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>yfw you realize a degree is actually important for an art career

What's other stuff that /ic/ preaches that is totally wrong?
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>art
>degree
>art
>career

Can we just agree to stop this meme so people don't accidentally fall for it?

I mean, we can all agree that its a fun hobby, and we can all laugh at people who take it too seriously and waste their lives by treating the arts as if they were worth anything. But there are actually impressionable people browsing who are probably at the age where they are thinking about the direction of their lives.

I don't think I can live with myself knowing I was partly responsible for ruining some kids life by dooming him to a (what is laughably called) "career" in the arts
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>>2358330
Nice pasta
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>>2358330
I hope you're keeping up with those tps reports anon
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>>2358283

Is it? I kind of don't buy it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCHzD3mzdas
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>>2358330

You can get a career in Art. It's not as easy as going to school for 4 years and getting a Mechanical Engineering degree, then getting a job soon after.

That doesn't mean options aren't there. Plenty of game companies. Plenty of companies like Disney/Dreamworks. Plenty of TV cartoon companies. Comic book companies. I'm only talking about studio work, not freelance.

Nobody is glorifying art as some amazing field. It's super fucking competitive and your prospects aren't great. But you have a shot if you take it seriously.

And get over yourself, you won't influence anyone. People weed each other out, they don't need anyone to weed them out. You really need an iron will to keep going in this industry. It's not for the meek.
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>>2358330

short term, you are right. long term you are not right.

Even though right now my life is absolute garbage, I can barely afford to eat or pay rent and think about killing myself every day, I know that if I make out of this hellhole, I'll have a huge leg up on all the 'serious job' people who will have a midlife crisis at 40 and realize they have essentially accomplished nothing their entire lifes, other than make some corporation money.

I would, at this point, still encourage people to pursue art as a career. In this economy creating your own job has more stability, opportunity and longevity than employment anyway. But I would tell them to get a useful BA first, and take their goddamn time with art. Maybe you could enter the market with a kickass folio in 2005 and start off making a humble living freelancing. in 2015 that is definitely not the case, you'll probably need a decade of self promotion and acquisition-strategy in order to build a solid professional network and client relationships. Then you can start off making those 25-30k, and branch out into your own projects to hopefully monetize more lushly or create sources of passive income (the combination of visuals + coding skills is INSANELY powerful, i encourage all of you to look into it)
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The whole work visa thing is often tossed aside because most people on /ic/ seem to live in a america and don't need to fly there

But even so you don't need to get a degree because a professional career in art that requires you to move isn't worth the price you pay for the degree in terms of both chance of getting said job and overall quality of that job.

You're better off working at home selling your art on the internet. The future will probably be more like that anyway

But
If you absolutely must work for ea and draw space marines for 20k and get fired in a year for no reason go get a degree
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Nobody cares as long as you're good.
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>>2358661

immigration office cares, brah.
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>>2358672
You can live illegally in your country of choice.

Also, places like Japan and SK give work Visas to artists if they can prove they make enough to sustain themselves.
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>>2358679
Also
>tfw Yurofag

I don't gotta worry bout that. Yurop is pretty sweet, and the Asian countries are bro tier when it comes to that. Worst comes to worst, I can just get the Visa as an English teacher.

Also, if it means so much to you anon, just pay for a false degree.

All you need is the useless sheet of paper, right anon?
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>>2358672
that's why I go to a cheap design school :P
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>>2358672
Only if you actually want to migrate to a country BEFORE you have a job offer, you idiot. If you already have a contract to show them that a company is willing to employ you for x amount of years, there is no problem getting a work visa whatsoever.
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>>2358710

And what happens after you're there for 5+ years, promotions coming up, but the shitty work visa you're on is running out and you HAVE TO GO BACK?

There is only 1 good work visa and it requires a fucking degree.
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>>2358726

After 5 years you get citizenship, no?

Either way I'm marrying some american broad if it means I can welfarebucks & chill 5 eva.
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>>2358737
>welfarebucks
Implying it's easy to get welfare in america
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>>2358283
Degree not important, only skills important.
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>>2358769
You have to jump through a stupid amount of hoops but in some cases it's easier than actually getting a job, and I don't mean in terms of effort I mean in terms of you'll go through a shit ton of applications and interviews and probably get welfare long before you actually get hired somewhere and make it through the probation period. You can't chill on it though. Every fucking day you wonder how you're going to pay for this or that, and every few months they have some new trumped up bs hoops for you to jump through again to keep getting your measly couple hundred bucks each month. There's no such thing as welfare and chill.
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>>2358726
At that point, your company will take care of your visa, you dumb shit. Why on earth do you think you HAVE TO GO BACK just because your visa runs out if you are full time employed at a company and can just show your contract to extend your visa? Do you think a goddamn art degree has more pull in getting a long term work visa than a contract of employment? How fucking stupid are you, seriously?
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>>2358788
I've got a friend who's doing just that, the son of a bitch lives alone in a studio apartment and gets more than enough to survive. He has his rent paid for, his electricity, internet, water, heat, etc. He can't buy much but he eats well and naturally receives charity from friends and family-he would actually be able to buy things easily if he wasn't a fucking pothead on top of everything else, he even got a free television and furniture at the start, lol. He will be taken care of for the rest of his life because we live in a society that is more than willing to burden (relatively) honest, hard working people with work-shy degenerate druggies like him rather than confront its problems or let people starve. Yeah, you have to jump through a lot of hoops but in the end I think hypothetically I'd rather do that than work if I wasn't prevented from doing that over ideological hangups and needing to help my family out.

>tfw despite having all the time in the world to "work on his music" like he said he was going to do he's only uploaded a single complete song to soundcloud in a year and it's way worse than his old stuff

Shake my head
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This >>2358330 , there's no art career unless you want to make website layout, "design" buttons and logos or become 3D monkey furiously clicking in zbrush at night and sifting through trash for food at day.
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just say you're a gay autistic syrian bruh.
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What a wretched thread.

Never change, /ic/
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>>2358340
If you want to teach. Otherwise, it looks nice on a resume but isn't vital.
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>>2358921
u kno why tho?
Is there like a conveyor belt that drops retards off here whenever they start?
Six years and I still feel like you're all depressed, insecure bums no matter how much shit any of you go through. Either this place is filled to the brim and it's just hard to tell, or no matter what, you fucksticks can't learn even the simplest kinds of lessons life has to offer.

It bugs me more that those people identify--these spineless, unambitious whimps, as "artists."
These sophistry-diseased locusts that are utterly convinced they understand the world--these fucking 20-year-old college-educated idiot dipshits are swarming and destroying the thing I love.
Makes me wanna fucking gag.
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having someone to guide you is the important thing, how you get that is not, a degree is not the best or shortest option, nor the cheapest, not the safest way to go

get to an atelier early if you can pay one
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>>2358932
someone is mad
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>>2358932
I can't fucking help myself.

This is from the same board that needs a beginner thread, a porn thread, a stylization thread, a regular draw thread, and at some point I saw an abstract thread.
I'm fucking psyched for that shit.
The same board that bitches about "art feels". The same board, that after 20 or god-knows how many threads about Tumblr artists, Kr0npr1nz, and Sakimichan, and whoever the fuck else that rustles their jimmies and STILL isn't done. You STILL feel the need to BITCH and MOAN.

>>2358367
Fuck

>>2352123
I mean FUCK

>>2357548
Jesus CHRIST

>>2355680
>>2358695
>>2350288
>>2356956
>>2358272
>>2354980
>>2358099
Like holy fucking hell.

There's even a goddamn "motivation thread" for you retarded pussies.

I could go on and fucking ON about this. LOOK at where you are. READ this retarded shit. Are you all fucking daft? You seriously think that this piece of shit--this congregation of cucks--is some well of wisdom? You think this place is where you go if you're smart and you know what's up? You think this is the place where you can believe in these dense assertions?

Holy shit you're all actually brain damaged and giving me a fucking aneurysm.

Jesus I'm autistic too-you're making me retarded too, /ic/.
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>>2358822
Teach me how to live like this so I can go full artismo
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>>2358710
Depends very much on the country, for the US you need to have a contract plus the company thats hiring you needs to prove that no one else that they can hire in the US can do your job, plus pay 5k USD to the government 3-5 months to see if you got lucky and got the work visa since too many people is applying not everyone gets in, even with the money paid and contract done.
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>>2358283
good for me, I have one :3
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Why is it wrong to use black, grey, or white?
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>>2358809

Not stupid, just ignorant, and posts like those bring out these wonderful, enlightening answers. Assuming you are right, of course. :)

So a person can go on a temporary visa, work for a company in another country, and then his employment contract takes care of the rest? Is that how it works?
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>>2358774
<<<<THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS
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I graduated last year and I don't have the tittle yet
It's 200$ and worth nothing so.. dunno
>inb4autism
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>>2358679
>japan handing out visas

Not so sure about that chum. The Japanese are tighter on their visas than other asian countries, so having a degree in anything would really help.
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>>2358960
If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Also >>2357548 is my thread, and if you actually read it you'd see that it's about the psychology of linking your self to your artwork and how it's counterproductive. I specifically said it wasn't a feels thread, and so there's a bunch of useful posts in there. Actual discussion, not just wallowing in feels.

So go fuck yourself. There's so many gems on this board and full professionals giving useful advice here and there, but if you believe you're better than everyone and the whole board is nothing but degenerate beginner smut artists then you'll get nothing out of any of it and you'd be better off elsewhere.
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>>2358283
all the whining about tumblr sure gets old.

>>2358774
>>2358340
if you don't have a degree your prospects for getting a visa to work overseas are mostly fucked, because there is no proof you are a skilled worker.
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>>2360316
>200$
You're missing a zero there, bro.
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>>2358925
This. I'm getting a graphic design degree simply to showcase it and have some kind of parachute when my art career inevitably fails
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>>2360536
even developing countries like Thailand are strict about it now. A degree is becoming necessary for visas everywhere. It's actually one of the only reasons I've been thinking about getting a degree (but in something more useful than art) because having to pay off immigration and jump through their hoops is annoying as shit.
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>>2360591
no, in my country is 200, I would be totally mad if it were x10 that holy shit, can't feel the american debt dream
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>>2360554
are you upset?
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>get a degree in engineering
>do artwork commissions on the side
>make a portfolio
>do what you love while being able to fall back on other shit

explain to me why this isn't the best approach
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>>2360561

If you are a Canadian and want to work for a US company, can you do it without a degree?

I know there are other visas that don't require a degree. Can you keep renewing them then apply for citizenship or something?
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>>2361043
because you're spending most of your energy on engineering and remaining only half-dedicated to your art.

to quote sam dillemans:
a part time painter is the worst. people who are partly something are the worst. you have to try to be whole. that demands sacrifice. the worst sacrifice is being half.
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>>2361043
if you are to become the very best you can be at something you'll instinctively want to devote all, if not 90% of your attention to it.
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>>2360554
>full of professionals
>full
>professionals

Which of these words don't you know the definition of?
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>>2361052
but i'm part time at everything. i do music, coding, and drawing. what do?
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>>2358361

Why /ic/ sometimes is so obsessed with mechanical engineering? it's like the fifth time I read some anon name that degree.

Maybe if you live in USA it's more easy to get a art job without a degree because people there really appreciate a hard working or skillful person. But if you live in a shitty country that overrate a degree college , study an art career will help you a lot to get a job or teach.
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>>2361064
I never said full of professionals.

>and full professionals giving useful advice

Full professionals, as in they are fully fledged. Don't try pick away at my word choice when you can't even read.
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>>2361081
be a full time gamedev
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>>2361148

It's just a prominent example of a STEM degree. It's very high in demand.
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>>2358679
>Also, places like Japan and SK give work Visas to artists if they can prove they make enough to sustain themselves.

Really? How do you prove being a good artist to get a Visa without an art degree?
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>>2361163
>gamedev

you mean like try to get hired as one?
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>>2360561
>if you don't have a degree your prospects for getting a visa to work overseas are mostly fucked, because there is no proof you are a skilled worker.

Except your fucking portfolio/website/client testimonials
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>>2361306

Government bureaucracies don't give a shit about your portfolio.
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>>2360561
>if you don't have a degree your prospects for getting a visa to work overseas are mostly fucked

That's an entirely SEPARATE issue.
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