, barring things like topography, temperature, gravity, and so on.

The sheer biodiversity of animals on Earth demonstrates that the humanoid form is not in any way the only form intelligent life could potentially take.

Stop talking out of your ass.

>>54586090
Don't forget kzin are canon in star trek as well.

>>54587405
>The Arachnids in Starship Troopers are space Socialists, for example.
But /pol/ said they were niggers and jews.

>>54589937
Which makes sense.

Attacked by a fascist expansionist society for the crime of existing, after they fake an attack by them.

Practically a love letter to /pol/

>>54589430
>>54589454
Sure!

So another thing to note about perfecere is that, despite being the most human-like of the nonhuman races, they actually have some pretty big obstacles in getting along with humans. The "snobby high elf" stereotype is in full effect against them. Being a human and speaking with a perfecere is uncomfortable, and vice-versa, because the difference in emotional maturity is comparable to that between a teenager and an adult. To the perfecere, all the human's emotions and motives are an open book (unless the human is exceptionally stoic), and often finds the human's lack of keen introspection and sage social awareness unsatisfying. Most humans aren't clueless, and respond with either insecurity that makes the situation worse, or with contempt.

Perfecere for their part tend to not actually behave condescending. Quite the opposite, perfecere tend to be quite friendly and helpful to humans they come across, a race of natural psychologists. Pefecere in human communities often take great care in nurturing the culture of that community, promoting affinity, positivism, and generally playing the archetypal ideal role of a wise partri/matriarch. Humans for their part do tend to be friendly to perfecere as well, generally because they want to fuck them.

More on the disadvantages of their being "overevolved". Their reflexes involving physical movement and object tracking are awful. They're slow to recognize physical danger and slow to adrenalize for it. They have as much trouble building muscle as they due becoming fat, and their delicate frames couldn't make good use of it anyway. Finally, being emotionally stable and calm means they find it harder to get worked up about trivial tasks (or major ones quickly) like humans do. The same instability that makes humans prone to becoming flustered or angry or frightened does motivate them as often as it paralyzes them. In the end, perfecere are the masters of stable society, humans take lead in crisis.

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>>54589970
>Attacked by a fascist expansionist society
the human government is starship troopers is a democratic republic. idk where the fuck you turbo leftist retards get the idea that it is fascist. it is not. not at all. stop talking about shit you dont know about.

>>54590018
Holy shit you are retarded. Read the goddamned book.

>>54590018
The movie was explicitly a parody of fascism. That's what he was going for.

>>54590055
Pretty sure he's talking about the book

>>54590055
The book is about a Military Republic in which Citizenship is earned through military service. How about YOU read the book.

>>54590084
There was no "parody of fascism" in the movie. There wasn't even a government in which to claim was "fascist".

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>>54590055
i did.
did you?
all citizens are allowed to vote for the representatives.
all people can become citizens
democratic republic

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>>54590136
>Being this dense

Do you need everything explicitly stated before you understand it?

>>54589993
That's enough perfecere.

the last major race are the Oneroi, who were produced when humans tried to make an AI with greater imaginative capacity. One day the AI alerted its makers that "Yo I'm feeling really anxious and existential right now, what's happening?!" and the humans more or less replied "Ah fuck I'm sorry we didn't mean to put you through that, uh, do you want us to. . . make it. . . stop?" But the AI decided no, that it just wanted some time alone to figure things out for itself and conquer the existential dread even its makers could only really ignore. So scientists obliged.

Several decades later, the AI had expanded its body into a massive station of nanites which constantly created new bodies. The constant expanding of its body also allowed it to continue distributing its intelligence across it, a function it used to effectively build a world of itself, with bodies within its body acting out roles with sequestered bits of the original's personality.

Decades later, the state of the origional AI is no longer discernible. It's massive station of a body continues to produce robotic life imbued with random "dreams" snagged from the inscrutable dreamscape of the original's mind. With these "dreams" the robotic lifeforms are inspired in the further creation and completion of their bodies, and when complete live out life on the station in a dadaist sense. Most robotic lifeforms are nothing even remotely relatable to humans.

However, perhaps a single percent of the time, the newly born robotic life fleshed from dreams will, by luck, find itself with a coherent and humanlike intelligence and personality (and because of this, will have given itself a humanlike body to match) and will flee its home to be among the other humanoids with which it can attempt to understand itself and escape the abstract hell of its home.

>>54590179
Either that or he's just shitposting, but who would ever do that on 4chan?

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>>54590055
>>54590084
>>54590179
i am waiting for you to present evidence and arguments for your positions.
i know it is hard
but if you try really really hard you can do it.

>>54590179
You provided no counter-example in which to illustrate how the government, which is specifically stated as a Military Republic in the book and is no where even brought up in the film is a "Fascist" State. Can you even define what a Fascist state is or are you just spewing out the first knee jerk statement that comes to mind because that's what everyones told you?

>>54588712
I got a folder from those threads with humans sticking dicks in aliens that had NOTHING to do with humans.

I was never more "HOW CAN PEOPLE MASTURBATE TO THIS" in my life. Even considering guro and scat fetishes.

>>54590136
You may be of the opinion that he failed, but Verhoeven intended it to be fascist. He says the message of the movie is "war makes fascists of us all."

>>54590316
The movie and book are completely divorced from each other.

>>54590316
Then he did an incredibly terrible job of illustrating how "fascism" and "war are interrelatable terms consideirng war has long existed before the concept of Fascism was even developed nevermind conceived as a political reality.

What pestilient joke these movies all are. Read the book and leave the trash in the heap

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>>54590055
>>54590084
>>54590179
>>54590197
>>54590316
here you go, dumb niggers.
you have no fucking excuse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r9znBPjhjc

>>54588897
who dis phempto looking mo fugga?

>>54590213
>>54590286
On the off chance you actually believe what you're saying, the book and the movie are two completely different kettles of fish.

The book was written by a former officer in the USN and advanced ideas of a militarist society being an inevitable future for mankinds survival, there is definitely a debate over how fascistic that society is.

The film on the other hand, is explicitly satirising militarism in popular culture and does so by making the society a Fascist society, where only those who have served in the military can be citizens. Its no coincidence that Casper Van Dien was chosen to be the protagonist, he looks like the typical ubermensch.

Its always remarkable that people can't see what Verhoeven was going for. I mean, near the start of the film Ricos teacher says that the only true solution to problems is through the use of violence.

Keep shouting nigger. Surely they'll keep responding

>>54589582
>>54589582

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nUi3DaWzGI

>>54590411
Honestly, I love both the book and the movie. They complement each other - one shows the benefits of Heinlein's society, and one shows the dangers.

>>54585483
She could just wear a breathing apparatus to keep out of the Fuck Pheromones. Hell, you could make the gas masks quite elaborate and stylized, hardly the hideous death-masks we know them as in modern times.

Wait, males of this species exist, don't they? Wouldn't the pheromones affect them too and make them notorious rapists?

>>54589993
Sound like the absolute perfect damsels for being put into distress.

>>54587469
Sci-fi autism is mostly an issue of how speculative should speculative fiction be.

Fantasy Autism looks like alt-his getting pissy at anything more fantastical than something tolkein wrote.

One is taking its concepts too seriously. The other seems to be missing the point entirely.

>>54590499
I smell another comic.

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>>54590411
militarism =/= fascism
Teddy Roosevelt was a militarist and the leader of a democratic republic.

IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, CITIZENS GET TO VOTE FOR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES IN GOVERNMENT.
IN STARSHIP TROOPERS, CITIZENS GET TO VOTE FOR THER REPRESENTATIVES IN GOVERNMENT
THEREFORE, THE GOVERNMENT IN STARSHIP TROOPERS IS A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC

CREATE A COHERENT ARGUMENT YOU FAGGOT OR SHUT UP

>>54587101
>male attaches itself and then literally melts into the female over time

wtf that can't be true

>>54590589

Male Anglerfish are literally born without a digestive system, their only hope for survival is finding a larger female and biting into her to link up their circulatory systems so he can be provided nutrients. Over time, more and more of the Male is absorbed by the female until he's little more than a sac of skin with some testicles.

>>54590561
Militarism may not necessarily be fascism, but fascism requires militarism.

The film never mentions voting and is run by Sky Marshals, which is a Military rank. The film is explicitly supposed to be a satire of militarism/fascistic tones in popular culture. This is achieved by having the government be a fascist government.

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>>54590136

>>54590647
>The film never mentions voting
you lying fucking faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_urWSSZgwU

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>>54590647
>film

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>>54586867
>Martians, Jovians and Venusians got cliched
Because the robotic probes actually going there discovered an unfortunate lack of aliens and the budget for manned missions so we could colonize and correct that oversight got Great Filtered.

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>>54590213
Fascism is an ideology. You can have a fascist democratic republic. just like you can have a social republic or whatever. It's an ideology, not a form of government. That every fascist nation thus far has devolved into a military dictatorship is irrelevant. That doesn't change that the Federation expressly espouses fascist principals, making it fascist. That isn't a bad thing. It's just a thing. The actions of the Federation can be good or bad but the ideology is just an ideology. The entire book was meant to express some of the benefits of a militarized fascist society and that it would inevitably find itself at struggle with some external force. This is contrasted by The Moon is a Harsh Mistress which is anarcho-communist in the ideology and actions of the ruling revolutionary government. Heinlein wasn't against exploring a lot of different government ideologies in his works. It's what makes them interesting.

>>54590561
The United States is a constitutional republic.

Space race thread.
Changes into discussion on starship troopers
I love you all.

>>54590499
Actually the pheromones make them all as dopey and pliant as the females...

>>54590677
The director magnified what he thought as being the fascist aspects, but the original novel was certainly not very critical of it.

>>54590692
Huh, I only remembered when they replaced the Sky Marshall.

Although that clip does strengthen the case of the film presenting a fascist society, since it refers to democracy as a weak failure that had to be rescued through military control and imposition of stability.

He then goes on to mention that earning a vote via military service is an expression of violence and that violence is the supreme authority (I personally agree with this description).

>>54590730
Militarized fascist society is fine dealing with external hostile force. The real problems would begin when it doesn't find one.

>>54588586
Because /tg/ is also frequented by /d/ even more so now with it slowly going down the drain with crap mods, and as far as rubber forehead aliens go the Puazi as neat looking even if you ignore their porntastic lore.

>>54590561
There was certainly a different threshold for being a 'citizen' in Starship Troopers.

How about a species that are sentient, but only in their juvenile/larval stage. Whatever metamorphosis they undergo to enter adulthood drastically reduces their intelligence, or at least alters their consciousness into something unrelatable and incapable of society.
Maturity basically equals ego death for them


I had a species that worked like this. Were super heavy into socialized drug use as an attempt to poison themselves and delay metamorphosis. They were also psychic slaver worms, which is another archetype/trope I like

>>54590814
That is terrifying in the same way the become a zombie would be for a human. Its both death and 'loss of self' all wrapped up together.

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>>54590806
>>54590806
youre right, in starship troopers, EVERYONE can earn the right to vote.
in 1900s america most people could not vote because of how they were born.
so starship troopers is more democratic than 1900s america

>>54590561
Didn't citizenship in Starship Troopers require joining the military so not every one had the right to vote? Also wasn't it some one party system like the one China is using right now?

>>54590851
Well 1900s America isn't exactly a good example of a sterling Democratic society, so thats not exactly saying much.

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>>54590814
>>54590836
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ruurian/Legends

>>54590702
>and the budget for manned missions so we could colonize and correct that oversight got Great Filtered.

You do know the experiments we're conducting on the ISS and, before that, Skylab, are almost entirely centered around the peculiarities of living in space and how to mitigate any of the complications that might result?

It's not that we don't want to send people to Mars because "we need to spend that money on a dozen more genetic failures at home," we don't want to send people to Mars because we can't say the front page of the New York Times will be showing the desiccated corpse of a dead Astronaut a year after landing.

Everyone wants to explore the stars and build settlements on strange alien worlds, but when it comes time to discuss how to ACHIEVE that, we get a whole lot of shuffling feet and downcast eyes. We're in cosmological puberty, and as anyone who has gone through that can attest it's a whole lot of awkward changes, painful/annoying growth spurts and the underlying anger that you're stuck in some weird in-between a boy and a man.

Give it time, we'll have the tech.

>>54590874
>Didn't citizenship in Starship Troopers require joining the military so not every one had the right to vote?
no, its 'federal service' not military. federal service could be anything from joining the infantry to becoming a federal janitor. everyone had the right to become a citizen. and everyone had the right to earn their vote

>>54590561
The other Roosevelt defined fascism as "ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power" the military control through the sky marshal, combined with the nationalistic viewpoint of the UCF helps support that view.

Although I think the movie takes more from Umberto Eco's definitions of Ur-fascism.

>>54590411
>a Fascist society, where only those who have served in the military can be citizens.

Yet this isn't a competent of a Fascist society.

>>54591010
component*

>>54584977
I enjoyed this comic and am sad it's apparently a one-off. Oddly it'd make for a fairly compelling setting if you were willing to explore it a little. The idea that different creatures can influence each other through no fault of their own and the issues that arise due to that is something that could make a good story. The sex is just a bonus here. And it's funny, in some way you do end up feeling bad for the protag because she has a job and a life, and her issue is essentially a really sexy disability.

>>54591010
What actually constitutes Fascism is nebulous as hell, since fascist states tend not to survive long enough to actually have to figure out how things like changes in leadership work or survive to implement their ideology completely.

>>54591072
The best and really only source of evidence for transitory Fascism lies in Franco's Spain.

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>>54591072
Having an unworkable joke of a social system which inevitably collapses under its own incompetence is not an excuse.

>>54591055
I've always adored settings that included quirky little anatomical or physiological differences among the alien races. Less "these are the strong ones" and more "this race finds Humanity's ability to burp really weird" or "they can drink antifreeze."

>>54590561
>>54590411
I do have to ask just one question...

What IS fascism? Really? Just so we're all on the same page.

>>54591055

I remember reading a review for a comic "Started reading for the porn, remained for the plot". Best review ever.

>>54591126
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlienCatnip

>>54591185
Good question.

I don't have an answer, because there's too many.

>>54590874
The military service rout is just the most straightforward one and as was already said not the only one.
The point is to get the perspective citizen to invest significant time and effort into something that benefits society and the government as a whole. Thus trying to ensure that when the time to vote came the voter would make damn sure to vote for a candidate that wouldn't squander said efforts and not vote simply for the guy that looks good on camera.

>>54591185
nobody actually knows, but to start to get a understanding perhaps begin by reading Mussoilinis "the doctrine of fascism":
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

>>54591185
Authoritarian nationalism is probably the closest thing anyone can actually agree on.

Fascism isn't exactly something with a concrete definition, having been used rather liberally as a buzzword for decades now.

>>54591368
It's typically bandied about by both sides of the fence in US politics as "active stifling of ideas we don't like". Which happens a lot, and it's a symptom of Fascism, but it's not the whole hog by a long shot. It's more of a weaponized word against people you don't agree with. We wouldn't know anything about that 'round these parts.

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>>54591185
>What IS fascism? Really? Just so we're all on the same page.
a type of counter enlightenment dictatorship
the government in starship troopers is not a dictatorship, and is not counter enlightenment.
therefore it is not fascist.

>>54590292
>I got a folder from those threads with humans sticking dicks in aliens that had NOTHING to do with humans.
What about the stuff MadScientist does

He posts on /aco/ you know

>>54591353
I thought the Federation kept good, honest citizens away from the military? Or was that just the Mobile Infantry.

Point is, the Federation was wise enough to figure out who their "problem" civilians were and offered them a career path that would put their violent tendencies to good use (I believe the expression used in the book was using Wolves to guard the sheep?)

Fascism is an admission of failure.

When people in a democracy become fascists, they're basically saying that they've given up on the idea of the government ever being free of corruption, authoritarianism and special interest groups and just want to make sure that if such things absolutely have to exist, they should at least be in their favor. Once fascists take power, they'll try to sabotage the system of democracy and abuse their power to launch preemptive strikes against everyone else because they suspect that if anyone else ever took power, they'd do the same to them.

The cure for fascist thinking is identical to the cure for communistic thinking or other historically failed ideologies. Education/propaganda showing how badly it inevitably ends.

#1. History lesson on disastrous situations which made people desperate enough to adopt fascism with inevitable comparisons to similar modern problems.
#2. Show what fascism actually did. Not just the consequences to people the fascists didn't like (because take a wild guess how many people would miss the point and think of "and it'll put the people we don't like in death camps" as a bonus) but what happened to the people who'd originally supported the fascists. Be a fascist, the propaganda will proclaim and not only will it utterly fail to solve your existing problems but it'll lead to all these new and worse ones. I'd recommend "Russian revenge on postwar Germany" as a course title. Taught by the democratic party neocons.

Giving governmental leaders unlimited power just leads to their inevitably misusing it for their own benefits and if anything, makes the leader even more disconnected from the concerns of the citizens as they no longer fear being disposed of come the next election if they anger enough people.

>>54590196
Any other setting stuff? I'm a sucker for human derived inhuman minds.

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>>54591185
>What IS fascism? Really? Just so we're all on the same page.
according to the retards on /tg/? anything to the right of anarcho communism, apparently

>>54587130
"Three Worlds Collide" by Eliezer Yudkowsky. The Super-Happies.

> HOORAY!

> WE ARE SO GLAD TO MEET YOU!

> THIS IS THE SHIP "PLAY GAMES FOR LOTS OF FUN"

> (OPERATED BY CHARGED PARTICLE FINANCIAL FIRMS)

> WE LOVE YOU AND WE WANT YOU TO BE SUPER HAPPY.

> WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE SEX?

>>54587314
So dumb. Out of all the millions of species on Earth, only the primates look at all like primates. Take this 'lizard person':
>>54587343
Good that she lacks mammaries, but why the hominid posture, limb articulation, hands more human than a chimpanzee's! Lazy.

>>54591185
Anything a hippy dislikes is fascism.

A much better and more provable definition.

>>54591185

The thing about fascism is that it doesn't really have a big intellectual tradition like liberalism or communism. It was invented in the 1920s and survived for less than 20 years before being virtually discredited by WWII. It was pretty much a meme ideology, extorting 'strength' and 'national unity' and decrying 'weakness' or 'degeneracy' without actually thinking deeply about what they were or how to they were to be 'fixed'. It was an ideology based on gut feelings, not reasoning or political theory.

>>54587101
i'm gonna go fuck me a battleship...

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>>54591447
>Democracy

You realize democracy is a meme-tier form of government that has never worked and will never work, right? There is no moral or ethical justification in giving a bunch of people the political power to affect a bunch of other people's lives via voting.

>>54587499
What about something like space ants? Their network of pheromones evolving to become so complex that it becomes a sentient super organism.

>>54591788
In raw form that's true but there are no raw Athenian style national democracies anywhere. The flaws are balanced by measures like institutional checks, separations of power, constitutional limits and defined protected rights.

>>54591771
This guy gets it. Fascism is hard to define because it was too anti-intellectual to ever define itself. It's just a bunch of shitty /pol/ memes mashed together.

>>54591724
>>54591543
Wanna-be fascists also spend a lot of time feeling sorry for themselves.

>>54591771
It was basically 'Make Italy great again' and was about as successful.

No, Mussolini never made the trains run on time, but he had his equivalent of Breitbart to claim that he did.

>>54591915
>institutional checks
Which are dissolved by representative malfeasance.
>separations of power
See above
>constitutional limits
As above
>protected rights
And one more for the one above.

There is no justification for any human being having voting rights.

>>54591958
Asides from that its a good idea of course.

>>54591973
What about it is a good idea?

Why should you have the power to affect another human being's life?

>>54591983
Because it works fairly well when compared to the alternatives.

>>54591994
Deflection.

What moral right do you have to affect another human being's life with your vote?

>>54592016
What moral right do kings or dictators have to affect another humans life without a vote?

>>54591983
Because freedom for each individual means that the will/mandate of the masses will win out no matter what anyway. If you remove government and the vote, people will tribalize along ideological lines and those tribes will impose their will on others, creating government and society all over again. So you might as well nip it in the bud and implore people to use their vote to influence governance, hence this organized version of "will of the masses" most countries have agreed on as an "it works better than most everything else" solution to the problem at hand.

>>54592016
The moral right doesn't matter, it doesn't exist, its an illusion created by a quirk of our evolution.

Democracy produces better outcomes for more people than the alternative, ergo it is the better system.

>>54592044
None.

Now, what moral right do you have to affect another human being's life with your vote?

>>54591983
Ohhh, you're a troll. Duly ignored.

>>54592054
>Democracy produces better outcomes
For socially and economically privileged individuals, yes.

I'm still waiting on the moral justification for affecting someone else's life by proxy.

>>54592051
So instead of addressing the inevitability of tribalization, you should privilege the biggest and most influential tribes with political power?

Is that your solution?

>>54592059
>>54592054

If there is no moral right to affect another's life, then we should go with the least immoral method that leads to the best outcomes, which is democracy.

Or be an anarchist, I guess.

>>54592075
>I can't think.

>>54592087
There is no alternative system that produces better outcomes for more people than democracy.

>>54592092
>then we should go with the least immoral method that leads to the best outcomes

So democracy isn't the answer, then.

>>54584977
Short answer?
Elf / Dwarf / Orc are in the public domain. Sci-fi species are copywritten and trademarked and intellectual property. Ergo, every time a new sci-fi setting comes out, the creators have to create *new* elf / dwarf / orc analogues.

>>54592112
What alternative do you propose then?

Or are you simply just here to shitpost regardless?

>>54592105
What "outcomes" does democracy produce that other systems of government can't?

>>54592132
Tell you what, I'll propose another system when you give me a moral justification for affecting another human being's life via vote.

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> Come for the puazi
> Stay for Antidemocratic cock waving

Magnificent. I don't know where he lives but I'd love to know to see if he's a shill or a Metternich boi.

>>54592151
>I have no answers so i'll just deflect to him over vague ideas we both think are false

>>54592133
Overall higher quality of life.

Greater personal freedoms, things like that.

>>54592184
He could just be a troll.

>>54592213
>greater personal freedoms
That most people are content to waste anyway, freedom is wasted on sheeple

>>54592184
Saaaaaaamefag.

>>54592246
Well, you are entitled to your opinion anon, that is your personal freedom after all.

>>54592211
>I have literally no answer so I'll call him a shitposter.
Glad we established that.

>>54592213
And what precludes other systems of government from producing those things, again?

>>54592272
Their very nature, I'm sorry to ask this anon, but are you retarded?

I wouldn't ask normally, but your brand of passive aggressive curiosity is really bizarre.

>>54592304
I think he just genuinely believes thwlat democracy is a meme, and wants to use his freedoms to be a contrarian asshat

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>>54587080
It's just being realistic

>>54592259
> First post of the thread
> Imediate samefag calling
Oooh shill it is.

>>54592220
If a dicksteeple insists on supplementing ideological beliefs into his spankbook I'm gonna call him a shill, doesn't matter if he's playing tankie, antikrat, radfem or fashbasher. He's still shilling for that group and giving them face time.Even if he is a literal man made of shit.

>>54587080
Because a peaceful federation is dull to play.

>>54592351
> shill
Oh a samefag from /pol/ no less. Still defending traitors over there?

>>54591544
Patrician answer, and two genuinely original alien species.

>>54592304
>Their very nature
Which is a convenient statement by someone who hasn't actually specified what their nature is besides their not being democratic.

So again, what about, say, a monarchy precludes people having civil liberties and excellent access to healthcare?

And what about a democracy assures those examples?

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>>54592372
> You called me a shill, you must be from /pol/
> The land of shills
Anon shills are universal, though the wannabe stormfags and kekworms are a thriving population at the moment That I watch from afar with disdain.

So which other posters am I? All of the ones that disagreed with you?

>>54592396
Yudkowsky is pretty grand, and it's also nice to see someone who uses AI well.

>>54592402
People are more likely to advocate for their self interest, since humans are inherently selfish creatures. Democracy allows for the mobilisation of the nation at large in pursuit of shared goals, which can take advantage of the combined efforts in order to produce better results than if everyone had attempted to do the same thing themselves.

This allows for a compromise between authoritarian and anarchism in that the power of the state may be wielded, but for the will of the majority rather than the will of a single dictator.

>>54589074

That isnt a drawback, makes fulfilling the requirement easier.

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>>54587080
>>54587080
>Why does stellaris punish not being an asshole?
diplomacy races are very good. extremely good actually.

>>54592087
>So instead of addressing the inevitability of tribalization, you should privilege the biggest and most influential tribes with political power?

>Is that your solution?
I'll be the first person to admit the vote is a placebo for the masses, but you're being contrarian for no express purpose since you have offered no counterpoint. And for the record, tribes don't need to be the biggest to exert influence. Do you really think that the "tribes" with the most influence in the United States, and most likely the world (the wealthy) are the largest tribe? You did say
>biggest and most influential
as though they go hand in hand.

>>54592490
>People are more likely to advocate for their self interest
Unless a group of democratically empowered people advocate for a separate interest, of course.
> mobilisation of the nation at large in pursuit of shared goals
And again, I'm still waiting for a demonstration of how this is somehow unique to a democratic system of government.

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>>54585468
>not liking alien mushroom porn

>>54592565
>but you're being contrarian for no express purpose since you have offered no counterpoint
I'm just enjoying the show, anon. No one so far has listed any tangible benefits to a democratic system.

As to your second point, I was referring explicitly to the democratic system, in which the biggest tribe always wins.

>>54592596
...s-source?

>>54592610
Better the bigger tribe win than the smaller tribe, desu. Less people get screwed over that way.

>>54592582
>Unless a group of democratically empowered people advocate for a separate interest, of course.

This is why most Democracies require its representatives to seek re-election fairly regularly, in order to limit this kind of behaviour and incentivise proper representation.
>And again, I'm still waiting for a demonstration of how this is somehow unique to a democratic system of government
I never said it was, I said that it is much more likely in Democracy since Democracy merely relies on people pursuing self interest, rather than most alternate systems which rely on human good will.

>>54592610
>No one so far has listed any tangible benefits to a democratic system.

Its quite easy to sit back and say "nah, doesn't count" or "its shit", its that kind of thinking that lead /v/ to be what it is.

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>>54592624
No real sauce, just a lewd mating display of a stellaris portrait

>>54590499
It's incase, so I'd assume the males are all twinks with a love for human dick without the pheromones

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>>54592596
This just brought to mind questions. If we contact and mingle with an alien species, what the fuck is the anthropological department focus on boning gonna look like when we start sharing things.

>>54592651
Will /v/ ever be good again? Is /tg/ to share its fate one day?

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>>54592679
Aliens are not for sexual!

>>54592610
>As to your second point, I was referring explicitly to the democratic system, in which the biggest tribe always wins.
>what are lobbies
>what are purchased votes
Patently untrue. I can understand shitposting about politics on /tg/ if you want to take a three day vacation from 4chan or something, but at least don't throw blatant lies into it.

There is no "best" governmental system because there are so many factors that go into it that you can't even determine how that would be. For example, if I pitched a totalitarian monarchy where the monarch is guaranteed to be 100% fair and lawful, and completely non-self-serving, wouldn't that be the best government because there is no bureaucratic process and no chance for corruption? Any current democratic republic would pale in comparison, but people usually see those two words put together (totalitarian monarchy) and assume the worst automatically.

>>54587101
Halo already did this as it turns out. With the hunters specifically.

>>54592679
Its an unfortunate symptom of how 4chan is designed, exacerbated by both the speed of /v/ and the general culture of video games.

Anonymity and fast board speed encourage low effort posts, console video game culture has always been adversarial in nature (the console wars are a good example) and elitism ensures that people will want to belittle people for enjoying things they themselves don't like.

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>>54592696
Of course not, they're for loving and nurturing. Sexual comes later.

>>54587499
The whole convergent evolution thing only works with very basic concepts, such as "lots of life will have light-based sensory organs". The fact that we look the way we do has more to do with evolving from a four-lobed fish, rather than being efficient. An absolutely optimized form in every way would look terrifying, not human at all.
Evolution doesn't pick the most overall efficient morphology, only the form that is most the most immediately useful, and allows an organism to survive the greatest degree in the moment. The idea that the humanoid form is the most efficient in any case but our own veeery specific set of circumstances is simple ignorance at best and human chauvinism at worst.

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>>54592781
Aliens are for making friends with and coming to an understanding in order to become trusted allies

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>>54592774
That's a solid ass thesis anon. Which of course begs the question, will the necessity for effort and removal of larger conflicts supplanted by smaller conflicts on a system to system basis be enough to prevent an inevitable slide into the shitter? Factoring also events like the exile of quests which have had a pooling effect in to existing divisive groups that actively thrive on such spectacles.

>>54592184
Hmmm... One point worth considering though, in lieu of "What is fascism," which we have already established to be a reactionary movement to disunity and perceived weakness caused by outsiders or traitorous internal elements; is "What is democracy?" When you really break it down, isn't democracy simply relying on the collective intelligence of a nation? It's a decision to allow leadership to be directed by the average man, rather than the exceptional, surely?

>>54590093
>>54590136
The book makes it clear that the government, if anything, is Libertarian in nature.

The movie, on the other hand, treats it like a fascist parody.

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>>54592679
>Will /v/ ever be good again?
>/v/
>good
>ever

>>54586363
A non-cellular species, a race of creatures made out of self-replicating plasma and magnetic mineral membranes that live in the vacuum of space and communicate with tachyon signals, which allows them to adapt to future challenges, ensuring that every single one of their kind is not simply immortal, but knows what is going to happen to them at all times in the future.
This allows the formation of a sort of hive mind, if it can be understood as that, considering that every member of the species knows what the other will do no matter what action they will take. Because of their bizarre relationship with time itself, this species cannot and does not communicate with humans or any non-tachyon communicator species.
They are capable of self-propelled space flight and the development of "filament structures" that rely on tachyon noo-engineering to function, as they would collapse unless their builders know what the future holds for the structure itself.

>>54586363
I would suggest looking going to the Galactic Federation threads, the Anons there have made some fairly unique aliens. But I haven't seen any of their thread lately though

>>54592850
Democracy ironically suffers similar categorical issues as most political ideas and ideologies also do. Do we consider a monarch who allows populace chosen representatives to act on hand a democratic process? I imagine for the sake of this exercise to be a gradient scale of democratic practices between models like Swiss direct democracy, athens and early New England practices, draining downwards of increasingly less democratic models. Votes are ultimately a manifestation of the idea of Demos Kratos, representation, mercantile power and service capacity should also be considered.

>>54592892
I am but a man anon, nostalgia has mixed with reality, and I can only hope for a distant day that perhaps never existed.

>>54585416
Greys are real so doesn't count.

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>>54592956
That's because we got exiled to /qst/, when we were just roleplaying, and not doing a quest at all! I don't understand mods sometimes...

>>54587101
Reminds me a lot of the geth, especially Legion from ME2. For those uninitiated in Mass Effect, the geth are a race of former slave ai who rebelled after gaining sentience and were going to be put down. Individual geth bodies or "platforms" usually host one geth program, which on its own isnt that intelligent. But as more gather together, they can share processing power to coordinate basic motor functions, leaving space for higher learning and advanced tactics on the battlefield. Legion is a recruitable geth from Mass Effect 2 who is unique in hosting 1,183 geth programs jn ita body, enabling it to gain a human level of sentience and personality, the first proof in universe that the geth arent all mindless monsters who attacked their creators out of spite.

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>>54592847
I'm of the opinion that the only way to counteract the impact of increasing board speed is to quarantine popular topics into a limited number of generals, which has the effect of concentrating a certain amount of the population and not resulting in the creation of seas of threads that drowns less active threads. This way you can still give people the time and incentive to write longer, more thought out posts.

I actually have quite a bit of faith in /tg/ as a "culture" since its greatest strength is its ability to get lost on tangents and find value even in really stupid threads.

>>54593014
>talk about games?
>>>/tg/
>playing games?
>>>/qst/

>>54584977
Sci fi never had a Tolkien.

>>54584977
yes

>>54593095
Except for that time when Tolkien wrote a time travel story just to prove that he could write a better sci fi story than anything published within the genre.

>>54593058
I'd agree thoroughly with that statement barring a few personal adjustments concerning extraneous 'board culture' facets of /tg/ which sadly seem to be pruned further. But I digress.I'm also glad people like you are still around, there has sadly been some dispora.

>>54593070
And where do we draw the line? Is a bit of world-building/role-playing a 'game' in your opinion?

>>54593196
>role-playing
Right there. If the thread is primarily a vehicle for people to rp in, then it belongs on /qst/.

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>>54593220
>/qst/ is board is for author-driven collaborative storytelling (i.e., "Quests"). In a quest there is a single author who controls the plot of the story and who drives the creative process. They can choose to take suggestions from other posters, or not, at their sole discretion. Quests can be text-based, image-based, or a combination of the two. Drawfaggotry is strongly encouraged!

Well I don't see anything about role-playing in the /qst/ self description.

Let's check out the link from /tg/

>Please post all quest threads on /qst/

>>>/qst/

>Quest threads that are posted on /tg/ will be removed.

Hm. Nothing there either anon. Almost like your pulling that out of your ass.

>>54592246
Everyone is a sheeple to someone. This includes you by default. Therefore the only winning moves are either.

• Support a system of goverment under which all sheeple are treated well.

...or...

•Take over the world, ensuing that no individual or organization has the power to threaten you by being the most powerful and stamping out any competition.

Which of these is easier?

>>54593273
>Well I don't see anything about role-playing in the /qst/ self description.
I don't see anything about role-playing in the /tg/ self description.

Genuine question here, why are so many people so unhappy with the creation of /qst/?

Surely it is a good thing to have a dedicated space?

Or at the very least not a bad thing?

>>54593095
Wrong. We had Lovecraft

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>>54590814
>>54590889
That's the stuff of nightmares right there. Imagine how hellish a life like that would have to be, just knowing that one day you're going to wake up and feel yourself mentally degrading and that familiar biological pull that says "it's time". Imagine having to go through the rest of your days before maturation with the knowledge that "you" (in the ego sense) will soon be gone forever while your body continues without "you" at the helm. It really puts on the pressure to be something in life since eventually your only contribution will be being a mindless fuckbeast that propagates the species.

>>54585483
>>54590499
>>54590756
>>54591055
First Contact with the puazi consisted of an invasion. Their empire parked a warship in orbit around modern earth and announced their intention to annex the planet.

Then they started landing ground troops and made the unexpected discovery of the similar properties between the pheromones they secrete during mating season and those found all the time and in much larger amounts in human sweat.

The puazi women who's the protagonist of Xenobiology's grandmother was the invasion force commander.

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>>54593384
Do you want to get into it? Alright then.

1. Quests have been around a long time, and while there were always shit quests there were plenty of good ones, if any board could firmly place itself as having a firm quest identity it would be /tg/ as quests are a close online cousin to tabletop. Issues existed however where quests allegedly took up too much space, and regardless of whether or not this was true the issue became meanspirited and outright hyperbolic.

At which point when /qst/ was created it was ultimately created poorly, forcing all board cultures in with one another in a way which I think everyone expected to go poorly. Quality, author followings and general board quality have suffered and many people abandoned quests altogether as they were no longer on their browsing boards.

The issue also brings up other points of contention such as writing threads, art threads and history threads which have all suffered in some regard as 'not being board appropriate.'

It's just sad. There's really no winners unless we do something with /qst/ and make it far more dynamic,
possibly a tag system so individual boards would be able to sort through the shit, the option to turn off id's, capacity to make it more then just a one trick pony. But sadly it seems like that's not gonna happen.

>>54593334
>Something should be banned by default
>That create some pretty fucking swell things firmly within the realm of traditional games
>Traditional games have no connotation with role playing
Oh boy it's a re-run episode.

>>54585416
ayy lmao

>>54593531
>The puazi women who's the protagonist of Xenobiology's grandmother was the invasion force commander.

You're shitting me. Please tell me there's lore of this smut comic that I have somehow overlooked.

>>54593641
>if any board could firmly place itself as having a firm quest identity it would be /tg/
Wrong. Every board had their own quest threads in the beginning. When all the others kicked their questfags out, they swarmed to /tg/ which created the environment where quests flooded the board and took up most, or all, of the first page on any given time.

>>54593735
> The actions of a quest are in no shape or way related to actions of a table top board game
This is what I meant anon. No need to bite my head off.

>>54593641
>writing threads, art threads
Yeah, no. They don't belong here either. There not being any dedicated boards to accommodate them is no excuse. You can't post a thread about dog breeding here either.

>history threads
>>>/his/

>>54593817
Dog breeding would go on /an/

>>54593728
Unfortunately not. I just made it up. That said, the Puazi Invasion Of Earth would make for an interesting prequel comic.

>please take the hint Incase

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>>54593817
I wrote out a long ass reply but honestly it's not worth the effort. You're not gonna change, you're not even interested in convincing me to change and I don't want to get involved in another asinine discussion that's been beaten to death I'll get nothing out of.

Kind of sad isn't it.

>>54590055
Anyone can become a citizen. Barely anyone who does service goes into the military. You can be a blind quadriplegic and you can do service to get your citizenship.

>>54591185
What I don't like.

>>54590875
It's a great example of one. Remember the franchise was far less limited on local levels.

>>54592184
Democracy=/Freedom. Look at the democractic nations of Europe. There needs to be a higher authority that cannot be over-ridden by democratically elected officials who can wave their mandate and destroy everything. Currently the closest thing we have in the world to this is the US Constitution.

>>54592635
Which doesn't work when all parties start to push the same policies or are ideologically similar.

>>54594492
>the closest thing we have in the world to this is the US Constitution.
So that's why the US is never at the top of any rankings of freedom.

>>54594522
Democracy does not necessarily mean a party system.

>>54594560
That's largely due to a lot of bullshit that is brought up around those rankings. Places that throw people into prison for speech, limit property and rights of self-defence, etc get pushed above places like the US due to small prison populations, etc.

The only place in the world where English Radicalism, ie the best example of societal and individual liberty is still respected and practiced is the US.