/hpg/ - Headphone General

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I prefer on-ear.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

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>>61583061
What if I do also enjoy edm and the occasional Kanye track?

Recently, I've been getting super into Yunomi's stuff. Will I still enjoy it?

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I fucking love my HD600s, the lack of treble and bass is perfect. After all anything above 3Khz is ear rape and anything below 200hz is for niggers.

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Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>61583971
ER-4XR are the extremely accurate ER-4SR with a bit of extra bass.

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>>61584031
And a $400 pricetag, unfortunately.

Someday, anon, someday.

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>>61583904
H-hey, c-can I join in the spam too?

>>61584113
Tree fitty actually.

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>>61584203
C A D

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>>61584251
>bags of homo milk

What's the best way to power both headphones and speakers at the same time?

I'm using an AV receiver right now but I hate how I need to have a "ghost" monitor in order to use it properly due to the HDMI input it needs. Are there any good USB headphone/speaker amps?

>>61584292
Bags are better. It's like, reloading the milk. Also more efficient in every way.

>>61584165
I prefer this over his spam. Please post more because yours is actually true.

>>61583904
HD580

>>61584165
Such TrustyFucks. You'd have to be a silly goose to hate on them.

So I read a bunch of reviews that say DT990 has really forward mids.

>>61584561
Only if you ignore the ear-piercing highs.

>>61584586
I have DT860 now, can't really get much more treble.

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poor little nobass hd600s can't compete

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When your Bluetooth headset stops being discovered (can't pair), what are the chances it fixes itself later? It's my first BT headset and my phone and computer just can find it, no matter how many tries I've tried to pair it again.

pic is my headset

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>>61584561
Those reviews are objectively wrong. DT990 has no mids. Too much bass, way too much treble, no mids.

>>61584561
Let us know what reviewers said this so we know never to take them seriously.

>>61584759
KZ ZS5 with KZ Bluetooth cable. 3-5 jour battery just werks.

Modi 2 Uber + Magni 2 Uber VS O2 Odac

>>61584967
fulla2

God, the Matrix M-Stage is such a good fucking amp for the price. I got mine for $200 and it gets pretty close to the thousand dollar amps I've heard.

If you enjoy a slightly sweet/warm sound, absolutely get these. They pair extremely well with bright headphones.

>>61585320
Audiophool alert.

>>61585359
Okay then, keep enjoying your mediocre Schiit stack that costs the same amount of money.

I didn't know enjoying a good deal was reserved for audiophiles.

>>61585397
Who said anything about a shit stack, you audiophool?

>>61585413
It's by far the most common combo used here.

>audiophool!!
>you audiophool!
>how dare you pay $200 for an amp/DAC combo!
>audiophool!!
lol. You people are demented.

what in-ear headphones do i get if i love the sound of HD 598's? will use them mostly with phone and netbook

>>61585320
>If you enjoy a slightly sweet/warm sound
So what you're saying is it's fucking shit because it doesn't accurately reproduce an audio signal.

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>>61584304
I think I found the answer to my own question.

I want an amp where when my headphones aren't plugged in audio outputs through my speakers. Looking at the Magni 2, they have TLR audio outputs. Does that mean by connecting them to two active speakers that I can accomplish what I want to do? One of you guys must have a setup like this. Does it work fine?

>>61585508
There is a slight distortion to the sound. But many people enjoy this.

It's like how some people like to add sugar to everything they eat, even though you might think it's fucking gross.

>Some say you don't need an amp/DAC
>Others say you need a amp/DAC for 200$ each
why is this such a circlejerk?

>>61585546
Because everyone is biased and stupid, to either extreme.

I don't think anyone needs a $5000 amp or special pressure treated cables. But amps in particular offer different levels of power, and most of them color the sound to some degree. Listen for yourself and find out what's empirically true.

By the way, $200 each for an amp/DAC is sadly not that much.

What is the most technologically advanced headphones, that rely on technology developed in the last 10 or so years?

>>61585540
Right. So it's shit. Thanks for letting us know that we shouldn't buy it since it can't accurately reproduce an audio signal.

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How do i clean these earpads?
I can't put them in water because i am afraid the glue will dissolve.

>>61585673
Sure, if that's what you like.

>>61585430
Because it is inexpensive, accurate and powerful enough for most headphones out there, you moron.

>>61585731
What other amps have you even tried? I'd bet money on 'not very many'. The Magni/Modi is not accurate, not any more than most amps in its price range of $200.

You seem very arrogant despite clearly being narrow-minded and not fully acquainted with the field. Grow up retard, you're not that intelligent lmao

>>61585781
>The Magni/Modi is not accurate
Prove it.

>>61585781
I remind you, moron, that the person who brought up the shitstack is no other than you.
>Grow up retard, you're not that intelligent lmao
kek. Now, kindly fuck off to plebbit, where we don't have to read your incoherent ramble.
>inb4 he suggests some other inaccurate PoS of an audiophool amp.

>>61585811
lol, you wanna play pseudo-scientist from your room? Then you prove yourself first, burden of proof is on the original claim in academia. You must be able to since you were confident enough to call me a moron!

I'll give you a hint, compare the Magni/Modi responses to actually neutral amps like the Meier Corda Jazz
http://mclements.net/Mike/mrc-blog/blog-140615.html

or the Bryston BHA-1.

This is why /hpg/ and /g/ as a whole sucks, so many posters are incredibly arrogant and unfriendly while being unintelligent at the same time. Real trash community rofl

>>61585091
>can't read

>>61585823
>I remind you, moron, that the person who brought up the shitstack is no other than you.
?????????????
I brought it up to say that it's not as good of a product as people think it is, a claim that I still maintain? What are you even saying?

You legit have a mental illness. Peace.

>>61585859
>actually neutral amps
heh

>>61585491
GR07

>>61583523
>Budget
300
>Location
USA
>Source
My computer. i'll get a dac and amp if its necessary for it though. ill just have to save up more
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Good
>Sound signature
Flat
>Past headphones
I am currently using the SHP9500s

>Type of music I listen to
Lots of 60s rock and 60s pop some 70s rock
Synth Pop and New Wave aswell.

>>61584759
My MDR-1RBT's pulled the same shit out of nowhere.

I just reset it, restarted the phone and suddenly it recognized it.

I would remove other bluetooth headsets paired with the phone as well just to be sure.

>>61585951
>300
>open
>flat
HD600.

>>61585951
The HD600 is good for most of those genres, just keep in mind it has somewhat weak bass and a pretty smooth sound signature overall.

>>61585982
>>61585990
What would be a good dac and amp for it?
Would the Schiit stack be better than the Fulla 2 for the HD 600?

>>61586037
HD600 is high impedance and lower-than-average sensitivity. This means the ratio between output impedance and headphone impedance is going to be high, so you won't run into FR problems, at the very least, and your computer's volume range (thanks to the low sensitivity) is going to have a wide enough useful range (vs everything is too loud).
TL;DR: You don't even need an amp. You *might* benefit from one, but at least in theory it's plenty possible your motherboard output is going to be good enough.

>>61583904
HD650

>>61586037
I'm biased because I own a bunch of expensive headphones, but I wouldn't even buy a dac/amp for a mid-fi headphone.

Just get the Fulla 2, the Magni/Modi isn't the most amazing thing in the world and low price is the key here.

>>61586055
N o i s y

>>61586105
I should get an amp shouldn't I?

>>61586089
Are you sure the Fulla 2 is enough to power the HD600?

Using DT990 pro powered by the onboard audio on a gigabyte X370 gaming 5 right now
How much difference would upgrading to something like this https://www.amazon.de/innenpolitischem-Kopfh%C3%B6rerverst%C3%A4rker-koaxialer-Schnittstelle-Audioger%C3%A4te/dp/B00NLYMYCY/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1501146376&sr=8-6&keywords=dac , or something in a similar price range (<100€) make?

>>61586352
Your computer is likely enough for the HD600.
Fulla2 is a good starter dac+amp. It's said to distort a little with the HD600 at the highest volumes, but that's something you'd never know if you didn't have another amp to compare it with.
If you feel like you can't trust your computer, just grab it. Should you ever need more power, you can chain the DAC out to a Magni2 or some other plentifully powerful amp. This is a popular option around /hpg/, as there's quite a few regular posters that have such a setup.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Partaker-B5-Business-Office-Mini-Pc-with-5th-Gen-Intel-14nm-Quad-Core-N3150-Processor/32550695648.html

Would you trust a chinkshit computer?

>Budget
240$
>Location
Sweden
>Source
Motherboard/Computer
>Type of headphone
IEM or Fullsized doesn't really matter
>Open or closed
Closed for the fullsized if recommended one
>Comfort level
Good
>Sound signature
Not sure
>Past headphones
Logitech G930, they keep loosing signal and just want some regular headphones without the mic

>>61586504
Please stop mentioning csg in your OP or I'll always post my chinkshit stuff in here accidentally.

>just thinking the other day about how durable my beyers are
>pick them up
>hear a snap
>look at the side
>both sides have small cracks

.. :( really

>>61585951
k712
dt880
hd650

>>61583971
You will still like the etymotics better, the bass is there but it's very balanced compared to most consumer headphones.

Nothing wrong with kendrick lamar either, it's just that his latest album was heavily brickwalled to the point of clipping especially on the bass sections. It's a complete contrast to his other work where it had a really polished, high fidelity production like mAAd city.

>>61586645
If you want flat closed or in-ears go shure. Get whatever you can for your money. You won't regret it.

Anyone have custom IEMs? Can you lie your head flat on a pillow, eg in bed? with them or do they cause pain?

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>>61587257
What should I even do

They're still "fine" but obviously it will break eventually at this point. I wrapped some tape around it so hopefully they'll stay in place for a few days until I can sort things out

Do you think they'd ship out the repair part to me instead of me having to request a full RMA?

>>61587519
>hd600
The one to get.
>k712
Not flat: v-shaped
>hd650
Not flat: dark, bassy, mid-forward
>dt880
Beyer's attempt at flat. Less treble-rape than usual. One or two tiers below the other suggestions.

>>61582882
>>61584967
NFB-11.28

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFN1128/NFB1128EN.htm

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*serious inquiry*
I want to buy new headphones.
Which headphone should I get, HD600 or K712?

Tell me why you would choose one over the other.

>>61588657
>HD600
Fidelity (they're quite neutral). Comfort (as expected on Sennheiser).
>k712
"fun" rather than fidelity (they're v-shaped). Powerful, "good" (whatever that means, I'm no basshead) bass. Not as comfortable, because AKG.
Full disclosure: I own and love the HD600. I'm no poorfag, and I'm curious about the k712, which I intend to get in the future.

>>61588905
>Comfort
>HD 600

>>61588199
>Beyer's attempt at flat. Less treble-rape than usual. One or two tiers below the other suggestions.
>anti-Beyer shitposter

>>61588950
Yes, they're quite comfortable.
After a few days of use, that is. The clamp did crunch my skull during the first days.
There was serious physical pain on my first day, lasting long after removing them. I endured, because they sound Oh So Good. Put them on at 18h or so, started trying stuff from my fb2k library, and at 2-3am I realized the time and the fact I hadn't had dinner yet. That good.

>>61586105
>he has shit motherboard audio

>>61588987
>After a few days of use, that is. The clamp did crunch my skull during the first days.
>There was serious physical pain on my first day, lasting long after removing them

>HD 600 has been on the market for over a decade
>Still causes skull crushing pain out of the box

But I guess Sennheiser wants to jew people for 90 dollar handband replacements if they get impatient and try to fix the comfort problems

>>61589150
Note I'm an autistic fuck and I'm overly sensitive.
Most HD600 owners I've talked with had absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Even without doing any of that "stretching" thing.

>>61589150
Some people are more sensitive to that kind of thing. I was getting headaches from the small amount of pressure being put on my jawbone until my headphones loosened up a bit. Now I could wear them all day without issue.

>>61587528
I'll pick up the MK5, then. Thanks for the advice.

>So much talk on fidelity yet so little on the circle of confusion
It's almost like /hpg/ doesn't know how music actually is produced, what a shock!

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"Schiit" Fulla 2? More like SHIT Fulla 2, with all the QC issues it has. Schiit won't even respond to my e-mails about it anymore.

>>61589984
You gonna enlighten them, or you gonna shitopst aimlessly like everyone else?

I ordered the K7xx, and those should ship today. I have some old HD650s that are like 7 years old, and I might sell them and just buy a new HD6xx.

>>61589735
>ear dildos

>>61590007
>tfw fell for the fulla 2 meme
>adjust volume and hear static

t-t-thanks

>>61590053
Yeah, all the reviews mentioned comfort issues. Can't afford custom tips, so I'm fucked with that, I guess.

>>61583523
HD650 or HD600?

>>61590136
Comply foam tips.

>>61590162
Either one; only a slight difference. Depends what you like. Can't go wrong with either one. I personally prefer the 650.

>>61590365
>liking muddy nigger bass

>>61590162
HD 600

>>61590376
>HD650
>nigger bass

???

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>>61590387
HD 600 has the perfect amount of bass, anything over this is nigger bass territory.

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>today i lost my all time favorite sansa clip+
>check the prices
>MASSIVE INCREASE
>oh god

Is the Clip Jam any good?

I really hope that tomorrow i will find my stuff at work or i will throw myself head first into something. My Etymotics as well are in the players pouch. Aww jeeeeeeeeez!

Which songs to test your headphones especially to show them to people who have no reference except their car hifis?

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>>61590023
Simple, music is produced with non-neutral equipment, than the equipment chosen for studio is chosen with music not produced in neutral equipment.

pic unrelated.
The kind of effort Harman puts on creating neutral monitors and other stuff is very costly, therefore almost no one will use it, the circle goes on around it self.

/hpg/ loves shitposting about neutral headphones (even if neutral headphones are not even close to neutral speakers), but in reallity their fidelity is to whatever was on the CD, regardless of what happened on studio, lets add to that the fact that music is usually produced to sound somewhat good on anything, from cheap ear buds to car stereos, and all you are left is a bucnh of people who spent x money on x headphone brands/amps/dacs bashing y headphone brands/amps/dacs and no real regards towards actual fidelity.

>>61590530

Play them their favorite song.

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>>61583523
I-is it bad?

>>61590529
>sansa clip+

check ebay

>>61590558
ah yeah... this is evident
Thanks!

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>got used to my new headphones
>can now hear more details in my music (classical), like squeaking of the chairs, keys being hit etc
>it's more distracting

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Do I come here for bluetooth/portable speaker advice? Or should I just go to /mu/ like a pleb

>>61590723
reddit is the way to do it

>>61590418
HD600 has no sub bass and even what it has is a bit muddy, HD800 has a perfect bass for bass haters (you). It's tight, doesn't die at sub level but gently rolls off. Focal has similar bass FR wise but for some reason I heard it better when I was in shop vs HD800, but that might be due to overall sound presentation.

Where can you go in the us to test headphones?

>>61590705
The problem with classical is that it's usually composed for live presentation, so recording and mixing it to sound the same on headphones and speakers can be tricky.

>>61590530
I don't have any friends.

If I did, I guess I'd switch to high gain and put this on: https://my.mixtape.moe/arsaky.flac

>>61590376
>Any more bass than my HD 600s is bigger bass
Oh I am laffin'

>>61590904
Did you listen to the elear? It has a huge upper mids crater that makes everything below 1Khz sound lumped together.

>>61591090
But that's objectively correct since measurements and the community knows that the HD 600 is the most neutral headphone.

>>61591020
At least the vast majority of classical recordings are actually mastered correctly unlike most modern music. I guess it's down to the demographics of people who listen to classical usually have a good sound system to begin with.

>>61591171
That's objetively irrelevant since it doesn't take in consideration the production of the music.

>>61590904
>HD600 has no sub bass and even what it has is a bit muddy
It also has low distortion. Just eq it.

>>61590596
Doubt anyone here has tried them. Headsets like those are usually tuned for tv watching, whatever that means.

>>61591197
>mastered correctly
You mean without so much compression? Yeah, but that's required of the mastering of classical since so much happens in terms of dynamics, even a well mastered pop song will probably still be much less dependent on dynamics, so it does allow for more compression. Still, loudness war is a bitch.

>>61591307
>whatever that means
It says RF right on the device itself. That's short for RiFF-RaFF. Tuned for the riffraff.
In short,
>wireless

>>61587638
Every part is replaceable (one of the great things about beyerdynamic)

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tfw I soldered a 3.5mm jack to my takstar hi2050 now its in mono

>>61591378
One of the cables you soldered on came loose I guess

>>61587638
Buy superior HD600.
>Snapperdynamic
>Beyerdysnapic

>>61591318
Would you mind giving me a quick tl;dr on this loudness war? I keep hearing of mentioned, but I've never really understood it.

>>61583904
HD800S

>>61591499
It consists in making the quiet parts of a song as loud as the loudest parts.
And the loudest parts are made even louder too, which results in atrocious distortion.

Because the louder a record sounds, the more you're supposed to buy it.

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Hey guys....
I need a microphone. But i don't want a huge setup on my desk so i was thinking to get a "modmic"
The Vmoda BoomPro has a lot of good recessions but i don't really know if i can use it.

Can the Fulla 2 recognize the micro or do i have to put it into the onboard port?
If i have to connect it with the onboard-port or with a usb-sound card won't i experience a huge sound-quality loss?

What should i do/buy?

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Focal elear are the headphones with the best technical ability <$2000.

>>61591611
The BoomPro comes with an adapter for separate mic/audio connections. You may need to connect an extension cord from the mic to your onboard mic jack to use the mic jack and the Fulla 2 at the same time, but it should be doable.

>>61591673
How many technical abilities does it have? How is their multidynamic soundscaping?

>>61591499
Sure Anon.
To put is simply, the loudness war is problem with excessive use of compression in songs to make them louder than each other.

You see, compression's original purpose is to reduce dynamic and put everything a bit "foward", it didn't took long for engineers to start rusing it so to make some songs appear louder than others on radio, the idea was to make people notice said songs more than the rest, eventually everyone started doing the same, so more and more compression was applied. The result of too much compression is a song that has no dynamic, everything sounds loud as fuck and a bit distorted, and it started happening to most albums for a good while.

Many engineers and musicians have taken active steps on stopping this, ever listened to Guns n' Roses Chinese Democracy? Not my favorite either, but it has some pretty good use of compression, they actually didn't want the album to be a victim of the loudness war, in comparison, ever listened anything by Nickelback? Compression all over, you can actually hear the distortion.

On a side note: Today in many contries there are standards to how loud something can be on radio or TV (ever heard a loud as fuck comercial after a quiet movie? loudness war doesn't affect only music).

>>61591764
>ever heard a loud as fuck comercial after a quiet movie?

I do all the time, and I hate it. I always have to mute commercials because they're so fucking loud.

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>>61591683
Ah i didn't see it.
Thank you very much.
Do you think i should buy a cheap usb sound card or is the onboard mic jack enough?

>>61591764
Thank you.

The radio part makes the whole thing make way more sense.

>>61591586
I suppose in the context of the other guy's answer, this isn't complete nonsense either.

>>61591855
Try onboard first. Don't put it in an amp and onboard or you'll get a ground loop.

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>>61591706
Here's innerfidelity's measurements.

>>61591855
>Do you think i should buy a cheap usb sound card or is the onboard mic jack enough?
You make that decision after recording yourself.

>>61591459
It isn't though, I double checked all the solder joined and everything seems in order

>>61591944
Okay Thank you!

>>61591940
What do you mean?
I can't put the the first pin into an amp and the second one into the onbaord mic jack?
Isn't the Fulla both a dac and a amp?
So wouldn't it come to a ground loop if i plug Number 1 in the fulla 2 and the Number to into the onboard mic jack?

>>61592066
You could always place a ground loop isolator between the mic and your onboard sound if need be. I wouldn't place it in the audio chain as they can tend to negatively impact sound quality, but it should be fine in the mic chain.

>>61592126
Thank you very much! Nice to know. Didn't know there were such problems and such devices to fix it.

>>61591894
Glad i could help, Anon.

I plan on getting the HD600 with a Magni 2
Do I actually need a DAC?

>>61592207
If your onboard sounds fine with no audible hiss, static or noise in general then you're okay.

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>left earbud stops working

FUCK

It was these ones. I don't know much about audio, so can someone tell me what these specialized in so I can get a good replacement?

https://www.amazon.com/Earphones-Headphones-Microphone-Controller-Cancelling/dp/B0735D5GT8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1501178379&sr=8-4&keywords=dzat+earbuds

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Audeze LCD-3; Auralic Taurus MKII and Vega
Can i hear god with this combo?

Can someone explain to me the difference between the Magni 2 and Magni 2 uber?

>>61592581
Uber has like 200mw more power at 32 ohms or something. And speaker preouts

>>61592633
Is it worth the extra 50$ if im going to be using HD 600s?

>>61592651
Do you have powered monitors? If yes, then yes. Otherwise no.

>>61588657
Hifiman he-400i.

Much more balanced than the hd600s, better build quality, cleaner planar magnetic sound.

I ordered DT-880s for $250

>>61592550
/csg/ has some kze earbuds with detachable cable.

>>61592207
You'll probably need an amp they're 300ohms.

That being said, you should really steer away from them and consider the hifiman he-400i or ath-ad1000x

>>61593112
Cool, hope you like them.

Holy fuck, whoever designed this earpad locking mechanism on the HD598 is literally braindead.
If I would have known it would be this bad I would have simply bought a brand new pair of HD598s.

>>61592550
KZ ZS5.

>>61593450

Woah, detachable.

>>61593521
And with a mic if you want that model. They also have a Bluetooth cable that can be had for ~$10.

>>61593550
>>61593521
I always mention these to friends looking for cheap earbuds.

The cable is kinda shit, but it's also $5 to replace it.

>>61588657
HD600, obviously. It is the most balanced sounding full sized headphone available.

This is a reminder to not take anything DiPolarDisorder says seriously because he is a shitposter who doesn't even understand the concept of HRTF and replies "you can't read" to anyone who conclusively proves him wrong: https://rbt.asia/g/thread/61561761/#61567039

>>61593761
Friendly reminder that this is the same faggot who uses hrtf to justify midrange peaks when hrtf implies increased sensitivity along the midband.

>>61588657
K712. It has more bass (I'm not looking for early rolloff, just better extension) wider soundstage and a lighter clamp. I don't mind the treble on my 668B so it shouldn't be an issue on these.

>>61593388
It can be removed.

>>61593736
>HD600
>Mid-lows louder than Mids louder than Treble
>Balanced

If you guys want to recommend the headphones you like that's fine but learn what the words you use mean before applying them in the wrong context.

>>61593849
>I don't mind the treble on my 668B

but your ears do

>>61593842
>he can't read

>>61593761
Good thing we don't have to take anything you say seriouly either.

>>61593890
bullshit, he already said it doesn't bother him, are you going to say what other human parts feel to the owners of the fucking body as well?

>>61593890
My ears are fine, thanks for caring about my well being though.

>>61593933
I think it should be relatively obvious that treble peaks can cause hearing loss over time when listening at moderately high volumes.

Not that you'd notice...

>>61593892
He literally can't. He says MUH HRTF to justify meme600s midrange peaks and treble dip when HRTF states that most people have a mid-range sensitivity between 2khz-5khz that can be as high as +17db from flat, typically at 2.7khz, followed by decreasing sensitivity to treble that varies from person to person. A fundamental misunderstanding of the same concept.

>>61594019
>>61593890
>>61594021
Like I said, my ears are fine and I never listen to my music loud anyways. My hearing drops a bit after 17K because my dumb ass listened to my IEMs loud when i was younger. I wasn't knowledgable about hearing loss and good headphones in general then.

>>61594052
>pretending to not understand how HATS works
Bad bait.

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>>61593842
You're embarrassing yourself. Get learned:
Headphones present the ears spectral properties similar to that of a diffuse field, the ideal headphone response at the eardrum is similar to that of accurate audio eardrum response in a diffuse field.
This image represents the average of 47 diffuse field responses at human eardrums. See the big fucking 3 kHz peak? Accurate headphones are supposed to have that peak there. Here's a link to the study which produced it: http://vbn.aau.dk/files/227876689/2008_Hammersh_i_and_M_ller_AAA.pdf

>>61594021
The few articles actually published on the matter focus on deviations such the ones seen on Beats, not smaller deviations as seen on many headphones discussed on /hpg/.
The general rule anyway is not to expose yourself to loud noises for prolonged periods, it applyes to any signature.

>>61593842
>>61594145
For more information see: https://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2010/05/headphone-equalization.html
Rin Choi's website is, in general, an excellent resource as he is quite erudite.

>>61594128
If he's pretending to be retarded instead of simply being ignorant then he's engaging in pure sociopathy by intentionally spreading misinformation. I hope he's just ignorant, but the tripcode alone makes me think you're probably right.

>>61594145
>in a diffuse field
More recently, Harman researches under Sean Olive showed that diffuse field equalization isn't the most desirable target curve.

how does HRTF relate to loudness curves? my ignorant view is that the inverse of a loudness curve @ 60-80db would be your FR target to reach flat city?

>>61594570
The Harman target was derived from subjective listener preferences in a non-loudness-compensated test. Listener subjective preference for louder music was established by "Quality and loudness judgments for music subjected to compression limiting," The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, August 2012
This means that the Harman target's boosted bass was likely preferred by listeners simply because it boosted the overall volume of the music they were listening to, calling into question the validity of the Harman target.

>>61594587
Accurate speakers are not equalized to loudness curves, so there is no reason why headphones should be equalized to loudness curves. No well-respected people in the audio field advocate equalizing speakers or headphones to loudness curves.

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I have a request for a CB-1 owner , could you take apart the shell (not much) and send me basically what the earcup shell looks like with the driver on the inside of not (preferably not but i wouldn't want you to somehow damage it) i have mine coming in from massdrop and im gonna cut new earcups made from wood out with a CNC and i wanted a rough idea of the inside to make a mock up (will post here when done)

>>61594145
>Failing to understand it's an inverse relationship as mentioned in your own cited paper
>Failing to realize that no headphone or loudspeaker should be equalized to loudness curves in the first place
>Paper written in 2008, memeheisers designed in the 90s don't even follow hrtf obviously and that's why their fqr looks like that.

Wow it's almost as if you don't read your own citations.

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>>61594839
>responding "you can't read" yet again after being conclusively proven wrong

>>61594839
He's right, though. Also, diffuse field equalization was established in 1986 by Günther Theile: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=5233

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>>61594893
>Posting smug anime girl webm after being shown that you literally don't understand your own citations on a funadmental level
>Actually not understanding the inverse relationship between hrtf and how a headphone should measure

Whatever helps you sleep at night. I'd be flattered if you created a collage image to post here instead of just linking previous threads as "evidence" of my "shitposting" when you literally misunderstanding your own citations and have a flawed view on acoustics.

>>61594699
But the downward Harman speaker target curve is pretty much what a flat speaker with a constantly increasing directivity index produces at the listening point in a decent room.

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>>61595056
Headphones do not present spectral properties similar to that of flat speakers in a decent room though. They present spectral properties similar to that of flat speakers in a diffuse field.
That being said, it is my personal opinion that the diffuse field curve is a wee bit too bright sounding and that a gentle treble reduction similar to the ER-4S's in relation to the diffuse field curve is ideal. Note that even with this slight treble reduction there will still be a very large peak at 3 kHz as the ER-4S's treble reduction is mostly at frequencies above 3 kHz. However, this is my personal opinion. Those concerned only with objective accuracy will want response as close as possible to the diffuse field curve.
Attached pic compares ER-4S with ER-4B, the most accurate diffuse field head/earphone available. Note that even with the ER-4S's euphonic treble reduction, the 3 kHz peak is still quite large. The ER-4S is my personal definition of a balanced sound signature; your mileage may vary.

>>61595197
The 3khz peak is to compensate for the natural psychoacoustic adjustment that human hearing performs on sounds coming from a distance away in front vs from the sides right next to the ears, you brainlet.

That 3khz peak is there on all headphones intentionally.

>>61595372
>That 3khz peak is there on all headphones intentionally.
I didn't claim otherwise. Of course it is. That's the whole point of this conversation; the retarded tripfag is claiming that good sounding headphones won't have that 3 kHz peak.

Grado sr80 is really recommended at this point?
i love the kind of sound but to use it outside... maybe lot of noise isnt it? i really play a lot of music when i am walking

>>61595455
>open back
>outside
Don't. Get IEM's or on ears like KSC75/PortaPro

>>61595197
>Headphones do not present spectral properties similar to that of flat speakers in a decent room though. They present spectral properties similar to that of flat speakers in a diffuse field.
They present the spectral properties the manufacturer decides to give them.
Most choose to eq them to a diffuse field target, it doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.

Also your pic is the uncompensated output from a ear simulator. Of course anything would look exaggerated around 3KHz without any compensation.

>>61595428
Carry on then.

Last time I visited /hpg/ it was full of head-fi migrants peddling their subjectivist bullshit and shilling for colored audio.

>>61595480
ok so i was correct, thank you so much, Shure e215 will be great for this job, sorry for retard question

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>>61594779
Rip no CB-1 Owners

>>61595496
>Also your pic is the uncompensated output from a ear simulator. Of course anything would look exaggerated around 3KHz without any compensation.
You're clearly misinterpreting the point of my post and that image, which was to demonstrate that accurate ear/headphones should have a large peak at 3 kHz in the raw response, and that even a headphone exhibiting euphonic treble reduction in relation to the diffuse field curve still exhibits a large 3 kHz peak which should be there.
>>61595455
Open-back headphones aren't for outdoor use and there's no good reason to buy any Grado other than SR60i.

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>>61583523
I'm trusting you guys on this meme

>>61595650
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/6-panasonic-rp-hje120-surprisingly-usable.594945/page-3#post-13576623 and the following post contain EQ instructions for HJE120.

>>61595669
>all of this autistic tweaking

just get something that sounds good out of the box

>>61595650
I've a few reviews years back saying the model changed from an older design with an angled gold-plated plug and that it sounded better. I never tried that older one, but I do know I like the sound of the newer one.

>>61595770
I mean they said the older one sounded better.

>>61593063
>better build quality
>hifiman
you must be joking

>>61588657
Depends what you have now and what you want out of a headphone. If you want pronounced bass and crisp highs, K712. If you want the tried and true neutral with slightly rolled off highs for a more even listening experience, HD600.

>>61595758
Every head/earphone can benefit from EQ. Laziness is the only excuse not to EQ.

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>>61595836
So you're saying my VE Monk+ can be equalized to sound like Stax SR-009?

>>61591673
HD800S, LCD3/X, STAX L-700 are all better

>>61595758
Plugged them into my phone, very punchy bass and fairly clear.
They feel chinzy as can be, so I may take up the reenforcing tip, but out of the box, with some foam tips, they sound very good.
I've had $30 IEMs that have sounded much worse.
These almost remind me of portapros.
>>61595770
Well, they don't sound bad at all, so I'm not complaining for under $10.

Betty good, thanks /hpg/

Never EQ, never surrender

Sennheiser HD 202 II or 205 II. 205 is marginally more expensive but looks more...beefier and solid.

>>61595875
Earbuds like those usually have such poor bass extension that you cannot EQ them to an SR-009's frequency response without audible bass distortion.
The HJE120's could, however, be EQ'd to the SR-009's 20 Hz - 10,000 Hz frequency response; while their poor high frequency extension means they probably can't match the SR-009 from 10 to 20 kHz, overall timbre would still be the same as 10+ kHz response has little impact on overall timbre unless exaggerated.
Soundstage/imaging can't be EQ'd. Lack of distortion cannot be EQ'd. Frequency response improvements can improve impulse response, though.

>>61595987
>sennheiser
>solid build quality

>>61595987
How much will you be paying, Anon? Friends had both and they eventually both got destroyed over nothing, really not what you want if you are paying for something solid.

Audiophile culture reminds me of wine tasters.

>>61595894
The elear's sheer weight and strength would smash any of those puny shoddily built "headphones"

>>61592554
if your wallet allows yes

>>61596017
I had few cheaper sennheiser products and they were pretty solid.

Minus the fucking cable that sometimes will permanently tangle and never become untangled.

>>61596078
Probably between 50-100? I'm not looking for top of the line, I only use headphones at work, and I work listening to people talk, so it's not a big deal. Probably the most important thing I want is comfort and noise isolation.

>>61596140
Anything Audeze weighs more than the Elears

>>61596170
Audezes drivers break in just daily use and you think they can hold up in a fight? Come on, anon.

>>61596208
Yes.

>>61596118
That's a pretty crass comparison, considering there is a lot more science and study behind audio engineering than brewing alcoholic grapefruit juice.

I think a better comparison would be to car enthusiasts. You have plenty of sane people into cars, and then a much smaller very vocal group of asshats that put 22s on BMWs or 1000 manufacturer stickers on their whips along with a giant fucking spoiler followed by no actual aftermarket performance parts. Similar to audio enthusiasts who recommend multi thousand dollar interconnects, amplifiers made with vintage paper in oil capacitors and transformers made in the 40s, and magic pebbles.

>>61596140
>weight
>a good thing
Lighter = more comfortable

>>61596214
Nope.
>>61596219
Go lift more.

>>61591943
But what's the multidynamic soundscape luminance and contrast ratio? Everyone knows that's what actually matters

>>61596217
I'm a neuropsychopharmacologist and there's a lot of science behind alcoholic grapefruit juice. For starters it's a potent GI cyp enzyme inhibitor which helps you get more fucked up on a variety of substances.

>>61596217
>You have plenty of sane people into cars, and then a much smaller very vocal group of asshats

I think "You have plenty of sane people into cars and plenty of assholes into cars" is the statement you were looking for.

>>61596163
For that price i think you can get the MDR 7506, it's one of the most sturdy headphones on the price range out there, only problem with it is that the pads don't last long (the pads on mine lasted around 6 months), but later you can get Auray Sheep Skin pads which not only last much more, but are more comfortable and isolate better.

I bought a G430 because of that nigger Tyler he does so much shit and it never breaks.
Turns out it's pretty good and resistant.
I miss my fragile Siberia v2 though

>>61596529
>neuropsychopharmacologist
>"enzyme inhibitor which helps you get more FUCKED UP"
lol, i wish we could use language like that more often in the academy, currently working on a paper about VR immersion, you can't image how much i just want to say "Big-ass speakers makes gaming fucking immersive as fuck!"

>>61596669
Jesus Christ those pads price is half of the headphones.

>>61596814
Damn, just checked and they got much pricier than when i got mine! i paid around 20 bucks on mine, can't you get get it cheaper on ebay or something?

>>61596814
>>61596839
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/888545-REG/Auray_eps_mdr7506_Genuine_Sheepskin_Leather_Earpads.html

>>61596529
So is that why being wine drunk is awful/emotionally confusing and the hangover is worse than a typical hangover?

>>61596890
It's all the sulphites wine has in it.

>>61592207
>I plan on getting the HD600 with a Magni 2
>Do I actually need a DAC?
It would depend on whether your source has issues. My recommendation for a first such device is Fulla 2 (dac+amp), as that eliminates concerns about the soure entirely. Its DAC can be chained to an amp like thje Magni2 should you ever want to.

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Do you guys ever go from your current headphone to an old one and feel a bit surprised at how good they are? I mean, of course your main headphone is probably your best one, but it's always nice to go back some times and remember why you liked that other one you got when you first started.

Pic very related, enjoying some Bowie stuff on my V6.

Are there any easy/reversible mods I can do to my HD800? I saw the superdupont mod and stuff but I don't feel like peeling stuff off and gluing it back down.

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>10.8 x 18.4 x 22.2 cm

not even sure how serious i should take Amazon's product dimensions
Shure SRH1540 is
>26.7 x 22.9 x 11.4 cm
That's not going to fit but that doesn't make sense. I just want a case that Iwon't have to remove the cables for, because apparently the MMCX connector is only rated for 500 couplings.

>>61598093
>Amazon's product dimensions
Pretty sure it's the shipping dimensions.

HD 598 for gaming?
and which mic should I get

yay/nay?

where can I read about the MMCX meme, why is it becoming a fad?

>>61598361
SHP9500S + V-Moda BoomPro

>>61598361
Look into HD579. Very close to HD599 in FR. Reviews call it better. Very good pricing.
(HD599 and HD579 are both successors and improvements on the HD598)

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oops i did it

I have a $271 gift card on Amazon but trying to spend <$100.

main idea is comfort, I will wear these at work for ~4 hours a day constantly taking them on and off. Open is preferable.

I currently own HD668B's and love them. They are perfect for what I want but I travel a lot and want to have one pair at home ready to go and one at work ready to stay.

Looking at:
Philips SHP9500 cuz they look comfy as fuck
Grado SR80e cuz they look light as fuck
Audio Technica ATHAD500X cuz they look like a name brand upgrade to the phones I already know I like

If none of these are real upgrades I'll just go with another pair of 668Bs and velour earpads (~$60)

>>61597850
I use my porta pro from time to time and get surprised every time about how ridiculous the bass is

>>61599196
Definitely SHP9500S by a longshot.

>>61599196
>If none of these are real upgrades
what do you think? Save your money for a proper upgrade.

>I'll just go with another pair of 668Bs
why??

at least you're not doing sidegrades in the $200+ range I guess?

Why not move up to the same price range as the Sennheiser HD558 or HD598? Those have gone on sale quite often due to the newer (but not necessarily better) HD559 and H599. The HD558 are a better value since it's literally the same thing outside of a foam pad and a cheaper plastic build.

>>61599196
>>61599231
Be advised that the SHP9500/SHP9500S have earpads that are (practically) permanent because it's fucking glued on. Not impossible to replace but yeah.

>>61599230
That's a bit sad actually.

>>61599292
Keep in mind there's also a HD579, which is far more competitive than the HD599.

I really need to get out to stores and listen to a large number of headsets, because the amount of disinformation is appalling in these threads. I can't figure out whos being sincere and objective, sincere and delusional, shitposting with facts or shitposting with lies...

>>61599594
Do you have autism?

>>61599642
I gave your mum autism last night m8

>>61599336
What's the S mean?
I'm trying to figure it out and basically all I've found is "gold trim"

Does it matter?

>>61600014
It's the the new model, which sounds identical.

>>61600014
the SHP9500 is discontinued, the S is just the current revision

i dont even know what they changed but I guess it's better to know it did unlike headphones like the AKG headphones for example

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my apple earpods finally died

need a replacement, any recommendations?

preferably not noise cancelling, i don't want to be totally oblivious

>>61600070
do "audiophile" earpods even exist? Just pick anything, they're all disposable. No earpod is going to be noise cancelling/isolating anyways

>>61600139
>>61600070
VE Monks sound okay and they're dirt cheap.

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>>61599080
Enjoy your distortion cannons

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>>61600202
How do you interpret this? Is this at least better or worse than the TH-X00 for example?

Why does the Oppo PM-3 have lower distortion on higher volumes?

>>61600202 >>61599080
kek, people still fall for the shure meme.

>>61595024
Still shitting up the place with more inane arguments about nothing that you don't actually understand I see.

>>61600323
Tyll's system is noise limited. So essentially you can more or less ignore the stuff below 0.4%, it's unknown if that's caused by his rig or by the headphones. Distortion in the bass is also usually inaudible, if the 100dB line goes above 1% at 100hz it's also not a big deal. The second graph you posted I would consider better than the first because distortion at 200hz is more audible than distortion at 100hz.

Many headphones have lower distortion at higher volumes because the background noise which is also counted as noise gets quieter relative to the signal output by the headphones, and also because smaller dome drivers do tend to do that in frequencies above the bass.

>>61595024
You're too clueless, too often.
Stick to speakers and shitposting.

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>>61585530
When the headphones are unplugged the magni2 acts as a preamp to your powered speakers. The volume control continues to work.

>>61585530
Another magni2u owner here. Unplug your headphones, audio goes to the preamp outs. Plug them, preamp outs get muted.
Volume knob works with both outputs.

>>61600484
>>61600378
>When the sperglord shitposting shills are still so mad at you that they reply hours later

I'm flattered guys <3

>>61600139
Ve monk plus or kz zs3 are cheap as hell but sound good.

What happened to all the cheap open backed headphones? I had a Sony open backed headphone I picked up at Best Buy for 40 bucks many years ago, giving it away was most regrettable. Nowadays, I can't find any decent open back headphones under 100 bucks. Please help.

>>61601142
SHP9500S or HD558

>>61601142
Status audio ob-1
Phillips shp-9500s

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Shit, do I pull the trigger? MSRP is supposedly 100 USD. My pricing is in Canadian Bucks, so about 50 US dollars.

>>61601260
See >>61599336
Better to grab HD558.

>>61601286
How does Sennheiser HD 558 compare against
Status Audio OB-1?

>>61595948
Always EQ. Trust your instincts.

>>61601361
This is important because the HD 558 is significantly more expensive (142 CAD) compared to the OB-1 (99 CAD). And yes, I live in Canada, so the HD 558 rips me off hard, and I get prime shipping on the OB-1's.

>>61601361
OB-1 aren't very good.

>>61601439
>low distortion
>2 EQ filters away from matching HD600
>not good

>>61601361
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/StatusSMOB1.pdf
These are extremely lacking in both bass and treble response. I cannot recommend these. The SHP9500S and HD558 are much better, even considering the non-removable pads of the SHP9500S.

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you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about

>>61601459
I'll concede that they're a decent candidate for equalization for someone who really knows what they're doing but their non-detachable cable is just as much of a dealbreaker as the non-detachable pads of the SHP9500S. They also don't appear as well-built to me as the SHP9500S.

>>61601520
The ob1 has a detachable cable like the Cb-1s.

>>61601520
I stand corrected they do not.

>>61601496
>dumdum can't do 2 EQ filters
Okay dummy, spend more for the same sound

>>61601496
Um, I have a big head, can I be sure that the HD558s won't give me head compressions?

>>61601563
Judging from the measurement, it looks like the bass can be EQ'd with one filter but the treble would definitely require more than one filter.

>>61601590
I'm sure you can just return them if that's the case and say they don't fit you.

>>61601559
Caught shitposting as an anon by his own admission in >>61601559
The tripfag can't pretend he doesn't anymore, we have proof.

>>61601613
Um, I've been pointing out that he's a retard for a while now but what the actual fuck are you talking about?

>>61601610
I live in Canada though, I'll have to ship them internationally because the cheapest I can find in Canada is 160 CAD which is ridiculous.

>>61601629
>>61601559
>>61601520
>>61601459 -> tripfag

>>61595829
I currently have k7xx and x2.

>>61601422
It's worth it.

>>61601651
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I thought they had a detachable cable like the Cb-1s and they didn't, so I mentioned they didn't... You're literally going on a paranoid schizophrenic witch hunt on fucking /hpg/.

This is priceless, I've angered the shillheisers so fucking bad that they literally try to eat me alive over saying a mistake that I self-admitted. Jesus, how fucking pathetic of a human being are you?
>>61601613
Proof of what? That im willing to correct my own mistakes?

>>61601708
I think he's being retarded but I also think you brought accusations like that on yourself by constantly shitposting.

>>61601675
Hifiman he-400i. Much better headphone.

>>61601717
These are dogshit with not enough upper mids and peaky treble.

>>61601716
>Not recommending overpriced, poorly measuring headphones and providing alternatives at the same/lower price point is shitposting

>>61601723
have you owned a pair or are you benchracing?

>>61601723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FcoUDbka6w

And this version is even fucking better. Literally another shillheiser faggot caught shitposting.

>>61601723
this

>>61601743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FcoUDbka6w i know you're samefagging but here's another reminder.

>>61593761
Yeah, he keeps embarrassing himself in every thread; it's pathetic.

>>61601675
K712 are like the same thing as K7XX so they'd be a pointless purchase.

>>61601776 new thread

>>61601260
that's the normal price. It's good for it's price. If you like it it should last until you want to upgrade to something like the HD600

>>61601833
Should i get the hd600 or hd650 if im using it primarily for gaming?

Why is bass roll-off so accepted?