/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

What are some fantasy books with little girl protags who smash the patriarchy?

Anyone else here with a small vocabulary?

>>9925979
This isn't /pol/ anon

>>9925985
Nu male detected

>>9925992
I can't tell if this is ironic or not.

>>9925939
>Which authors (iyho) do you feel defined the sff genre?
Pretty much the ones in that pic, plus Lovecraft and H.G. Wells

>Which current authors do you see leading us into the future?
Mieville's the only really interesting one now

>>9925977
Mistborn fits that description in a certain sense.

>>9926006
Let's just hope the one leading us into the future isn't Scalzi.

genre fiction ain't shit

debate me

>>9926016
Your waifu a shit

Debate me

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Anyone one knows some good hardscifi stories about exploring life on another planet? I want a realistic story about the alien biology and stuff.

>>9926020
martian

>>9925939
>Which current authors do you see leading us into the future?
Watts for scifi and Bakker for fantasy :^)

>>9926020
You could start with the book that image is from.

>>9926020
That Titan book someone mentioned sounded biologically interesting.

Any fantasy books that feel like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure?

>>9926025
No aliens

>>9926067
Yeah gonna buy it when I see it for a good price.

Holy shit TUC is a slog to read. He really got carried away this time.
I just want akka to be happy at this point. Poor soul deserves it

Is Wolfe admired here by the nerds who frequent this general? I have never been here before and he seems divisive in general on lit. I'm halfway through the Claw of the Conciliator and loving it.

1) are long/short sun worth it?
2) what are some other books/series to check out if I enjoyed BOTNS

>>9926130
yes, wolfe circlejerks occur every thread

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>>9926130
>Is Wolfe admired here by the nerds who frequent this general?

>>9925939
What does that image mean?

>>9926020
Why do I think when I look at this picture that I'm seeing some bizarre alien sex act?

>>9926122
>Holy shit TUC is a slog to read. He really got carried away this time.
He wanted it and TGO to be a single book but his publisher split it and he had to rewrite it to justify.

>I just want akka to be happy at this point. Poor soul deserves it
Fuck Akka SorweelxSerwa OTP

>>9925977
His Dark Materials Phillip Pullman

>>9926176
that it doesn't matter how well written or "classic" your book is, stuff with dinosaurs will beat it every time

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>>9926130
Wolfe is our undisputed king.
>what are some other books/series to check out if I enjoyed BOTNS
Tales of the Dying Earth by Jack Vance and all the other great works by Wolfe.

>>9926182
>He wanted it and TGO to be a single book but his publisher split it and he had to rewrite it to justify.
>letting your publisher completely fuck up your work
what a cuck.

>>9926190
Actually a good read. Ending was dumb tho

>>9926221
Those are some stupendous covers

>>9926221
>ordered these and they're all the same except for Citadel which is a different edition
JUST
I need to send it back, right?

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>Axiomatic by Greg Egan
jesus christ is there a better hard sci-fi short story collection in existence

>>9926190
Probably the only good book with YA-esc setting and themes I've read
Re-read it a year ago and it was as crisp and enjoyable as when I was like 10

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>>9925319
It could be interesting, but only if you don't make it too generic. Which relevant books have you read? Besides the long sun I see in that picture.

Alastair Reynolds has two takes on the generation ship theme - one of the plots in Chasm City, and the second book (and third) in the Poseidons Children trilogy. Those takes had similarities but were still different, and they were interesting. Especially how they handled the shifting political climate on the ships and how cooperation between several ships on route to the same planet falls apart.

A gen ship book I didn't like was KS Robinsons Aurora. Besides the Mary Sue main character I disliked the ending of the book where:
after a couple of setbacks at their destination (and a failing ship ecosystem, which was interestingly explained though) she convinces most people to just turn around and fly the long way back to earth, which they do with newly constructed cryogenic sleep caskets.
The end of the book has the former crew helping fix the effects of climate change and jamming heavily down our throats the morale that it is not ethical to send out colony ships to other planets because the children of those colonists didn't sign up for the horrible conditions there, where they would live short unhappy lives. The book says the human urge to explore the stars, even with cryo-sleep, is stupid and that we should just sit wanking on earth.


Has anyone even read the Poseidons Children trilogy? Haven't seen it discussed here.
The series has many interesting aspects if you can stomach the elephants, like AI, posthumanism, a mechanical-darwinistic Mars, a somewhat functioning welfare state where your every action is monitored, some signs of alien life and so on. The series has superficial similarities to the Revelation Space saga, only without the doom and gloom.


>>9925939
>Which current authors do you see leading us into the future?
Brandon Sanderson is already setting a standard. I guess the future will have more similar authors, and many more books by the man himself. It would be nice to one day read the sci-fi Mistborn trilogy, but that thing is so far back on his roadmap. We've already had one short story set in the magical Cosmere with spaceships. There might be more on the way?

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>>9926295
>Brandon Sanderson is already setting a standard.

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>>9926295
>Has anyone even read the Poseidons Children trilogy?
I tried to read a few chapters of the second or third book (saw they could be read as standalone) but I couldn't get into it. I was more interested in one of the summaries about a 'secret in another system' or some such; knowing Reynolds, it might be fuckin' neto. Spoil the overall story for me please if you'd like

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>>9926282
I'd go mad with autism if I got them and just one was different.

>>9925939
>Which authors (iyho) do you feel defined the sff genre?
Asimov.
>Which current authors do you see leading us into the future?
Greg Egan.

Has anyone here read Michael Moorcock's essay "Epic Pooh?" What did you think of it?

And in particular, what can you recommend for examples of the kind of fantasy that he speaks highly of, that's designed to challenge the reader rather than just bring the reader comfort, that are also actually good fantasy?

I've already read plenty of Le Guin and Pratchett, as well as Moorcock himself. I think the Magicians trilogy is another example of this type of fantasy, as well as ASOIAF and Bakker's The Second Apocalypse stuff.

>>9926226
Bakker sucks at marketing and despite a cult following is a mid tier fantasy author in terms of commercial success. He's not GRRM. He can't just tell them to suck his dick. Although he tried, and that's part of why it took so long for TGO to be published.

>>9926114
Hahahah good luck. It was £20 for a pristine copy when I bought it in 2010, it's now £120 for the worst version. It's not going to get cheaper.

>>9926383
>"Epic Pooh?"
>Terry Pratchett once remarked that all his readers were called Kevin. He is lucky in that he appears to be the only Terry in fantasy land who is able to write a decent complex sentence.
Damn, Michael.

>>9926196
But doesn't BotNS have pseudo-megafauna? That's gotta count for something.

>>9926020
>General:
stanislaw lem - eden

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>>9926316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ZDBOc2tX8
He literally lectures to future sff writers.

>>9926328
Read it a while back, can't go into details, but it was pretty neato, with the earhlings meddling with giant alien ruins and ancient machines and shit. I recommend trying the whole series, as you can see some characters/concepts/stuff grow up during the series, and it's pretty satisfying.
But the book is tonally different from most of his other work. He approaches many of the same problems from new angles.

>>9926465
>He literally lectures to future sff writers.
Depressing.

>>9926391
>He's not GRRM. He can't just tell them to suck his dick.
Didn't grrm plan to have shorter story originally and only wrote feast and dance because publisher told him to ? He is even bigger fuck up since he wrote himself into a corner and can't finish his books now.
Agree about bakker. He's done nothing commercially except doing ama's on reddit and shitting out that atrocious trailer. Not to mention those dish plates on book covers

>>9926494
>Didn't grrm plan to have shorter story originally and only wrote feast and dance because publisher told him to ?
The story was planned to be a trilogy initially but he seems to have abandoned that idea either shortly before or shortly after Game of Thrones was published. And rightly so, there's no way the story could have been concluded in three books given the scope and pace of Game of Thrones.

>>9926494
>Didn't grrm plan to have shorter story originally and only wrote feast and dance because publisher told him to ?
no, I believe feast and dance were supposed to be one book but the overwrote (LOL who woulda thought that word would be mentioned in reference to him) and had to split it into two parallel books

When did Renarin become a Truthwatcher?

>>9924899

Needs a lot of subtle grammatical editing, not blatant typos but things like "whom" misused, "had" overused, commas where a semicolon might be more appropriate, and the (extremely common to genre fiction) over-usage of over-complicated words where a simpler word would suffice. Names are a little bit generically "fantasy", and I always prefer things to be shown rather than told ("Wardens are a part of the army but" etc.)

That said, I have these complaints about tons of stuff I get recommended in here, so take it as you will. You have to decide if you care about quality prose (which plenty of readers here explicitly state they do not care about) or if you intend simply to compensate with a good narrative and/or interesting setting.

If you just want to make it the latter, I would suggest taking the most common piece of advice I see anywhere, which is make sure the first page, ideally the first sentence, and especially the first chapter, are a serious "hook" for the reader. I found myself skimming the first chapter because I wasn't entirely sure what was going on, and it was a little too slow-moving.

Abercrombie's "The Meme Itself" is a good example of poor prose but good popular fiction techniques. The Shadow of the Torturer, on the other hand, is a far better example of taking a mundane opening event (four teenagers trying to sneak back to their dorm after recreational swimming) and making it seem tense and interesting by witholding information (you don't necessarily know that they are teenagers, why they are sneaking into a place, or where they just came from; it's stated so vaguely that one is inclined to believe they are on a secret mission and just swam across a moat or something) then leading to an action scene.

It seems like you're trying to lead into things gradually, but you really need to do something to win over the reader on page 1, ideally paragraph one.

>>9925985
>lel le pol is le dum because i no liek and what i no liek is dum

/pol/acks use words like "miscegenation", "Hebraic", and "crypto-Bolshevik" on a daily basis

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Why did /sffg/ tell me Sanderson is shit?

>>9926295
>Brandon Sanderson is already setting a standard
I sure hope not.

>>9926648
>shit
Because this is 4chan. Sanderson is like the definition of average. Warbreaker is, in my opinion, way better than most of his other stuff.

>>9926383
>What did you think of it?
Michael Morecock is a degenerate, a marxist and a hack. That's what I got out of it anyway.

>>9926697
>and a hack
You can only tell that by reading his writing, though, not by reading his criticisms of someone else's.

Also, he's not a Marxist; he's an anarchist. Anarchism is a distinct socialist tradition that arose independently of Marxism around the same time.

Le Guin is an anarchist too.

>>9926697
>post contains the word "degenerate"
How to tell an opinion is worthless in one easy step

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>>9926494
>and only wrote feast and dance because publisher told him to
I doubt it, he's just unable to wrap the story up and due to being a fat hippy is unable to plan things ahead of time. The bloat was likely not planned, he's just a bad writer. But...
>"If I were really cynical I would start some medieval sword and sorcery thing, say it's a trilogy, then keep writing it for the rest of my life."
>- Gurm, in 1981

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>>9926730
>>"If I were really cynical I would start some medieval sword and sorcery thing, say it's a trilogy, then keep writing it for the rest of my life."
>>- Gurm, in 1981

LMAO

>>9926648
>shit
*Anime

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Can someone critique my work pls

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KPzDXPqyfCAIHMiAANEYodDtRabJxQw44rxKmXR_PxI/edit?usp=drivesdk


I don't want to waste my time if it's going nowhere

>>9926730
>>9926752
ASOIAF isn't sword and sorcery.

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>>9926730
>If I were really cynical I would start some medieval sword and sorcery thing, say it's a trilogy, then keep writing it for the rest of my life
fuck lol

>>9926766

see: >>9926599

>>9926784

Right, it just has swords. And... sorcery.

>>9926707
>You can only tell that by reading his writing, though, not by reading his criticisms of someone else's.
I disagree, the kind of inferiority complex on display can't come from someone who's a successful literary writer or even a good genre writer. It's especially obvious to infer this by how speaks so highly of pulp. He comes across as a leftist Terry Goodkind more or less.

As for him being an anarchist I think the distinction is meaningless in the context of the article but I suppose it's interesting to know. I have a hard time telling the subversives apart. Le Reddit being one too doesn't surprise me at all.

>>9926709
I suppose that's one way to never have your opinions challenged.

>>9926789
Lord of the Rings has swords in it, and sorcery, but isn't sword and sorcery. "Sword and sorcery" refers to a subgenre of fantasy focused on one or two individuals having adventures. Conan is probably the archetypal example.

>>9926790
>I suppose that's one way to never have your opinions challenged.
Not at all. When your primary point is that you think the author "degenerate" or "subversive", it's clear you're not actually engaging with the text, but with a preconceived notion rooted in your own likes and dislikes. The closest thing you get to actual criticism is claiming that he has an "inferiority complex", which isn't actually supported by anything in the text - you haven't even tried to address any of Moorcock's points or offer a counter-argument for why Tolkienesque high fantasy is good. Lazy.

>>9926816
I'm not writing a critique on it though, this medium is retarded for that purpose anyway. I saw a question of what I thought of it and having read it I responded. Yet for those who are familiar with how those words are used I think my fundamental problems with it are obvious, I reject even his most basic assumptions and while I could write long essays about how he is wrong in that way I don't think it would be very interesting nor productive. It's kind of like reading a critique by a radical feminist, you can't really adress the points without first addressing the underlying ideological dogma that permeates the body of the text.

>>9926709
Spotted the degenerate.

>>9926869
then you're not "challenging opinions", just shitting out virtual turds from your fingers

>>9926766
not bad, but it needs to slow down in general.

you're giving us too much information at the start without much context.
> who is the baron highmark
> where is glenhaven
>who is boras
>where is darrowvile
>what and where is the Vale of Dwyerland
>etc.

could be a personal thing, but i don't prefer it when authors introduce their stories (and to an extent, their settings) by throwing a lot of new names and titles around.

In, say, a fictitious civil war story, the author details how "Robert E. Lee guided his troops through the ruins of Atlanta southward to the port of Savannah," I can draw a clear picture of what's going on and why because
>I know what war is going on
>I know who Robert E. Lee is
>I can look up where Atlanta and Savannah are located

those things are common knowledge to at least some people, and there is a large amount of information readily available to those who aren't familiar with the American Civil War so that they could create look up the information if they were so inclined to. Fantasy stories do not have that luxury as most of the locations are not on out earth and the only information on the characters is that which is found within the book.

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>>9926784
It wouldn't be hard to turn it into sword and sorcery if you just shaved off all the feasting, assorted filler and pointless multiple POVs.
>Clash of Crowns
>Barbarians of the Dragon Queen
>Ice Lords of Clim'a Tchenge

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>>9926939
I never said I challenged your opinions, just that rejecting everything that contains the word 'degenerate' as a rule must be a good way to keep your indoctrination intact.

>>9926994
>The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.

4chan Crimestop or "Memestop" is best exemplified by the phrase "GO BACK TO /pol/!!!"

tfw you thought only two books in a series had come out and find out there's actually been five

>>9926994
>I never said I challenged your opinions
it was implied

What's a good fantasy book/series that's completely and utterly disconnected from the usual 'save the world' plot?

I don't know how to describe it really, just some kind of high concept story like Breaking Bad or something, that just happens to be set in a fantasy world.

re: Broken Earth: why was the Guardian "city" called Warrant? Did anyone else find it a bit anti-climactic?

>>9927091
>What's a good fantasy book/series that's completely and utterly disconnected from the usual 'save the world' plot?
You have to be much more specific than that.

>>9927142
That seems incredibly specific to me. All I usually see is that kind of plot or some kind of subversion/satire of it from fantasy books.

>>9927142
>>9927142
think anon is looking for a fantasy story that deals with smaller scale conflicts. say, a human escaping from an elf slave mine or a dwarf being forced into a life of crime in order to fund his mining expedition.

>>9926648
>>9926675

Finally, Anons who get it.

>Read The Final Empire
>Its pretty good, if a bit clunky in spots
>Read the next two
>Progressively worse and worse
>My friend recommends Way of Kings, touts it as better than any of the Mistborn books
>Read Pt1.
>Embarrassingly Average
>"It gets better tho!"
>Read Pt.2
>Ok, this is breddy gud
>No more Stormlight at that point, go and read Warbreaker
>better than any Sanderson I've read yet, great , fun politcal intrigue, surprisingly decent characters
>Way of Kings rolls out
>Cue fans flipping out
>Its cumbersome, its slow, it's ultimately decent, but still full of all the problems Sanderson always has.

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>>9926383
You might find this interesting
http://www.curtisweyant.com/blog/epic-pooh-pooh/

In general, I dislike Moorcock and anyone else who tries to say bad about "escapism" since usually when an author makes something that's "challenging" to the reader what they usually means is that they were jacking off and venting while writing it.

Also since the essay has always been attached to Tolkien, it seems right for me to say that LOTR isn't really that comforting and is in the end a pretty bittersweet work. However, and I think the essay I linked above touches on this, I doubt Moorcock sense that since he seems pretty instinctively unable to empathize with any of Tolkien's viewpoints (talk about challenging the reader!)

Epic fantasy SET UNDER WATER?

>>9926077
Spren are like stands in Stormlight, if you think 1500 pages of build up is worth it

>>9927091
Sword & Sorcery and Heroic Fantasy generally have much smaller and focused stories that aren't about saving the entire world. But it sounds more like you want an atypical story told in a typical fantasy setting and I can't help you out there.

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We are so far into the future I can read /lit/ on my book. fun times.

>>9927266
Okay, fair enough. I think the piece itself is kind of poorly written and Moorcock is a bit silly for being so attached to it and not adding any nuance after all these years.

I still think he's an underrated author in his own right, though.

>>9927291
>>9927091

what about the glen cook detective series

I haven't read it and am too lazy to look up what it's called but I liked the Black Company books so its probably good

>>9927320
The single biggest mistake he makes is attaching his teardown of "escapist" subgenre to Tolkien and not Lewis or Jordan

>>9927342
Yeah. You can tell in his fiction that he has a bit of an iconoclastic streak in him, and rather than ripping Lewis a new asshole and just saying "Tolkien does this a bit too, albeit to a lesser extent" he focuses on Tolkien exclusively because LOTR is the sacred cow.

Claiming that Watership Down is fluffy escapism is also pretty fucking wild, IMO.

And this is coming from someone who actually has a good deal of respect for Moorcock.

>>9926383
Anyone who criticizes the traditions of fantasy (or sci-fi) should not only be ignored, but reviled. Moorcock is a shithead and is no different than the marxist fucks who almost destroyed sci-fi.

>>9927218
Yeah, this.
>>9927291
>But it sounds more like you want an atypical story told in a typical fantasy setting
Also this.
Shit, even I'll take something similar to the Dunk & Egg novellas, but I guess that would be closer to Heroic Fantasy.

>>9926383
I wasn't a fan.

yes, the hobbit actually does read like a whinnie the pooh book, but there is more to the Lord of the Rings series than pure "escapism" into an "unchallenging world" and Moorcock only hurts his own credibility by refusing to acknowledge this.

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>>9927320
Moorcock is underrated in a commercial sense. In all of the world of "literary" and "academically respectable" fantasy however he is enthusiastically worshiped whenever anyone gets the (admittedly rare) chance to namedrop him. All Tolkien usually gets in these spheres is some slight lip service to his "legacy" even though his body of work is absolutely overfilled with poetic value that's basically been buried beneath the Peter Jackson movies.

I guess I'll just say that I think SFF has grown up but SFF criticism still has a very long way to go.

so... lit/ any cool steampunk books? i already read boneshaker, any other really nice book?

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>>9927364
This honestly. But I'd also like to add that Tolkien's work is anything but escapist, if anything it's unwavering in provoking a sense of loss and reminding the reader of how much more is at peril should we lose our vigilance. It's absolutely brutal in a way that vulgar petty hogwash that the likes of Gurm and Morecock shits out can never hope to be.

>>9927426
the goblin emperor

>>9927426
Haven't read it, but For Steam and Country is apparently good.

>>9927364
It's fair to say Moorcock's criticisms are unnecessarily harsh and perhaps even wrong, but nothing is so perfect that it should be entirely immune from criticism.

>>9927502
Depends entirely on where that point of criticism is coming from and the criticism itself, sure. But as this anon >>9927266
points out in the essay he linked that Moorcock's """"""criticisms"""""" are basically bullshit and have more to with his marxist leanings unable to deal with Tolkien and traditional fantasy. Moorcock does nothing but set up straw mans and pretends to read the mind of Tolkien.

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>>9927435
This looks like cosplay YA fiction.

I hate it when the author reviews his own book on Goodreads.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2021633911

>>9927533
Then don't read it. I don't really care. Just offered a suggestion.

My problem with LOTR isn't that it's "escapist" but that it isn't really even about people. The characters are there, and they have motives and everything, but they're all more or less shallow.

Bilbo and Frodo both basically have no desires or hopes or fears or even strong preferences until adventure suddenly calls. They do what the plot demands of them. I don't want to say that Tolkien writes flat characters. That's unfair. But they aren't really three-dimensional either. They're kind of bas-relief.

>>9927553
I'm afraid to ask what fantasy novels you consider to have deeper characters.

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>>9927533
Steampunk is just a useless and vaguely unpleasant field for the most part

>>9927559
Literally anything where the main characters' lives before the story starts consists of more than a thinly veiled "waited for story to start."

None of this is to say the books are objectively bad. I'm just explaining why I don't personally care for them. The characters play second-fiddle to the story. That isn't really my bag.

>>9927553
LoTR isn't about the characters a whole bunch, and even then they're not presented in the sort of way where you're supposed to be super duper empathetic with them (esp not someone like Aragorn)

As for Bilbo and Frodo, I think you're way off the mark. They have tons of hopes and fears. Bilbo wants to have a safe, comfortable life, but he also wants to go on adventures like his ancestors. A lot of the Hobbit hints at that internal conflict he has between his adventurous side and his hobbit side.

And Frodo only wants to go on the quest of the ring because he feels as if the lifestyle he cherishes about the shire is under threat.

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>>9927585
Would Frodo really be improved by a super special RPG style backstory written by "that guy" with previous adventures and all? Maybe a chosen one prophecy and a secret lineage? Perhaps he knows the name of the wind? I don't see what that has to do with them as characters though, his history is quite well defined and it informs the character. I like the fact that the characters are so humble, it makes their deeds all more heroic.

>>9926221
>those covers
Jesus, how come we don't get covers like that anymore? I'm sick of this minimalist shit! I want a goddamn painting folded over and glued to the outside!

>>9927665
>paying artists to make art
>laughingpublishers.txt

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>>9927665
Yup, just look at this comparison. The upper ones I can recognize in my sleep.

>>9927655
Yeah, clearly that's what I mean, and not literally "he sat around all day doing nothing since birth."

Maybe Bilbo broke his leg when he was a teenager trying to impress a girl. Maybe Frodo is a little envious of Bilbo's adventures even as he's wary of being seen as strange like his uncle. Literally anything that suggests they have any feelings about anything at all besides "main plot" stuff.

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I've noticed something about the Ringworld.
because it is not a globe like earth, the day-night cycle is achieved by having light blocking squares orbit the sun on a smaller radius at a different speed than the ringworld itself. So far so good, this of course means that it is always high noon or darkest midnight on the ringworld.
But that means that there is a big flaw in the ringworld, namely that it wouldn't slowly become darker or lighter, as the terminus approaches it would go from high noon to midnight in pretty much an instant and the other way around. If you don't take care to note exactly what time it is, you could be walking around and suddenly find yourself in deepest night completely blind. Or you could be suddenly blinded by a scorching high noon sun after 30hours of midnight darkness. Any personal transport that doesn't operate on some sort of auto-pilot would be prone to accidents. Every 30 hours everything would need to come to a complete stop, lest they run into the danger of seriously injuring themselves or others.
The only way around this would be to stadium-tier illuminate the cities at all times, effectively killing the night anyway. but leaving everyone outside a city with this problem.
Oh and it would probably fuck the animals up, too.

>>9927426
The Aeronaut's Windlass

I haven't read much scifi but I really enjoyed Vonnegut. What authors/books should I follow up with?

>>9927701
Why not just have a ring of material that varies in opacity from completely transparent to completely opaque instead of squares?

>>9927701
There would be an abbreviated evening and morning. It would be like an eclipse, which is handy since we just had one and you should be familiar with the effect unless you're a yuro. The sun slowly dims over the course of a hour or so until it's pitch black. there would be no sunset or sunrise, but instead they'd have an eclipse every single day.

>>9927713
Because they also use the shadow squares to gather energy. I'd imagine it wouldn't work as well with transparent squares.

>>9927715
I'm not sure it would take that long as they say in the book that you can literally see the terminator moving towards you. But even then, it would be "harder" than an eclipse as I think the shadow square coverage is more complete than our moons. and yes I'm a yuro

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>>9925319
If you really want to avod re-treading ground with generation ships, read everything by Tsutomu Nihei. Pretty much every one of his stories is set on some sort of generation ship/arcology and he really plays up the ridiculous scale of time and space. I don't think anyone has approached the level of sheer crushing change over immense timescales as he has. They're also just good in general, and one of the few people I've seen who is willing to go FULL SCIFI and have everyone be genetically-engineered digitized-matter robo-mutant alien-hybrid clones inside a fully automated computer controlled arcology run by AI so old and complicated they don't even know what they are anymore.

>>9927724
Don't forget how INSANE the sightlines are in ringworld, and how you can easily see the movement of the sun on Earth with the right elevation. And a total eclipse is TOTAL, the sun is GONE! It's as dark as a moonless night.

>>9927691
You wouldn't even have to pay anyone, there's people on the internet who'd do it free if you sent them a signed copy

Books with evil wizards as the MC?

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>>9927749
Dragonlance Legends Trilogy. I know Dragonlance books are generally considered generic shite, but this is a weird exception - basically this lad Raistlin decides he wants to kill and replace the main goddess of evil. He does a deal with a long-dead archmage that gives him more power but breaks his body so he has gold skin and coughs up blood all the time, then goes back in time to kill that archmage in the first place for revenge, along with seducing and corrupting a priestess of the good god so she'll let him enter the Abyss. Wild times.

>>9927749
Confederacy of Dunces.

>>9927765
>female writer
Come on now. Be serious.

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>>9927695
I hate modern covers. It's always a thing or an animal or whatver on a plain background. Or worse some kind of photoshop abomination. Bruce Pennington, Boris Vallejo, Frank Frazetta, Chris Foss, Michael Whelan and so on always provided you with these appetisers for the imagination. I miss those days.

>>9927774
>womeme poster
Come on now. Be serious.

>>9927729
IIRC there's one chapter that has a scene transition with the note "300,000 hours later."

>>9927816
There's also a 400 year timeskip mid-scene, and at least once or twice an implied jump of tens of thousands of years.

>>9927845
Didn't the main guy once walk up a flight of stairs the vertical size of North America?

>>9925939
So /lit/ what makes a good urban fantasy?

>>9927875
The main character isn't a tool/toolette.

>>9927879
I want to know if it's a good decision to withhold any information that tells the ready its an urban fantasy

>>9927875
If it isn't written by a woman.

>>9927875
Focus on the territory itself - the rich elites, the seedy underbelly, the forgotten wreckage on the outskirts, the merchant district, the lurkers in the sewers - rather than one main person. Perdido Street Station is a great example, the Dresden Files are a terrible one.

>>9927813
>>9927894
People with this sort of view deserve to miss out

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just wanted to say, thanks lads

I'm giving genre fiction a break for a while so I can focus on more academic and relevant writing for my new job, so I'm afraid my sci-fi readings taking a backburner for a while

Just wanted to thank all you cunts for all the fantastic reccs. Came here fresh out of Dune and you've not given me a single bad book since. Please still be chugging along in sixth-eight months when I drag myself back.

I'm also a Blindsight shill so if someone could cover for me that would be grand

Love u all xx

>>9927907
Good luck anon, we'll be here.

>>9927901
what's wrong with the Dresden files

>>9927875
A city that's actually interesting. If the story stays in one town I want it to be a place I actually enjoy reading about. I read fantasy for the setting and world building mainly. Characters I can come to love over time, but what hooks me is the mysteries and the sense of wonder in the setting, if you can keep me reading with that then maybe I'll eventually give a shit about your characters.

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>>9927907
Good luck out there.

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>>9926130
>long/short sun worth it?

any newer sci fi about symbiotically sharing a body with an alien?

Do people here like Sanderson? If so, why? He's a Mormon for fucks sake.

>>9928045
No, he's in the hall of shame together with Rothfuss and BrentWeeks.

>>9928053
He's in the selected /lit/ chart though

what minor details annoy you in Sci-Fi/fantasy stories and how much? For instance when Mars is described as hot or red, or certain effects are left out, like they achieve light speed or faster than light speed travel, yet instead of arriving back home hundreds or maybe thousands of years later, just the time they needed to travel has passed on earth (or whatever their home is)
Does it piss you off when in Medieval fantasy someone shouts "Fire!" at their archers? Or when a set of knights armour is described as "too clunky and heavy, you could barely move in it"?

>>9927914
it's popular

>friend likes epic fantasy, especially LotR
>I like sword and sorcery, especially Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
Please recommend something we might both enjoy and discuss.

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Where is the shill?
Does the Djinni get the Golem preggers?

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>>9927729
If we're talking about comics, to be honest I'd rather read stories inspired by say The Metabarons or other Jodorowsky written stuff. While I think the ideas of Blame! are kind of neat I don't think they necessarily lend themselves to good stories, they just allow for the drawing of cool imagery.

>>9928085
Cerebus the Aardvark

>>9928059
So is Moorcock, what's your point?

>>9928109
That's because the Elric books are good, one shitty critique essay Moorcock wrote aside.

>>9928085
David Gemmell

>>9927729
"The Expanse" series deal to a degree with the vastness of space. The whole thing just happens in our solar system but even that (relatively) tiny space is, for lack of a better term, FUCKHUEG. There is no FTL or anything of that matter so travelling around in a space ship can take months at a time depending on where you start, and communication happens via laser signal BUT is limited of course by light speed, so depending on where mars sits in relation to earth, there will be a delay somewhere between 3 and 20 minutes. more if you're somewhere in the system further away. so people tend to record videos instead of trying to "call". Gravity is only achieved from accel- and decelerating, people growing up in lower gravities need certain drugs, and their bodies get a bit fucked up, to the point where some of them would have trouble under a full g for extended periods of time.
It's quite neat.

>>9928111
>the Elric books are good
[Citation needed]

>>9928140
Read them and you'll see.

>>9928111
>That's because the Elric books are good
No. I like the setting, but a better writer could do so much more.

>>9927772

underrated post

What fantasy series is the most metal?

>>9928160
The Mirrodin Cycle.

>>9928168
Clever.

>>9928170
I wasn't actually sure anybody would get that. Glad somebody did.

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>>9928160
Mistborn

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>>9928160

>>9928203
Emiya?

>>9925939
So glad to see Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell in there, I think it's one of the best books I've ever read. I even bought Pride and Prejudice just because I read it was a parody of that style of writing.

Are there any other books like this one that I didn't know? Or in which genre does it fits so I can keep an open eye? (I didn't see it in the "General" image)

>>9926130
Wolfe is our guy and /sffg/ is probably the most populated and active den of Wolfemen on the entire internet.

>long/short sun
Absolutely. They're one big story but the length is used very well. Long Sun is a far broader story than New Sun that goes further into religion and politics on a social scale, then Short Sun condenses it all back down to an intensely personal story more like New Sun. Something that should always be emphasized, read New Sun at least twice before reading 'Urth of the New Sun'. It's better if you strongly understand what comes before it.
>other books/series
>by Wolfe
'The Fifth Head of Cerberus' (post-colonialism, identity and memories), 'Peace' (stories within stories within stories, memory and identity), 'The Devil in a Forest' (simple old-timey bildungsroman with a nice Chesterton-like tone), 'The Best of Gene Wolfe' (his short-fiction is also some of the best in science-fiction) and 'Free Live Free' (Wolfe does Americana, almost feels like Pynchon at times).
>not Wolfe
>R.A. Lafferty
Short fiction writer fond of making everything confusing as hell and making lots of oblique references, a Catholic. Clear influence on Wolfe. Wolfe wrote a homage to his work, 'Has Anybody Seen Junie Moon?' which is great if you look at a bit of Lafferty first.
>Jack Vance
Tales of the Dying Earth is the obvious recommendation but his other stuff is also quite memorable. Demon Princes, Galactic Effectuator, etc...
>Chesterton
All of it.
>Borges
Wolfe loved Borges work, the librarian in Book of the New Sun is meant to be him.
>David Lindsay
A Voyage to Arcturus. This is one of the coolest science-fiction novels ever written and like Book of the New Sun contains lots of bizarre geography, traveling and philosophy.

>>9928226
Intoxicated with victory on the hill of swords.

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>reading Meme Wolfe
just cuck my shit up pham

>>9928262
Moorcock, is that you?

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>>9928242
>Are there any other books like this one that I didn't know?
I wish I knew some - so far everything else I've tried has been worse. There is a collection of side stories, at least (see pic related). How's P+P?

>>9928365
I saw that she had another one published, but it didn't seem like much. I'll try and give it a go once it's on sale. Didn't start PP yet, I have oh so many more books to read. I'll try to read some three or four in the next month so I'll start taking things out of the list. I gotta stop buying books I know I'll only read in the next year or so.

>>9928371
For what it's worth, there's allegedly another book coming out about people like Stephen and Vinculus who exist in the lower classes of that society. But it's been "coming soon" for like 12 years now, so who knows.

any books with 'meta-fantasy,' ala the magicians, or commentary on world-building, ala tlön, uqbar, orbis tertius or the tough guide to fantasyland?

>>9928187
Please explain the joke for the rest of us retards :/

>>9928045
What I've read of him so far I've found to be variable. I liked Elantris when I read it last spring. I liked the first Mistborn book but thought the second two books just dragged on way too long. (one specific comparison I'd point to is how in Elantris the main antagonist has a crisis of faith, and it feels more interesting than Sazed's crisis of faith)

He's inoffensive is the worst I could say about him. He's good at filing off rough spots, but in doing so he also files off the high points. IMO he'd be well served in doing some stuff that's more experimental.

>>9925939
Is anything in /sffg/ close to Cormac McCarthy? The Road/Blood Meridian specifically.

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>>9928444
I mean, it's not that it's particular high brow or anything. It's a series of books based on set of Magic the Gathering cards.
Pretty much everything there is metal, razor sharp metal grass, oceans of quicksilver, metal forests and so on. Can't get more metal than an entire metallic planet.

>>9928262

Bakker is the biggest meme here desu senpai

>>9928475
A Voyage to Arcturus kind of reminded me of Blood Meridian in that it's a psychedelic adventure story which kind of feels vaguely Moby Dick-like at times, but the constant and deliberate homage to literary tradition from BM isn't there, it's just the general theme of searching for god. Bleak and weird if that's what you're after. Style is also very Victorian, rather than contemporary/Western.

>>9928555
I think I am aiming more for the biblical/bleak. But VtA has been on my shelf for a long time now.

>>9928566
>biblical/bleak
Getting more specific now. I think that Bloom's label of 'gnostic fantasy' is more appropriate for aVtA. All of the biblical science-fiction/fantasy I can think of off of the top of my head is hardcore Catholic stuff like Wolfe, which I don't think really fits what you're after.

>>9928566
>I think I am aiming more for the biblical/bleak.

Different anon here. It doesn't seem that close to Cormac McCarthy's style of writing but if you want biblical & bleak, I will point you in the direction of the Book of the New Sun. I'm taking bleak to mean the state of things rather than the imagery, which in BotNS is colourful and vivid rather than bleak.

Can someone tell me when Renarin became a surgebinder/radiant/truthwatcher?

>>9927435
>>9927533
>Book One of the Adventures of Baron Von Monocle
Fuck, I thought about reading this thinking it was a standalone book.

>giving your own book five stars
lmao

>>9928673
>>giving your own book five stars
I mean, if he's doing it, why would he give less?

>>9928045
I don't like Sanderson and have everything against mormons but who he is in real life doesn't matter to me. If a book is good I wouldn't care if it was written by Hitler reincarnate.

>>9927091
Rogue Angel?

>>9928684
Well, I guess.

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>>9927311
>We are so far into the future I can read /lit/ on my book.
the future is awesome

I've got 2 audible credits and I want to dip my toes in to scifi, it's only in recent years I've got over my apprehension of scifi and fantasy.
I recently watched the very first Star Trek pilot and found it surprisingly intellectual and thought provoking, I was subsequently very disappointed with the campy Kirk version of Star Trek which is like Scooby Doo in space, scifi recommendations resembling the former would be much appreciated.

>>9927565
agreed. I have a hard on for solarpunk tho.

>>9927729
Got any specific recs to start on this guy?

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>>9928704
>Scooby Doo in space
yeah. awesome.
but you can try some star trek novelisations. I've got Killing Time on a back burner. But the first edition, naturally.

>>9927698
The Lord of the Rings is already almost a thousand pages long. Why would the author want to add more words about Skate Punk Bilbo? You know that Bilbo has an adventurous streak because guess what, he fucking goes on an adventure with a bunch of dwarves. The specifics of Young Bilbo don't matter, they're outside the frame of the story.

>>9927698
that's literally what fanfiction is for.
that's the exact reason fanfiction was invented.

>>9928757
BLAME! is the holy grail pretty much. Once you've finished that Biomega is amazing until about the 3/4 mark, at which point everything goes to shit and it's a short and disappointing flop to the end. After that there's Sidonia, which is TOTALLY different in tone, but pretty decent, at least until the ending, which is a flop again. If you're that guy, Sidonia is a generation ship made out of an asteroid, and thus the closest to the theme.

>>9928067
when armor is basically useless and main characters die because a sword is "thrust through their breastplate." That's when I see red.

>>9926617
Yeah, use them while ignoring their meaning. Impressive stuff.

>>9928771
The problem with the lord of the Rings is not really that too little information on the characters is given, it's that all the information about them is told to us rather than shown.

That isn't to say you can never tell and must only show, but sometimes the characters end up not being talked about enough in order for them to feel real. This is more so an issue with Mary, Pippin, and Gimli IMO and Aragorn and Legolas to a lesser degree.

>>9928980
What? All the characteristics of those chars are shown through dialogue and action. Only background is told, but it's always told to someone from a POV of not knowing, or having little knowledge, so it's like you're learning alongside them. You can't really show background except through flashbacks, and that has its own problems

>>9928980

I bet you get that same impression from the Illiad. Antiquarians can't appease modernists, get over it.

>>9928980
Tolkien isn't writing in the sort of mode that demands that. If you read Lord of the Rings, you see that he writes from a position that isn't super lucid where you're ~*~in the character's shoes~*~. You're reading from the Red Book of Westmarch about the events of the War of the Ring as told by Bilbo, Frodo, Pippin, Merry, Sam and Findegil the Scribe of Gondor.

Did anyone else feel real disappointed by how Neuromancer turned out? After they leave Japan the quality drops, almost in a physical way.

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>>9928687
What do you have against Hitler?

>>9929226
He was a godawful artist.

>>9929226
he was short and jacked charlie chapman's style.

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>>9929266
Not really. Sure, he wasn't a master but then again he never got into art school so we'll never know how good he had the potential to be. Compared to the degenerate art that flooded western culture after the second world war he was great though. If he had been a writer of SFFG he'd be writing great stories in the tradition of German folk tales and norse mythology but nobody would read them because if it's written by a white man in the mode of his own culture nobody wants to publish it.

>>9929299

Actually that's what most sf was like in those days. I guess he'd buck the trend in the hero bagging alien beauties, although we'll never know for sure.

>>9928687
You've read Lord of the Swastika then?

>>9929226
indecisive, prone to escapist fantasy, sexually repressed, incapable of having fun, bad work ethic, prone to tedious and repetitive ranting, poorly educated, pretentious, lied about which books he'd read, horrible taste, insisted on loudly expressing horrible opinions on subjects he had no knowledge of, like a fat american visiting the louvre and loudly complaining that art is a scam.

whatever you might think of the man's politics, hitler was clearly human garbage.

>>9929299
>Compared to the degenerate art that flooded western culture after the second world war
neck yourself

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>>9929148
what, you don't like space rastas?

>>9926766
What you have to realise is that the persons who read your excerpts are usually those that deal near exclusively with dinocore books.
Contemporary readers have too much books to digest to stop and read a wannabe author's work.

So if you are writing with the hope of being successful with contemporary readers, take what they say with a grain of salt. Look at the Sanderson lectures on youtube, read books on writing stories.

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>>9929328
You've sure listened to all the allied propaganda attentively.
>>9929330
You think I'm wrong?

>>9929360
>You think I'm wrong?
Yes. I don't like it myself, but your opinion and people like you piss me off "I don't like it so it's bad" "It's different so it's bad" "It's not like it used to be so it's bad". Fuck you.

>>9929299
>degenerate art that flooded western culture after the second world war

if entartete kunst is a post-ww2 phenomenon then why did hitler spend his entire life blaming it for his failure as an artist? how did the nazis have a giant exhibition of it in munich in 1937? i swear to god you're to stupid to even make sense of your own faggy ideology.

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>>9929328
>hitler was clearly human garbage.
You've never met him though, just heard people talk shit about him. Do you believe everything they say on CNN about Trump too?

>>9929360
Perhaps the artist is trying to evoke disgust?

>>9929299
besides the proto-fantasy writers who all wrote those stories.

>>9929392
Probably. And unease. Alarm. He has devil legs, see, and strange teeth, almost grinning.

>>9929366
That kind of art is objectively bad though. It's not about like or dislike but the artists inability to paint, the lack of skill and talent. It's a scam for pretentious people.
>>9929373
I know the national socialists despised it, but when they were in power it was suppressed. And I'm not even a national socialist, just someone critical of mindless hate in all forms.

>>9929413
>That kind of art is objectively bad though.
Wrong.

>>9929360
>the allied propaganda
>Do you believe everything they say on CNN

kek. most of what we know about hitler being a garbage person comes from his own nazi\pro-nazi pals like goebbels, speer, putzi hanfstaengl etc. we're talking about contemporary journal entries from numerous people who are on his side politically but still think he's a laughable piece of shit in private.

my favorite bit from putzi's journals is when hitler was crushing on putzi's hot wife (this is in the mid-20s i think) and he tried to hit on her while putzi was away but he just broke down and cried on his knees in front of her. she thought it was incredibly pathetic, told putzi all about it, and they had a private joke where they would use the neuter grammatical gender when talking about hitler to indicate that he's not really a man. putzi, being a bit of an armchair psychotherapist, speculated that hitler was only good at public speaking because it provided him with a replacement for sexual intercourse, which he could never have, being either impotent or some sort of an eunuch.

>>9929392
You can do that and still be talented as an artist, like say Hieronymus Bosch did.
>>9929417
The irony of a relativist telling someone they're wrong.

>>9929429
>she thought it was incredibly pathetic, told putzi all about it
Yeah, she didn't make that shit up at all.

>>9929436
Fuck you. Your opinion is shit and you're too far up your own ass to realize that your personal preference is not a measure of quality. Are you going to call Picasso shit because he doesn't paint like Rembrandt? Paul Klee and Gustav Klimt? What about Egon Schiele? Van Gogh? Suck a fat one.

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>Commies and nazis ruining SFFG
You're both way too obsessed with Hitler for your own good. To get back on topic, what author would you guys recommend to start reading after Frank Herbert?

Who would you say are the fantasy authors that come closest to doing in fantasy what PKD does in sci-fi: Pulp with deeper meaning and ideas thrown in as well?

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Anyone read this? Really liked the Ambergris stories but this one I didn't really get the ending with Ethan Bliss

>>9929457
Mein Kampf by A. Hitler.

>>9929446
t. Modern Art Student

Go shit on a canvas.

>>9929457
Asimov and Heinlein. Maybe Clarke. Depends on what you liked most about Frank.

>>9929413
>I know the national socialists despised it, but when they were in power it was suppressed

wait so now you're claiming entartete kunst flooded the western world only after ww2 because of nsdap suppresion? how did the nsdap suppress art movements across the entire western world for the whole first half of the 20th century if they were only in power in one corner of it for 12 years? why would you dig yourself deeper into this nonsense? just admit that your education is so poor you can't tell the difference between art movements that emerged in the late 19th century and ones that started half a century later. once you admit that you can't tell a picasso from your own dickhole then you can go read a fucking book and stop being such a fucking depressing void of opinion without knowledge.

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What are some good books involving tax policies?

>>9929475
Settle down grandpa.

>>9929478
I liked how imaginative and vivid the world and stories were. I've already read Asimov and found him a bit bland.

>>9929493
Clarke and Heinlein then. LeGuin is also a must. Few people have put as much thought as Herbert did into his work tho, so I doubt you'll ever get that feel again. Oh, and if anyone suggests Card, punch them in the gut.

>>9929442
nigga if you're going to dismiss all negative anecdotes about hitler as fabrications then get ready to know nothing about the personal life of hitler because everyone who knew him has stories that make him look like a pathetic caricature. i'm sorry man, your idol was a bit of a loser.

>>9929475
Maybe I will. And I'll call it "Anon's Fuckbrain Opinion"

>>9929510
heh, got 'em

>>9929510
That would be a pretty empty canvas.

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>>9929509
>your idol was a bit of a loser.
Why do you do this? You're so rabid in your hate of this dude you're imagining that anyone who doesn't hate him as much as you is a nazi. I really don't care if he was or wasn't an übermensch and I don't think we can truly know how he was as a person.

>>9929510
That'd be entirely in line with contemporary art honestly. Maybe you can get a red paint enema to symbolise butthurt.

>>9929502
>Oh, and if anyone suggests Card, punch them in the gut.
Don't listen to this anon, Card is much better than Urusla Le Reddit.

>>9929475
>Modern Art Student

ah yes, the old classic where academia is a shadowy conspiracy that invents and promotes art purely to make you feel bad for not getting it. what kind of a garbage creature do you have to be to use education as an insult on a literature board? more and more evidence that these generals should be banned to get you retards out of here.

>>9929548
>lereddit

Yeah nothing more to add. Jesus Christ man, you are beyond pathetic.

>>9929446
>Are you going to call Picasso shit because he doesn't paint like Rembrandt? Paul Klee and Gustav Klimt? What about Egon Schiele? Van Gogh?

But anon those are unironically all shit, especially Picasso, the most overrated pseud in all of art history

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>>9929552
It's not a conspiracy, they just pander to retarded upper middle class to upper class retards who want to make art but not have to put any effort into it. Actual skill is discouraged because it would make the others look bad.

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>>9929558

>>9929566
He's not wrong. If Picasso's art is on par with a Deviant Art user trying to be deep.

>>9929568
I don't have the time or the patience to explain to you how wrong you are.

>art and Hitler
Looks like the mods will be visiting us again soon.

>>9929552
>He thinks universities still impart education

LMAO either you've never been to a 21st century uni or you were too stupid to grasp how shitty it was.

>you just aren't smart enough to understand how deep two squares of colour on a canvas really are

Yeah, much like modern and pomo lit, modern and pomo art started as a (failed) experiment (Picasso) became an unrepentant meme (DaDa) then became a get rich quick scheme (Pollack, Warhol, etc.) and then, once everyone who was in on the gag was dead, became taken seriously by those too weak and ignorant to escape the Emperor's New Clothes effect, and that is why nobody gives a shit about "modern" art except pseuds.

But by all means, tell me again how deep and autistic the genius of "Piss Jesus" really is

>>9929572
No, educate a simpleton like me. Then I'll be one more person who can right the wrong when the time may come.

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>>9929553
Recommending that old stuck up cunt is what's pathetic.
>Muh vagina
>I hate men
>Especially white men
>Gender shouldn't exist

>>9929534
hitler being pathetic irl is so well documented that you have to have a strong reason to dismiss all of it and i don't see why a person would go through the trouble of rationalizing away a mountain of reliable evidence unless they were enamored with the dude's politics.

also aren't you the same dude that was accusing people of relativism in previous posts? because now your defense of hitler is that evidence doesn't matter because we can't really know anything about anything. you must have some emotional attachment to the dude if you're willing to deny the existence of knowledge just to defend him.

i, on the other hand, am no relativist and so i claim that the personal life of hitler can be accurately reconstructed with the careful analysis of available evidence, and that what that reconstruction shows us is a laughable spineless worm. i'm committed to this claim, not like you with your "can we ever know" faggotry.

>>9929502
>Recommending womameme authors

>>9929572
>I don't have the time or the patience to explain to you how wrong you are.
>>9927011
>The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.

Definitely a university student, probably a sophomore or yuropoor and/or Bearer of the Sacred Vagina

Why do you people respond to this dumbass? It's pretty clear he's never read a book in his life.

We seem to be straying slightly off topic. Anyone else here like books? I like books. Even read 'em sometimes. You know the best thing about older books? They were written in an entirely different political climate. Makes it seem remote. Doesn't evoke an emotional response.

>>9929591
Because claiming that post-modern art means anything or have any value is the ultimate bait.

>>9929586
>using 1984 to justify your hatred of education

you're reveling in your own depravity here, right? you're, like, pooping in your hand and smearing it on your erect penis as you type these posts, right? it's not like a person could reach this level of intellectual degeneracy without noticing, so you must be some sort of turbo-hedonist that loves degrading himself.

>>9929596
cringe as fuck mate, don't write posts like these here please

>>9929604
Always the scatological obsession with you guys.

>>9929607
D:

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>>9927025
>read three books about Wizard kids and saving the world and talking whales and transforming into whales to sacrifice yourself to save the world
>awesome

>10 years later, wonder if there are any more, nostalgia calls
>whole shelf, 20+ books


So glad i found out about ebooks. That shit will break the bank.

>varg made a video on lotr
>the comment section is full of ''pagans'' trying to prove he was not really christian deep down

kek, pure pottery

>>9929608
us art students, right? we breed like rats

>>9929604

I don't hate education, I would have to be self-loathing to do so, also you've assumed you're only talking to one person when the other guy you're talking to was also called (by you) a hater of education, so I suspect you're just being lazy.

But for the record, what you have done is mock, deride, and indicate your boredom with what I had to say, then resorted to "hilarious" schoolyard invectives, indicating that I clearly hit too close to the mark and flustered your fanny. All of the above is also, of course, crimestop in action.

When you graduate in two years, thousands of dollars in debt with no marketable skills, and become a Bernskyite demanding that someone else give you free money, you will be even more emotionally invested in believing your "education" was worthwhile. If I hadn't spent my entire life reading before university I would've gotten nothing from it at all, and most of what I did get was in spite of The Professors, not because of them.

In closing, to call the 21st century university a place of "education" is truly Orwellian

>>9929663
i'm 30, have been done with education for years and it was 100% free. but can you write more of the adventures of imaginary me, because it's hilarious. it's always fun to be an object of someone's weird fantasies. what color underwear am i wearing? just kidding i'm naked

>>9929559
The neoclassical movement is largely made up of people who started out with, and many who still do, postmodern art.

Has anyone noticed that female sci-fi/fantasy writers are unequivocally better than men? Female writers always write the best books.

all art post van gogh is dogshit

that doesn't mean hitler was a good guy though

>>9929731
Why do those silly boys even try? Back to the uranium mines where they belong I say.

>>9929740
He didn't try to replace his own people with arabs and africans so he was okay in my book, or rather not nearly as awful as our current rulers.

>>9929804
We are all humans anon, separated only by artificially drawn lines on a map.

>>9928160

Warhammer always seemed like it was trying to be as metal as possible desu.

>>9929148

Its been a while since i last read it but i infinitely prefer the early parts where the protag thinks someone is trying to murder him. It has other good moments though

>>9928095
>tfw no golem gf to fuck and have confess undying love to you
It hurts.

Too much /pol9k/ in these threads. I just want to talk about fantasy and sci fi.

>>9929596
>straying slightly off topic
>slightly

>>9929912
Just report them. Mod is already cleaning house

>>9929679
>30

Wow, I give people my own age way too much credit if this is a normal level of maturity for them.

Also you are obviously a womeme which explains everything but it's still disappointing

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I'm about to finish the LOTR trilogy. Any recommendations on what to pick up next?

>>9929461
the corwin series in the chronicles of amber (zelazny)

>>9929967
Everything about this post is funny, surreal even.

>>9928506
these are pretty wild. they're badly written and edited, but they have some cool Gnostic themes to them, and i thought it was interesting how the preexisting elements of the MtG universe were adopted to fit the symbolism (planeswalker's spark = divine spark, and so on).

>>9929991
Depends entirely on what you're looking for. If you're new to sffg I'd recommend Dune.

>>9926465
to be fair, his lectures are far better than his books

>>9927724
You'd also see the night coming literally miles away.

>>9929148
Count Zero, despite the different style, is a much richer book. I'd say it starts weaker and stays weaker than the first 2/3rds of Neuromancer, but it keeps that way throughout, and explores more concepts, builds a richer world.

I also enjoyed neuromancer's space segment though.

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I hate thia site. I hate this board. I hate this fucking general where reddit is an insult for some autistic reason, where reading women authors is a meme or some shit because fags here get triggered by the fact that women actually exist and do shit and their mindless droning minibrains can't handle that, where no discussion at all is to be had because some cretinous faggot has to divert the conversation and every single other autist has to validate his faggot ego by giving him (You)s and any semblance of actual conversation is drowned by all the shit. Fuck you all.
See you tomorrow.

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>>9929860
Grow up. Property is just as artificial as borders so I guess that makes it alright to take your stuff. It's also entirely besides the point, governments are supposed to represent and work for their people, not actively against them.

>>9930004
Oh yeah, they weren't very good at all, but they came out in 2003 and me being 13 years old at the time mostly enjoyed them for the weird fantasy world they described. If I recall correctly they're written by different authors too, and I felt at the time that at least one of them was noticeably worse than the others. but then again, I read them some 14 years ago. and in a german translation

Is LitRPG only for stupid nerd bitches or do they have any value?
Any nice ones with GRIM?

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>>9930204
>do they have any value?

absolutely not.

>>9930204
litrpg is 100% a meme

>>9930218
dunno how the image got there, TTBC is not litRPG and is actually very good, can't wait to get chained to a rock at low tide by the sequel.

>>9930133
yeah that was pretty much my story, too. as a kid i found the notion of a hollow planet and an all-seeing artificer who spied on an artificial plane / planet disturbing - having never read any sci-fi or fantasy before, it was a huge trip, and later on i made the connection to gnostic mythology.

I got about halfway through Midnight at the Well of Souls but had to drop it. I knew it was schlock from pretty early on, but had to stop when the Mary Sue MC had to rebuff the advances of the beautiful exotic centauress who desperately wanted to fuck him. Does anyone know any books with prominent transformations that's also decent?

Don't want to get banned for off-topic, but I have to say that I'm almost shocked that that Nazi retard managed to argue less effectively than pomo art advocates

>>9930224
Like women authors then? Not sure what to make of that.

>>9930340
She rapes him later.
After his transformation.
>Mary Sue MC
You haven't even got to that part where he remembers that he's immortal and has been deliberately without memories because living is such a horrible bore.

>>9930340
>Mary Sue MC had to rebuff the advances of the beautiful exotic centauress who desperately wanted to fuck him.
Maybe he has moral standards anon.

>>9930384
Oh geez, I almost want to continue now.

>>9930401
That's not the point, dude.

>>9930404
You racist against rutting centaur lasses?

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>>9930404
You don't think it realistic for a shy young woman, who has undergone a traumatic transformation that has altered her hormones and sexual organs, to cling desperately to and paradoxically desire domination of a male authority figure?

>>9930432
It's not that it didn't make sense in the context of the story, it just felt like really transparent wish fulfillment in the part of the author. It's probably too quick to pass judgment, so I'll read further, but that on top of the bizarrely written one-dimensional characters leaves me with little hope. I mean, these guys are told they'll spend the rest of their lives on a weird constructed planet as some bizarre alien species, yet none of them seem more than a little surprised and mildly annoyed.

>>9930469
If you think that really transparent wish fulfillment involving exotic alien babes throwing themselves at people is a bad thing, then you're on the wrong side of the railroad tracks bud.

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>>9930204

>>9930531
redpill me on angle grinders

>>9930516
Fair point.

>>9930550
the books are generally about the character mining ore or farming dire wolf buttholes 24/7.

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>>9929487
>>9929487
No one answered my question.

>>9929487
>>9930582
Nothing written by Gurm for sure.

>>9930340
>Does anyone know any books with prominent transformations that's also decent?
I don't know if you're the same anon, but the last time this came up I suggested The Dragon and the George. Granted I enjoyed it because I love Flight of Dragons, which it's based on.

Why do /sffg/ say Sanderson is shit?
I've read Warbreaker and Elantris so far and they were pretty good.

>>9930648
because he's popular and not meme wolfe

>>9930624
Not the same guy. I'll check it out, thanks.

>>9930340
Son of Man by Silverberg. Surreal adventure in the far future that involves transformations of sex, species, and at one point into a stream of colour iirc.

>>9930648
His most popular series is Mistborn and IMO it's the least of his stuff.

>>9930648
he doesn't write in a literary style

>>9930624
>which it's based on.
Errr, "which is based on it"
>>9930655
np

>>9930663
Anon is put off by rutting centaur women and you recc a book with multiple detailed descriptions of ritual orgies?

>>9930685
>he doesn't write in a literary style
this is an understatement
dude has VERY pedestrian writing chops

>>9930695
Honestly slipped my mind. The orgies aren't even in the top 5 biggest impressions from that book.

>>9930713
I liked the rest of it, and the transformation stuff is probably what anon wants, but I found the orgies a bit nauseating and they are no small portion of that book.

where the new thread at bitches

>>9930672
Mistborn is cracking, it does what Abercrombie thinks he's doing

I just pretend the sequels don't exist

>>9930888
>>9930888
>>9930888
new thread here

>>9930204

I replied on the next thread
>>9931346