What are some good books about down-on-their-luck, hustling characters that have turned to petty crimes and self-destructive vices in an urban society, similar to Chase from Neuromancer?
The setting doesn't matter.
>>7634314
The Bible
Anything by Genet
>>7634314
Don Quixote
What are some things that you hate to see in books?
What are the worst cliches in your opinion?
What about things you love to see?
I am specifically interested in structure. Most people know to try and not over use words, but there are plenty of other things that could take a good book and make it painful read.
Lots of things people don't even know they're doing.
Beyond structure:
Just a general do's and don'ts
People may not want to change up their writing to compensate for someone else's personal preference, but it won't hurt to be aware of them, especially if there's a pattern.
>What are some things that you hate to see in books?
genre fiction
>>7634189
>What are some things that you hate to see in books?
plots
>What are the worst cliches in your opinion?
descriptions of people and places
>What about things you love to see?
despair
>>7634223
>>What are some things that you hate to see in books?
>plots
This.
Anyone wanna recommend a book to a "pleb"
I haven't read a book in like a month.
Huxley, Vonnegut, Dostojevski and Murakami are some writers whose work I enjoy
I'd be looking for something interesting yet not too challenging
Any suggestions?
Roll for it from this list
Start with the Greeks.
>One night when Beauclerk and Langton had supped at a tavern in London, and sat till about three in the morning, it came into their heads to go and Knock up Johnson, and see if they could prevail on him to join them in a ramble. They rapped violently at the door of his chambers in the Temple, till at last he appeared in his shirt, with his little black wig on the top of his head, instead of a nightcap, and a poker in his hand, imagining, probably, that some ruffians were coming to attack him. When he discovered who they were, and was told their errand, he smiled, and with great good humour agreed to their proposal: ' What, is it you, you dogs! I'll have a frisk with you.' He was soon drest, and they sallied forth together into Covent-Garden, where the greengrocers and fruiterers were beginning to arrange their hampers, just come in from the country. Johnson made some attempts to help them; but the honest gardeners stared so at his figure and manner, and odd interference, that he soon saw his services were not relished. They then repaired to one of the neighbouring taverns, and made a bowl of that liquor called Bishop, which Johnson had always liked; while in joyous contempt of sleep, from which he had been roused, he repeated the festive lines,
>'Short, O short then be thy reign,
>And give us to the world again!'
>They did not stay long, but walked down to the Thames, took a boat, and rowed to Billingsgate. Beauclerk and Johnson were so well pleased with their amusement, that they resolved to persevere in dissipation for the rest of the day: but Langton deserted them, being engaged to breakfast with some young Ladies. Johnson scolded him for 'leaving his social friends, to go and sit with a set of wretched un-idea'd girls.' Garrick being told of this ramble, said to him smartly, 'I heard of your frolick t'other night. You'll be in the Chronicle.' Upon which Johnson afterwards observed, 'He durst not do such a thing. His wife would not let him!'
tfw you will never go for a ramble with Johnson in the middle of the night
>tfw no ruffians to sally forth with
sounds like the typical kind of shenanigans drunk people might get into late in the night
if they have friends
>>7633592
You should read the age of scandal, by T H White, it's got a whole chapter of stories about drunken 18th century aristocrats locking themselves up in rooms with a vow to drain a barrel of sherry, or walking a hundred miles between 5 parties.
I now reading Robinson Crusoe and its fairly interesting to see how he try to combine some sort of moral outset along with historical deception on the events
you can see it when he reach the point of stabilized life on the island the author push forward some moral outset which seems to be linked to the place of god in relation to Robinson s well as his relation to earth in form of historical description of chain of events followed after the moral compression in form of a journal which almost read as chronic.
a way of Robinson to locate his place in life after its seems the materialistic cause almost consumed him.
btw im a girl :)
>>7633141
The materialism is a product of Defoe wanting to be really specific and meticulous with what Crusoe had. He's not so consumed by it, it's just Defoe wanting to provide the reader with a really in depth composition (even though he does fuck it up and the pacing gets fucked - remember the lighter). I guess you could argue he is consumed by it, in terms of him being so reliant on it, but all those pages describing how he made pots seems more like the author trying to get across something than Crusoe trying to recount the particularities of some mundane activity.
>>7633594
I more talked about it in sense of relation to time its probably aimed to show how self evedint tools and tasks are not as such
I've been finding it harder and harder to concentrate on words, sentences, paragraphs. Let alone chapters. Chapters often have page after page of paragraphs. It just seems such an awful lot of words to concentrate on, on their own, without something else happening. And once you've finished one chapter, you have to get through another one. And usually a whole bunch more, before you can say finished, and get to the next. The next book. The next thing. The next possibility. Next next next.
Still, I am an optimist. Most nights last year, I got into bed with a bookand started. Reading. Read. Ing. One word after the next. A sentence. Two sentences. Maybe three.
And then... I needed just a little something else. Something to tide me over. Something to scratch that little itch at the back of my mind - just a quick look at my email; to write, and erase, a response to a funny tweet; to find, and follow, a link to a really good article, or, better, a thread about recommended books on /lit/ (which I might even read most of. The list of recommendations, not the actual books). Email again, just to be sure.
I'd read another sentence. That's four sentences.
It takes a long time to read a book at four sentences per day. And it's exhausting. I was usually asleep halfway through sentence number five.
your're brain has been fried
>>7633050
Why are you doing all that in bed?
Try something else. Try non fiction. Try genre. Colouring books for adults (or not).
You have been commissioned to write a new translation of the Odyssey.
How would you translate "πολύτροπος"?
Google translator says it means "multimode" so that's what I would go with.
many-minded. Fits Odysseus's cunning the best
Polutropos
Who are some good Rightist, traditionalist, authoritarian, and or fascist poets?
I've heard Ezra Pound had a fashy streak.
This is not a thread for legitimizing or critiquing the politics of these movements, simply a discussion of the poetry in their spirit.
>>7625552
Futurists, perhaps.
Lovecraft wrote a poem once...
>>7625552
As far as authors (dunno about poets)
Heinlein was an unabashed Fascist, although by no means a racialist.
Junger is hard as fuck to read (that is, his motivations are hard to read), and may be very uncomfortable for most /pol/lacks as his traditionalism sees Fascism and totalitarianism as revolutionary (On the Marble Cliffs)
If you want some ultra conservative racialist traditionalist genre fic, pic related. One begins to believe Larry Niven wants to see the world burn
Thoughts on pic related? Im half-way through, so far I think it's great. What did you guys think?
It's really good although the professor got a little too mushy gushy and made me feel weird.
>>7623092
>the professor got a little too mushy gushy and made me feel weird.
embrace your sexuality girls get them browny points suck that dick
>>7621357
Its great, although everyone riding on Mina's dick as the 100% IDEAHL WOMAN can get a bit corny.
Brazilian /lit/erature thread, meus negos.
>What's your favorite brazilian author?
>What do you think about our contemporary publications?
>Is Mario de Andrade a hack?
And, of course, brazilian /li/ discussion.
>>7619142
ESCARAVELHO DO DIABO
XISTO NO ESPAÇO
COLEÇÃO VAGALUME
>>7619142
>Drummond and Nassar
>Ok, I guess. Mirisola, Reinaldo Moraes and Lísias are good. The best we have today... not great, just good.
>Yes
My favourites are Mario Quintana, Luis Fernando Verissimo and maybe Machado de Assis
So is this book just the disconnected whinings of a failed author for a few hundred pages?
People love garbage around here man. There is nothing interesting about it.
Let me cover your reply:
>pleb
That's right, pleb-o. Now go back to reading structured novels where the protagonist will win in the end.
(Reading is also about pleasure, and the things Pessoa writes are a joy to read)
What's the matter? Too DEEP for you?
What does /lit/ think of HG Wells? I just read the Time Machine and thought it was pretty solid.
>G >E >N >R >E
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>>7634204
fuck off, I bet you haven't even read it
I liked it OP, but I liked War of the Worlds better. I finished that one very quickly and it was a tense read
H.G. Wells' histories and social thought are actually really fucking good
Deep thinker
What books do you recommend for forging a strong will or breaking through societies constructs in order to live a free life?
>>7633636
>breaking through societies constructs
do you even have to ask?
>>7633636
Stirner
NietzscheThe Bible
The Apology - Plato
Has anything good come out of the balkans? I know of Emil Cioran, but nobody else really.
...The Greeks?
is this b8?
>>7631590
Low quality b8, my friend. Badly meme'd.
1. Should I read Infinite Jest
2. Why
>>7619334
I find Infinite Jest too pessimistic to read actually.
Yes
Because
1. No
2. So you'll understand /lit/ memes