Slott Spider-Epic Pt. 10

SHIT I FORGOT #8!!!
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>>90461767
No problem.

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I feel like every Lizard plot is devolving into "LETS MAKE EVERYONE LIZARDS" and I'm getting sick of it.

>>90461851
He used to be pitiable and kinda interesting, like a shittier hulk.

I think they've ruined him these days

>>90462161
Unlike lizard, Morbius didn't exactly deserve thie

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>>90462331
I'm willing to agree for once.

>>90462430
This isn't a proper cliffhanger
>that thing I've been talking about nonstop, literally everything to me
>but suddenly having second thoughts
>in a situation where fucking of course I'll do it

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>>90462609
NO LOGIC IN THIS THREAD!!!!!! GTFO!!!!!!
But seriously stay. I like you and you seem like good people.

>>90462663

Logic finally come's in at the end of this issue.

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How would you all have felt if this was the end for the Lizard?
>I would have preferred Shed be the "official" ending to Curt Connors.

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I'm spoiling this page for Devil Spider. Don't give two shits about Ms. Carpenter.

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SLOTT YOU MAGNIFICENT FAT BASTARD! KINGSLEY IS BACK BABY!!!

>>90463071
>>90463088

It took two long years after his "return". Personal trolling from Slott himself. But it was worth it. He's back. The magnificent bastard most based Goblin is back!

>>90463071
>Don't give two shits about Ms. Carpenter.
Bet you're a Drewfag too.

>>90463071
Madam Web written by slott is a really shit character. Basically wrong about everything, while still acting smug about it and pretending to be all knowing, when she's almost always wrong.

Also "haha, I foresaw this thing that you don't know about and I won't tell you about, but you fucked up for not doing it like I foresaw because I didn't tell you". Then "I foresee you cannot ever beat this thing, it's impossible" beats it anyway "well I foresee everything after all and know everything, I'm still right"

I can't tell you future for some mystic reason. She's a bad imitation of old madam Web, who actually did come off kinda wise and had reasons for being mysterious.

>>90462207
Uatu, you're being a real dick offering to play video games with a guy missing an arm.

>>90463293
hesa nigger

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>>90463162
Not really. Compared to Kingsley all spider bitches are insignificant. Also I really wanted to skip this series but for the sake of completion, I decided to go ahead and do it. Let's get ALpha out of the way.

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>>90463190
>>90463190
I agree with everything you just said. Makes me wonder what Kelly could have done with the character since he was the one that made her the Madam Webb

>>90463562
This was such a pointless story that ammounted to literally nothing. This is why I don't buy it when people say "Slott has a bigger picture in mind!!", because all of his stories feel like shit he came up with randomly, with the "hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." mindset. There's no message, no larger metatext, it's all just a disjointed mess.

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>>90463670
In most cases Slott does have a bigger picture in mind, this is just insufferably bad and agonizing to sit through. Woulds peeps be cool if I didn't do the backup story for the sake of space or do want "everything"! I'm game to do everything I'm just worried I won't be able to start Superior. tonight

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>>90463732
I just don't see it, I mean what IS Slott's bigger picture, anyway? Revamping Doc Ock? Is that it? What's the larger message of his run, the point of it all? All the best stories have something to say, whether implicitly or explicitly, they don't just exist. Slott has nothing of the kind, it's just a bunch of random stories that don't amount to anything.

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>>90463931
I've come to accept that in AMazing SPider-Man, there isn't a larger meaning behind it all (or at least not one I've been able to decipher). It's all about telling the next big story. That's what his entire series is. Telling the next epic, which in reality is kind of amazing.

WHere Slott is today in The Clone Conspiracy has all escalated from Peter's start at Horizon Labs. Every story played a crucial step in getting to the next "Big" story in Slott's eyes. There's no huge moral, but I've grown to enjoy most of his stories as a ridiculiously extravagant Spider-Man epic that obviously won't change the status quo forever, but it still represents a very interesting and varied time in Spider-Man's history.
I'm actually really stoked for his upcoming Osborn epic. His portrayal in New Ways to Die was fucking gold and I think that's what we're gonna get.

>>90464119
>I've come to accept that in AMazing SPider-Man, there isn't a larger meaning behind it all
But that's wrong, the whole point of the character is "with great power there must also come great responsibility", it's in the text of Spidey's very first appearance. The problem is that Slott's Spider-Man has nothing to do with this message. For example, after Marla Jameson's death, Peter swears to never let anyone die in his watch. OK, this is a poignant moment that plays into the "great responsability" part... but then it's forgotten as soon as the next big story comes around. It's utterly pointless. Then there's Superior Spider-Man, which ends the same way, a character learns that age-old invaluable lesson, in this case Ock... only to forget it as soon as the next big story comes around.

If there is a theme to Slott's run, it's stagnancy, nothing moves forward, ever.

>>90463661
Stuff like this is why Horizon and Peter getting a job there really wasn't executed well, it just amounted to a lot of Gadget of the Week plots, plus a paper-thin supporting cast.

>>90464119
This is why I always kinda preferred JMS.

Everything he did was pushing peter further towards being a more complete hero spiritually, physically and emotionally.

It flowed into a grand picture about who peter was becoming and carved out a place for him in the grander marvel universe.

Slott just doesn't seem to be doing that. Yeah sure there's a ton of change, but a lot of that change doesn't really fit. Making peter a science wizard or the new tony stark doesn't hold the same weight for a character that is somehow still defined by his years in high school becoming a supporting high school teacher, making life easier for kids like him.

>>90463946
Also I don't get it, this was two issues, did slot always plan on alpha being a poochie and being shove away immediately or did he just react to fan backlash because no-one likes his asshole character.

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>>90464274
You need to stop expecting anything from Slott and the sooner you do that you sooner you can start enjoying this series. Read JMS, Jenkins (bite me if you disagree -- Death in the Family was godlike), Stern, or Kelly for growth.

>>90464300
Without Peter at Horizon, we wouldn't have got Peter with the technological resources to fend off Spider-Island. WIthout Spider-Island we wouldn't have gotten Ock infecting Pete's brain leading to superior Spider-Man. Without Peter's built relationships in AMazing, Ock wouldn't have been able to be as successful as he did. Due to Pete neglecting to get a PHD, Ock decides to enroll in school and meet Anna. Ock's entire tenure leads to Pete shattering his relationships with most of his supporting cast and getting his own company. Pete returning causes Pete's company to take a new direction leading to Pete becoming Tony Stark 2.0. And due to Pete's position as CEO we couldn't we now got The Clone Conspiracy. Obviously a lot of little things were left out, but Slott is one of the few writers that actually seems like he plotts his stories in advance and sprinkles their foundations as he goes on.

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>>90464308
>That poochie reference.
Well done.

>>90464466
Sorry, but saying "it's just shitty that way, learn to enjoy it" isn't really a valid defense.

>>90464466
I didn't say he couldn't have an arc, just that it wasn't executed well.

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>>90464623
It is if you accept it for what it is and stop trying to compare it to works of real sustenance. Otherwise I don't know what you're doing in this thread. If you were to start a JMS thread I'd certainly check it out.

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>>90464662
Slott used to be able to write works of worth but since he started Spider-Man it's just been a continual slide into a caricature version of Slott that is writing this series like a modern Stan Lee. Massive expository dialog with characters saying their thoughts rather than having them exhibited through actions.

>>90464466
Events happening in sequence isn't really the same as a solid character arc.

It's like, at the end of clone conspiracy peter has the sacrifice a lot of his companies tech and his personal wealth to stop the clone outbreak right. Now this is obviously going to lead into whatever the next storyline is.

Wether its a corporate takeover of Parker Industries, Peter losing everything, Help from a mysterious benefactor. And at the same time JJS is dead, that should be a big deal right.

But all this stuff is just another process in the sequence. I have no idea what that is doing to peter as a character.

Peter losing another Uncle to something he couldn't fight, disease should impact him. But I honestly forgot that happened until halfway into this post.

The decision to put all his personal wealth and his legacy at risk should be impactful, but I honestly only thought of it as lead up to the next story or a way to return to parker luck status quo.

It's just stuff happening, unlike Slott, there's no weight to it.

>>90464536
I still don't know if that arc is intentional or a comedy of errors. I swear I wouldn't put it past him to that by accident. Either way, I think it speaks a bit about sloths execution that this is unclear. He has great ideas but his execution is always lacking.

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>>90464835
>Events happening in sequence isn't really the same as a solid character arc.
Lol I keep at no point am I ever stating Slott is writing a consistent character arc. I feel like you keep trying to assert that I have an opinion I clearly don't have. I maintain that these issues are best enjoyed as no thought inconsequential stories with ridiculous premises. Slott is NOT the writer for growth and in depth characterizations

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>>90464835
But I do enjoy your analysis and feel that you could probably write a more serviceable Spidey story that Slott has recently be churning out

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LAST ISSUE OF ALPHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Thank christ

>>90465845
This feels pretty hypocritical in different ways even if I hate alpha

What if the avengers early on decided spider-man didn't deserve his powers since the newspaper said he was a menace, so they used a device to the them away? What if you did the same to mutants? Decided they didn't deserve their powers, so you removed their x-gene.

You may have created it, but you can't take it away any more than other heroes could have judged you back before you were a fuck up. Hell I don't think Peter was any better early on. Yet no one could take away his shit once it was part of him, no matter how the media said he was a monster or how many times he fucked up repeatedly and accidentally killed Gwen stacy. Him judging someone else when he's been far worse at it early on but was given the chance to figure it out is hypocrisy

You can lock him away if he commits a crime, but taking his powers is hypocrisy.

>>90466172
WHAT DID OP SAY ABOUT LOGIC!?!?!?

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Only one more story till we get to Dying Wish.
Thankfully we have Kingsley in the meantime. Also if anyone could recommend some major Hobgoblin/Green Goblin story arcs/issues numbers it'd be super appreciated. The Goblins were always my favorite Spidey Villains. In order of favorite to least favorite, it probably goes:

1. Stormin Norman
2. Venom (Eddie Brock -- TASM and SSM versions).
3. Harry Osborn (Green Goblin)/Roderick Kingsley Hobgoblin
4. Ock
5. Shocker
6. Kraven/Tombstone (The Big Man)
7. Rhino (only because of Joe Kelly)
8. Mysterio (he's a true showman and you gotta love that).
9. Scorpion
10. carnage
11. Chameleon
12. Jackal
13. Electro
14. Vulture
15. sandman
16. Hammerhead
17. The Lizard
18. Hydro man

--Sparingly Used
MOrlun

>>90466580
I think one of the best hobgoblin stories wad that original spiderman wolverine crossover, where spiderman accidentally killed someone

That's where "original" hobgoblin died

Although this story had basically nothing to do with hobgoblin.

>>90466580
I'm one of the few people that like Morlun, he was basically one of the best and hardest pressed fights spiderman ever had. He's like death itself, he can't be fucked with or reasoned with, can't simply punch him out. Really not bad in original jms run.

Slott kinda ruined it though. Some of the stuff he did might have almost worked, but not most of it.

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>>90466704
Morlun was fucking terrifying, and then Slott did Spider-Verse.....so now I know MOrlun is but one of many and they have the fucking gall to come from Earth-001. WAY TO TAKE IT FROM EVERYONE SLOTT! That was a pivotal earth and you devoted it to The Inheritors. Get fucked.

Sorry. Lotta mixed feelings towards that story.

>>90466911
Whoever wrote Scarlet Spider was pretty damn great at taking iffy concepts from back in the day and doing them justice. Should've gotten him to handle inheirators.

The Other became a pretty nice power up in that story. It's mystic, bit creepy, but also natural. It flowed pretty well with Kaine. It was wild and feral, the hunter and prey.

>>90461851
While this is true, don't forget that the first Andrew Garfield was also coming out the year this released (2012). Just can't get away from it.

>>90466580
Holy fuck, if you were to do then entire story of Kingsley as Hobgoblin when he originally appeared and rused everyone, I'd love you long time

i've never seen someone storytime all of Hobgoblin before on here

>>90466934
X-Men Legacy!
Avengers Arena!
FF!

All these and many more new Marvel titles can be found wherever comics are sold this holiday 2012 season!

>>90464466
>Jenkins (bite me if you disagree -- Death in the Family was godlike)
Civil War Frontline and that Sentry Fallen Sun thing were some of the most horrible comics I've read, but I would take Jenkins' Spider-Man over 90% of the writers on BND. Especially also over Slott.

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What you say, Ock?

>tfw still remember the threads when Scanbro leaked these next few issues

I think #700 took up at least a dozen of threads to post in full

Genuine Question OP. Do you think Slott's spidey run is good? Do you like it?

>>90467885
They really could have afforded to be a bit more subtle with the golden octobot in this arc. Also ASM was desperately in need of some more relaxed issues leading up to Superior. Goblin Wars is fine because it works in line with Peter switching during a typical caper, but going straight from Ends of the Earth to Lizard to Alpha to Goblins was too much too fast. Doing just one .1 issue isn't enough.

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>>90468035
Totes agree. As much as I hate to say, Slott's series could have been stretched out a good 5-10 issues easy.

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I was losing my shit the first time I read this.

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>>90467981
>>90467981
All in all, I actually do, although it may not seem like it from the amount of bitching I do. I started off really liking it, and then as Amazing Spider-Man continued on my enthusiasm dwindled down I started wondering what I was doing with my time. The stories were fucking boring and I was more interested in other Spider series.

Then Superior Spider-Man started and while it's certainly badly written in times (depending on your taste), it's a rollicking good time involving mindscape spider-fights, spider-murder, Spider-Island 2.0 complete with Spider-Henchman, the decimation of Shadowland and absolutely fucking up the Kingpin's empire. Slott did a lot of things right and Spock era Spider-Man was a unique time to be alive.

And then the AMazing SPider-Man Vol. 2 happened...and all my previous enthusiasm was flushed down the toilet. The first set of stories were shit and I feel Slott made Peter was overly pathetic in an attempt to distance himself from Otto. Then Spider-Verse happened and almost made me hope again, but I was immediately kicked in the balls by contrived storytelling and continued futzing around.

Then Volume 3 happened and while I was initally wary (for good fucking reason), the series has gradually improved from its inception. The Zodiac story was fun and while Regent wasn't fantastic, it certainly beat some of Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 later stories.
Super Controversial Opinion: I loved Clone Conspiracy as a straight up Looney Toons adventure set in the Spider-Man universe and also that it set up for a Spider-Man/Osborn reunion. I'm salivating at the thought of Pete facing a Norman with his wits about him.

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This is literally the definition of "shit situation".

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Peter looks scary as fuck

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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

It was definitely starting to drag (mostly Alpha), but now that we're hitting Superior, I'm gonna dip out. Been a fun ride this past week, OP, but all the stupidity that went into prolonging Superior (the lack of detection by friends, family, and fellow superheroes, the treatment of Peter, MJ, Felicia, Carlie, etc.) just grinds my gears. Was it enjoyable? At times, but I can't not be butthurt over all of it, let alone read it again.

Maybe I'll try and go through it again. Good on you, take care, OP.

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Clever

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Well...it's a start.

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Good plan.

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I hope my kids administer a lethal dose of Morphine. This seems like an awful way to die.

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I think you need to be cutting some Paste-Pot Pete some slack. He's the only reason you're not dead right now.

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I'd actually be really excited to be in Ock's shoes. Not every day you get to help pick part of a Sinister Six lineup. Trying to think who my two guys would be. I'm thinking...
>Rhino
>Shocker

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This is literally the best place I can possible stop this thread. I hope everyone enjoyed this and the two Venom/symbiote threads I did earlier. Probably going to take a break inbetween Superior and Volume 2 of Amazing when the time comes.

I'll pick this up tomorrow around the usual time. See you kool kats later!

>>90468793
I like how they (or Ramos at least) retconned the Lizard's change in appearance since nobody liked how he looked in the movie.

>>90467980
>this was the "thread theme" for the ASM 698 leak thread and comment section is STILL full of Spider-Man /co/ bantz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljw8FMz17og

>>90467900
Here we go.