/pmdg/ - Pokemon Mystery Dungeon

I'll admit, I really liked everyone's jerkitude in GtI.

They were grim and dark /tg/ style bad people, just jerks, and I loved them for it.

>>31654038
And pokemon super mystery dungeon was going so well trying to do something similar with their characters until you leave serene village and join the expedition society and everyone is so bland and boring, like holy shit.

>Find me a pass scarf
>It should be on floor 22.
>And by that I mean it can be any where between floors 1 and 40

>>31654038
Yeah, the fact that everyone was a shithead was kinda motivational, if that makes sense. It's nice having everybody on the same team like in the other games, but in GtI it actually felt like a do-or-die situation from how ominous everyone was about it.

>>31654038
>>31654136
>>31654309
>>31654363
You guys are making me wish I had bought GTI when it came out. Now I have to wait until I beat Super and then a few years so that mystery dungeon stays a "special" experience.
And by that time the next mystery dungeon for gen 7 will have probably come out.

So I just beat Sky for the first time, what are some of the best tidbits about the story that I might have missed? Any interesting head cannons out there for unexplained elements?

>>31653990
>The gen that is based off of new york
>everyone is an asshole

art imitates life

I want emolga to be my girlfriend

>>31656016
I also want emolga to be your girlfriend.

>>31656016
>>31656093
>girlfriend
But he's a he, isn't he?

>>31656355
boys can be girls too now. It's 2017, anon.

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>>31656399

>>31656483
I want to dress him up in frilly skirts and pretty bows, and then take him on public dates where everyone can see!

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>when your recruits do the mission instead of you and your friends

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This is slowly deteriorating into an Emolga thread.
I'm not complaining though

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>>31656577
Emolga is small time. Ampharos is the real talent

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>>31656577
Now this is a thread I can get behind.

>>31656955
I wanna be friends with that muskedeer

What the fuck is wrong with bunnelby? He never actually helps and just ran off for no reason.
Do I even need him for the likely final boss of Showdown Mountain?

>>31657138
Bunnelby is the Corphish of SMD, Swirlix at least cooks

>>31655741
>Why aren't the Time Gears in Temporal Tower to begin with?
When you take them back, time goes back to normal without having to return them to their original locations. So why weren't they just in the Tower all along?

>If Pokémon can become frozen in time, how are there Pokémon in the future?
The whole idea of living in frozen time is already a bit unrealistic, but surely any Pokémon from the past would have been frozen and the future would be completely motionless save for Dialga since he's special. Maybe Dialga brought other Pokémon from different time periods to be his servants or something, and maybe that's how the player's human self got there.

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We're still not dead

>>31657245
>first spoiler
i guess they're naturally there, but if someones takes them, only dialga can put them back, so you take them to it

>second spoiler
it's one or the other
>either some pokemon moved from a normal to an already frozen zone and thus they're in ''safe zone'', or
>it's just pokemon magic

>>31657245
Does time even freeze anybody? I thought all it did was freeze natural phenomenons. Maybe the freeze effect wasn't strong enough. Or the human was an outsider who could unfreeze others and made a mistake unfreezing Dusknoir.
There are a lot of unanswered questions in EoS.
>Time Gears
Where they supposed to be there at first, but everyone forgot to bring them back? Are the Time Gears a band-aid to the Time Crisis? Are the Time Gears supposed to be for emergencies and some previous crisis happened that caused them to be moved to those areas?
Human
Is the human native or not of that world? What did the human do there with Grovyle exactly? I assume the human is not native since that human was supposed to be you, I guess?

>>31657245
>Why aren't the Time Gears in Temporal Tower to begin with?
When you take them back, time goes back to normal without having to return them to their original locations. So why weren't they just in the Tower all along?

The gears keep time flowing properly in the region they're in, and Temporal Tower acts like a Time Gear to places that have no gears. The way I see it, there might have been gears in Temporal Tower that Darkrai removed (since the game does say he tampered with the Tower, but not HOW he did). So when the gears you removed are placed in the Tower, they fix up the locations where those gears came from. Basically, the Time Gears are just backups for the Tower since the area gets fixed as long as Temporal Tower is working right.

>If Pokémon can become frozen in time, how are there Pokémon in the future?
The whole idea of living in frozen time is already a bit unrealistic, but surely any Pokémon from the past would have been frozen and the future would be completely motionless save for Dialga since he's special.

I think the game mentioned that only the region EoS takes place in went completely motionless, and other regions simply had time stop but didn't get frozen in time.

My 2 cents

>>31654363
It's always curious from their perspective.

Im playing Explorers of Sky and I have this outlaw mission where the floor it is on is one giant room with nothing else.

I keep fighting everything I see but nothing pops up. Is it invisible? If so, kind of silly since you dont see Eyedrop Seeds this early in the game (Waterfall Cave)

>>31659203
Did you get a message saying "But where's the target?" when you entered the floor? It hasn't happened to me, but apparently that means you just complete the mission and you'll have to try again another day. Don't know why they put that in the game.

>>31659203
Sometimes they show up it's pretty annoying

>>31659694
*don't

>>31657957
I feel like the location the future takes place in is poorly explained. Based on geography it seems to be the Hidden Land. However, we know that Grovyle and his partner must have wandered around the Grass continent learning the locations of the Time Gears. So how did they go back and forth between the spots? Why doesn't Grovyle know about the Hidden Land's location when he must have been able to find it before?

>>31661013
Celebi is weird in that it seems she can travel through space as well. Or she at least takes the full time to travel somewhere but she isn't conscious of it. Also the Porygon that can teleport you to the frozen island could very well send you the the Grass Continent. All it would take is one that believes in your cause.

>>31653990
I want Virizion to be my team mate

Does anybody have a screencap of vpmd 4 and 5?

>>31662951
I'm waiting for it too

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The fuck do i do now, the guide makes little sense. Trying to get custom starters with NTR.

>>31662995
I am able to edit my fucking name but that's it.

>>31662995
>the guide makes little sense
How? What don't you understand? I'm the one who wrote it. I'll try to help you and improve it.

>>31663011
That's fine. You need to edit the species value just like you edit the letter value.

>>31663020
Yeah but what is the species value, "pokemon 1" is just the name right? I edit the polemon 1 value but that only changes the name

>>31663043
Every byte you see (formed by two 1-F characters) has its own address. The "Pokémon 1" address points to a byte, and the value is two bytes long, so you edit the first two bytes you see after you enter the address

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>>31663078
Okay, let's say i want bulbasaur, what do i have to modify? I'm a little braindead.

>>31663163
You go to the Pokémon 1 value, then edit it to be "01", and then edit the next value to be "00".

I added an explanation of what an hex editor is, tell me how it is.

>>31663180
Got it, thx.
I thought the value i searched for was displayed in the center (that is actually the value for the pokemon's name).

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>>31662951
Maybe.

Part 5 later

Why the fuck are there two models for murkrow, and why does the one that is not flying only learn tackle

>>31657245
That's the plot tho. The Tower is basically a machine Dialga uses. The gears were originally from the tower but Darkrai stole them, and then conviced the lake trio with nightmares i guess

>>31663756
There's lot of weird stuff like that.

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>>31663913
Yeah but i want my birbs touching the ground, playing with the ''good'' version of murkrow makes it have aerial seizures and that is fucking disgusting.
Any way a species can have another species' moveset?

>>31665318
I think we can do it by modifying the file with the moves, it shouldn't be hard. I wonder if other stuff like stats grows are fine though. I guess it would be better to replace the model, but I'm not sure how to do that, as I've never extracted them in the first place.

>>31665506
But changing the models would make ir just float in the sky without moving its wings, that would be worse.

>>31661013
>However, we know that Grovyle and his partner must have wandered around the Grass continent learning the locations of the Time Gears.
>So how did they go back and forth between the spots?

I'm assuming they (as in, the group Grovyle mentions in the special episode that investigated everything) split up and searched different locations, maybe one group taking the hero with them and other times Grovyle is with the hero in locations we know of (Fogbound Lake and Azelf's dungeon) and then traveled back by meeting up somewhere to discuss everything.


>Why doesn't Grovyle know about the Hidden Land's location when he must have been able to find it before?

Grovyle doesn't know about the Relic Fragment and how it leads to the Hidden Land.
I'm assuming they focused more on finding the gears more than the end location. Or maybe the hero's Dimensional Scream left out that part about the Relic Fragment.

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>Volcarona used Silver Wind!
>Volcarona used Silver Wind!
>Volcarona used Silver Wind!
Virizion fainted!

>>31665506
>>31665558
https://projectpokemon.org/forums/forums/topic/35921-pokemon-super-mystery-dungeon-and-pmdgti-research-and-utilities/?do=findComment&comment=191584
I think that it works in the same way in Super. If it does, it should be easy to copy and paste the proper Murkrow to the alternative, broken one's place to fix it.

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I think Giratina should automatically be motivated when this happens.

>>31666559
I think at least someone should be motivated every day.

>>31666559
And of course Giratina decides to go on break at the most inappropriate time.

ARE WE MAKING A FUCKING FAN GAME OR WHAT?

>>31667353
We apparently forgot about Eternal Wish

>>31667411

Whats Eternal Wish?

>>31667447
Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about!

How do I make snivy useable in smd? I was planning on having it as my leader when I replay it.

>>31667531
third thread I miss in a row

>>31668415
Snivy's not that bad.
I think Growth is a real nice move to carry, and try to get Energy Ball from Cofagrigus when you can.

What's wrong with being bad?
I'm bad because I'm bad. Get it?

Since all the shit in the future in EoS is ambiguous, what do you think should be canon and/or what's your headcannon?

There may be several contradictions.
Canon: [spoilers]=headcannon:
>The human was involuntarily summoned from another world by Cressilia, who was dying and had given up her fading life to get you here.
>You gained the Dimensional Scream from Cressilia, which not only helped you find the Time Gears but also allowed you to falsely predict any danger that could threaten you (because your well-being is technically related to the Time Gears, though it probably doesn't help anyone else avoid danger not affecting you).
>Your powers don't make you invincible, however, since apparently you need a trusted partner to use it and being a load forces you to trust anyone who hasn't raped and/or decapitated you yet. That partner was at first Celebi, but you later learn to trust her companion/boy-toy after seeing how devoted he is to protecting you. Dusknoir may or may not be in the group and later betray you he does betray you, but not because he wants to live, but because he wants to make you his bitch, but loses interest when you become a Pokemon. You become best bros/reluctant acquaintances with Grovyle since Grovyle finds your improvision with items to be useful/disastrous, and is the reason why Grovyle managed to overload a Luminous Orb into a makeshift flash bomb by learning from your recklessness.
>The adventure takes place on the Grass Continent, where you deal with all sorts of unsavory characters, including the delirious Lake Trio.
>The Time Gate you go into is not located in the Hidden Land, but somewhere in the Grass Continent, since you never find out how to get to the Hidden Land.
>The human becomes a Charmander who is reckless and unintelligent and is successful mostly by luck.

>>31667480
EW anon is still lurking.

>>31667353
I'd do fangame.
I could even learn how to code.
Or write coherent plots
Tho musicians and pixelartists would be probably in highest demand

Bumping up

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The next Mystery Dungeon should have a vaguely medieval setting, with conquistador explorers and a goofy king instead of a guildmaster.

Y/N?

>>31673930
You could still have a guildmaster and a king. Heck, why not have you and the partner become successors of the former guildmaster?

PMD's technology level is ambiguous, because it is all dependent on the species. If there are fiery Pokemon and strong-arm Pokemon, there is probably smithing. If there are Pokemon that can farm (Harvest, Rototiller, Recycle, Natural Gift), then there is farming, however farming is pretty much the establishing thing of a civilization. However, technology may be irrelevant if all that matters in a Medieval theme is its politics, culture, or economics. Since this is a PMD game, the Medievalness must be kept G-rated and be of a "Noblebright" theme. I assume that the fantasy elements will be kept intact.

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>GTI has 5 unrecruitable legendaries + 2 extra forms of Kyurem
>most encountered through dumbass wifi co-op board
>associated missions offer the same rewards as normal missions
>there is no justification for this

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>>31674121
The technology of the Mystery Dungeon series has never really exceeded medieval levels, apart from entercards and connection orbs, which could probably be considered magic just as much as advanced technology. Smithing is probably used to build metal fixtures and the like, and I'm fairly certain that I've seen bits of metal used in some in-game buildings in Super. Agriculture is definitely a thing, and is also something that, based on the berry patches in GTI, anyone capable of putting seeds in the ground can do. A "G-rating" in medieval fantasy is pretty easy to keep, if children's television is any indication. Noblebright medieval fantasy is a pretty common setting, really. It's just not something that's been applied to Pokémon.

>>31674284
What about those save machines? They look pretty future tech.

>>31674147
at least there's co-op, wonder why they didn't brought that back to Super

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Wrote a dungeon-drawing algorithm. It uses a small bitmap full of different tile arrangements represented by 3x3 pixel squares to find an arrangement that matches each tile and then multiplies the coordinates on the smaller bitmap by the tile dimension to get the proper tile on the larger bitmap, adjusting for if it's a hall or a floor

The small teal lines and slight tile overlap in some places are where I fucked up making the tile bitmap, not anything wrong with the code

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>>31674938
Here's all the tile templates it uses. I might have missed some but I haven't found any missing yet

The white pixel is the tile you're drawing, black pixels are tiles that are the same passability (a wall and a wall) as white, pink are opposite passability (a wall and a floor), and green are tiles that can be either

>>31674938
It's too big and too much rooms.
Otherwise it's fine job.

Are you for reals working on PMD fangame?

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>>31675881
Here's a more reasonably-sized one. Stuff like floor width, height, room size, and corridor density will all (eventually) be controlled by a difficulty variable associated with each dungeon

>Are you for reals working on PMD fangame?

Been toying with it for a while, this is the first I've worked on it in a month. Right now all I have is the dungeon generation algorithm. I'd like to make a PMD game eventually but I'm working pretty slow

bumping to keep thread up during Superb Owl

>>31677113
A lot of owl threads on /vp/?

>>31677906
SuperB owl

[Spoiler]Also, bump. [/spoiler]

>>31676140
>>31675881
Us /pmdgfangame/ anons should be working together.

remember the irc chat

>>31680286
If you want people to visit it, it would be a good idea to post it again instead of assuming everyone has it bookmarked. When was the last time the link was posted?

>>31681006
not
>>31680286
it's pmdgfg on rizon.

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>tfw cant design anything

nds_bootstrap seems to run Blue Rescue Team and Shiren almost perfectly now.
I'm about to try Sky as well.

>>31680054
We should be. I know there is at least one other guy working in C who has Pokemon and move lookup tables and some other stuff

>>31682499
EoS sees to run fine as well. A few animations and loadings are kind of slow, but it's a minor issue.

>>31682911
ok, apparently dungeons are much slower in Sky and the music is messed up. I didn't think this was going to happen.

I want Emolga to sit on my face

>>31682499
Should we have a guide on how to play DS games on the 3DS without a flashcard in the OP?

>>31683134
Can't you just run it on a phone or computer?

>>31684014
I personally find it more comfortable to play on the DS/3DS. Either way, having more options isn't a bad thing.

HOW TO PLAY DS GAMES ON A 3DS WITHOUT A DS CARD

Before starting:
You need to have installed a CFW.
The easiest and best way to do that is to follow http://3ds.guide
It works on every 3DS model and every system version at the moment. This may change in the future, so you better do it as soon as you can.

Download the latest TWLoader release
https://github.com/Robz8/TWLoader/releases
(click the first "TWLoader.7z" link)

In TWLoader.7z you'll find a folder named "sdroot" that contains another folder, named "_nds". Extract the "_nds" folder to your SD card. Don't put it in any folder: it needs to be in the root.

Choose a folder in your SD card and extract the following files:
TWLoader.cia
TWLoader - TWLNAND side.cia

Download the latest bootstrap.nds
https://github.com/ahezard/nds-bootstrap/releases
Rename bootstrap.nds to release-bootstrap.nds and put it in the "_nds" folder in your SD card.

Create a folder named "roms" in the root of the SD card, and inside the "roms" folder create another folder, named "nds".
The "nds" folder is where you put your DS roms and savegames.
Put Mario Kart DS in there. This is required in order to be able to use use savegames without a DS card. Other games might work, I have to look more into this.

Now put the SD card back in your SD card and launch FBI.
Select "SD" and then the folder you chose. Select "TWLoader.cia" and "TWLoader - TWLNAND side.cia" and install them.

Go back to the Home Menu and launch TWLoader.

IMPORTANT:
If you launch a game you can use a card to store the save, as long as it is a card of the same type.
This also means that YOU MIGHT LOSE THE SAVE OF THE CARD INSERTED IN YOUR DS. If you don't have a backup of your data, take the card out when using TWLoader.

Go to the TWLoader settings and press R.
Set VRAM boost to "On".
Set Bootstrap to "Release".
ARM9 CPU Speed makes use of the DSi hardware if set to "133mhz (TWL)". This means some games run better (and some other stuff that doesn't really matter in this situation). However, it may stop some games from working. When you run a new game, try both to see which one works better.
Press B.

Get the cursor on "Mario Kart DS" and press the Select button.
Select "Set as donor ROM".
Press B.

The TWLoader setup process is done. Now you can launch it and choose the game you want to play.
A lot of games don't work at the moment, but nds-bootstrap is constantly being improved.

If you have a DS card and you want to backup your saves, you can do so with TWLSaveTool (or FBI). You should be able to use saves from an emulator as well.
You can also backup your own roms using decrypt9.


Blue Rescue Team runs almost perfectly. The same goes for Shiren DS.
Explorers of Sky has a few problems. It slows down a lot whenever it's loading an animation. Walking/running in a dungeon works fine, but whenever something actually happen it stops for like 2-4 seconds. Loading a new floor is really slow. It takes a few seconds to load. It's playable, but definitely annoying.

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So the purple one's dead, right?

>>31685739
???
It's shiny you dolt

>>31685739
Yep ;_;

>>31685796
It isn't. It's a recolor only used in the anime and the first 2 PMD games.

Does this mean more people are gonna ask for rescues?

>>31685823
I lived my whole life in lie.
Tho I only caught one shiny, so I feel excused

>>31686008
probably not, because most people don't know about it

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>tfw kecleon always had thief at level 1
D i s g u s t i n g

>>31687185
>screech at level 38

Thank god it was far lower in BRT

Anyone have a link to vpmd from last night? Looks like it's archived already

>>31687441
>>31679694

>>31687486
Thanks

Anyone have advice on using a giant Pokemon in Super? They behave and fight in a really wonky way. Are they actually useful or are small teams considered superior?

>>31688066
Aside from one attack hitting a few pokemon, they're not very good. The best it'll get is Groudon paired with a sun team. Not even PMD can make an eternal shitmon like Onix good

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>>31688092
>he didn't roid his pokemon in rescue team

What would Verizion and Deerling talk about?

>>31688180
>roid onix
>oh wait it has 4 star size rating i cant take anything else with
>i cant even see the enemy in front of me because onix's head blocks it

>>31688210
B-boys?

>>31688461
Wait, how did those that got void shadowed end up just fine at the end? They didn't even mention being no-clipped after the end credits.

>>31689011
Remember, no one in the Voidlands is real. The writing on the walls said everyone is just a phantom. Them getting void'd or whatever probably just meant that they couldn't save themselves like the main duo could. Their actual bodies were still on the mountain. At least, that's how I saw it.

>>31689063
I took it as the pokemon in the void dungeons were phantoms, since nuzlock confirms the pokemon in the first dungeon were real.

>>31689459
>nuzlock
Nuzleaf

>>31689459
Does that mean that even the player and partner were phantoms during their voidlands time?

>>31689459
>nuzlocke
mystery dungeon games are not nuzlockable
...are they?

>>31689858
>No Reviving, if they are dead than say farewell
>If your partner dies turn off all their moves and make sure they are using exclusive move user.
>If you die; restart.
>No healing items
>No Goomis
>Hard mode: No items at all, aside from apples
>If the story isn't progressing you must take the highest job ranking you can

Seems doable, but I'm sure you can shoot yourself in the foot in all games.

>>31689901
>Hard mode: No items at all, aside from apples
That's definitely not doable, unless you grind forever.

>>31691790
You doing a thread today?

>>31691810
nah, spent all day half-asleep at work and got home too tired to do much other than bum around here. I'll try and get one in tomorrow.
Gives screencap anon some extra time to keep up though

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How do i have fun with these games?

>>31692169
By playing them.

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>>31692201
But I have, why does it feel like a chore to play?

>>31692222
It means you don't like the game and you should move on to something you do like.

>>31688461
>actual artistry wasted on borderline fetish shit

>>31691940
Aw. Well, good to know so I can stop lurking tonight.

>>31653990
Did super turn down all the numbers for combat stats? It seems like i never ohko stuff even with super effective attacks. Granted i'm not that far into the game but my guys seems way weaker than early game pokes in Rescue team and explorers.

>>31693145
Enemies in general have far more HP. That and the neutral attack never gets stronger

>>31693145
Definitely. I never noticed my damage output ever increasing without giving my mons their vitamins.

>>31693145
They totally did increase the HP on all enemies, that's because they don't want you to be killing everything in 1 team attack.
though, other pokemon can totally kill you in one move, and those who don't will leave your entire party with less than half HP

>>31689901
>Hard mode: No items at all, aside from apples
Good luck on Super

>>31695230
Where is this from? I've seen it a few times now and it seems like it's cropped or the bubbles are edited.

>>31695581
I don't know myself. Would be cool to know though, just so I know I'm not posting a lewd crop by accident

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Oddish is cute but I still miss glorious America bird.

>>31696281
He'll be back eventually

>>31696281
Also thank you again for screencaping!

>>31696326
And Ron will kick his ass a second time, except now with oddish help.

>>31696327
No problem

>>31696281
do not sexualize the smol mandragora plant

i like oddish so pls

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Why has every installment in this series progressively made the postgame worse?

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I'm playing through EoS right now, are there any Op/meme mons or moves I should try out before I finish the game?

>>31697762
Wooper seems to be a favorite around here.

>>31697646
fuck, i miss the friend areas, it was literally your own mini pokemon zoo, and the fact that Super had getting all of the pokemon as one of it's biggest selling points yet you're only able to see them in a dungeon was pretty dissapointing, at least GTI had the pokemon that you recruited just walking around your base.

>>31697646
But Super came after Gates.

Is there any point in playing Gates? I heard it was the worst PMD game.

>>31697646
A second story was a good trade off for friend areas, and Super is essentially post game: the game.

>>31697914
The story is great and the characters are very well developed. It's disliked for its almost non-existent postgame and lack of pokemon variety with only 144 recruitable. Some people are also bothered by the slow text speed that can't be changed. It definitely lacks replay value, but as someone who doesn't play much past the plot, I enjoyed it.

>>31697762
Wooper gets no weaknesses through a swap item, prevents explosions, has two great abilities, a great IQ skill set, and is adorable.

You're not going to get it before postgame, but Drifloon's line is the most overpowered line in the game.

>>31697914
It's the best PMD story and the worst PMD gameplay tied with rescue team, with close to 0 postgame content.
It's still worth a shot playing it since it has a lot of interesting mechanics such as dungeon mysteriosity, co-op boss batles and building your own pokemon paradise, but if you can't be bothered to buy a game with less than 30 hours worth of content then you should watch a LP of the game, that way you still get to see the story.

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>>31697646
>Explorers has worse postgame than Rescue Team
Is the Darkrai half postgame or not?

>>31698887
Anything after the first credit roll is post game.

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We /lava/ now boys

>>31698963
Byootifal.

>>31698963
Did you get this from spriters resources?

They ripped almost all Rescue Team/Explorers tilesets.

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I want to ship Emolga and Virizion!

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>>31698963
Mild criticism, hallways seem too straight. I'd stay away from shit like pic related though

>>31657245
the gears are a failsafe in case the tower is damaged, which it was. time should have started going to shit everywhere when it was damaged but the time gears can keep time running just fine locally as long as they're in position and the tower hasn't collapsed completely. taking them when the tower was operational wouldn't have done anything. the reason time stops completely when they're removed is because the tower is damaged. they stay far away and spread out so that they can't be captured with the tower in one fell swoop. the reason they stayed at the tower when you put them there is because they needed to be there for as long as the tower is being repaired, something that finishes outside of the course of your playtime/lifespan.

in the ORIGINAL timeline where darkrai destroys temporal tower, there is no grovyle to steal the time gears, so they stay put. with just time gears and no working tower, the time gears have the power to keep pokemon going but not everything else. darkrai allows the time gears to keep pokemon active because he feeds off of their despair. this is the timeline you travel forwards in time to, as the future seems not to update at all until you actually fit the gears into the tower.

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>>31699333
Thanks trips

>>31699643
Yeah. I can't do art very well so I'll probably just repurpose the game tilesets and sprites

>>31699822
How does something like this look? I think the reason all the halls were straight was that there were too many rooms. So this is the same hall layout with fewer rooms

>>31700112
Floor seems small, but it looks better

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The (archives of) UPC site says this (on the image) is the damage calc for Rescue Team.
(http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/content/pokemon-mystery-dungeon-damage-calculation.html - this is the page)

I've plugged numbers and:
Test 1: Flame Wheel Lv. 100 Smeargle vs. Lv. 4 Sudowoodo. Formula: ~360 to ~463. Results: 363-463.
Test 2: Tackle Lv. 1 Bulbasaur vs. Lv. 3 Rattata. Formula: ~5 to ~7. Results: 5-7.
Test 3: Regular attack Lv. 30 Latios vs
Formula: ~67 to ~86. Results: 34-43.
Half the damage. According to our guide, regular attack damage is half. Now, UPC does not mention this at all (granted, it also mistakenly says Crunch causes cringing like Bite, but it instead lowers Sp. Def, as it does in G3 core series, while Bubble, Rapid Spin and Charm have no description at all). I am assuming the game applies half the damage as it does in Explorers.
Test 4: myfirsteverpartnertheelectric mouse. Level 47, with 84 in both Attack stats. Thunderbolt +3 vs. Lv. 18 Swablu. Formula: ~298 to ~383. Results: 298-382

Seems like this is the formula more or less. The results aren't perfect match except for levels where the range is small, so chances are any lacking values are either small errors i did not take in account or extremes that did not show up. Though UPC did not mention anything about the regular attack having half the damage and I did not test the multiplier for opposing Pokemon (which it says nothing about) so there's probably some stuff to check.

I would do it if I wasn't running out of time and having to sleep.

Yes, I did savestate abuse. No, I did not do the calculations manually. I plugged it into an online program.

>>31700608
Latios vs. Lv. 12 Nidoran*
For reference, I looked up stats to see what it naturally has at a given level.

>>31700608
Good job lads. You're slowly breaking down the game.

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Blue light reduction slows the game down a lot and also makes it look ugly. I'm glad cell9 didn't actually leave though.
Overlay plugins look more interesting at least.

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I found the Cobalion mission

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This is a huge problem with GtI in general. Whenever either of the gates is open you're really limited and having to go talk to Azumarill in order to close it is quite annoying.

>>31701100
Can't imagine why they put that in at all. Seems completely pointless.

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In this situation however, the game asks you if you want to close it. I don't think I noticed or needed this before. I don't get why they couldn't do the same when you try to go to the other Paradise areas.
Companion mode has another problem. You can't quicksave. I assume they did it to make it kind of like Pelipper Island, but this makes no sense because you're not waiting to be rescued or rescuing someone. You have to go there if you want to use a different team in a normal mission, and not being able to quicksave makes no sense.

>>31701156
My guess is that something went wrong during development. I can't see any other reason.

I'll just put this here
>>31701275

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Sorry to ask but two quick questions about red rescue team.

1. Can only you be pokemon like cubone, machop, and psyduck or can you select them as partners as well?

2. Are there any hacks that add more pokemon you can select as the main avatar and partner?

>>31701909
1. Yes, I think you can look up a list of the pokemon that can ONLY be the protag, and not a partner. but off the top of my head, you can only use the following as protags, not partners: meowth, machop, cubone, skitty, psyduck. I know I'm definitely leaving some out though so you might want to google it or look for a guide (think gamefaqs)

2. from what I remember there are no hacks for PMD (the originals, at least), but with good reason. according to an anon in one of these threads a while ago, the game was coded with unions, which has two implications: 1) they can fit more content into the game and have it run more smoothly, and 2) you can't really mess with anything from the game directly or with an editing programming, because it will pretty much collapse on itself and/or become an unplayable mess. sad, I know. I'd pay money for rom hacks of these games.

regardless, cool to see someone playing the originals, as they're definitely my favorite.

>>31701909
You can have custom starters in Sky, but not Rescue Team. RT falls apart for some reason

>>31701909
Why are you playing Red? Blue is just overall better.

There is no reason to play red instead of blue.

>>31701983
>>31702002
Thanks for the feedback, was curious. Haven't ever actually beaten the original despite getting it in 2006.
>>31702043
I actually thought the only real differences were the platforms and some version exclusives. What else is different in blue? I own red so it's just what I'm most used to.

>>31702002
how exactly do you go about having custom starters in Sky?

>>31702077
Blue doesn't have an internal battery that could die, has two screens so you can see your teams info at a glance, and somewhat better sound.

>>31702120
Sky Editor

>>31702002
You can edit custom starters into Rescue Team but for me the game crashed every time the player and the partner are supposed to do that pose where they look at the camera and get hype

I assume because nonstarter Pokemon don't have sprites for that animation. Maybe there's a way to patch some in?

>>31698270
Or they could take a third option and get 3DS CFW to play it for free.

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Alright last dungeon post. Special terrains like lava are now more likely to form large pools instead of tons of 1-tile corridors

>>31703946
Bottom part could use a bit more lava, but the upper part looks a whole lot better.

>>31703946
Reminds me of one of the side dungeons in Golden Sun

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bumping

>>31702077
>version exclusives
You know you can always use Wonder Mail?

The only time it really matters is in Adventure Squad and even then, you can link all three versions into one save file.
>>31700920
Well, this wasn't my effort but somebody else's. I just confirmed the formula and added something that was missed (and was already confirmed for Explorers)

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>>31695581
I think this particular image is from a drawthread. It illustrates a scene from Pokemon Ruby Destiny: Rescue Rangers, a hack of Ruby set in a PMD-like world. The writing is so bad that it's good, but the gameplay is so tedious and awful that it's really not worth playing. I've never seen another Pokemon hack with as many glaring balance issues, game-breaking glitches, and just bad design choices.
I'm not certain if the image has been edited or cropped, but I'm guessing that it hasn't. If I've identified the artist correctly, he(she?) usually posts art with around 500x500 as the dimensions. You can also see Tropius and Exeggutor in the background, as in Rescue Rangers, so the "hm"s are most-likely not an edit.

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>>31706332
oh god it's this again
>core series hack that tries to emulate PMD (as you can guess, it fails miserably)
>that one legendary boss battle few times in a row because fuck you at the end
>accessing the very last battle is hard because script easily dies in the "postgame"
>even if you DO access it it's basically a fight against an entire team of Lv. 100 legendaries that gives maybe like one extra plot scene
who the fuck thought this was a good idea

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>>31706332
>>31707394
Can you even imagine a boss battle with that many legendaries in PMD? Most we've had was Super's Reshiram and Zekrom fight.

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The latest installment

>>31707460
It could easily be done with hoopa unleash summoning all of the legendaries, it would end up being a dodge all orb alliance attack spam fest in the end, but it still sounds fun.
As long as the legendaries aren't at the same level of bullshit as mewtwo it's fine was that the most bullshit encounter in PSMD?

>>31709517
>was that the most bullshit encounter in PSMD?
Probably. Second best goes to the Dialga, Palkia, and mega Fug gauntlet if only for Metal Burst being the worst meme ever created.

Wow, Revelation Mountain is even worse than the last time I went there. How is that possible?

>>31710819
earlier in the story you mean? that's normal, it's like a new dungeon

>>31710819
When they said "come back later" you honestly didn't expect to come back and be over leveled, did you?

>>31711105
>you honestly didn't expect to come back and be over leveled, did you?
I wasn't sure. It was somewhat difficult the first time, so I thought it might be average difficulty on the second time there.

>tfw I have to go sleep
Okay, I might as well throw this at you.

Supposedly Gladion's theme has taken some notes (around 19 seconds into the song) from the Rescue's fugitive theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Nz1vxcltU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBXBDqaIL28

True or nah?

>>31712245
coincidence

>>31712689

VPMD is back!

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I'm not the only one who thinks he'll be the major antagonist of the next game right?

Unless of course they make him playable as the starter or partner.

>>31714207
>something like that as a starter

As much as i'd like that, i doubt it.

>>31714220
We've had pokemon like phanpy, shinx, machop, and psyduck as the protagonist and/or partner so I can see it maybe, but unlikely realistically.

>>31714251
>doesn't evolve, which seems to always be something mentioned ingame
>busted ability

>>31714207
>>31714207
Nah, he'll be Bidoof 2.0.

>>31714251
We can't have that anymore in a post-gti world

>>31714406
You say that like it's GTI's fault and not the fact that there are now 22 starters.

>>31714251
I would really doubt it if only because it doesn't evolve. Super only had pikachu and lucario as extras, and I can't think of anything that in gen 7 even close to their level, but it's not like it's impossible that they'd just throw a bunch of random ones in

>>31714576
That's meaningless though

>>31714600
>I can't think of anything that in gen 7 even close to their level
Rockruff

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>tfw you will never start your day, have breakfast with your guild, go rescue/explore shit, then eat dinner made by slurpuff and after a long day make love to your partner and redo it all the next day.

>>31714251
name a starter with two types that isn't bulbasaur or from the wiiware games.

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>>31715051
>spoiler

>>31716032
rowlet is definitely going to be a starter

>>31716032
>or from the wiiware games
That adds only Wooper, though.

Other than Parasect, who can be a Purity Forest run killer?

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>hariyama used knock off
>the tight belt fell on the ground

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>look at level curves in Rescue Team according to UPC
>tfw my favorite and buffed kecleon recruiter has halfway point at lv. 82
>tfw 3 million EXP to get to Lv. 100
>weather trio needs about 2.5 million and has halfway point at lv. 58
>bulbasaur needs more than ivysaur which needs more than venusaur
>azurill needs more than azumarill but less than marill
considering I can confirm the ridiculous EXP for Azurill, it's probably right for other Pokemon, at least for Rescue Team.

So I'll ask one question.

w h y

>>31717777

>>31717806
because muh steamrolling

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>optimize a Western Cave run
>about 870k EXP
Still need one more run.

I feel poor for people who use unevolved starters, as they seem to gravitate towards 3.5m EXP at Lv. 100, with Mudkip requiring 3.7m.

The lower end I found to be be 2.1M, though probably missed something that requires even less EXP.

>>31718924
I remember back when RT was still new someone had a password for a Joy Tower mission that guaranteed you like 10 joy seeds

Since the dungeon's seed is stored in the player rescue password you were guaranteed to get the same dungeon and items every time you tried it, so you could grab all 10 seeds and then leave without finishing. The game let you attempt each player rescue like 10 times or something so I ended up getting a ton of joy seeds from it

Is there still anything like that? Seems faster than grinding for levels

>page 9
what is the sage limit again

>>31721089
310/150

>>31721089
>>31721101
310 on /vp/

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Any tips for the postgame for red rescue team?
And what is the best area to grind both for money and experience to my other team members?

>>31721101
>>31721211
310? Any reason for such a specific number?

>>31721567
It used to be 300, but one they they randomly increased it to 310 for no apparent reason.

>>31721546
>evolved his starter
>using a starter in the postgame to begin with

Western Cave/Team Hydro's maze are good to grind in.

>>31721546
Western Cave is GOAT for experience.
I optimized a run to milk out as much from floors 50-59 92-98 (most Pokemon on these give 800+ EXP by default).
The regular attack penalty checks only for 'has this mon been succesfully targeted with a move?' It does not care who used the move (so things that target user like boosting moves, Rage, Future Sight, Pursuit, Spikes or Leech Seed will count)

>>31721546
For reference >>31718924
Also, I suggest you get many runs through Magma Cavern or Uproar Forest. They usually have plenty of Gummis; get something to maximum (preferably your favorite as by the time you reach 999 IQ it should be pretty buffed as hell)

"*pant pant* we've come pretty far in" - every single fucking game

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>trip trap throws x-ray specs into water
>no way to get them out
>just boxed a mobile scarf thinking there was no way I would need it for that dungeon

>>31723807
>Super didn't have the "My name? That's right, my name is..." line

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>>31723899
>tfw All Terrain Hiker/just being a water type

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>>31723899
>The ___ burnt up!

What's the best part of the games and why is it the fuzzy feeling you get when partner+MC do something simple that makes the partner overflow with joy?
Or is that just because I'm forever alone and yearn for something like that?
are there any other games that make you feel like that?

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>>31724651
>that time when the partner in Gates begs you to promise not to leave and your character is so moved by the partner's sincerity that they agree without thinking

>when you first stole from a shop thinking "i 1shot everything in the dungeon, this'll go fine"

>>31724479
Fucking horrible. I need those reviver seeds and oran berries for later you little shit.

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>>31724479
>___ used Bug Bite!
>you're in ZIS and just found a Reviver Seed

>>31727100
What is the episode again?

>Pmd of your dream never
>no farms to tile
>no villages to settle
>no castles to build
>no cities to establish
>no temples to erect
>economy and citybuilding never

>>31729717
We need to make one.

Can someone post screencap 1,2 and 3 of the vpmd thing?
I can't find them anywhere.

>use wide slash
>x is defeated! x wants to join!
>x is defeated! x wants to join!
>x is defeated! x wants to join!
So you can get multiple in one turn.

Any ideas why Screech is (or was? Future Sight was changed to work like it does in the actual games in Gates so I assume Screech also got the boot) basically Death Sentence: The Move?

I mean for fuck's sake, it quarters your Defense and can stack up to 1/128.

>>31730298
I have them at home, but I won't be able to post them for a while.
Also need part 5 if anyone has.

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>yfw you confuse attack for defense
tyrogue was a mistake

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>IQ of 5000

>>31731015
Let Alakazam be. You'd try to kill Tyranitar too if you had to live in a permanent sandstorm.

>>31731056
Except killing Tyranitar does not remove the sandstorm from the floor.

Trust me, I tried.

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>>31729591

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u5dtBtG9yU
Starts at 12:17

>>31730298
Here's 1.

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>>31731667
>>31730298

2

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>>31731667
>>31730298
>>31731685

3

I have up to 7.

>>31731704
5 please?

>>31655396
If that kind of thing is your cup of tea then sure.

It's just that GtI is like the Sun and Moon of the mystery dungeon games. It's fun, but infinitely non-replayable. You might enjoy the ride, but the ride does stop eventually, and you can never get that first experience back.

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>>31731954

>>31732146
Tyvm

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About fucking time.

>tfw life gave you months-long hiatus on this game

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>>31731704
And I have 8. Weird, huh?

This probably defeats the point of imageposting but I figured these caps could use an album or something to make them easier to find. Hope this is okay.
https://imgur.com/a/7TfUl

>>31732241
You're too good to us screencap-san

>>31732684
Consider it my thanks for your threads

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>nothing special for this, he just dodges the Seed
Well.

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>>31733866
CHARGEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>31733879
>Something is stirring...
>It's getting closer!
>this on next floor
yes i got myself burned, because i cannot into walking
attempt number two it is

>>31733995
>not using a One Room/Drought Orb for this

>>31734055
>wasting one room/drought on a dungeon with this short time limit
>wasting time on getting these two
i'll be already having fun time with tyrogue and IQ evolutions no thanks

>>31734144
What else would you use those orbs on?

>>31734144
Enjoy having all those Kecleon roam the hallways trying and failing to get to you

>>31734144
Why would the time limit matter? You can just reset.

>>31734334
>stand near stairs
>use orbs
>wait until recruitment

>>31731056
>>31731109
They must carry a dick ton of Rainy Orbs.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW3oWVvTEqs

rescuing this thread.

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>Temporal Tower
>"It's a monster house!"
>Porygon-Zs everywhere

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>>31737151
>bronzongs

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>finally recruiting a Drifloon in Sky
The ZISening begins

>>31739830
Tell us how your ezmode run goes

>>31740986
Currently at B67F now. Went through floors pretty fast for a while, but by the 50s it turned into a slow crawl.

Even with ezmode this dungeon is still stupid hard. It feels like Faint Attack, Shock Wave, and hail-boosted Ice moves exist solely to screw over Drifblim's evasion boosts.

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>Porygon2 used Agility!
>everyone's attacks connect despite Minimize
>lose my last Reviver Seed
>no useful orbs or seeds left
good

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If anyone's willing to rescue me it'd be much appreciated

>>31741218
I can try
how long you can wait?

>>31741282
Oh, I can't, I am not in postgame...

But I will keep the code.

>>31741282
I'm not in too much of a rush, so I can wait a while. I've got other things to do in the meantime anyhow.

>>31741316
Sorry senpai, I wish I could help you, but >>31741313
...

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>>31736093
>3.6MB
>Shit-tier quality
ftfy

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>the moveset for Pokemon is randomly generated on each floor (confirmed for Keks as on my double shop run they had Screech only at one floor)
>they might have thief
>they steal the friend bow
>tfw they might have stolen away the 1/1000 chance
>also tfw you have no idea if you can recruit while you're a decoy (because of Substitute)
why do i have into mystery dungeon so much
it was fun and simple when i didn't think about it this hard

Does your name get fixed in RT when you evolve your main characters if you named them after their species?

>>31743136
Just tested it out with my partner and it fixed the name.

>>31743246
Thanks for letting me know

>you guys survived the cringe attack of 2/10

wew

>>31743704
Well, we aren't surviving anything else if someone doesn't make a new thread.

>>31743704
I didn't even notice. What happened?

>>31744237
>>31744237
>>31744237
new bread