Restructuring /vp/ #4

I think everyone is in agreement on the following:
>remove e-celebs and youtuber bullshit
>remove furry porn, stealth furry porn, waifu/husbando porn, but make sure to not ban discussion about volatile pokemon and waifus/husbandos (no gardeporn but can talk about garde and have threads about garde)
>ban low quality leak and shitposting leak threads
>increased moderation for increased moderation coverage, especially at hot button times
>enforce GOTTA CATCH EM ALL
>enforce existing rules regarding instigating genwars
>enforce existing rules for /vp/
>ban of pepeposters


Things we are mixed on:
>ID's
>HG threads

I think that HG threads should be on /trash/, and I have reported them as such in the past, but as a fair compromise I think having a weekly event wouldn't be unfair to both parties, provided it was well structured and contained.

I think the arguments behind ID's have merit, but I also think that as this is an anonymous board that doing so might infringe upon anonymity.

What might be an interesting compromise here is instead of ID's but friend codes being identifiers, or at the very least an option for OP's to make a thread be a Friend-Code-ID thread only where posters have to post the following.

Doing this unites /vp/ and brings us closer together allowing for more connection in the real world, but it also gives individuals an opportunity to enforce identification in a pokemon-related manner but not make it mandatory board wide.

I think moderation could take what we've all agreed upon in unison and begin to enforce that, but the things we are mixed on warrant further discussion.

I'm really glad someone took the initiative to bring this up in /qa/. Most of the board's problems are basically rooted in a lack of enforcement of global rule 6, and just inactive moderation in general

>>28539952
Jannies do it for free. They have no reason to take their jobs seriously. That's a major issue.

People who frequent this board around the clock are ignored for some dumbasses who got lucky with the application and put it off after a while or start power tripping.

I love how I get bans and warnings for saying Lusa/Wicke threads should go to /trash/ already or calling out Joe (eceleb shit I know but it was tied to another topic).

Keep /ekx/ and /wfg/ separate.

>>28539773
Well we're in school hours so maybe we can get some actual discussion

>>28540068
>Jannies do it for free. They have no reason to take their jobs seriously
No one forces them to apply for it though. You shouldn't apply without the intention to take it seriously.

>>28539843
If HG belongs in trash, Gardevoir and waifu faggotry belongs in /trash/, there's no need for fucking like 5 constant porn and lewd dump generals with a shit ton of general waifu or tailsfag /feet fag threads up at the same time. HG might be shitposting but it's 1 thread

>>28540154
That was my thought too. Last night was filled with the type of contentious that can only come from being in 5th-12th grades.

>>28540224
Wow, strawman argumenter is back.

Has there been any official response from Hiro or a mod yet?

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The people pushing for IDs sound like butt hurt faggots who are paranoid that their threads always get trolled by the same person or some shit.

Even if thats true, if a "trolls" argument is so weak they have to resort to samefagging and you can't pick it apart then you need to take a good look at yourself.

Do people here really form their opinions over how many posts agree / disagree with one matter?
Do you really come on 4chan and say:

>Hmm, everyone is agreeing that i should cut my dick off and eat it but how do i know they're not same fagging? If only there were ID's then i could be positive castrating myself is the right thing to do"

Now i may be old school but back in my day people believed that each post should be judged individually by its quality, not tied back to other posts that person made in the same thread.

IDs also help the people who use tripcodes the right way (drawfags, traders, injectrs, ect) stay anonymous when they finish doing their business.
YES, i understand IDs are only for a single thread but even giving up that much of your anonymity is still not worth implementing them.

I was a bit shocked to see that so many people agreed for IDs at first but the strawpoll results shot that the majority is against them.

TL;DR: Fuck off with the ID idea.
Just because someone said they didn't like cabbage earlier in that thread doesn't mean you get to dismiss their next post about fine dining.

>>28539843
Toss on /pol/ shitposting on to there. It's gotten pretty bad lately in the past few months.

>>28539843
What reason does /vp/ have to be an ID board? People do fine with putting their FC's in the name field.

I'm mixed on HG threads too but during non-hype season /vp/'s pretty dead so it couldn't really hurt.

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>>28539773
Fuck off with your home improvement project bullshit. No one agrees with "the following" and you trying to "clean up" the board to with your own personal no offensive content allowed policy is cringy and a detriment to everyone who uses this board. The board doesnt need your own personal governing, mods just need to reevaluate existing janitors. Its as simple as that, anything else that triggers you is your fault for being a little bitch. Fuck off.

>>28540639
Took you long enough to reply troll anon. In between classes?

>>28540154
You're right but apparently someone missed school

>>28540465

>>28540465
All we're trying to do is cutback on spam. If we could do it for a like a week, and vote on it there is no harm.

Also if you're being a retard in a thread, you deserve to be treated like one. That's the philosophy of anonymity, you get to say what you want to say

>>28540824
*you just can take back what you said, and we are going to insult you for being retarded.

also no oldfag tells us they're an oldfag so inclined to believe you're lying.

>>28540850
*just can't

Man I'm awful at writing today

>>28540850
>also no oldfag tells us they're an oldfag so inclined to believe you're lying

Dude wasn't obvious he's a retarded kid and part of the shitposters.

Literally every reply with "us oldefags xD" is from a retarded underage who discovered this board recently.

>>28539843
>I think everyone is in agreement on the following:
Stop with this nonsense. No one is in agreement with this. Especially not your full on retarded idea to have fucking friend codes behind everyone´s name like we´re on fucking reddit.

Also a blanket ban on a meme you don't like is just as retarded. Your whole post is really, /vp/ doesn't need IDs, doesn't need change and certainly doens't need your batshit insane suggestions that you pretend everyone agrees with. Fuck off.

>>28540473
Pol whining is just as bad. Get the hell out of here.

>>28540465
>Now i may be old school but back in my day

Fuck off back to whichever shithole you came from, underage redditor.

>>28540850
Umm, anon, are you trying to be a shit flinger? The post you are refering to has no statement of him being an oldfag. Thus how is he lying?

>>28540901
Fuck off retard.

>we

Literally fuck off back to ribbit you retarded mongoloid.

>>28540933
>"Now i may be old school but back in my day"

Learn to read, you dumbshit retard.

Do absolutely anything in your power to block out foxfag. I'm tired of him bombing any thread he doesn't like, which generally happens to be ones I like.

I want those RP threads from like, a year ago back dammit, they were fun.

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Reminder to get rid of leakspammers and anti-leak fags.

>>28540901
I agree with his point, you just need to kill yourself.

>>28540901
>I don't agree with this so no one is agreeing with this.

Sorry anon, this was an argument used a lot last night. There are at least 3 threads before this that there was agreement by the greater population of the thread.

Go away and stay away with your nonsense restructuring project. /vp/ is fine as it is, at most it might need some better moderators but we certainly don't need even more extra rules or other shit.

>>28540989
We certainly don't need underage shitposters like you, if you want a site which rewards you for shitposting reddit seems like the perfect place for retards like you, assuming you didn't just come from it which isn't likely.

>>28540989
>we

Retard.

>>28540988
Yeah no, last thread was full of people not agreeing and don't pretend otherwise. And most people are just ignoring these threads because it's full on bullshit anyway and full of a handful of people who call everyone a retard who needs to go to "ribbit" (literally always like this) if you disagree with the hugbox circlejerk.

>>28539773
It's funny how the biggest shit thread on this board is this one right now. Good job.

>>28540965
I have learned to read, but I am thinking you aren't very self concious.

>All we're trying to do is cutback on spam. If we could do it for a like a week, and vote on it there is no harm.

Also if you're being a retard in a thread, you deserve to be treated like one. That's the philosophy of anonymity, you get to say what you want to say.

Where in any of that did he say "back in my day" or old anything anon? If you have issues with reality, please leave.

>>28540933
I was continuing my sentence. That's why I tried putting a *

Please for the love of God get rid of /vpol/.

/pol/ infects fucking everythimg, they're just as bad as horsefuckers on 4chan pre-/mlp/ and at least they stick to /mlp/ now.

No I don't fucking care about your stupid meme president, I don't care about the niggers, I don't care about the spics, I don't care about the kikes, just fuck off back to your containment board and stay there.

Basically what I'm saying is, we need to treat /vpol/ like we did slugfucker.

>>28541047
I'm guessing you didn't read the OP if that bothered you

>>28540989
Is /vo/ your only board or something?

STOP TRYING TO FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN

/vp/ IS A CONTAINMENT BOARD, AND COMPARED TO OTHERS IS VERY TAME. WE'RE THE BEST OF A BAD SITUATION

THE MORE YOU BAN HERE, THE MORE IT LEAKS INTO OTHER BOARDS

WE ARE THEN MISSING THE WHOLE POINT OF /vp/

THE MODS BAN PORN AND BLATANT OFF-TOPIC/SHITPOSTING THREADS CONSISTENTLY

IF YOU WANT TO DO MORE FOR /vp/ USE THE FUCKING REPORT BUTTON

I HAVE TO TYPE IT LIKE THIS SO THICK-HEADED RETARDS CAN SEE IT AND COMPREHEND IT

JUST

STOP

>>28541047
>>28540941
We don't even need silly IDs to notice your idiotic samefagging and complaining about "we" when you lot start the thread with a post going "everyone agrees with".

>>28541138
Pretty much this. Just report posts, dont make even more rules that won't be enforced anyway. /vp/ isn't even all that bad.

>>28541138
This.

>>28541138
>a containment board shouldn't be regulated and made fun for everyone

Anon, shouting your point doesn't make it right.

>>28541138
We are probably the worst moderated blue board on all of 4chan.

If we can have multiple nights where people make threads for hours at a time of just Helioisk porn, something is wrong

>>28541060
Now this is baiting, it must be because otherwise you're an absolute mongoloid who should kill himself asap.

Let's see

>>28540824
>>28540850

These two replies are from the same person. You see the asterisk in the second reply? That means he corrected or added something to his reply.

He was replying to this kid

>>28540465
Who mentioned these exact words

"Now i may be old school but back in my day"

Do you understand now, you absolute dumbshit retarded fucking mongoloid?

>>28539773
The only thread on this board that should be removed is this one. It's pure shitposting and bullshit.

>>28541172
Holy hell, that guy is stupid lmao, did he really need someone to explain him what anyone with reading comprehension can see.

>>28541172
Nah, won't kill my self because anyone who has been here long enough knows they don't need a *

>>28541138
>THE MODS BAN PORN AND BLATANT OFF-TOPIC/SHITPOSTING THREADS CONSISTENTLY

Pfft ha no they don't.

>>28541164
We are regulated, you can't post whatever you want.

If you want a tight, restricted hugbox go to reddit.

>>28541166
Porn threads reach bump limit on /v/ half the time.

>there are people in this very thread who don't want /vp/ to become a red board
Note that furfaggotry would still be banned if this board became red.

>>28541215
Yes they do. Do you know what else helps? The fucking report button, which I'm sure you don't use.

>>28541206
>>28541172
Stop talking to yourself

>>28541231
>If you want a tight, restricted hugbox go to reddit.
They won't. They want to make this into reddit for some strange reason.

>>28541164
"Fun for everyone" doesnt mean "make more rules so I dont have to hide my laptop from mum every time she walks past". You and this shitty thread are an attempt at making this board no longer fun for everyone.

If you dont like a thread, hide it. If you see a post against the rules, report it. If you feel like new rules need to be permanently issued and enforced, kill yourself.

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>>28541152
>more than one person thinks i'm a retard
>it can't be! m-must be a samefag!

kek, kill yourself reddit. What /vp/ needs, not "we", is for retarded shitposters like you to go back to the shithole they came from.

Can we all report this thread?

I'm tired of seeing this shit, and these threads go nowhere.

just make it to where there's a ban if you even remotely post leaks, real or not. that shit gets fucking annoying and happens only when there's a new game.

>>28541231
>board allows multiple same threads to exist.
>board allows unnessary idiots like tailsposter to exist
>board is full of people who like their certain things, but it is okay to raid anyone for the reason of "I don't like that, stop liking what I don't like!"

Yeah, really well regulated anon. I am sure you love the heiloposter and the goodra poster for all their "regulated" points. Kys

>>28541279
Won't help much because they got "permission" for their shitposting, but sure.

>>28541279
Yeah this shit is ridiculous. Group of a handful of idiots trying to change 4chan into something it's not because they get triggered too much

>>28541278
>m-muh inspect element

>>28541278
Did you remember to reply >we to the OP, or are you just targeting posts that disagree with your ecchochamber hugbox opinion. Nice try at making a point but maybe come back when you actually have one

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>>28541260
How long does grade school last these days cause this guy can't be already out.

>>28541255
Oh I do use it, anon. Still takes the jannies half a fucking hour to respond. And even when they do respond, they fuck after about 15 minutes and the same shitposter sneaks right back in an hour later. And so the cycle repeats itself through the night.

>>28541332
>making a point
>against retards

kek, newfag mentality. All I want is you killing yourself like it should be, nothing more honestly.

This thread is pretty solid proof that you dont have the support of the majority OP. Not that having it would justify trying to enforce your own law, but at least now maybe you can understand why going to this much effort for something nobody wants is a bad idea.

>>28541375
Report the thread.

>>28541375
You and your underage friend samefagging doesn't support shit, it actually supports that you need longer school periods.

>>28541314
All of what you mentioned in a 4chan problem, not /vp/ you fuckwit.

>>28541397
>Not knowing how to spot samefaggotry in a thread
Jesus christ, just go back to where you came from. And come up with some more original insults like the same autistic stuff over and over again.
This thread is cancer, your suggestions are cancer and you are cancer.

>>28541293
No, what we need is for any real leaks to post definite proof in the first post, in image form. If they don't have anything to back up their shit, *poof* deleted and user banned for spam.

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>>28540473

>>28541364
Holy shit you never graduated from /b/ did you?

>This shit is still going on
Holy shit you autists are dedicated. Shame the majority of this board disagrees with you though, maybe you lot should just move away to another site?

>>28541421
Doubt Tailsposting is a 4chan problem anon

>>28541428
>us oldfags can spot le samefaggotry with our psychic powerz xD

You're triggered by mean words like the redditkid you are, this isn't the hugbox you came from retard.

>>28541475
Lurk more, seriously.

As it is right now it's too obvious and you're not doing a good job.

>>28541488
This has to be bait

>>28541488
There's really nothing psychic about it when the thread has an obvious unique ip counter that updates when someone with a unique ip makes a post.

I agree with him that you should make up more original insults though, they're a bit stale.

>>28541533
He's right though, you smell of new from a mile away, now go away and take your "oldfag trick" to spot samefags with you.

>>28541539
That's why it isn't going up everytime you post and cry about people wanting to change your sikret club.

And no, calling retards retards will always be funny and certainly you'll never stop being one.

>>28541054
>>28541231
>>28541332
>>28541488
Really doesn't need psychic powers when you use the same word over and over again. Though, could probably do the same with other key words you use. It is the problem with you, you like using "hugbox". Though I am sure you will remove all doubt by posting a picture showing these are not all you, but that just reinforces the fact that there should be some method of ID put into place.

>two underage kids who just got out of school ruined a thread that was going on from yesterday and had surprisingly pretty decent discussion

Color me surprised.

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What if /vp/ became a red board

>>28541596
>hugbox is an exclusive word

You literally quoted three different people who were arguing for different points claiming samefag, that's how fucking retarded you are.

>>28541604
Honestly yeah, who cares, the kids are never gonna leave anyway, might as well speed up the process and turn it immediately into a shithole, maybe some of them will fuck off when they're mommy catches them browsing porn.

>>28541576
I didn't know someone could be this much of an idiot.

>>28541598
Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they're the same person. There's also such a thing as timezones.

Not everyone wants these stupid changes just because you do want them. And a circljerk is no discussion.

>>28541638
Just look at the abort your mom calls son.

>>28541138
>>28541158
can confirm that porn got dumped very recently on a thread and it didn't 404 and the porn poster didn't get banned.

What exactly is wrong with /vp/? I never realized it was that bad. There's a lot of shitposting but it's an offbranch of /v/, so that kinda comes with the territory.

Is it the porn? That seems kind of inevitable with something like Pokémon as well.

/vp/ just seems like it has the same problems most boards of its type have.

There's a lot of baiting happening here

I feel like it's about time to put this in the thread already, or at least the things that have already been decides by strawpool since there seems to be a clear majority in all fours.

Personally, I feel like IDs are unecessary. People need to just git gud. But That's just me talking

>>28541680
Can you make the strawpoll and post in here? It would be greatly appreciated.

>>28541670
You can't just provide one example.

Also you don't know that the person posting it wasn't banned. Almost no bans are announced.

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>>28539843
I never though I'd see the day, but this is a reasonable post on /vp/.
Hope we can get some change going on.

Move the anime threads to /a/. I don't have problems with them having a general to discuss their autism, if it were contained to that thread only, but every single time the smallest shit happens in the anime they feel the necessity of spamming threads outside their general. And for what I know, they do it on /a/ and /v/ too.

Move the PokeAni threads to /a/.

>>28540503
fake leakers, people going by multiple identities and also in threads like Showderp where people constantly whine and moan (this has been a common problem, specifically when people either leak the thread or give constant shitmons)

>>28541620
Aww, no picture showing proof? You didn't use different devices and IPs did you?

>>28539843
>remove e-celebs and youtuber bullshit
why the fuck isn't there a strawpoll for this in the OP?
everyday we get like 10 new threads about versomething and they're always extremely cancerous and off-topic

>>28541717
You need to look past the samefagging underage shitposters to find good replies on /vp/.

>>28541596
Are you even trying? The people you quoted are obviously not the same person, they're even arguing against each other.

>>28541733
>wasting time to take pictures with shitposters when they'll just say "hurr durr le paint xD"

Fresh from Reddit, I see

>Aww

>>>/tumblr/ and kill yourself on the way out, retard.

>>28541678
/vp/ has entirely too little moderation so you end up with a lot of shitty threads and people posting garbage non stop every day

>>28541741
He's just a retarded shitposter, the kind who thinks everyone who disagrees with him is a samefag because he's that new and that clueless about his own retardness, don't bother seriously.

>>28541722
/a/ poster here. Dumping your problems off your board and onto ours is a dick move and doesn't solve anything, it just shifts the blame. You guys need better solutions than "we don't want it, have some other board deal with it."

IDs are totally unnecessary and they should just make a HG board at this point.

If the current rules were consistently enforced it would be fine. No porn, no blatant shitposting.

>>28539773
We should have a set schedule for specific character threads such as Lusamine or Wicke, and fun game threads such as HG or Showderp.

>>28541741
>>28541761
Still no proof. I enjoy this, not one of the other "posters" have come forward to disprove this. That is funny.

>>28541680
How are the strawpolls going anon?

>>28541717
I know right, it is kind of refreshing. If only the troll, or trolls would stay at schoo.

I really hope i'm not alone in thinking threads that complain about corocoro not having leaked yet should be removed

>"WHERE'S THE LEEEEAAAKS!"
Go fuck yourself, your shitposting won't make it happen any faster

>>28541850
Please don't try and limit Shoedrip threads. They did nothing wrong.

>>28541705

I mean the pools in the OP posts. Can't really make one properly from my phone.

Also, the fact that Gotta Catch'em All is no longer enforced is the biggest pile of shit. Shit should be one of the eternal rules.

The current rules are fine, mods just need to do their fucking jobs. If they aren't gonna guide our hips and encourage good discussion by getting rid of shitposting/bait/porn threads then why are they here?

Generals create circlejerks where "regulars" get overprotective of their own posts/opinions and hostile towards those of others. The very idea of a general thread goes against the randomness of an anonymous message board. Even if you put on trips, if you put on IDs, if you namefag, you'll always be able to recognize certain posters by virtue of their posting styles or even the images they attach to their posts.

On other boards not dedicated to a specific topic, they are looked down upon for this reason. They are cancer.

If you want the angry anon shitposts to fuck off from /padt/, stop replying to the bait. I, for one, think most generals on /vp/ contain themselves rather well and always have a guaranteed rush of content to discuss. I don't know what it is about certain topics that attract shitposters, but you just have to live with them.

Also I don't know why people are so triggered by porn on this forum, at least human character porn. Either way, stop browsing 4chan at work, faggot.

>>28541862
Kill yourself, seriously.

>>28541907
You aren't alone. It messes up the board for no good reason.

>>28541951
Pick a different thread to reply to. There's plenty.

>>28541931
>Also I don't know why people are so triggered by porn on this forum, at least human character porn. Either way, stop browsing 4chan at work, faggot.

THIS. The SFW/blue board thing is a fucking meme at this point, I wouldn't be caught dead on the cleanest 4chan board at work.

>>28541939
Nah, I will enjoy a long life if only because such an outcome is annoying to you troll.

>>28541919
No problem anon, thank you for trying. >>28541930
Mods aren't doing their jobs, that isn't new. Probably won't change. It is the reason why IDs are even on the table.

>>28541919
The OP polls show a clear picture though, no IDs and only fully NSFW shit banned

>>28539843
Stop reposting this every thread. Not everyone agrees on your bans on memes you don't like.

>>28542047
Kill yourself, seriously.

>>28541862


52% (85votes) for NO IDs

51% (91 votes) for cycling janitors every 6-12 months

68% (112 votes) to consideração only fully NSFW Pictures/content as such

47% (79 votes) to ban all Said content, send it to /trash/, etc

>>28542055
I agree that pepe posting isn't a problem here, but he makes a lot of good points to why this boars is mostly trash

>>28542062
I wouldn't take anything you say seriously.

>>28542078
Thank you anon, you are a good guy.

Honestly the billion leak/luchalitten daily threads are a much bigger problem than Pepe could ever be. Pepe is barely a minor meme on /vp/. We get more Pachas than Pepe, for fuck's sake.

The big problem is that we have a lot of repeated shit threads at all times

>>28542188
Kill yourself, seriously.

>>28541989
But that's the problem
1 threads about corocoro not releasing yet are everywhere, all the time those few days before
2 none of them, not a single one has any purpose at all

>>28542197
BUt pepe is a white nationalist symbol, Luchalitten isn't.

>>28542078
So first three seem overwhelming majority and last one a slight majority

>>28542255

>BUt pepe is a white nationalist symbol, Luchalitten isn't.

Who gives a fuck? It's just a shitty meme that doesn't shit up the board as much as others

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>>28534437 and >>28534534 anon here.
I'll only say it's very easy to fail hard, have an excess of moderation and get to a "No fun allowed" point.
The Capslock guy is right here >>28541138. Moderation is good as it is.

What we need to do is 2 things:
1. Rewrite our /vp/ rules in a way that leaves less space to subjective interpretation, specially regarding to the "No anthro/furry allowed", as Pokemon like Lucario, Lopunny, Gardevoir, Medicham and Braixen are themselves anthropomorphized animals. We need to clarify the proper exceptions.
2. As for 4chan as a whole, the site should encourage people to filter things they don't like. The "I don't like thing, so I'll shit on your thread" is a problem of 4chan as a whole, and instead of an excessive use of banhammer, we should tell this people this feature exists, so they don't rage when a post they don't like appears.

Don't get me wrong, the "I don't like thing" people are vital for constructive discussion, and are a key part of freedom of expression, which many would agree in sites like Reddit is tainted by the upvoting system. The "I'll shit on your thread", though, is noxious for such a healthy discussion, and must be punished.

Remember. What makes 4chan prevail over other sites is our freedom to express our ideas without them being a burden in the long run, and that's what's nice of being Anonymous. Don't let the temptation of excess of moderation take us out this freedom.

>>28541138
>>28541158

Daily reminder that reporting is apparently a bannable offense on /vp/

>>28542418
I have reported a lot of times and I had a warning just once.

>>28542393
That's why I personally think idms would help us self moderate.

Although I would rate our mods like a 5.5/10 they delete threads whenever they want and are very inactive.

But I'd rather have this than overbearing mods.


I honestly think ID'S would overall help discussion and help filter shitters constantly. It would be a small sacrifice for less anonymity, but more discussion.

It's a double edge sword that can help limit dumb shitposters. but master fishermen would remain untouched

>>28542464
A shame then that the vast majority disagrees with you.

A shame for you at least. Not so much a shame for the site as a whole

>>28542529
What? I'm confused

>>28542464
I think they're not necessary, as it, instead of discouraging samefags would encourage them to shitpost in order to win those sweet (You)s.
If they're needed, people would voluntarily use tripcodes.

/vp/ doesn't need to be fixed, /vp/ is good for what it is. What it needs, if anything, is more moderators and janitors who can be there to nip the bud whenever some proxy faggot is spamming porn or other garbage.

It doesn't need IDs and it doesn't need new/stricter rules. Stop trying to fix what isn't broken.

>>28542571
Disagrees with having IDs

>>28542097
>one-sentence posts with a reaction image, usually posted multiple times in a row

Pepes as a reaction images in actual discussion threads are legit. Pepes as threads just to shit up the board SHOULD be a bannable offense.

>>28542613
People has to learn how to sage and ignore.

>>28542464
IDs would not solve this. Someone could just reset their IP and roll a new ID if they have a reason to and want to, and threads would just derail into "filtered" and weird cut-off conversation chains because someone replied to a different anon that you have filtered.

>>28542644
I'm trying to say if they're going to Change their ID, how is doing literally anything else to stop them going to do anything like spamming porn

>>28539773
I really hope you don't decide to allow SFW suggestive porn on this board. It's become the cancer of /vp/, and it derails so many damn threads.

>>28542393
I agree with this anon.

>>28542216
Repeat yourself, seriously.

>>28542589
But we don't need to be known inbetween threads. We just need to have continuity inside a single thread

>>28542393
In regards to 1, I'd suggest defining the rule as this:
"No pornographic images, period. This includes cropped porn".
"No anthrofied images of Pokemon that are not natively anthropomorphic. Gijinkas are fine".

>>28542724
>"No pornographic images, period. This includes cropped porn"
Fuck off, there's nothing wrong with cropped porn. Get some humour.

>>28542743
This. There's a line between shitposting and fun

>>28542724
>This includes cropped porn
In my opinion, cropped porn is part of this board's culture, and should be allowed, as long as genitals are not shown. Cropped porn gives us the best reaction images.

Ok, so the general gist of what I'm seeing is
>Remove e-celeb/youtuber/Poketuber threads
>Ban all straight-up NSFW
>Encourage use of the report button
>Enforce all /vp/ rules, especially GOTTA CATCH EM ALL
Most of which boils down to
>Have actually active mods

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>>28542724
>wanting to ban cropped porn
Wew, do your parents allow you to visit 4chan or do you hide your browsing from them?

>>28542393
>Gardevoir
>Medicham
>are anthromorphized animals
No. You're making Gardevoir some sort of strawman when it's a legitimate Pokémon.

>>28542812
You seem like the type who doesn't leave the house much. Porn, even cropped, on a non-porn board, only serves to derail threads. So grow up.

>>28542743
>>28542762
>>28542767
>>28542812
Cropped porn is not bad because it's "offensive" or whatever, hell if it were up to me I'd make /vp/ a red board, but it's a fact that porn crops derail threads with thirsty faggots who ask for sauce. It's shitposting, period.

>>28542850
>derails threads

You have been on many other boards have you

>>28542850
>>28542863
Jesus christ, why do you people insist on trying to make 4chan into something it isn't?

It's really all no fun allowed with you guys, isn't it?

I love cropped porn.

It's just that it incites too much shitposting.
>sauce
>sauce
>sauce
>other people posting cropped porn
>sauce
>sauce
>sauce
>someone posts sauce, threads gets deleted

>>28542919
Literally when

>>28542911
If you want to cut down on furshit you should be consistent, or else people will just use crops as a loophole (as they already do).

You also have yet to explain why it should be allowed and how it isn't just thread derailment material. Please do.

ban all e-celeb/twitter etc. threads

ban straight up porn images

ban injectors, hackers and other cheaters from /wfg/

>>28542967
What's wrong with injecting?

>>28542700
Kill yourself, seriously.

>>28542984
Doesn't belong in the wi-fi general

Keep people who play legit and people who don't separate

>>28542984
Nothing. Generals should self moderate.

>>28542993
Just give them their own thread

>>28542993
Yeah, keep them separate. Don't ban them though.

You can't ban people just because they play the game differently than you.

>>28543005
Evidently doesn't work you moron. We've been dealing with that for ages now. Some persistent salty injector shitting up /wfg/ day after day

>>28543016
They have it, but some people refuse to not shit up /wfg/
those people need to be banned

>>28541723
showderp is literally a containment thread, shitposting is part of the culture there

>>28543027
>You can't ban people just because they play the game differently than you.

You can if they do it in the general dedicated to playing the game legit. That's the whole point.

>ban them FROM /wfg/
= if you bring that shit into /wfg/, you get banned
if you stay in the injecting threads, no problem

>>28542962
Literally every time, newfriend

>>28543070
>I know you are what am I

>>28543031
then report and ignore them for being off topic if they do it simply to bait. This is about restructuring /vp/ as whole, not giving special treatment to your precious little general. Filter, self moderate and ignore.

>>28542919
This is a very rare thing and its usually just 1 post.

I remember on /jp/? (maybe /a/) a long time ago there was a sticky requesting people to post source of "cropped" images if they are using them. Something like that could be done, but it would probably be ignored as there isn't really a big issue with the base problem and more people would be upset about cropped images being banned.


This problem just applies to what >>28542809 said as in the mods not banning the retards asking for sauce because we don't have enough/there aren't enough active mods.

>>28542393
Anon, can you repost this thread when it drops off the board? It is a great thread, if only to get people actually talking about how to change the board for the better. You are doing god's work.

>>28543131
It's not rare at all.

It may be for someone who doesn't browse a lot but I see this a lot.

>>28543103
You're being intellectually dishonest if you seriously claim porn crops don't derail threads. Porn crops as a phenomenon exists solely to derail and let people brag about their porn preferences on blue boards.

>>28543153
Search "sauce" on the archive, there are very very few cases where someone posting a cropped image will derail a thread like you described in >>28542919

Normally it's just one retard that asks for sauce and gets ignored or someone gives them a link to another website containing the full image (which is allowed). There's no big issue here.

>>28543156
They're just reaction images. wheree do you get off calling me a newfag who doesn't post here much

>>28543298
By your posts

>>28543156
I have literally one porn crop reaction image that I saved from /vg/ because I wanted to add to my ISHYGDDT collection. I post is as I would any other costanza image.

>>28543257
"sauce" is not an all-encompassing search term for people asking for source and misrepresents it completely. It doesn't even have to be people asking for tags or artist names, the fact that it's more interesting than the topic and that people are commenting on it ("my dick") is what the issue is.

Again, I don't even care about the rule, but if you want to cut down on furfags you have to be consistent or __we will just use it as a loophole.

>>28543156
You are insane. Cropped porn are just fun reaction images, has nothing to do with derailing threads.

Seriously, this is ridiculous

>>28543314
Been here since BW2 leaks bucko

>>28543320
Nice blog.

>>28543354
LMAO

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>>28543357
Nice rebuttal. Really solidifies your argument.
inb4 you call me a phone posting nigger, I'm at work

>>28540068
Are you retarded? You think of all the dipshits that apply that want to get into the '4chan team' for malicious reasons, so they weed through thousands of applications, they pick someone who they hope will do nothing?

I get the fucking hateboner for mods and janitors, I really do, and like everyone else I don't think every single one of them is good, but come on. There's probably a shitload of people on /b/ but that doesn't stop it from being garbage 24/7. If it's just a couple of people, you think you get perfect round the clock coverage on /vp/? Be realistic: this board has garbage origins unlike /a/ or /v/, the latter of which wasn't always as bad as it is now. And yet I'm sure even those boards have as many issues, with a much much larger user base as well.

It's 4chan, shits never gonna be perfect. You expect jannies to be autists who clean fucking waifuspam for 12 hrs before they get off the clock for the Euro janitor to take the night shift? When it comes down to it, semantics aside, we all have 'lives', even if that just means taking a walk, feeding a cat, jerking off, watching TV, and playing video games. Hell, for many people add in jobs, friends.

How're you suppose to be a GOOD mod for /a/ if some of your time isn't watching anime and knowing the board culture you watch over? Video games for /v/? Cyclists, train enthusiasts for /n/? Watching films, whatever, for /tv/? You can't just sit there 24/7 and janitor and do a good job.

The fix is obvious; more people. I don't see it as 'lack of enthusiasm' or bad candidates, although I understand how after a year of cleaning shit on a board that never gets better and shitposters whine at every waifu thread deleted would make someone tired. But we won't get more people. Janitors leave, you get more, yeah, but you can't just hire 10 more for /vp/ and clean shit in a day. I bet this board would fucking riot after a week. Disagreements over which threads got deleted when, 'HE DOES IT FOR FREE' spam

>>28543344
You can't just dismiss someone's opinion as insane and ridiculous when it has merit.

I agree with that poster. Derailing threads may not bother you but it does to most of us. And a lot of the things that derails a thread are porn related which includes cropped porn reaction images.

>>28539773
"/pol/-posting is a bannable offense, because it's off topic" either needs to be a rule if it's not one, or enforced if it is

>>28543398
>You can't just dismiss someone's opinion as insane and ridiculous
Why yes I can actually. And I'll do it again; it's insane and ridiculous and wanting to ban it is retarded. It's part of the board-culture.

You people already want to ban Pepe, now you're going after cropped porn, next thing you know smug anime girls will be on the chopping block. Just go away if you can't stand 4chan, because those things are exactly what make 4chan the way it is

>>28543387
As weird as it sounds they gotta be trained too. Imagine janitoring on /vg/ man, that shit would be hell. These threads have developed a fucked up ecosystem over like 2,000 generals and all have their own standards for what is cool and what isn't.

Board is a fucking shitshow. I wouldn't ever apply to be on there. What a damn waste of time it'd be to clean up their diapers, in your own goddamn free time. One waifu pic gets deleted and half the generals riot. One ban evader who's been doing this for a year shits up threads just for no reason because he was so rejected in his own general. That's just the tip of the iceberg. It's not like you can hire a janitor for each specific general, so you gotta find a couple who 'kinda' know the whole board and hope they are autistic enough to stick around and at least kind of learn what flys around certain areas.

>>28543298
>>28543320
>>28543344
>ITT: people who don't post porn crops think they know why people post porn crops
People make and post porn crops because they want to post porn and not get banned. People don't make and post them because they are ebin reaction images.

t. someone who posts porn crops

>>28540224
I see what he means

>>28543454
Oh just fuck off. Just because you do it for that reason doesn't mean everyone does.

>>28541080
>muh
>pol
Your shitposting brings nothing to threads and only serves to fuel the ones you cry about.

>>28543454
Second reply, want me to post the one and only porn crop I have saved? I posted it here and somebody gave me shit because it was loli apparently(?) so I don't want to post it, I didn't know it was a porn crop until I was warned that I may be banned.

>>28543454
Oh just fuck off

>t. Newfag

>>28543482
Cool, but you're still wrong. Porn crops do derail, no matter what the intention of the poster is, and you can not disprove this no matter how much you try to claim it's "board culture" or "fun".

>>28543482
>>28543531
>Oh just fuck off
not even subtle samefagging

>>28541255
I report every image as it makes its slow way to bump limit, and it archives out before any action is taken? Sure sounds like it works to me.


I can't figure out why the porn posters can't just go to /trash/ where it's legal. But I also can't figure out why Quests on /tg/ can't go to /qst/ where it's legal.

Can't believe the amount of "shitposting is fine!" "shitposting is part of 4chan culture" in these threads. So many summerfags who think /b/==4chan.

On topic, however, I do not see us coming to a consensus on IDs. There's two different philosophies at work here, so the status quo will probably remain on that front.

>>28541333
Has a smartphone because entitled kids these days. Posting at recess.

>>28543562
>I can't figure out why the porn posters can't just go to /trash/ where it's legal.
Because they're not trying to post porn, they're trying to derail the thread. That's all there is to it I'm afraid.

>>28543540
Neither can you prove that they do. What's more, if you just go to the archives and search for sauce you'd see that you're full of shit

>>28543577
>I do not see us coming to a consensus on IDs
The overwhelming majority is against it. Just look at the polls and the threads. out of all topics that one is the one where there is the most agreement on.

>>28543577
Don't worry, mods can see IP. They can recognize all these vocal samefags.

>>28543558
Man if only we had ID's :^)

>>28543602
No no, not derailers. I know that. Mostly thsts just them trying to attract a mod. Kind of like a bee stinging someone. It does in the process but the offender leaves.

I mean the ones starting threads for the express purpose of posting poke-porn. Why are they here?

>>28543688
Oh, those.

Summer I guess.

>>28543640
That applies to literally all boards then you baka.

>>28543577
Can't believe the amount of "no fun allowed!" "strict rules and shitloads of banned things are part of 4chan culture!" in these threads. So many summerfags who think reddit==4chan

>>28541166
Mabye /vp/ shouldn't be a blue board.

Or at least there should be a non-blue /vp/ board where people can post their lewd pokewaifu/pokegirls and talk about how we would spend a night with Wikle, Viola, Elle and Grace in peace.

>>28543696
Happens all year. It's like Summer never leaves anymore. Then the next wave of Summer is even worse because they're learning to post by watching the previous Summer.

>>28543613
see >>28543335
Searching "sauce" doesn't prove or disprove shit. Unless you manually go through every porn crop and check what replies it gets you won't be able to quantify this and will have to rely on experience. As someone who had actually hanged around in porn crop threads for the last half-decade, I think I understand "porn crop culture" or whatever the fuck you want to call it much better than you.

>>28543723
Jokes != abject shitposting. Do you even know what shitposting is?

>>28543738
If we can just get the pokeporn threads moved to trash ASAP I think it'll fix the problem

We should be allowed to post nipples. Amd ban HG cause those faggots have a massive undeserved ego.

>>28543688
They like to stir up shit and pass it off as "board culture XP" and "it's not against the rules lol". And anyone who calls them out is le reddit no fun allowed.

Isn't that obvious? There's no winning with them.

>>28543335
There's always just the loophole of posting imgur links as well, banning cropped porn will just serve to piss people off and won't fix the baseline issue.

There just needs to be better moderation and encouragement of using the report button. I'm sure a competent mod can figure out when someone is trying to shit up a thread and deal with them respectively.

>>28543640
IDs will mostly negatively effect people who want to post and remain complete anonymous in a thread, making a post and then being able to make another post without your first post being tied to your second post in a nice freedom on 4chan.
It's also very easy for disruptive posters to get around IDs and still cause problems, so it will at best deal with lazy people who want to derail threads.

>>28543757
>Do you even know what shitposting is?
Do you? Cropped porn reaction images certainly aren't, nor are most of the things you nazis want to ban

>>28543792
>We should be allowed to post nipples
Why not go on a red board for your porn, anon?

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>>28542829
I took inspiration for the 1st point precisely from Gardevoir threads. 50% of posts there are BAN THOSE FUCKING FURRIES, WAIFUFAGS, ETC, and that's why a solid line must be traced to divide what's furfaggotry and what's not. (And in this concrete context, if slap some femenine features into a Gardevoir is considered anthro)

>>28543688
If I was in charge of 4chan, I'd implement some basic image pattern recognition algorithms to automatically filter images such as the Tails comic. MD5 doesn't work, as you can edit the image, put a single dot in Paint and it has a totally different MD5 signature.

>>28543801
You pretending to be retarded won't change facts, but by all means continue.

>>28543801
I think cropped porn should be on a thread-by-thread basis. If it starts to derail the thread, delete the offending post. But don't delete it in general when it's not causing a problem.

It's one of the few things that can be both an innocent reaction image and an exodia-tier thread derailer depending on the thread population.

>>28543864
This is the case with everything, and always has been. If something gets posted with the express purpose to derail, then it needs to be removed.
Just putting blanket bans on everything from Pepe to cropped porn is just totally insane.

>>28543864
>>28543947
I definitely think it shouldn't be ban material. Post removal, a warning against derailment at absolute most.

Pepe is mostly irrelevant itself, it's more about the thread's text content and intent. It's more that Pepe OPs tend to also be shit.

Poképhiles need to be purged ASAP and go back to /trash/ where they belong.
Cropped porn needs to go too, since it attracts said pokephiles and are most of the time posted by them in first place.

I'd also like it if all underageb& shitposters fucked off but that would probably mean more than half of /vp/ disappearing so yeah.

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REMOVE FURRIES
REMOVE FURRIES
REMOVE FURRIES

BAN MOBILEPOSTING
BAN MOBILEPOSTING
BAN MOBILEPOSTING

There. /vp/'s problems are solved. No thanks necessary.

>>28544008
Anon, half the board would leavr with the poképhiles as well

>>28544008
there's plenty of non-poke cropped porn too though

>>28544008
This. Get fucking rid of phox and all the shitposting and shit userbase that comes with phox will go. Fags into that shit aren't here to discuss Pokemon, they're here to masturbate to animals.

>>28543792
You can't make this stuff up.

>>28544068
They can come back after they finished wanking and actually want to discuss games and go to /trash/ when they want to yiff or whatever furries do.

What are HG threads even for btw? I've never opened one.

>>28544063
>>28544093
Doesn't fix anything. The threads that revolve around single pokemon are allowed, which means that those who wish to talk about them can. We need more definition of what is furry and what isn't. By the by, gardevoir or phox threads aren't furry.

>>28543723
But reddit is pepe spamming and circle jerk upboating.

>>28543793
But it IS against the rules. I don't think you're on the ball here.

>>28544149
In that case, Gardevoir and Delphox should be banned just like G00dra.

Any
>would you?
threads with a Pokemon for the OP should be banned, Pokepheilia imo.

>>28543826
If chat roulette can recognize penises, then 4chan should be able to recognize frogs and reoccurring illegal copypasta

>>28544275
>ban pokémon threads on a pokémon board because I don't like them!

Fucking retarded. And if we'd ban that, pokégirl threads should be banned as well (they're actually lewder than those single pokémon thread all the time).

>>28539843
I don't agree with the idea that IDs infringe on anonymity.

Everyone still gets a random ID and the same name by default. The only reason you could be worried about it people being able to identify your posts in a thread is if you're only shitposting in the first place.

It'd also help people to filter out a specific poster in a thread, such as if they're someone dumping NSFW images in a SFW board and there's no moderators around to clean it up.

It'd be better to have IDs since it'd encourage more responsibility for posts. It'd create a better sense of population so that people can know if they're talking to one person or many. I reckon this would help the flow of conversation.

At the same time, I don't think things would be much different without it.

Ultimately it'd be impossible to know how things would happen beyond just trying it and seeing if it works or not.

As much as I hate them, to remove poke-waif threads would be like removing showderp. It's a dedicated shitposting thread, but it definitely belongs.

That said, showderp keeps itself to one thread at a time, only making new when the old hits bump cap.

So I say make waifu posting all have to transpire in one thread, say, a Waifu General, and only make new Waifu General threads when the old one hits bump cap. Seems like a good compromise.

>>28544368
No one cares, IDs aren't coming and the vast majority is against IDs anyway

>>28544361
I'm fine with that.

>>28544391
Is there a poll to prove this?

>>28544376
Showderp is the perfect example of a self-contained sub-community here. I wish every other general were like Showderp.

>>28544399
Yes, in the OP

>>28544368
/b/ and /pol/ have them.
Are you saying the entire site has now become that cancerous?

>>28544425
Ah, I missed that. Thank you.

>>28544368
But then if i'm a total idiot and realize i'm wrong I can't abandon that persona and pretend to be a completely different poster. I have to carry my idiocy with me the rest of the thread. Make one mistake and you're black balled the rest of the discussion.

>>28544490
This is why I oppose IDs myself. They are too much of a bludgeon solution to samefagging.

>>28544410
Amen.

And that things that should be consolidated into a single general did so, instead of making 10 threads each pertaining to a different facet of their thing.

>>28544490
Or you could admit you were wrong? Anonymity is not for being stupid and hopin no one notices

>>28544249
Are they? Are porn crops actually against the rules?

Well, you know, that just makes it worse. Mods and jannies are worthless.

>>28544636
>forgiveness on the Internet
>forgiveness on 4CHAN

you're quite a dreamer aren't you?

>>28544644
I'm not the guy talking about porn crops numbskull you got your reply chain mixed up. I'm talking about starting threads with blatant pokemon on pokemon porn. Like that guy who posted a superior/sceptIle gif a few days back.

>inb4 other idiot says ID's would fix that

>>28544396
You aren't fine with anything pokemon, please go back to /vg/ and never return.

>>28544907
Well not being a faggot is something

>>28545050
there is a lot more to pokemon than porn and waifus nigga, girl or mon.

And neither of those belong here.

>>28545171
so are you for site-wide IDs then?

>>28544965
I think it was you that got your replies mixed up, buddy.
I was talking about the porn crop derailers from the start.

>>28545253
I am not fighting for porn on the site, any thing that could get you fired for NSFW violation could be gone. However I don't think the honest gardevoir and phox fans are about that anyway. So any statement that they should be banned isn't healthy. And it doesn't belong to us to decide how they enjoy their pokemon.

>>28543688
>>28543696
>>28543793
>>28544249
>>28544644
>>28544965
>>28545342

>>28545433
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlxoyw_8I7I&t=49s

>>28545364
Okay fine, what about this guy's compromise?>>28544376

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>>28545475

>>28543387
How many janitors are in one board anyways? Considering the traffic and user percentage, 8 people or so should be enough for /vp/, for example.

>>28545486
I could get behind that very easly. Have those who want to waifu things stay in the waifu general and let the one pokemon threads enjoy the peace of just enjoying talk in reference to their pokemon, but only one thread each. The waifu thread being like any other general and pokemon specific threads being once per week, or once per each thread going off the board. The last part to be determined by the board as a whole to ensure a true compromise.

>>28544063
Removing 80% of the board doesn't make the board better.

>>28544275
>Banning threads of specific Pokemon
Seriously just end yourself

>>28546230
right which is why >>28545364 is a better solution.

not removed. banning specific pokemon. just keep it from being everywhere, with 8 different thread dedidcated to veneration of their one specific pokegirl or mon.

Free bump.

This is just devolving into shit flinging. We need someone level headed to compile a list of the actual complaints and we can start hashing things out from there.

Though let's be real, if we actually had someone that even-keeled, they should just be a mod anyway.

>>28540109
/wfg/ is for all


End this bullshit when S&M is out. Right now it's so dead it doesn't matter.

Literal autists have taken over the general hub for battle/trade/interactions on /vp/ with this muh purity bullshit. They harass anyone asking about a 6iv ditto or cloned 20th anniversary event.

The autists need to leave.

>>28542812
>but it's a fact that porn crops derail threads with thirsty faggots who ask for sauce

>>28542850
>Porn, even cropped, on a non-porn board, only serves to derail threads


You literally replied to cropped porn without derailing the thread.

>>28549601
Yeah I need to agree, banning cropped porn is too much of a slippery slope. What if the cropped pic is suggestive, but wouldn't even be porn that's banned here? What if the pic looks like cropped porn, but was just made that way as an individual picture?

There's no way to tell. Focus should be on moderating against derailment, not the image's contents so long as it's sfw.

1) No other board besides /pol/ has unique IDs with good reason. It's antithetical to the nature of 4chan.

2) This board does not have anywhere near the kind of problems found in /pol/. Those advocating for IDs are either incredibly controlling, incredibly retarded, or incredibly new to 4chan. Take a guess which one.

3) The board is slow. "Oh no, someone made a thread of lewd pokegirls! Better ban it! That'll improve this place!" No, it won't. It will just be dead with a bunch of banned posters removed.

4) This board will get much better 18 November 2016 and not a day before. S&M will bring an incredible amount of traffic. Most posts bitching about this board are whining that is a stagnant malaise. Additional moderation will only make it worse.

5) If anything, this board suffers from too much moderation. Lewd/cute/ecchi/fanart/official art all can be bannable offenses depending on the mod if you start this bullshit of banning anything that gives you a boner. As long as it's not something you'd find on /d/, just ignore it and count to 10.

>>28549870
>The board will get better when the game comes out!
People say this every time, and every time the board only gets worse.

>>28549974
Pretty sure this board was comfy as all fuck Christmas 2013 after XY released

>>28549975
This.

>>28549975
yeah, sfw is highly subjective. Some people would say that image is porn; others would say even blushing makes a pic technically not-safe-for-work.

Does the board have a specific rule for what counts as nsfw?

>>28540465
t. samefagging shitposter

>>28550321
>Does the board have a specific rule for what counts as nsfw?
Nipples and exposed genitalia are nsfw. Anything else is postable.

There's a gray areas though. For example, if someone draws a stickfigure with a dick in MSPaint as part of a joke or something, that's no big deal. We just need a good mod who can uphold the rules while preserving the spirit of 4chan.

>>28539843
Go home you fucking shitposter and stop pretending people agree with you

>>28550540
Alright, so we'll operate on that basis.

>>28550540
so if I post a picture of an eeveelution with cum all over her face it's a-ok?

>>28550755
>her
No.

>>28550755
Easy answer, no.

>>28549601
because it was shit porn that no-one wants the source of

>>28550590
Lol, you really haven't been reading the thread have you?

On another note, we need someone somewhag level headed to keep track of the stuff everyone is okay with so far. Did anyone have a problem with this post? >>28545929

Okay lads, I have an idea. Hear me out.

What if we held moderator tryouts? Imagine this.
>Mod hopefuls do a sweep of the board and make a list of any actions they would take (ban this poster, delete this thread, move this to /trash/, etc)
>Must also explain their reasoning behind each action
>Candidates post their lists in a thread and use a trip for identification
>/vp/ can judge each candidate and provide feedback
>Present the good ones to Mootwo and get some moderation that's actually representative of what the board wants and needs

After reading Mootwo's posts in that thread, it looks like he's expecting moderation to come from the boards themselves. Plus, this makes sure that any potential mod or janitor actually understands the board and gives a measure of transparency for what's allowed and expected.

>>28551269
The problem is being a Mod is a really thankless and probably degrading job. We need some self moderation

>>28550926
>>28551161
then what if I post a pokemon making a lewd ahegao expression? a pokegirl? some random girl from a doujin? what if it's ironic and just meant to showcase a funny expression?

fact is you won't be able to draw a clear line on what should be fine and what isn't, which is why you either rule out anything resembling porn crops or let all of them pass no matter what content. judging them on a case by case basis is just going to mean a bunch of pointless extra work for the moderators and butthurt anons crying over how they got banned but that other anon who did the same thing didn't.

>>28551269
that is one of the dumbest suggestions ever and is so far remove from what 4chan "is" it's borderline parody. neck yourself

>>28550540
the image pruned in a thread made specifically not to have shit deleted in it did not have exposed genitals. It had a small amount of pubic hair

>>28551269
Sounds like a plan. Though this would be part one of the plan and really not the end of the plan.

>>28551349
I'm looking at it right now. The vagina is clearly outlined. The panties are so tight and so transparent (whether that be from the material or the sweat just soaking them) that they might as well be see through.

Saying "there's no exposed genitals" would've been the flimsiest technicality i've seen in a while.

Having concrete rules seems impossible unless it's so specific and so nuanced to account for every scenario. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if it was composed of vague definitions and would be up to the mod's discretion and interpretation anyway.

>>28551317
If you're willing to self-moderate, you're not the problem. We need good moderation for those who are actively disruptive.

>>28551822
Good moderation is never going to come out of some sort of public election process. Hiro will have to do another janitor drive, pick a random bunch of people and then weed them out one after the other until the honest ones remain.

>>28551603
You're literally arguing over pixels at this point

>>28551348
>that is one of the dumbest suggestions ever and is so far remove from what 4chan "is" it's borderline parody. neck yourself
How about giving a single actual reason why this is a bad idea instead of claiming to understand the "spirit of 4chan" while telling someone to neck themselves?

>>28539843
We need either a more vigilant Jannie or more active Mods to help stomp out Tails posters when they appear.

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>>28549870
THIS THIS THIS THIS
Report and ban porn and we are practically one of the best boards in the site also enforce GOTTA CATCH EM ALL that's a given
All of you who want more rules and more bans only want to have a safe space, if you want that go to reedit.

>>28539843
>ID's

/pol/ is the only board that should have ID's because not having them harms their flow of discussion by a wide margin since it's such a troll, shitpost, and opinion heavy board. As well as a board built around arguing and debate. You need to see who is who there because you're debating.

No other board should have them. It breaks anonymity way too much.

I can agree with most of your other shit but if genwars start up naturally than we should be able to discuss them. Instigating is one thing, but discussing why gen V is flawed or why gen IV did a certain thing better is valid discussion for this board.

>>28551886
It wouldn't be an election, just another filtration system. It would also be a chance to use actual examples of the kind of day-to-day moderation people want to see. Hiroshimoot admits that he doesn't understand what we want. That's why he's saying we should decide for ourselves on a board-by-board basis. Plus, even if he's going to just pull some names out of a hat, we can still put some decent names in that hat while we're at it.

/vp/ is overall a slow board outside of the months leading up to new a gen. Too many rules will make it a dead board.

The community just needs to be more hostile to newfags in order to minimize shitposting. I see so many namefags, tripfags, lols, and emoticons that don't get called out in every other thread.

>>28552196
>if genwars start up naturally than we should be able to discuss them. Instigating is one thing, but discussing why gen V is flawed or why gen IV did a certain thing better is valid discussion for this board.
I agree with this even if I don't agree which Gens he used to highlight his point

>>28551964
Do you mean the images in general? The topic IS about images and what counts as 2lewd4u and gets removed and what isn't.

Do you mean that specific image? That's a decent example of what could potentially be a polarizing image when it comes to moderation.

Inb4 Bitching About /vp/ General #5

>>28552342
Fucking THIS.

Honestly, I would love for a Nazi mod to go on a Rule 6 rampage for about a month just to lay down some ground rules. It's gone unpunished for so long that a lot of these newfags will likely never change.

I think it's hilarious how every thread, across the entire site that I've seen talking about this has taken the opportunity to discuss how they can be more restrictive and controlling of its fellow posters, with users coming out of the woodwork to campaign against things they personally don't like, because of course they can't just hide content they don't like, it bothers them that it's even there.

I mean you could totally use this opportunity to make things less restrictive, increasing image limits or flat out removing them so things like gardevoir threads stay in one thread that meets bump limit later so a new thread isn't created, you could be using this to get filesize limits increased, you could be using this to get webms with audio.

But no, the way to go is definitely more prohibition on content. like the answer to the question of bad mods is giving them more things to ban you over not less.

>>28552704
What the heck? Why bring this up? Restrictions on how people should act rarely have anything to do with bump limits or image limits, as those aren't the problem to begin with. The problem is with those who can't control themselves. The ones who have to make multiple threads, or hide what they don't like and thus attack threads they hate when they would make everyone happy if they hid them.

>>28552704
I'd say the real issue is that the janitors and mods are A) too out of touch to detect shitposting, and B) not around often enough to do something about it anyway.

There's no transparency. They're too erratic, we don't know what they want, and they can't know what we want because of Rule 8.

>>28552704
I agree completely with this anon and /vp/ could easily handle a 500 post bump limit with 300 image limit.


Half of the board's images just get reposted every few days right now

Editing the list:

New copypasta below
I think everyone is in agreement on the following:
>remove e-celebs and youtuber bullshit
>remove furry porn, stealth furry porn, waifu/husbando porn, but make sure to not ban discussion about volatile pokemon and waifus/husbandos (no gardeporn but can talk about garde and have threads about garde) NOTE that this does not mean banning ecchi/non-lewd image dumps, only the obvious offenders (leave room for ambiguity)
>ban low quality leak and shitposting leak threads
>increased moderation size for increased moderation coverage, especially at hot button times, as moderation response can be slow
>enforce GOTTA CATCH EM ALL
>enforce existing rules for /vp/
>ban of pepeposters

Things we are mixed on:
>ID's (anonymity vs accountability)
>HG threads (fun vs appropriateness for the board?)
>what defines lewd and non-lewd images (ambiguity for helping moderation leave safe dumps alone)


Please note that this the following is just my personal opinion and not something that /vp/ agrees with such as the list above.

After last night, I think a lot of people brought up how /pol/ has acted with flags and ID's and I think that while there can be merit with holding threads to ID's, there is also great likelihood for the system being abused and misused as a means of censorship and dismissing posts based on the individual. Someone brought up flags and while something like this can be fun in theory, one only needs to look at /int/ to know how bad things can become. Case in point, pic related.

I did see a really interesting suggestion from last thread however, and I think it merits some discussion. A lot of people vehemently oppose ID's for valid reasons. Someone suggested that if a certain IP was reported enough in one thread (say a shitposter in /padt/), then that poster would get an ID in that thread only to help individuals identify that shitposter as someone who has been marked as a troublemaker.

>>28554911
wait past limit nvm

>>28554585
make new thread