/hpg/ - Headphone General

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What is the second best headphone behind the Beyerdynamic T5p?

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>>61632668

DELIT DIS !

>whats the diffference between sen 580 and 600
>iems suck
>my chink dac that is cheaper than a pack of razorblades has a THD of by a few % is that why the bass sucks
>muh
>muh

stop shitting up /g/ with a gazillion of these threads

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

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>>61632668
Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

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>>61632697
smuganimegirl.jpg

>>61632750
HD580, followed by HD650.

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I'm converting 192kHz, 24-bit audio to 44.1 kHz, 16-bit audio to save space, there's nothing you can do to stop me and it won't create an audible change.

>>61633009
sorry i dont know what that all means so i dont really care

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Not enough porn in these threads.

I know this is not the stupid questions thread but, is a DAC worth it?

If yes, can anyone recommend me one that's less than $100??, even something around the $50 mark

>>61633225
https://hifimediy.com/sabre-dac-uae23

>>61633225
Are you experiencing hiss/static/difficulty driving headphones from your computer or phone?

>>61633009
>44.1 kHz, 16-bit audio
You picked the wrong target. 48KHz is the standard post cd-audio, and generally the default in computers.
Enjoy your re-resampling.

>>61633225
It really depends. My computer can drive my HD600s just fine, they don't need a DAC, but my laptop can barely drive them at all, and would benefit from a DAC, moreso from an AMP, but the signal is a bit noisy from the laptop too so a DAC+AMP would help a lot.

If your audio source can drive your current headphones so they are louder than you normally listen to them without distortion, and you can't hear any noise, then I don't think you need an amp+dac.

>>61633293
There won't be an audible difference.

>>61633336
>no audible difference
As long as your computer output is in 44.1KHz, else I do admire your faith on your OS's resampler.

>>61633225
Having one "known good" usb dac+amp is convenient, as you'd be able to get good sound from any computer, have something to compare with, and enjoy tweaking the volume knob.
As far as "need" it, that'd depend on whether your source does suck or not. Not all sources are blessed equally.

>>61633353
You really shouldn't talk about subjects you know nothing about.

>>61633396
>You really shouldn't talk about subjects you know nothing about.
Next you'll be telling us that all re-sampling algorithms do sound and perform the same.
Come on, enlighten us with your superior technical ability.

>>61633225
i don't hear a difference with or without a DAC from my computer, but I have a relatively new mobo (Z97).

it's just a DAC, there isn't anything expensive about it. Don't fall for silly snake-oil memes.

>>61633353
Foobar2000 Resampler-V plugin.

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>>61633604
Settings for a literally perfect impulse reponse for resampling to 48 kHz.
>Windows set to 48 kHz
>perfect upsampling in Foobar
>anime audio is always 48 kHz and doesn't need to be upsampled
Life is good.

>>61633375
>>61633328
>>61633257

I've owned the SMSL Sap-8 for a few days but ended up returning it to amazon, the thing is it was just an amp but I wasn't blown away by it.

Ordered a Creative ZX sound card after it

Currently I own the Phillips X2 and they are fairly easy to drive but I'm planning in getting the Sennheiser HD 650s and the Beyers DT 770 250 ohm.

BTW, the SAP-8 introduced a little bit of weird background noise that I've never heard before but the amplification was good.

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>>61633682
>DT 770
Treble rape. You'd do better with a Beyerdynamic Custom Studio, which lacks the treble rape.

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T h o u g h t s ?

>>61633682
>Sennheiser HD 650s
HD600 are better.

>>61633716
M40x are better.

>>61633749

t.poorfag

>>61633696
>>61633739

Heard the 650 were more bassy so that's my aim.

Really?, can u recommend another ideal headphones for hip hop?

>>61633716
>>61633749
both will break eventually

avoid fold-able headphones unless it's the V6 or MDR7506 because those are the only ones built like a brick afaik

Is the anon spamming Fidelio x2 legit cause I might pull the trigger over the 650 and the 880.

Already bought Modi/Magni 2 for my current 598cs

>>61633795
The Beyerdynamic Custom Studios should be great for hip hop. HD600 would make a better complement to the Custom Studios than the HD650. If you get the Custom Studios you'll have two bass-heavy headphones in them and the X2. Getting a third bass-heavy headphone in the HD650 would be silly. Getting a more neutral complement in the HD600 would make more sense.

>>61633802

Had mine for 3 years and no problems. Just don't be rough, and they're fine.

>>61633789
It's true. They're more accurate. M50x are bass cannons.

>>61633826
Thanks, that was a really helpful answer, about a DAC, what would you recommend me to compliment my Creative ZX sound card?, (they are yet to arrive)

>Budget
290
>Location
usa
>Source
Computer though if it needs an amp ill save up for that too
>Type of headphone
Full sized Over Ear
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Good
>Sound signature
IDK
>Past headphones
SHP9500

>>61633861
Your sound card is a DAC, all sound cards are.

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>tfw trying to do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIs7hK7LTbo

>>61633934
Can you describe the problem you're having? I have never had trouple swapping them out

>>61633861
If you end up needing an external amp just run the line-out of the soundcard to the amp. Your soundcard is a DAC, as has been stated.

>>61633934
Word I remember trying the bud kept folding in instead of sliding on.

>>61634026
Thanks anons, everyone that answered me, honestly.

>>61633876
HD600

>>61632668
I need your guys help my bluetooth Sony MDRZX330BT head set works perfectly on my android phone but with wincuck I can have either audio or the mic working no in betweens and I cant use my laptops built in one either for some reason

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>>61634185
Pic. of how its setup for audio

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>>61634185
>bluetooth headset
>bluetooth
>headset

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>>61634203
also the headset thing is in the recording tab

>>61633947

It's just annoying most of the time. Some easily slide in some need some forced behind it, and it drives me up the wall.

>>61634214
Fuck off I like it I blew out my ears while shooting I dont care about audio quality I could use burger king headset if I had to

how tough are RCA holes?

I tried forcing a plug in pretty tight before it dawned on me to just use pliers to bend the cheap six-sided jacket on the outside that was too tight.

i'm worried i might have dislodged the circuit board or something inside now. Is that even possible?

>>61634214

I got some free with a phone I bought and quite like them. Not having a cable is pretty convenient when you're out and about.

>>61633876

HD600

>>61633838

Bait

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>>61634667
It's objectively true.

>>61633682
>Phillips X2 -> HD650
Colored to... colored again?
Why not go for neutral (w/HD600) this time.

>>61634228
fold the tip back so you can see the inner circle that goes over the little lip, 10 times easier when you can actually see what's going on.

>>61634721
Judging from these graphs, the m50x looks easier to equalize.

Fulla 2 or E10K? For the first DAC+AMP.

>>61634721

All this proves in the 50s are better all-round.

>>61634854
I'm sorry that you can't read frequency response graphs.

>>61634827
Fulla 2

>>61634827
e10k, Fiio understands QC

>>61634721
the m40x measure much much better here why other than melanin would anyone pay more for m50x

>>61634854
t.Jamsharquel

>>61634930

Racist.

>>61634827
Fulla 2.
Overall much more useful device feature-wise. Higher spec'd too. And you can ignore the QC troll; These are made in the US by Schiit themselves, whereas e10k are made in some random factory in china.

>>61634749
uh, so hd 600 instead I guess

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>>61632668
HD 600s or he-400i?

>>61634749
>Bass to no bass

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I can't believe I got scammed into buying a fucking HD-600, it sounds like a fucking radio strapped against my ears

>>61635144
I'd rather a device made in China with QC than a device made in the USA with haphazard QC

>>61635233
You got meme'd hard, kiddo

I have denon ah-d600, there pretty good but wanna upgrade soon maybe in a year

>>61633802
>7506
i got those and they are strong as fuck
i drop them all the time and shit and nothing
the ear muffs are starting to fray but they are stock and its been 3 years

>>61633716
It's shit. Get the Akai Project 50x instead.

What's the HD600 of IEMs?
What's the HD600 of closed back headphones?

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>>61635233
I warned you about those snapheisers bro

Should have gotten the Beyers

>>61635233
Post proof.
>>61635215
HE-400i if you want horrible mids, QC issues and to be laughed at by hifiman "support".

>>61635215
>>61635607
And HD 600 if you want no bass, a narrow soundstage and chink shit plastic.

>Budget
150
>Location
usa
>Source
Computer
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Open or closed
>Comfort level
Very good
>Sound signature
dont care
>Past headphones
ATH-AD700

>>61635646
>And HD 600 if you want no bass, a narrow soundstage and chink shit plastic.
All of which false, and easily verifiable by the anon who's going to actually buy them.
Nice try.

>>61635658
Look into HD579.

>>61635342
>IEMs
ER4SR
>Closed
Idk, ask somewhere else

>>61635660
Nigga, Snapheiser meme aside, its soundstage is narrow as fuck despite being "accurate" and the bass just hits you like a wet noodle.

>>61635607
proof of what?

>>61635720
memephone ownership.

>>61635660
>Defending barely any bass
How much are you getting paid?

CB-1 or MDR-V6?

>>61635769
I havent heard either, but I think the consensus is the sony is clear, but sounds a bit thin compared to the CB-1

>>61635667
>HD579
Thanks. Looks like a good pair of headphones. Is there an alternative closed headphones you know of?

>listening to dr dre on dt 990

E A R R A P E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIR1s_rtFc0

>>61635839
Who are you talking to?

>>61635833
If you don't mind an extra serving of bass (although not nigger level like the hated HD598cs), I have HD380 Pro and they're pretty good. They cost about that much.
They're not anywhere as good as similarly priced open headphones, however. Closed is always a compromise in sound/price and comfort.

I recently pulled my headphones and bent the 3.5mm connector. Now my right cup does not work. Is there a way to cut the current 3.5mm connector and solder on a new one? Is there any tutorials for this?

>>61632750
Kill yourself poorfag.

Beyers will do this to your ears: http://knowledgeglue.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/5-rZXUXFw.jpg

>>61636050
Who are you speaking to?

Alright, I'm looking for some help. Right now I'm using an HD 600 and a schiit stack combo for my desktop. But! I need something for the gym as well. I've always had issues with in-ears falling out no matter what. Is there a pair of good sounding in-ears that also "latch" at the back of the ear?

tl;dr my ear is too damn big/small for in-ears and I need something that sounds good and won't slip out. >$200 please.

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What do you guys think of these (Sony h.ear mdr-1000abn)? I heard that they actually sound pretty good

>inb4 bluetooth

>>61636416
ZS5, the cable has memory wire that you can mold around your ear.

>>61636500
most people say they are good to very good but agree that are a bit overpriced if you only consider sound quality.

>>61636500
Really nice and extremely comfy, sound is very good, price is slightly steep but if you're fine with that go right ahead

>>61636574
Far too chinky, I've got roughly $200 to blow and I'd rather not settle for something that's like $10 off Ali Express.

>>61636416
Bumpity. I still need this answered, please!

The fuck? Sub bass is non existent in my hd598s. Even normie shit like royals by lorde that only goes down to 37hz seems to be too low?

How good are the JBL LSR305?
Choosing between them and the Alesis Elevate 6's. The Elevates look better spec wise and they're larger. What's the sound quality like between the two for everyday listening?

>>61632668
My headphone broke so yesterday when I was at the mall I purchased cheap earbuds. It was really cheap but I never regreted buying something so much.

This is unbelievably shitty. It's worse than the disposable earbuds some airlines have here. I did not know it was phisically possible to make such bad product.

tl;dr: DON'T EVER BUY TMV-BRANDED EARPHONES.

Should I rebuy phonak audeo 012? Had before but threw away lol. Expensive mistake.

What's gooooood my fellow african american descendents?

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>>61638055
Oh shit forgot the picture

>>61638066
NORMIE ALERT.

>>61636912
>I'd rather spend more money for no reason
get a load of this good goy greg

>>61638083
because of headphones, waifus or albums?

>>61638066
You're from /mu/ aren't you?

>>61635215
He-400i. Don't fall for the $300 dynamic driver meme. Get a better headphone that's easier to drive for cheaper. The people posting cherry picked graphs against it are Sennheiser shills.

>>61635839
No one, it's your typical shillheiser faggot fucking up the thread. Soon he'll just say "MUH HRTF," start posting studies he's never actually read before, and failing to understand the inverse relationship between ear sensitivity and target fqr in open back headphones.

>>61636912
Just get the zs5's. I own etymotic er4xr and heir audio 4ais and the zs5's are almost 90% of the sound of both those IEMs at 1/10th the price.

>>61637502
The lsr305s are flatter, have a waveguide which means the imaging will be better, better impulse response, and less thd.

The "basic" specs of the Alesis are better (they go lower) but everything about the lsr305s is better than. Those.

Are there any decent bluetooth waterproof headphones?

Like something I can use in the shower that wont get killed by the steam or hot water

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>>61635144
>made in the US

as if that even means anything nowadays

>Schiit not even bothering to do something so simple as cleaning off the flux
>falling for Schiit's marketing schemes

"""QC troll"""

>>61634233
sad storry ...
but you still post in these threads, i wonder why ?

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>this costs over $400 to over $500
>QC even worse than "Made in China"

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Are apple in-ear headphones any good, considering i can get them for a third of price?

>>61639006 >>61639075
But... does this affect the sound? Or matter in any way.

>>61638957
The problem is the sulphates in hygiene products would damage them even if waterproof.

>>61639268
literal dumbass super retard

>>61639299
So it doesn't. Thought so.

>>61638957
Can't you just sing in the shower like normal people.

>>61639312

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What do you think off these?

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>>61634214

There's literally nothing wrong with wireless earphones or headphones. Most last well over 8-10 hours, and for myself personally I always carry a little portable charger for my phone and pic related anyway, and I've honestly never really needed them during an outing unless it was overnight.

>>61634902

probably for the bass and because a lot of people think newer always means better

>>61639399
They're TrustyFucks, you silly goose.

>>61639399
They're the best $50 headphones available

just got my new beyer replacements
hope these ones don't snap haha

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>Budget
$150-$200
>Location
Canada
>Source
Bluetooth Cell Phone/iPod Touch
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
High
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Audio-Technica ATH-M50
Massdrop x Fostex TH-X00
Etymotic Research HF5
Shure SE215-K

Looking for something to pair with my phone and new iPod model, please give me suggestions as the top results on Amazon are shite.

>>61639268
>Schiit caught cutting corners on production of their products for increased profit margins, with far higher price tags than they should be
>"Does this matter?"

>>61636500
If you can get it for a good price, go ahead. I've read good things.

They're prohibitively expensive up here, so I forgot about them, but I wouldn't mind owning a pair.

>>61639554
>cutting corners
First, you'd have to prove that the user will ever notice any difference. Such as sound or reliability issues. Else, it's simply clever.
>to increase their margins
>higher price than it should be
No, they should of course price it at cost. Or, what the fuck, just sell it at a loss.

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Which do all of you prefer, tube or solid state amps?

>>61639533
Kz ks5

>>61639632
Solid state 90% of the time. Tube only if you absolutely want it and you're not buying a fake tube amp like the one in the picture. That tube amp doesn't use its tube in the pre or output stages.

>>61639092
I've heard they're surprisingly decent.

>>61639701
Those do not appear to be available on their official site. Where can you even buy them?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SoundMAGIC-E50-Ear-Isolating-Earphones/dp/B00UVASGIM

Thoughts?

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>Budget
300€
>Location
France
>Source
FiiO X5 III
>Type of headphones
Gonna use outside in /n/
>Comfort level
The very best
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Parrot Zik 2.0, HD600s

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>>61639587
Does this look like $150 worth of components to you? Even $100? That's wishful thinking to believe they'd be taking a loss on it otherwise.

>it's simply clever.
You're joking. You think it's clever not to clean off the flux like any self-respecting electrical engineer would?

>>61640002
eBay, alexixpress, places like that.

They are below your price point but they sound way better than they should cost.

>>61640157
Thanks, I will probably end up buying them.

>>61640157
Sorry but did you mean to type KZ ZS5 instead of KZ KS5 ?

>>61639404

Those are great. Was gifted a pair earlier in the year and I love them.

>>61640229
Yeah mbad, typo it's the zs5

>>61640229
Who are you talking to?

>>61640229
>>61640336
Oh, nevermind, it's probably just that tripfag idiot I filtered the other day

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>>61640330
>>61640354
I asked for Bluetooth headphones though, thanks for trying anyways.

>>61640231

They're pretty good. I got them for $70 so I can't complain. Decent sound quality and bass for those who care for bass.

>>61639724

a vacuum gap solid state

> he is deadly serious

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>>61640368

Maybe try google to avoid the retarded tripfag.

>>61640368
My bad, either way you could buy a Bluetooth receiver cable for those and be good to go.

Also ignore the faggot calling me retarded, he's buttmad that he can't read.

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Just ordered a pair of these, did I get memed?
>inb4 dude vapprwave lmao

>>61640774
Nah portapros are still a solid choice. On ears are good for people who can't do is but don't wanna look autistic in public with full sized cans.

>>61633805

Seconded

>>61640038
I have soundmagic e10s and they're great
Wire is kinda short though, if you're plugging into anything but a phone it might be too short

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Looking for a new headphones to throw into the mix. I'm thinking hd579 or ety hf5. I listen to trance with mostly female vocalists. I could also sell all my shit and get the thx00 which is my dream headphone but that's scary

>>61641203
Save up for something better.

>>61641203
what's the difference between that and the SMSL m3? thinking of getting the m3 for my dt990s but i don't know much about amps

>>61641267
SMSL M3 is a piece of shit. Don't. If that's your budget, get either the Monoprice Desktop Amp or DAC-X6.

>>61641306
everyone says it's good though. what's wrong with it apart from the volume knob? A lot of people say they go well with the 990s

>>61641306
also the dac x6 is dispatched from china which is making me not want it

>>61641267
Dac X6 has more power i believe and more inputs. It's ideal for the 990 only the x6 micca origen magni and fiioq1 have enough power for the 990 most amps can't do it and they make the headphones sound like shit. The treble becomes physically painful with the 990 on that dragonfly but they sound incredible on the x6, get goosebumps from songs all the time

>>61641383
You can get 2 day shipping for it on Amazon

>>61641429
I'm in the UK so it'll take 2 weeks to even get to this country, shipping from China so it'll probably break on the way here

>>61641383
Get it on Amazon, same price with domestic shipping and free 2 day. Got mine there a few days ago. Fucking love it

>>61641445
You also might have to pay for it to get through customs and pay 20% more

>>61641414
I meant the only amps under $100

>>61641514
on amazon it says it costs 60 bongs, does not mention anymore delivery rates. I'll pull the trigger on it tomorrow, my dt990s will arrive tomorrow as i bought them around 20 mins ago but it'll sound like shit for 25 days, this might also put me off the headphones. I dunno rlly might order them near to the arrival date of the x6

>>61641559
If it gets caught they hold your item for like 2-3 weeks and you'll have to pay VAT, you're supposed to pay VAT on it at Chinese customs but they "usually" pass through if they don't check your item

>>61641713
for fuck's sake, i just wanted to get rid of my gaymur headset and replace it with something cooler and now i have to wait upwards a month to enjoy it

>>61641738
You can use it with your on-board audio for a while. It's not going to sound like shit.

>>61641738
I doubt you'll even need one honestly, if you're plugging headphones into a gaming pc like you say they'll be absolutely fine

Unless you have some kind of audio problems like buzzing I don't see why you'd need one for any kind of PC from the past 10 years

>>61641866
true, or i could order them on delayed shipping to get free shit off amazon

>>61641903
it's an ASUS Maximus vii Ranger mobo and i don't think it will actually be able to power them up to 250ohms

Have anyone here done wireless modifications for their headphones?
I've ordered
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Bluetooth-Stereo-Audio-Module-Transmission-BK8000L-AT-Commands-SPP-Bluetooth-Speaker-Amplifier-DIY/32715411019.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.loAl0f
Which claims to draw ≤45mA.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-USB-Bluetooth-V-4-0-Dual-Mode-Sem-Fio-Adaptador-Dongle-Bluetooth-CSR-4-0/32704906488.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.loAl0f
So which I might be able to pair to.
http://www.dx.com/p/1a-lithium-battery-charging-module-blue-205188#.WX4GsFUjFhE
Should let me charge
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-7V-720mAh-25C-Lipo-Battery-Spare-Part-for-Syma-X5-X5C-H5C-X5SC-X5A-RC/32513708248.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.INmtwU

But I'm very new to all this. Would appreciate any corrections/tips.

>>61641940
I can power my 250ohms on my phone and it's a shitty old one, on my PC I can't even turn the volume past 30 because it hurts my ears it's so loud and sounds perfect.

You'll be fine really

>>61641940
Sounds like the on-board audio is actually relatively good on it.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VII_RANGER/

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>>61641559
Seriously not a paid shill but I haven't been so happy with a purchase in a while. Could go on forever about how good it is and it sounds great with the 990(I've used them on 4 amps so far) plus it's gorgeous. Great finish, nice switches and the knob is nice too.

>>61642136
>>61642076
>>61642055


Thank you for all of the informative replies, this has been really helpful and makes me love this board even more. The plan is to get the dt 990s and use them, if they sound good i'll keep them and but the amp as well if i desire a bit more, hopefully they'll sound good enough that i'm happy to wait. Either way it's a win win i guess.

Again thank you for the help! i'm looking forward to trying these cans out tomorrow or tuesday

>>61632750
hd580

>>61642203
>if they sound good
They won't. Enjoy your ear rape.

>>61642136
Have one as well. It's pretty great.

>>61641940
I have the same board and it works with the 990 but sounds kind of dull. Like it's struggling to push it. They sound way better on my amp

>>61642293
yes because hundreds of people would buy 130+ headphones and leave 5 star reviews because they are obviously so bad

i hate shills on both sides and it's just pathetic, let people enjoy what they buy.

>>61642136
how do you connect a DAC to the computer and what does it do? noob here.

>>61642506
Either through USB or the optical/toslink input on your motherboard. Every device that plays digital audio files has one, it takes the digitized music file and converts it to an analog file for your equipment to play.

It's only worth getting if you have EMI, static, or a high noise floor from the one on your computers headphone/3.5mm Jacks

>Budget:
1000 SEK / 105 EUR / 125 USD, can flex a little as this is a gift.
>Location
Sweden.
>Source
Built-in motherboard audio.
>Type of headphone
Any.
>Open or closed
Probably open, given that the recipient has ear problems that are worsened by earbuds or closed headphones.
>Comfort level
Comfortable. To be worn extensively for long periods of time.
>Sound signature
Whatever. He's not an audiophile. I'd imagine most people who aren't would appreciate a more bassy profile.
>Past headphones
Steelseries Siberia and similar crap. I've converted him to lapel mics since.

>>61642472
>he doesn't think paid reviews on Amazon are a thing

>>61639399
For $50 and below, They're probably the best.
>>61640368
>Bluetooth
>ZS5
KZ makes a bluetooth cable that works on their ZS3/ZST/ZS5 models.
>>61643495
558

Are the ATH-M50X as good as people say?

>>61644227
No, unless your name is Tyquoterious. ATH-M40x are better.

>>61644227
The status audio Cb-1s sound much better and they're half/ 1/3rd the price with a 15% discount from their site.

>>61644539
Funnily enough I've got the CB-1's. Some anon from last thread recommended them and have been enjoying them so far. Are they really better then ATH-M50x?

>>61644227
They're nice and bassy. I don't know what people are saying about them nowadays.

>>61643548
They go for like at least 50 % more than our budget...

>>61643672
hey anon wanna kiss?

I'm asking again, cause last time didn't get satisfactory answer. I'm looking for wireless headphones (not BT receiver). I know everyone glorifies Bose QuietComfort 35, but I can't convince myself to spend 340$ for headphones yet.

>Budget
Lets say 200$

>Location
Doesn't really matter

>Source
Smartphone

>Type of headphone
Full-sized, preferably closed, preferably big enough to contain my somewhat big earlobes.

>Comfort level
I sometimes wear headphones good few hours a day, so comfort is pretty important.

>Sound signature
Neutral or little bassy.

>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD 438, I liked their comfort, but headband got a little bit too loose after few years

Might not be the right place for this but does anyone know any decent 2.1 channel speakers under $120? Every decently reviewed one seems to have problems out the ass.

>>61644731
PS.
Are any JBLs worth considering?

>>61644588
I'd say so, at least after listening to my friends m50s. He said the same thing too.

>>61644751
If you're talking about the synchros, they aren't terrible sounding. Acceptable is a better word.

>>61635660
Narrow soundstage is a fact though, have tested tons of headphones, imaging on HD600 is fine, bit the stage os pretty small, almost closed-back small.

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>>61633805
Do it.

>>61644899
What do you think to be the best headphones under 100, 200 and 300 bucks respectively?

I ended up getting some 25 year old speakers for free, and they work fine, but the foam around the woofers are all gone, and the speakers themselves sound horrible.

Would adding new foam make them sound a lot better? Or should I just assume the speakers themselves are trash and not worth fixing.

>>61645040
SHP9500S, HD579, HD600
The tripfag you're asking has repeatedly demonstrated that he doesn't know fucking shit about headphones; you should pay him little heed.

>>61645040
Are we talking bluetooth/wireless only or in general?

>>61645221
>The same angry autistic shillheiser fan keeps talking shit because he has nothing else better to do
>Complains that I'm shitposting
>Actively shitposts trying to berate me

>>61645094
Depends on the make and model, do you have pictures?

Refoaming kits are available for desirable vintage stuff, but they could also need fixes to the crossover.

Have you guys ever heard of the Edifier H850? Just found out about these and they seem to measure very well for the price, what do you guys think?

http://en.goldenears.net/14836

the alcantara earpads on the SRH1540 are heavenly. The foam is so puffy soft, i thought memory foam would be firmer.

how can they be so comfortable if they're on the smaller size of "full-size" headphones and my ears lobes still touch the edges?

Why doesn't Shure just sell these headphones without the excessive accessories? Easily a best contender if it was a lower price than $500, sound aside.

>>61645221
I'm just curious about you guys opinions, it's 4chan after all, everyone is shitposting untill proven otherwise, will check those out later, thanks.
>>61645362
In general.

>>61645555
$0-100
>Sony mdr-v6
>Phillips shp9500s
>Kz zs3 and zs5 for earbuds
>Status audio cb-1
>Hifiman he-350
>Status audio ob-1
$100-200
>Audio Technica msr7 (these are sleepers, they're absolutely amazing at any price)
>Audio Technica ad900x
>Beyerdynamic custom one pro (mobile) or studio (higher impedence)
>Beyerdynamic dt880
>Sennheiser hd25-1 II
$200-300
>Hifiman he-400i
>Audio Technica ad-1000x
>Monoprice m-1060 (audeze for a fraction of the cost)

>>61645436
The model number is: Acoustic Research Partner 850 Studio.
Googling around didn't really help, aside from auctions where they're being sold from anywhere between $50-$300.

The crossovers seem to work fine. I'm not sure how to test it in depth, but the woofers and tweeters seem to get the right frequencies fed to them.

I can't get pics right now, but a couple other things to note are:
There's no port holes for the woofers.
No waveguides for the tweeters.
The case itself and insulation all look fine.

>>61638386
>the inverse relationship between ear sensitivity and target fqr in open back headphones.
You still have not provided evidence from a credible source to back up this obviously false claim. Meanwhile, multiple anons have provided evidence from credible sources proving your claim wrong.

>>61645762
So those are speakers from after the era in which acoustic research was a reputable brand (when Roy Allison was still involved) but from what I can tell they seem to be competent in design and probably need a little love (a refoaming).

I'd get a kit, they're usually $20-30, watch a YouTube video on how to do it (it isn't hard, only tools you need are a screwdriver and a razor blade) and when it's done you should have better sound. I have a weird feeling they sound like shit because they use acoustic suspension as a bass loading principle, which requires a perfect seal that isn't happening because of the rotted foam. The voice coils are rubbing too.

Waveguides and ports aren't necessary for a speaker to sound good, but they absolutely help lower end stuff and waveguides in particular are a fairly recent technology that improves the off axis of cheaper tweeters. After a refoaming they would absolutely sound better.

>>61645755
>mdr-v6
Treble cannons.
>Hifiman anything
Shit build quality and shittier customer service.
>OB-1
No treble and no bass. Absolutely no reason to buy this over a SHP9500S.
>AD900X
No bass and only good for large heads.
>DT880
Treble rape.
>HD25
V-shaped garbage.
>AD-1000X
See: AD900x
>Monoprice anything
Will break within months. Also, ringing: the headphone.
Unsurprisingly terrible list from a known shitposter.

>>61645807
I've proven you wrong multiple times. Don't you have something better to do then shit the thread up? Maybe you can learn to read in the time you spend shitposting

>>61645449
Frequency response looks pretty muddy. Poor bass extension for closed headphones and a ton of midbass. Bass will be one-note instead of tight.

>>61645910
You have not provided evidence from a credible source to back up your claim. If you feel you have, link to it.

>>61606037
One more bump.

>>61645910
You have claimed that accurate headphone raw response at the eardrum should not contain a large ~3kHz peak. You have been repeatedly shown that your claim is false; raw eardrum measurements of accurate headphones will demonstrate a large ~3kHz peak:
https://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2010/05/headphone-equalization.html
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/headphone-measurements-explained-frequency-response-part-one
http://hauptmikrofon.de/theile/1986-3_Standardization-of-studio-headphones_JAES-1986.pdf explains why diffuse field equalization is ideal for headphones
http://vbn.aau.dk/files/227876689/2008_Hammersh_i_and_M_ller_AAA.pdf demonstrates the large ~3kHz peak obtained by measuring accurate speakers in a diffuse field at the eardrum
You are flat out wrong and your continued insistence on repeating your disproven claims only serves to further destroy your own credibility.

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>>61644227
Get the Akai Project 50x instead.

Sounds better than my original M50 and it only cost 17 bucks. It's a clone of the ISK MDH9000 which goes for around 50 bucks. There's other clones of it but the cheapest are the Akai's.

It comes with worse ear pads but you can get the original ear pads.

Just look up the Lyxpro has 30 pads.

The default pads aren't terrible but the other pads are much better

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>>61646274
Heh, DT880 had no mids and ear-raping treble in 1986 and still has no mids and ear-raping treble.

>>61646489
>1986
For how old many of the headphones are out there, I'm surprised we don't differentiate headphones by year (or at least generation) like cars. We do know that they have changed significantly in some cases, like the AKG K7xx series, what with AKG closing down in Austria entirely by this point.

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>>61645755
Hifiman he-350 are horrid, shit build quality, shit bass and sibilant highs, Philips are much better.
>Monoprice m-1060 (audeze for a fraction of the cost)
You never tried audeze I see, m 1060 have several QC issues, altho they should have fixed it by now, shit pads that need to be replaced and some real ortho wall. The fact that you listed them along with he-400i colours you as a shitposter that barely tried any headphones.

is there a real benefit from high impedance headphones over low impedance ones?, what about models that have both versions available like some beyerdynamics?

seems a bit memestic for me

>>61646699
High impedance headphones are good for high output impedance sources and/or stupidly powerful/loud studio sources with volume knobs that would be far too sensitive with low impedance headphones.

>>61646699
Totally dependent on source and output impedence of that source.

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>>61646489
>No mid
Nigga, what?

>>61647336
Correct. No mids. I'm sorry you can't read frequency response graphs.

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>>61647355
Then please, teach me. For example, how would I read pic related?

>>61647405
>A headphone should have a 3khz spike
>The spike isn't there and shows an inverse relationship to hrtf

:^) shillheisers confirmed for no consistent argument and being unable to read.

>>61647405
You see that hump around 200hz? That's niggerbass. And that dip around 3K? Nomids. And that spike right after? Ear rape treble. Beyerdynamic is truly shit. Hey wait a minute

DELET THIS

>>61647405
That's a very old measurement, probably of an older model not representative of current HD600. Headphone.com/Headroom has a newer HD600 measurement which doesn't look like that.
>>61647498
>A headphone should have a 3khz spike
On a raw, uncompensated measurement. The measurement you are replying to is a compensated, non-raw measurement.

>>61647561
>graphs that don't fit my personal biases are clearly just old and/or non representative
The absolute state of sennshills

>>61647561
>HD 600s only recently got decent
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>61647619

>>61647652
>It's literally just a different color

:^)

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>2014
I-is this good, l-lads?

>>61640060
>Does this look like $150 worth of components to you? Even $100?
Sure, the people who make the PCB (in the US), those that make the metal case (in the US) and those that assemble and test the thing (in the US) do not need to be paid.
>any self respecting electrical engineer...
Are you really just complaining about cosmetics that you're not supposed to see, as they're inside the case, or are there actual issues with it?

>>61647697
>melanin-enriched Harman target compensated graph
Into the trash it goes.

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What is the second best-measuring full-sized headphone in the world behind the HD600?

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>>61647763
>No 3khz spike for muh hrtf meme

Into the trash it goes :^)

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>>61647763
Something with a bit more bass than pic related could do some justice to the ears.

>>61642804
>Either through USB or the optical/toslink input on your motherboard.
I'm sure you meant output.
>it takes the digitized music file and converts it to an analog file
Does it really take a *file* as input? What is this analog FILE output thing? I'm sure you meant data, stream or digital signal for the input, and analog signal for the output.
>tripfag posting drunk

>>61647809
Don't bring up bass. It'll anger them.

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>>61647788
There should be a 3kHz spike on raw measurements. There should not on compensated measurements. You are replying to a compensated measurement. You continue to demonstrate either genuine or, most likely, feigned ignorance.
>>61647809
Properly sealed HD600 measurements demonstrate a consistent pattern of 30 Hz response being even with 1 kHz response and 20 Hz response being -2.5 dB. This is excellent bass extension for an open dynamic and, as a result of this well-established pattern, measurements demonstrating less bass response can be safely assumed to be poorly-sealed measurements.

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>>61647869
Come one, anon. We don't even need to spew cherry picked frequency response graphs to know that the HD 600 has barely any bass. Fuck, you only need to listen to the damn thing to know that.

>>61647821
0,1s go in and music comes out you can't explain that.

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>>61647899
HD600's bass is close to perfect, unlike the melanin-enriched DT990, which also has ear-raping treble.

>>61644731
>Neutral or little bassy.
Sennheiser HD380 Pro
>>61644749
Too cheap for 2.1, that's why. At those budgets, get headphones instead.
>>61647336 >>61647405
They're Frequency Response, but one is compensated and the other one is not.
>>61647697 >>61647847
Bad graph. Compensated. Bass shows measurement done in a clearly poorly sealed setup. Go to >>61647869

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>>61647976
Who mentioned anything about the DT 990? That shit's v-shaped as fuck compared to the HD 600, but that doesn't stop the 600's bass from hitting your ear like a gust of... nothing.
>Close to perfect
See pic related.

>>61648019
Now see
>>61647899

>>61648023
>Literally no bass!
Unlike niggerbass heads, measurements do not lie. >>61647869

>>61647763
That's a very old measurement, probably of an older model not representative of current HD600. Headphone.com/Headroom has a newer HD600 measurement which doesn't look like that.

>>61648023
>dude bass lmao
how much of a bigger are you

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>>61648023
>mfw Darfericious tries to discuss headphones' bass response

>>61648040
>Measurements do not lie
>Anon doesn't have the resources to compare different headphones
Didn't one of you shills call the HD650s niggerbass headphones?

>>61647869
Properly positioned HD600 measurements demonstrate a consistent pattern of 30 Hz response being far lower than 1 kHz response and 20 Hz response being -6.5 dB. This is awful bass extension, even for an open dynamic and, as a result of this well-established pattern, measurements demonstrating more bass response can be safely assumed to be poorly-positioned measurements.

>>61647976
>Compares 300$ headphones to much cheaper options as if that was impressive
>Ignored much closer to perfect DT880 Bass and pretends HD treble is not wonky shit.

>>61647561
>>61648054

>Being in such an autistic rage over a graph that doesn't fit your narrative that you repeat yourself.

>>61648054
Headroom's HD600 measurement is poorly sealed, but its midrange and treble response are in agreement with GE's measurement. It shows slightly rolled off treble. Headroom uses diffuse field compensation and GE's HD600 measurement used diffuse field compensation with slightly rolled off treble.

>>61648068
Satania a cute. A cute!!

What sort of earphone/headphone type would you recommend to use while working out and wearing glasses? Overears squidge against my glasses' frame causing discomfort, wired earphones get caught during exercises and are pulled out. Some sort of wire-free earphone style that's reliable in terms of staying in the ear, without interfering with glasses?

>>61648040
>measurements do not lie
>Except for the ones that don't agree with me, those are bad measurements

>>61648146
I've never had a problem at the gym with wired headphones when I clip them to my collar and run the cable under my shirt. Wireless headphones are a compromise in sound quality and price.

>>61648118
>Poorly sealed
Man, if I had a dollar for every comment regarding a "poorly sealed" HD 600 on /hpg/...

>>61648147
>Except for the ones that don't agree with me, those are bad measurements
That's not what they are doing. There's plenty of measurements of HD600. The bad ones are cherrypicked by the nobass troll, and are very obviously bad (e.g.: poor sealing as clearly shown in the bass). Go to >>61647869

>>61648146
Any wireless headphone with good sound quality (MDR1000X or QC35) are going to be expensive and too bulky for gym use. A KSC75 modded with Bluetooth would be your only real option. Or just tuck the cable into your shirt.

>>61648146
Have you ever tried IEMs with ear hooks?

>>61648189
If I had a dollar for every time a shitposter intentionally and knowingly posted a poorly sealed measurement for trolling value...

>>61648189
The
>literally no bass!!
troll shitposts that often.

I admire the diligence of those correcting them.

>>61648194
>The bad ones are cherrypicked by the nobass troll, and are very obviously bad (e.g.: poor sealing as clearly shown in the bass).
That's not what they are doing. There's plenty of measurements of HD600. The good ones are cherrypicked by the sennheiser shill, and are very obviously bad (e.g.: poor positioning as clearly shown in the bass). Go to >>61647809

>>61648146
KZ ZS5 with KZ Bluetooth Cable

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>>61648202
>>61648213
>Poorly sealed
>Barely any bass, no graphs needed
Nigga, you only need to listen to the damn headphones, but I guess they need to stay as perfect headphones with no flaws.

>>61648184
>>61648198

Yeah think I just need to get a decent phone holder rather than it bouncing in my pocket

>>61648200

No, as in the ones that hook into the outer ear rather than the over ear loops? Do they work?

I'm getting HD 600s and I'm looking for a DAC+Amp combo, can someone please help me out? Thanks guys. :)
>Budget
250 CAD / 200 USD
>Location
Canada

>>61648253
But I'm wearing them, and listening to EDM.
>literally no bass!!
You can continue to believe that if you wanna. Or just EQ more bass, if you like it niggerbass.

>>61648263
Just run them off your motherboard audio. You can't tell the difference with low fidelity headphones like the 600 anyways.

>>61648263
Get a Fulla 2 and nothing else at first. If and only if you desire more volume after trying them out with the Fulla 2, get a Magni 2 and use the Fulla 2 just as a DAC.

>>61648263
>I'm getting HD 600s
Good decision. You're getting the highest fidelity full sized headphones available. Enjoy never upgrade status.

>>61648262
Oh absolutely. Makes for a good anchor and a better seal.

Kz zs5 and the Bluetooth cable <3 or try it with the regular one and see if you need it (fellow glassesfag here)

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>>61648253
>his hearing loss is this far advanced

>comparing headphone measurements from different sources instead of comparing measurements of a headphone you heard to the other ones from same source.

You talk so much on lots of stuff but fail at even the most basic thing, even head fi is better than this shithole.

>>61648291
>Never upgrade status
Anon, you don't need to shill, anon's already paid for the headphones...

What's a good in-ear with warm, clear mids, for about £100? I listen to a lot of Joni/ Nick Drake.

>>61648294
>fellow glassesfag here
I think you were right, >>61627962

>>61648263
>$200 usd
That's too high when compared to headphone price (around $270 last I looked), for something you might not even need.
If you still really, really want a dac+amp, Fulla2 for $99 would be clever, and would give you higher volume, a nice physical knob and peace of mind whether there's any issue with your motherboard's output.
It is enough for the HD600 unless you like it really really loud, in which case you can just connect a Magni2 ($99) to the dac output. A popular setup around /hpg/.

>>61648306
Measurements aren't subject to confirmation bias, post purchase rationalization, etc. I trust measurements more than my own ears and you should too.

>>61640774
I want a pair just for the colour

>>61648339
Just not the ones that disagree with your biases right? Oh I'm sorry, I meant "poorly sealed" measurements.

>>61648305
>>61648275
>Any more bass than my "perfect headphones" is nigger bass
Do you know how I know you're faggots? Now, which of you sad Sennshill did this to your own kind?
>>61590376

>>61648317
When the shillheiser group is so autistically buttmad that they make false accusations of me being this other plebspotter.

Whatever helps you sleep at night with the no bass and wonky highs of your chink plastic headphones.

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>>61648358
Damn you're ugly bro.

>>61643672
Kuma-san is a top tier waifu.

>>61648306
Sources that aren't flawed (high noise floor, excessive output impedance, not flat, ...) do all sound the same.

>>61648291
Thanks for the encouragement, I used to have ATH-M50s and liked them a lot, but family member lost them, so I figured if I'm buying another pair I might as well go big or go home. Have you ever tried ATH-M50s? Or how would you compare them to the 600s?

>>61648277
>>61648337
Thank you guys, I don't really need an expensive DAC+Amp, just needed something that will make me not have to worry about my motherboard as you say. Cheers!

>>61648373
Come on, dude. /spg/ makes better comebacks than this shit.

>>61648399
>how would you compare them to the 600s?
Much bassier/muddier and less accurate.

>>61648357
>Senniggers turn on their own kind
Name me a sadder group of shills

>>61648399
E10K is a good option as well for a starter DAC/amp, most cases you won't need anything stronger anyways.

>>61648494 new thread

>>61648373
>You have absolutely no idea what I look like

:^)

>>61648339
Measurements done on different rigs are not comparable with each other because of different seal, hardware and compensation curves. You need to compare measurements from the same source to have any form of consistency.
>I trust measurements more than my own ears and you should too.
Everyone has different ears, there is even a difference between 2 of our ears, on a hearing check I was told that ear canal in my left ear is smaller compared to the right one, that will influence the sound.

You are just another self proclaimed 'objectivist' who is as retarded as magical plebes audiophiles and fall under same confirmation bias as the rest. Try watching these to educate yourself a little bit.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNEI3qLZEKo&t=554s
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDRHFNfFCFU&t=882s

>>61648542
>You need to compare measurements from the same source to have any form of consistency.
One who is aware of two different websites' compensation curves and who has seen enough measurements from both websites can effectively compare measurements between said two websites.

>>61648563
>and who has seen enough measurements from both websites
This isn't going to be precise if you do it on the fly and in your brain so the factor of an error and deviations will fall under the same conformation bias. I highly doubt that any of the hpg users is autistic enough to account for all the differences in different sources measurements to consistently keep the track of them while comparing, this is going to be "so I think it should be somewhere here" tier. This is the reason why Tyll uses old compensation curves and an old rig even despite the fact that he himself taking with harman derived a newer compensation curve and admired that his distortion measurements due to his rig are not fully perfect, but he doesn't change them for the sake of consistency. Just your old objectivist tale, if I use numerical data I am always right.

>>61648819
>I highly doubt that any of the hpg users is autistic enough to account for all the differences in different sources measurements to consistently keep the track of them while comparing
I'm autistic enough to compare between Headroom, InnerFidelity and Goldenears.

>>61648881
Can you account for all seals differences, pad bounces, HF discrepancies, that are variable even if you average response on the same set up, all the artifacts, difference in time signals and etc? You will still have a degree of an error or variability unless you do a methodic graphical and numerical comparison and even then there will be a degree of variability because you will do all of those assumptions based on the averaged of a compared graphs. This is it, assumption, nothing more, an educated guess but not an ultimate truth that also doesn't take into the account our own ears.

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>>61649067
>our own ears
>trusting human hearing over measurements

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Shitty music taste here, what should i listen to?

>>61649660
>op-amps
>asking about /mu/ instead of headphones

>>61648291
enjoy mids and mids only

>>61649526
>trusting graphs blindly
>when they are applied to the variable parameters different from person to person being our own ears
It was retarded and it was an objectivist tire.

>>61650233
>when they are applied to the variable parameters different from person to person being our own ears
Harman did study this human preference thing. The harman target is the result.
FR will tell you how close a headphone is to that target.

>>61650252
>Harman did study this human preference thing. The harman target is the result.
Even in their own study they had people adjusting bass and treble to their taste different to each other, only midrange was consistent.
Stupid objectivists want to quantify everything missing out the details in the process since they can't compute anything complex or nuanced.

>>61650334
Subjectivists will defend magical pebbles.

>>61650487
Objectivist will blindly follow measurements as a single truth without understanding them properly.

>>61650570
>without understanding them properly.
That's mostly a subjectivist thing but sure, there's always going to be a moron or two.