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>What is the point of life-drawing when you can do construction?

>What is the point of construction when you can do life-drawing?

When painting a still life, should I worry about shapes and proportions (think the Picasso drawing exercise in Betty Edwards' book) or interpreting what I have in front of my eyes and construct it with my knowledge of perspective and rendering?

I do the later but want to get into traditional media portraiture and absolutely everybody swears by life-drawing as the answer as if it was the key to gettin gud, but for me it feels akward and I feel like it won't have a long-term impact in my progress.

Opinions?
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>>2354980

What's the point of pissing in the toilet when you can piss in a cup?
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>>2354983

Your zen wisdom is too advanced for me. Please enlighten me.
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You're a fucking retard who's literally too stupid to make it
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>>2355053
Explain it, please. I'm curious as well. I thought that I didn't need to take a class because I have books.
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>>2355068
>I thought that I didn't need to take a class because I have books.

sounds like you're the expert here, champ. just do what you """think""" you should do, seein as that's what you're gonna do anyhow
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>>2355070
I'm only asking because I know that once you're done shitposting, an actual artist may come and discuss OP's question.
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>>2354980
Life drawing and construction go hand by hand. You apply construction to life drawing and the other way around.
Both are essential, cause with lifedrawing you see the little details and such. And with construction, you actually build the form and actually understand how it works.
Dont think of them as seperate things as they are both important part of drawing
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>>2354980
who are you quoting
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>>2355089

My brain debating the two posibilities.
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>>2355068
Most people I know who learn everything from books and don't do observation from life end up having their work feel as flat as the fucking page. You can't even say they lack a sense of how the body fits into space because there is no feeling of space in their work at all. It's usually marked by a drawing which flattens out around the arms and legs, like a shoulder coming out at 45 degrees and an arm parallel to ground level. There's no twist to the body or foreshortening beyond maybe the forearm covering the bicep if they halfway have a fucking clue. If you draw from life you've at least got a chance to not feel like you're creating paper thin people.

If you do all life with no construction, good luck ever taking what you learn from life and applying it elsewhere. These sorta people never study anatomy, perspective, anything other than just copying what they see. At least they usually have a good eye for composition.
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>I'm too lazy to do life drawings so I'm trying to justify not doing them.
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>>2354980

Both.
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>>2355212
Good answer, im gonna do some life drawings of my tissue box which is gonna make me master of anatomy from imaginoo.
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>>2355636
I'm pretty sure life drawings =/= still lifes. Construction is the building blocks: putting together Lego's and doll parts. Life drawing is the end result, Lego sculptures already fitted into place for you. If you only draw from life you'll never figure out how to make your own creations, and if you draw only from flat and still images you won't instill into your brain how the pieces fit together in more complex ways (and possibly run into the uncanny valley).
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>>2355212
>>2355796
thanks
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>tfw no-one properly crits my life drawings when I post them
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OP, I think you're confusing proper life-drawing for sight-size-replication ala bargue studies, real life drawing requires thinking about things in 3D space and actually trains construction as well as seeing gesture, developing an eye for character and generally just building up a library of what things actually look like which helps with solving problems when drawing from imagination.
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>>2354980
if you had to chose, op, life drawing is more important, because spending hundreds of hours in front of models will instil a lot of knowledge of anatomy and structure and surface.

Construction, otoh, by its nature will not teach you much about the diversity of human forms. One thing I've learned from drawing a lot of people is how often their shapes are twisted and weird. It's kinda great.

Luckily we can (and should) do both life drawing and construction.
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>>2354980
Do both. Specialize in the one that promotes whatever you're doing.

Personally, I'm very interested in alla prima atelier methods and plein air--clearly more beneficial for me to really know how to paint what I'm looking at, etc.
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>>2358002
What part of the Sight-size technique isn't "real life" drawing?
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>>2358577
>"real life" drawing
no, that reads: real "life drawing"
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If I'm too much of a trog to draw from life but draw a lot from ref how much will I suffer?
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>>2358620
quite simply, a lot, you'd have to draw the same thing ten times from different refs to gain what you would doing it once from life, I know it's hard, I used to walk out with my sketchbook and pen in bag ready to draw then pussy out and come straight back home but you just gotta do it man
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>>2360009
not the same guy you replied to but why is this? why is drawing from life so much better than from refs?
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>>2358577
the first part, the last part and everything in between.
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>>2355013
Don't even start pissing until you've drunk the piss out of your receptacle.
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>>2358406

Is this satire?
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>>2358406
Post your art
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>>2358002

So sight-size = copying the model and life drawing = analyzing the model?
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>>2361151
Yeah, I'm confused now. The way I currently see it is that drawing from life and not photo is like looking at thousands of photos at once. You see all the little details moving slightly and revealing themselves. It's like reference on crack. A photo is just pixels. A frozen shot. It's already flattened. Though, a real object is something you sense differently while you draw it because it's actually taking up space in front of you. But that's just my opinion. I don't know.
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>>2361175
You're supposed to close one eye and keep it and your head stable in real life so you can see only two dimensions, silly. Also your model should be still. Nothing should be revealed because nothing is moving. Do you even life draw?
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>>2360009
Do you think in the meantime drawing objects from life could help develop a greater sense of general form or is the advantage of life drawing more pronounced in the figure and development of ability to draw the figure from imagination?
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>>2355089
i hope youve realized greentext doesnt always mean youre quoting something.
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>>2361776
that's some nice bait anon
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>>2354980
>Picasso drawing exercise in Betty Edwards
you have to do both, first things first, copy proportions and shapes, then construct it over that correct underdrawing, and draw forms there, if you don't and you start focusing on construction since the start you're gonna make mistakes and you won't be able to fix them later
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>>2361772
sure, just try and make up for it with objects that have complex forms and throwing some cloth around is good too.
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Life drawing and construction compliment one another. When someone tells you that one is more important than the other they're either lying or wrong. Construction helps you understand the 3d form of the 2d image your eye sees. This knowledge influences your line-work and shading when life drawing. IF you didn't know anything about construction, nothing about how the human body looks you could still do a perfect drawing from life, however it would probably take you hours and hours where as you could do something as accurate in half the time if know the fundamentals of how the form works and how light is going to come across it.

Furthermore we don't always have access to models or photos when drawing so knowing construction gives you the ability to draw and learn without having the whole reference in-front of you. IF you know the intricacies of how a human body is structured you can actually draw one nearly perfect from any position. There have been times when I surprsied myself by ostensibly drawing a part of the body from a point of view I've never studied and when I compared my drawing to myself in the mirror I was shocked by how accurate my imagination was.

Tldr don't focus on one or the other, find a balance.
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y'all should remember that construction is pretty much a 20th c. invention. The old greats - caravaggio, rembrandt, bouguereau, sargent - never constructed a figure in their lives.

they also achieved all their mastery with something that was basically sight-sizing (w/o the pretentious name etc), so I'm pretty sure
>>2358002
hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
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>>2362780
>y'all should remember that construction is pretty much a 20th c. invention

Nah, maybe it isn't so obvious because almost all of their studies were scrapped but they used a type of construction, just not as blocky.
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>>2361778
>be me
>think greentext is only used for quotations
>mfw i've been wrong all along
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>>2363433
who the fuck are you quoting?
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>>2363437
>same b8
>twice in a thread

Autistic confirmed.
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>>2363281
looks shitty desu.

Who's the artist?
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>>2363621

Leonardo 'big dick' Da Vinci.
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>>2355089
>I think he's quoting GOD
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>>2363433
>>2361776
But greentext is for quoting, idiots
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>>2354980

who's the artist, I know its hampton studies on the right but who's the guy/gal doing it?
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>>2362780
You should remember that construction isn't some evil invention by modern day artists to torture noobs like you. It is a tool to make it easier for you to draw things in proper perspective, by breaking down complex objects into simplified 3 dimensional shapes.
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