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How is it logically possible that a brain, by this I mean essentially a very complex biological Turing machine, to ever come up with something like Godel's incompleteness theorems? Stuff that a traditional "computer" would never be able to work out even if given an infinite amount of time.

Our ability to generate logically consistent proofs for complex mathematics necessarily implies that either the brain is an n-dimensional manifold (where n > 3) that can operate outside of mechanical extended reality (in which case Descartes should be ejaculating in his grave and quantum computing may hold the key to human consciousness).

Thoughts? Refutations?

If anyone can, please do run further with this.
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>>8460435
Actually given an infinite amount of time the computer will calculate everything because stray neutrinos will go through it and flip bits for all eternity.
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>>8460435
Holy fucking pseudo-intellectualism
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>>8460441
Fair enough, I should have specified the computer exists in a vacuum with no outside influence etc

Thought experiment rules apply

What is the best order to learn the sciences?

Supervenient or branching from major and general subjects?

My take is:

>Math
>Physics
>Chemistry
>>Earth sciences
>>Biological sciences
>>>Social """sciences"""
>Formal sciences
>>Stats
>>CS
>>Systems science
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When you say "learn the sciences", what do you mean? The equivalent of a BS? BA? Two semester's worth of introductory classes?

The relationship from physics to chemistry really isn't really meaningful until you get halfway through your quantum mechanics class. The jump from chemistry to biology isn't hashed out unless you take very specific electives your junior or senior year of whatever program you're doing. What I'm getting at here is that if you're developing an order that will meaningful build on past learning in a different field, you're not really going to get much out of it unless you go all the way with a particular subject.

That being said, I think it's better to learn in parallel. Cover the basics in every subject you listed, then the intermediates, progressively getting harder across the board rather than going all-in with one at a time.

Or, go pants on head with math and physics then do the rest in whatever order you like. Earth science probably is better under physics rather than chemistry imho. Psychology is pseudoscience.
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>>8460177
About a B.S. degree level but a bit more comprehensive. B.S. degrees do gloss over a lot of aspects and subjects.

I'm also referring to self-learning. Math inheres in most of those subjects to some degree (including physics envy) and would help me at becoming more literate with those fields.

Would it not be better to learn math only first then go parallel with various subjects?

If I work "evenly" through chemistry, physics and biology, would I not run into instances where the biology requires more knowledge of chemistry (e.g. OChem/biochem) or the chemistry requires more knowledge of physics than I'm up to?

As for social sciences, I'm interested in it from a modelling of sociological and economic view, world systems analysis and so on.
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>>8460127
Fuck do you mean, "learn the sciences".
Just one science is enough to keep you busy for a lifetime.

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who /actuary/ here?
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>>8459961
thinking about it.
doing math major.
got a statistics exam tomorrow
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>>8459961
aspriing
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>>8459961
My sister is this it's just excel monkey + exams

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I guys, is there any engineer that can explain me the thévenin's theorem and the norton's theorem? I´ll have an exam tomorrow and i can't do this exercise. Pic related
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turn off independent sources

this is actually pretty straight forward as you only have resistors in this circuit. just find the equivalent resistance across ab.
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>>8459709
it would help a lot if you could solve it on a paper and take a photo, i would see the steps easily. i do't know how to associate those resistances. thanks anyway
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>>8459674
FUCK circuits

Why does the order of integration matter in double/triple integrals?

Like dx dy dz vs dz dy dx for a given surface or volume?
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In general it doesn't matter.
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>>8459670
Why tf did my multivariable calc professor harp on it for like 2 weeks then
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>>8459670
In general it matters a lot you idiot.

It only doesn't matter if your bounds are all constants.

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What is /sci/'s opinion on the Mensa organization and it's members? Do you think that it is a genuinely intellectual organization?
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>>8459660
A Circlejerk that has a barrier to entry.
Nothing more. Nothing less
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>>8459660
its just a meme
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>>8459660
>an organization of smartest people on earth
>hey let's do meetups and publish a bulletin and maybe talk about stuff

It's a bad joke.

If i gave you shit stats and forced you to play a game against players with much better stats than you, would it be selfish of you to just quit?

How scientific and reliable are IQ scores?

I have a two digit IQ. Unsurprisingly, i haven't accomplished much academically.
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>>8459656

Take some meds
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Unless you are in the top 0.00001 percentile or something, there's always going to be people better than you.
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>>8459678
That doesn't really make playing the game any more fun. i'm not going to round up a bunch of retards and inform them i'm much smarter than they could ever possibly be.

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Why is the average IQ in African countries significantly lower than other countries?
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>>8459565
>70 IQ
why do they even exist...
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>>8459565
Hitler was right all along, we have to gas the subhumans. The pure white race cannot survive while those apes leech off our great country's benefits while contributing only to crime. There were chances before Hitler, when our colonial empires brought glory and civilization to the heathen, but the scourge of liberalism and marxism killed our pride and feminized us, and now we're discussing social politics instead of ordering the black man to work on our new genius projects to spread the white race to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Really makes you think.
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>>8459565
Corrupt governments lead to greater poverty which leads to malnutrition which leads to improper mental development

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Hi /sci/,

I'm totally stumped on this QM question. We haven't been given a form of the Hamiltonian, so I think i'm supposed to show it generally.

Show that the Schrodinger equation is time reversal invariant, i.e. that the wavefunction solution of the schrodinger equation satisfies:
f(x,t)=f*(x,-t), where * denotes complex conjugation.

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Why not just use a general [math]\Psi(x,t)[/math] in the time-dependent SE and switch it for [math]\Psi^{*}(x,-t)[/math]? Check to see if the latter case reduces down to the original one after some simplifying.
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Yeah that's what I did, and I end up with f(x,0)=f*(x,0), and I see no reason why they should be equal.
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>>8459534

Why did you set t = 0?

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The recent epic b8 over at /fit/ may not be a b8 at all
Let's do the math.
So OP has 1 Kg of Osmium and wants it to weigh 30 lbs. In order to achieve this we have to convert both of these numbers into a force using the simple equation: F=m*a, and the gravitational pull of earth, g=9.81 m/s2 .
so F=1Kg*9.81m/s2 = 9.81N
So on earth 1Kg of Osmium will exert a force of 9.81N towards the center of earth. Now if you put that on a scale it would show you 1Kg or 2.205 lbs (1 lb= 0.4536 Kg), easy right?
Now we need to calculate the force of 30 lbs pushing down on our scale. Using the conversion given above we get another simple equation:
F= 30lbs * 0.4536 * 9.81 m/s2 = 133.495 N
Modifying our first equation a little we now can calculate the gravitational pull needed, so that our scale shows a "weight" of 30lbs:
133.495N = 1Kg * a ==> 133.495N : 1Kg = a = 133.495 m/s2 |obviously, duhh
If we divide this number by g=9.81 we get the needed acceleration in g to get a scale showing 30 lbs, putting 1Kg of osmium(or anything else for that matter) on there:
133.495 m/s2 : 9.81 m/s2 = 13.608 g
Now we have to find a situation in which mass would experinece this gravitational pull. For reference astronauts will experience something between 3 and 4 g during the start of a rocket, rollercoasters might let you experience up to 6g for a short period of time and 6 or more g for a prolonged period of time will usually cause you to lose consciousness and die.
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There's no place on earth where you'd constantly experience this, except from moving in small circles really really fast, so let's look at our solar system but before let's see how fast OP would have to run in a circle:
The equation for this looks quite simple: F = m * v2 / r We still need to make some assumptions about OP. As he's a /fit/izen we could assume that he's a nice runner and can reach a speed of 36 Km/h (No he can't, not running in a small circle that is, but let's just work with that). Lucky me, 36 Km/h is 10 m/s, now let' say OP is running around his mom, who has a diameter of 5 meter. So in order to not hit her with his head he'd have to run in a 10m circle(r=5).
Putting this in our equation using the mass of OPs Osmium weights we get:
F = 1Kg * (10 m/s2 )2 : 5 = 20 N
That's still far from our goal of 133.495 N. Modifying our equation we can calculate the speed needed:
v= [sqrt(F)sqrt(r)]/sqrt(m) ==> sqrt[(133,495)sqrt(5)]/ 1 = 25.83 m/s
So OP would have to run in a circle around his mom going 93 Km/h holding a scale with 1 Kg Osmium on top. Needless to say Op wouldn't survive that as he'd experience the 13.608g we calculated before.
Now back to the solar system. We can easily look at the gravitational pull of planets around us.
Planet Pull Pull in g
Mercury 3.70 m/s2 0.38g
Venus 8.87 m/s2 0.9g
Earth 9.81 m/s2 1g
Mars 3.69 m/s2 0.37g
Jupiter 24.79 m/s2 2.53g
Saturn 10.44 m/s2 1.06g
Uranus 8.87 m/s2 0.9g
Neptune 11.15 m/s2 1.13g
Hmm too bad those damn planets made of gas get less dense. So we might have to look at something else. what about the sun?
Sun: 274 m/s2 = 27.93g
Hmm that's roughly the double of what we need. So we have to look for small stars becaus planets made from gas become less dense.
The next star I'd think of would be Alpha Centauri A with a gravitational pull of 202 m/s2 = 20.6g and further out I have can't even find accurate data on mass and size of stars in order to calculate their gravitational pull.
I'm sorry, I give up.
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In conclusion OP will never be able to measure the weight of 1Kg Osmium at 30lbs, not because it's hard but because OP is a fuckwit. And although possible OP could not directly witness it due to the fact that he'd be dead.

correct me pls
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>>8459514
lol i made that pic, I CANT BELIEVE IT, YOU MUST BE OP STILL DESPERATELY THINKING YOU WERE RIGHT

THIS IS LITERALLY YOU OP

LITERALLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3bEh-PEk1g

PLEASE BE REAL

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Ok memes aside /sci/, tell me how to improve my fucking memory, i know brain training is a meme but is there any scientifically proven way to improve memory?
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dumb frog poster
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>>8459392
try different methods of learning shit until you get one that works best for you.
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>>8459392
Memory in what regard? There are some pretty decent and easy to learn techniques for memorising lists of words and the like.

Space exploration; should the U.S. Spend more money on it and cut military funding? What is your opinion /sci/?
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/pol/
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This is a scientific issue, yes? The survival of humanity depends on Space exploration. IF humanity is to survive, then we must colonize other planets
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>>8459236
I think governments should STOP funding any retarded shit like space exploration and start working towards a base income for their citizens.

Seriously spacefags. You are the cancer of the world.

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>SCIENTISTS have claimed that death may not be as final as we once feared – and that humans have souls that can leave the body after their hosts kick the bucket.

>British physicist Sir Roger Penrose explains how the human conscious lives on after death

>Sensationally, he claims to have found evidence that this information, which is stored in microtubules within human cells, leaves the body after a person dies.

>Sir Roger has argued that when a person dies temporarily, this quantum information is released into the universe, only to return to the body's cells if the host is brought back to life.

>He argues that this explains why people can have near-death experiences, and believes that this quantum information amounts to a soul leaving the body.

>The physics expert said: "If the patient dies, it's possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2123380/researchers-claim-that-humans-have-souls-which-can-live-on-after-death/

ayy lmao?
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>scientists have claimed that...
>thesun.co.uk
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>>8459114
But anon,

>Earlier this year, another remarkable claim about the afterlife was made by a terminally-ill violinist who survived 17 near-death experiences, and claims to have been to the other side.

>Paul Robertson died of heart disease on July 27, but believed he had seen death plenty of times already before he passed away.

>During one near-death experience, he claimed he was blocked from entering heaven by a group of laughing angels who smelled of aftershave.

>Another vision saw him bathed in the aura of an “Asiatic goddess”, whilst he claims a further supernatural encounter made him believe he was a husky dog bounding through the Arctic.
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>>8459111
>>8459114
They're literally making shit up now and passing it off as news. Usually they bundle the bullshit with some small pieces of the truth. How is this allowed?

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Why do we call them even and odd functions when they follow no rules of even and odd numbers? Shouldn't they be called positive and negative functions given how they act when added, multiplied, raised to a power, etc?
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>They are named for the parity of the powers of the power functions which satisfy each condition: the function f(x) = xn is an even function if n is an even integer, and it is an odd function if n is an odd integer.

how hard is it to understand
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>>8459082
>f(x) = x^n

woops, missed a ^
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>>8459082
>>8459086
He asked why we use such a dumb definition you shithead

>>8459079
The answer is there is no answer, its retarded

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How do we stop vertebrae collapsing?
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Carbon fiber support exosuit. Absorbs 90% of the weight applied by the torso.
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>>8459048
Replace vertebrae with nanomachines.
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Don't get osteoporosis: exercise and get enough calcium and vitamin D.

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