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GP104 Design Decision Discussion 2016-06-15 23:29:47 Post No.55098508
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GP104 Design Decision Discussion
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I think Nvidia messed up. They made a card that will cannabalize their future high end sales while being so far above their low end that they'll have to cut cards for market segmentation, not just yields. In essence they made GP104 too big.
Traditionally Nvidia "4" midrange chips have been pretty close in performance to their previous high end "0" designs, but the 4 GPC GP104 has exactly one more GPC than is required to match GM200, as shown by the 3 GPC cut down 1070 matching GM200 cleanly. I think if they had done a 3 GPC design from the start it'd have been much more competitive with AMD and frankly would make more profit.
#1: They have no direct RX 480 competitor, it'll take a 1536-1664 shader part to match. GP106 only has 1280, 1070 has 1920. They're going to have to make a 1060 Ti to compete. The problem is yields are such that chips that don't meet 1070, yet meet 1060 Ti, are not going to be common. Meaning they'll have to cut down otherwise perfectly good 1080 and 1070 dies to meet market demand, which loses money; what's the point of making a big die if you need to cut 40% off to sell it?
#2: With a 3 GPC design they could have fit 200~ vs the 160~ per wafer they can fit now, yields would be far better as it's exponential with die size. They also could have gone with GDDR5 memory as a 256 bit bus is sufficient for 3 GPC's, as shown by the 1070. Not only that, but they could have omitted the GDDR5X memory controller entirely, further saving on die size, and likely power consumption. Comparatively Polaris 10 fits 260~ per wafer, and probably ends up a quarter the price to produce assuming wafer costs between GloFlo and TSMC are comparable, wouldn't be surprised if GloFlo is cheaper.
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#3: When GP100 comes out eventually, it won't be a compelling upgrade over GP104. We know GP100 has 6 GPC, 50% more than GP104, but remember GM200 only scaled around 20% above GM204 despite 50% more hardware by the numbers. Meanwhile GK110 had a clean 40% lead above GK104. Parallelization only goes so far, and increasing core counts isn't a linear gain. They're going to end up in another situation where there'll be a Titan and a 1080 Ti that is barely cut down, with a whole bunch of thrown out dies. Rather than having something akin to the 780 Ti and 780 over the 680/770. This loses money.
Honestly, with the design they went for it seems like a high end stopgap card, not a viable product that'll fit in with their later product stack. Its a 25% improvement, with GP100 being another 25%. The full chip is too expensive for most looking to upgrade, the performance gain is too small for those with a GM200 to upgrade (they want GP100), and GP100 won't be a compelling upgrade for those who are buying GP104. A 3 GPC chip could have easily been $350 launch due to cheaper manufacturing, not $450 as the 1070 is. All they benefit from the 4 GPC design is being able to claim to have the two top cards on the market.
tl;dr:
1080 too big; should have been a smaller design
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Nvidia will sell simply because it is Nvidia. Fanboys will cling to it no matter what.
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Consumers aren't getting GP100. They're behemoth expensive HBM2 monsters. I'd be a miracle if they released a cut down version this year.
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'Base' Debian: 4GB, good luck using the Internet lmao
'Flavor' Ubuntu: 900MB, Best driver support, automatic wireless detection.
Literally why even bother?
Where were you when Debian became a BSD clone?
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>>55098408
>BSD
No one gives a shit
Also you might be looking at a full package installation image
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>>55098408
>'Base' Debian: 4GB
Why do people go on internet to tell lies? Im an ubuntu user too but there is no need to shit on debian. I would use it if I wasnt a complete noob.
cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/
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>>55098408
I don't think you're being honest.
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So, why hasn't Wayland replaced X yet?
What's taking so long?
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>>55098364
>>What's taking so long?
a.) there's a tremendous amount of stuff that needs changing with a transition like that. Dozens of projects have to be either majorly refactored or completely rewritten, and hundreds of other projects depend on them.
b.) The biggest obstacle to a better solution is an existing system that's good enough. For a lot of things and people, X is good enough.
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>>55098443
Why don't they just make Wayland compatible with X applications? Sounds simple to me.
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>>55099457
They have. It's called Xwayland.
It doesn't magically make X window managers magically become wayland compositors though.
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>First week on IT job (as a programmer)
>You find out you don't know SHIT
Like "oh you know PHP/Java/C#, that's cute, you are hired, but you are gonna have to learn to use all of this frameworks, we also use this and this particular software/platform of our own, here, have this dozen of books of 500 pages each and have fun.
It's fun, a little overwhelming and at points stressing, but fun, coworkers are very friendly and help out a lot (I'm lucky there), is this a common thing when you start working as a coder?
Actually I'm not even coding yet, not possible when I still don't even know the framework very well, I'm just trying to.. get a grasp of how everything works and touching stuff.
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That describes every job ever
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get your fuckin blog off /g/ holy shit what do you think this is
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>>55098360
>impostor syndrome
fun fact: you never stop feeling that way
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How fast are graphics cards for laptops nowadays? How much slower would be e.g. GeForce GTX 960M than my Radeon R9 290? I'm having trouble finding good benchmarks that compare cards for both laptops and desktop computers.
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>>55098329
Even a gt745m would perform better than that 290 pieces of shit from AMD.
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>>55098329
>Have a 290
>Want a gaymen laptop
I have no words.
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>>55098329
Not even the gtx980m will be as good as r9 290
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My mum was right. Intel are the devil and only powerPC architecture can be trusted. It was a sad day for her when apple switched from powerPC to intel. She died from cancer before it actually happened though.
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/06/15/1835227/intel-x86s-hide-another-cpu-that-can-take-over-your-machine----you-cant-audit-it
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>>55098309
Intel being faggots as usual.
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Proof the the government gives freetards cancer via satellite radiation.
You're next.
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You kinda late to party, http://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/x86_harmful.pdf
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Did I choose the right software?
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>Debian
Yes, not biased either
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>>55098235
yes, because Apache is the IE of webservers
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>>55098431
IIS is the IE of webservers.
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>make the most used web browser
>make the most used mobile OS
>impose its own standards as world wide web standard
>search engine that leads to what you want to see (= to gratify your opinion)
>make stuff to control our houses (light, thermostat)
>provide America its own Internet access
>cartography the whole earth
>takes photos of every building and every house of every street
>tried to make everyone wear a camera on their head
>make cars running in the street full of camera
>buy tons of (military) robot company for whatever reason
>currently working on immortality
Why is Google trying to dominate the world?
Why are people okay with this?
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>>55098231
they have the money to do stuff like this, why not let them?
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>>55098231
Would you prefer it if apple did it?
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>>55098231
>takes photos of every building and every house of every street
>living in a shit tier country that doesn't respect your privacy
>not living in austria or germany
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ITT: We find weebs programmer
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Just look at the codebase for mpv, it's pretty much 100% weeb.
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>>55098223
programmers posting on /g/
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>>55098223
Better yet, find good weeb programmers
Computer illiterate family and friends thread.
I'll start:
>Minecraft had come out about 6 months prior, loved playing it at grandparents' house
>convince mom to let me download it at her house
>Something goes wrong on the computer shortly after, I'm immediately blamed for it.
>her boyfriend says "I don't want any back-alley shit downloaded on my computer"
>Minecraft.
>"back alley,"
>Meanwhile it shows the number of downloads on the screen so he should know it isn't "back-alley."
Needless to say, I'm still not trusted on that computer, even now as an adult.
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>>55098042
WHY DID YOU START WITH THAT IMAGE???
REEEEEEEE
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>>55098055
Because it's the most famous comp illiterate story on 4chan.
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>>55098042
>adult
>minecraft
>doesn't even own his own computer
2/10
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what apps do you have on your phone? which ones do you recommend or consider important?
i use mostly:
firefox
vlc (too slow for some videos, i'm looking for an alternative. mx player? not sure what else)
es file manager pro (i bought it since i use it a lot to access my nas and it was worth not worrying over ads)
kindle
i used quickpic in the past before es file manager but since they went the way of the jews, i stopped using it. i use my phone mostly for reading and watching. any recommendations on a music player? i use vlc but i feel there must be something better
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>>55098000
MxPlayer is the best player I've ever try. LIghtening, deluge for torrents, simple explorer and I think thats all I use daily
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Lightning
Open Camera
Strava
foobar2000
VLC
Amaze
Notes
HERE Maps
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Instant messeger
Snapchat
Tinder
This all I use
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In this thread we write one fact about ANY technology or programming language to teach each other. Also post infographics.
In C programming language, the #include preprocessor directive includes the header file contents to the source code file.
It does a copy-paste from headerfile.h to source.c before the compiler runs, hence it is preprocessing.#include <someheaderfile.h>
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In C the function called "main" is special, the program starts from the first instruction in this function.
Example main function:int main(void)
{
/*first instruction to be executed goes here*/
return 0
}
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The sequence of generating a program from C source code is as follows:
1. preprocessor (directives like #include etc.)
2. compiler (translates C source code to assembly)
3. assembler (translates assembly to machine code)
4. linker (embeds machine code in an executable file eg. ELF)
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The knapsack problem is an example of NP-complete problems.
For any k items, each having it's own weight w we are looking for such a subset of these items, so that the sum of weights inside the subset is equal to some N. In the worst case, we must check each of the 2^k subsets. If it was possible to solve the problem in polynomial (not exponential) time, then we'd prove that P=NP and get a million $.
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Edc thread: Show us your rucksack edition 2016-06-15 22:37:39 Post No.55097817
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Edc thread: Show us your rucksack edition
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Is this the daily autism thread?
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>>55097928
Déjà vu...
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>>55097817
I only have 1 phone and no camera. How do I take a photo with my phone in it?
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symantec blue coat buyout 2016-06-15 22:35:56 Post No.55097798
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symantec blue coat buyout
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/symantec-set-to-buy-blue-coat-systems-in-4-65-billion-deal-1465774721
Oh this isn't good.
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yawn
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For those of you not in the know, Blue Coat makes the Man-In-The-Middle systems that enterprises/big corps use to read encrypted traffic.
And now one of the biggest certificate authorities owns them.
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Its happening.
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>/g/ thinks you'll break the usb stick 2016-06-15 22:32:09 Post No.55097749
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>/g/ thinks you'll break the usb stick
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>when you don't eject safely
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I broke a usb drive by ejecting immediately after finishing a copy operation.
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>>55097751
Windows machine?
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>doing nothing with the drive
>press eject to remove it safely
>drive could not be stopped