Restructuring /vp/ #3

What we need:
>Remove all mods and jannies and bring new ones
>No more fucking Verlisify threads, or threads about Joe. It’s plain shitposting at this point.
>Discussion about generations must be allowed, but these threads should be the most closely monitored. If they go on to shitposting territory, then delete them.
>No tailsposting
>No lizardfuckers
>No frogposting
>No "SPOILERS: NEW LEEKS XD" threads.
>No posting an image from a cartoon/anime, then quoting that post with the incorrect name of that cartoon/anime.
>No talking about GO outside the GO general.
>Anime general can only be made once a week; if they reach bump limit before the day they get their next thread, then good riddance.
>Allow Gardefag threads but make them weekly. Permaban anyone who tries to post Gardevoir outside their thread.
>No furfaggotry; ie. no sexually suggestive portrayals of Pokémon. If your Blaziken has tits then you won’t be able to post it.
>Waifu-claiming threads.
>Keep Pokégirl/men threads; content must NOT be porn OR appeal to feet, armpit, pregnancy, inflationfags, etc. It’s pretty vanilla, but that’s what works for this BLUE board. Pokégirl thread != Waifu-claiming thread.

>inb4 angry Gardefags
Talking about Pokémon is allowed and should be encouraged, but ALL Poképorn qualifies as anthro porn and that belongs in >>>/trash/.
This means that if a Pokémon is the main subject of your sexually suggestive image, then you must NOT post it here, as it is a violation of Rule 3.
However, Pokégirls and Pokémen DON'T violate that rule, because they're human, so as long as it’s not porn it’s fine.
>Nevertheless: Wicke threads must receive a similar treatment as the Pokémon Anime thread as long as the hype over her continues. Mods will have to look closely on these too.

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I think everyone is in agreement on the following:
>remove e-celebs and youtuber bullshit
>remove furry porn, stealth furry porn, waifu/husbando porn, but make sure to not ban discussion about volatile pokemon and waifus/husbandos (no gardeporn but can talk about garde and have threads about garde)
>ban low quality leak and shitposting leak threads
>increased moderation for increased moderation coverage, especially at hot button times
>enforce GOTTA CATCH EM ALL
>enforce existing rules regarding instigating genwars
>enforce existing rules for /vp/
>ban of pepeposters


Things we are mixed on:
>ID's
>HG threads

I think that HG threads should be on /trash/, and I have reported them as such in the past, but as a fair compromise I think having a weekly event wouldn't be unfair to both parties, provided it was well structured and contained.

I think the arguments behind ID's have merit, but I also think that as this is an anonymous board that doing so might infringe upon anonymity.

What might be an interesting compromise here is instead of ID's but friend codes being identifiers, or at the very least an option for OP's to make a thread be a Friend-Code-ID thread only where posters have to post the following.

Doing this unites /vp/ and brings us closer together allowing for more connection in the real world, but it also gives individuals an opportunity to enforce identification in a pokemon-related manner but not make it mandatory board wide.

I think moderation could take what we've all agreed upon in unison and begin to enforce that, but the things we are mixed on warrant further discussion.

>>28529926
>No posting an image from a cartoon/anime, then quoting that post with the incorrect name of that cartoon/anime.
Gee, someone hates fun

>>28530001
""""""""""""""fun""""""""""""""

>>28529998
this, and so close.

>>28530013
Yeah, it is fun. Try it yourself.

>>28529900
Allow Pokegirl and Pokemon porn.

Fuck you. It's all or nothing.

Make /vp/ a red board with 500 as the bump limit and 250 as the image limit

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>>28529926
>no everything

There I summed up all your shit
Fuck off

/vp/ is mostly fine

>>28529926
>allow Gardefag threads
>no sexually suggestive portrayals of pokemon

what did he mean by this?

>>28529926
>Hey guisss your general hit bump limit, well tough luck you have to week to make another, in the meantime shitpost another thread xdddddd.
Those rules about make one thread per week are retarded and will always be.

Everything else is fine

>>28529926
Theres alot of stupid rules.
No frogposting are you kidding me?

Theres so many stupid rules on their at this point id just say leave /vp as it is, if i come into make a thread about leafeon and someone else already did 5 days ago and i get banned when i didnt know thats stupid. Especially when everyones autism is going to be exploding over WE ALREADY HAD ONE THIS WEEK !!!!!!!!

Allow pokemon threads with suggestive images of pokemon that are still SFW.
Ban anyone that complains about them or shitposts in them.

Why?
Because you already do the same thing for pokegirl threads. Just makes things fair.

>>28529900
[specific pokemon] general threads being one day a week are fine. It will contain gardefag autism and is easily filterable. During times when the board moves slowly those threads may stay up for days. Hopefully that contains the autism further.

>>28529998
This, but allow HG threads, only fun thing to do while I wait for sun/moon

>>28530175
>hits bump limit midday
Make another once it's pruned. If it's on that day, no one will care. Making the same thread multiple times a day, everyday, with the same images is fucking pointless.

>>28530194
If you think that is a good idea then you may need to kill yourself my man. /vp/ - the Pokemon board where you can't talk about Pokemon.

>>28530182
>No frogposting are you kidding me?
Your opinion has no worth. Fuck off.

Put the v back in /vp/

No amine.
No pokegirl waifu circlejerks.
Bam 90% of the cancer gone right there.
Vidya only.
TCG can come too.
Host a minitour every month. Some interaction and/or confirmation that the mods exist in any capacity would greatly benefit the board, this also gives mods/jannies a reason to participate in the board. Anonymously of course.

Or, just go full tilt in the opposite direction. That's fine too. >>28530069

>>28530207
(You)

>>28530069
Only if one pokegirl and one pokeporn at a time and if someone makes an extra one while the other is still alive he gets the thread gets deleted and the poster banned

>>28530244
You are the one who might need to leave anon.
>>28530194
Anon, that sounds logical and reasonable.

>>28529926
>Anime general can only be made once a week; if they reach bump limit before the day they get their next thread, then good riddance.

This just screams "I hate the anime so people can't discuss it". Fuck off with your autism.

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>>28530257

Important question: what pokemon will jesse and james get next? will wobbuffet is kill?

>>28530286
It actually speaks reasonable anon.

>>28530286
>>28530299
assblasted animetard.
>>>/a/

>>28530323
I'd love to see your reasoning for that.

>>28530335
But it just ain't official now is it :^(

OP a dumb

Mods are global faggot

>>28530249
What are you 12 and want to "act mature"
Well whatever i guess good thing asian moot doesnt actually care about /vp.

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>>28530286
People don't discuss the anime in the anime general. They dump the same serena images over, shitpost, and circlejerk.

/padt/ was only good when it was a once a week thing to specifically discuss a new episode release.

>Pokegirl threads allowed
>Can't talk about GO outside of its general

???

>>28530337
That DEFINITELY screams "I hate the anime so people can't discuss it".

>>28530286
These is the kind of shit that makes /vp/ a fucking mess, just look at >>28530257
Hey, guess what this is a POKEMON board, and the POKEMON anime should be allowed, and if that triggers you well, congratulations, you have autism, and by the way, you know you can filter the word anime, right?

>>28530340
It is a thread like any other, odds are it will last for more then a week. If it doesn't, would you really say you need to talk about an anime episode more then one topic per week?

>>28530408
>>28530412
assblasted animetards
>>>/a/

oh wait that's right not even they want your shit there.

>>28530054

Fuck off, furfag.

Board is fine, stop being a fag OP.

>>28529926
yes x7
Holy shit, yes
I guess
I think the anime is trash, but I dunno why they need to be limited to once a weeks
I guess
Yes
Sure
As long at it's SFW, let people post about what they want in waifu/husbando threads

>>28530391
If the anime gets their thread(s) once a week maybe it will get rid of the retarded "first for" posts. The /padt/ thread info should also be contained to the OP. No need to have 4 posts about the VAs and other bullshit.

>>28529926
>No more fucking Verlisify threads, or threads about Joe. It’s plain shitposting at this point.
Joe threads I can agree with, but Verlis threads are actually funny. The only thing funny about Joe threads are like 2 of the mistakes he made 10+ years ago.

>>28530414
What? I don't think /vp/ has ever had a single thread that has stayed up for over a week without hitting bump limit or falling off page 10.

>>28529926
>Allow Gardefag threads but make them weekly. Permaban anyone who tries to post Gardevoir outside their thread.

Not if they bring Titdevoir into this mess.

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>>28530257
>No amine.
>actually thinking you can remove anime from 4chan

>>28530443
kys yourself furfag

>>28529900
wait who the fuck wanted user IDs in the first place?

Who the fuck wants to ban pokegirl lewds? Do these people even visit this board in between game releases?

Like literally who the fuck is making these polls.

The only problem with /vp/ right now is fake leakers and blatant shitposters (example: the guy who made like 10 threads with generic 'smogon' memes, the heliolisk poster, donutposters).

Fake leakers could easily be dealt with by just banning fake leakers. The really blatant ones who post the demo cases or the printouts of two different games with matching UPCs should just be permabanned immediately. I mean we can't clamp down on all of it without the board getting rid of all 'leaked' info pedopedia style.

Fetish material can be handled through a mandatory spoiler policy, I wouldn't even be adverse to a more liberal porn policy than what we have provided anything that's not appropriate in public (ie ecchi and wholesome fan art) is spoilered.

Furfaggots should be banned, and that includes anyone who makes Vers threads, even ironically or mockingly.

>>28530391
There's new info about the anime not only in the day it airs, but when Oha Shouta and Pokenchi air. And I'm not even counting when we get the new titles.

Yes, it has people shitposting. Yes, there's people just dumping pictures of specific characters, but that doesn't change that a lot of those retards are falseflagging.

If anything, you should ask people like Adamant about how often the threads should actually be, since he's the one that dumps most of the info in /padt/.

>>28530492
Going to make you mad, but gardevoir general stayed up for longer then a week a year or so ago.

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>>28530426
Not even a fan of the anime, but I kinda understand that in a pokemon board you should be able to discuss pokemon, yes even the anime, I just don't understand the hate, did the anime fuck your mom when you were little?

>>28530533
the anime attracts the worst kind of shitposters and waifufaggotry.

>>28530525
Good for them. The point is that "a thread like any other" typically gets more than one post an hour or so. For a thread to last an entire week it would need to get at least one post every 2 hours and less than 300 posts in a week. That's not average activity for anything.

>>28530492

TCG Generals used to do that regularly until the leaks.

>>28530557
as long as it's in the anime threads, who cares

>>28530557
>I don't understand what falseflagging is

>>28530512
>Who the fuck wants to band pokegirl lewds
The residents of a BLUE BOARD

That means that lewds do not belong here. There are other boards that people can go to if they want to discuss these things or fap to them. No one wants to censor anything, just that /vp/ isn't the proper place for lewds of pokegirls/boys/mon at all.

>>28530512
>fetish material is fine
>but not THAT fetish that I dislike

>>28530502
If it is sfw, doesn't matter. Let go of the hate anon, or leave. Both can work.

>>28530557
I don't know what goes on in there since I don't watch the anime, but whatever it is definitely stays contained instead of spreading elsewhere. This is literally just "stop discussing things I don't like".

>>28530502
They will be able to talk about Gardevoir all what they want, but they won't be able to post Titdevoir. The furfags who want to see tits will have to leave the board, and only people who like Gardevoir as a Pokémon will remain.

>>28530557
No anon, the anime posters are far for being the worst shitposters in /vp/, you are very new to this board or you are deluded

>>28530573
>h-haha they're just pretending to be cancer, got you good!

>>28530569
>>28530595
>pokegirl threads

>>28530575
You don't speak for me, I'm fine with it as long as it stays in it's own thread

>>28530599
t. faggot who hasn't been on /padt/ since the Ash's Kalos League fiasco.

>>28530512
I like your opinion

>>28530605
What about them?

Holy shit no one cares about the anime
Can't we go back to the topic?

>>28530605
Learn how to read you fucking moron. They are cancer, there's no question about it, but they do it so the threads get full of shitposting and everyone hates people that support said character.

>>28530618
That lasted like a day and was clearly something a lot more than one thread took interest in. Are you going to say Sun/Moon can only get one thread a week because /vp/ drowns in threads every time there's a major new reveal too?

>>28530641
I'd love to. I've been sitting here waiting for more people to respond to someone that isn't either a rabid hater of the anime or someone who is ignorant of the situation.

Just let it go people.

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>what are filters the thread

Literally tools are available to fix most of the '''''problems''''' you lazy cucks.

>>28530673
>cucks
Opinion discarded

>>28526829
If this is the case, and based on what I've seen of those threads, it seems to be, I'm going to guess the people calling for removing those threads are the exact same people that go to them to shit them up and make them bad in the first place.

Should /vp/ threads have a higher bump limit?
I mean, /vr/ has a bigger bump limit than /vp/ for example.

>>28529926
1. Not really, name what they're doing wrong. The only incident I can think of is the guy deleting threads about paedo smogon mods.

2. Agreed, E-celeb threads are cancer and I come here hoping to avoid that shit.

3. All of the hoenbabby, unovabortion, ect needs to be wordfiltered. Cross gen debates make up a significant portion of the board's content especially in between gens.

4, 5, 6. the first two are just one person each and the third isn't even an issue on this board. Could you have more banal complaints?

7. Agreed, leaks without images or some form of evidence of credibility should be banned. I don't even mind fake leaks (the entire roothoot thing was hilarious), I just hate low effort fakes.

8. Another very banal complaint.

9. Agreed.

10. What a stupid idea, fuck you. I hate the anime but the entire point of this board is that pokemon is a multimedia phenomenon that was simultaneously shitting up both /v/ and /a/.

11/12. Too ambiguous to enforce without getting rid of tons of legitimate fanart. Like is this picture pokephilia or is it just a girl in a cute pose with her dolly? I don't like furfags either but as long as they keep it contained in one or two threads I can hide, whatever.

13. Agreed, they're basically roll call/forum game threads. All forum games should be banned.

14. there is nothing wrong or nsfw about feet, armpits or pregnancy. Inflation is fucking stupid but not offensive or nsfw in and of itself. There is nothing wrong about having this material on a blue board so long as it is not nude.

>>28530673
Except people come in to the board and see the catering to of idiots and shitposting and think that that is acceptable quality or is the norm here, and then quality degrades.

This is about what rules WE want enforced on OUR board and how to improve the quality.

>>28530690
It almost always is.

>>28530673
Filtering doesn't fix anything.
If we go with that logic, then you should just ignore that cancerous tumour in your brain. It's a problem, but ignoring it fixes it, apparently.

>>28530533
You can discuss pokemon. Just not in the form of a shitty general that's filled with spam and made multiple times a day.

you're aware that you can discuss things without it being forced into a general right? And that you're allowed to make threads about specific discussion points instead of a catch all "MUH EDITION OP THAT NO ONE READS MUST BE PERFECT" piece of shit thread right?

Armpits should be allowed. They're not in the way of things especially compared to feet.

>>28529998
>IDs

We aren't /pol/. We don't need them

>>28530697
Lusamine threads have been nuked for no discernable reason.

>>28530690
Well, if the thread itself is acknowledging that it's full of garbage that ruins discussion and calling for further moderation to clean it up, then clearly the issue is people that hate the anime going there to shitpost, not people that like the anime wanting to discuss the anime.

As I said in the previous thread, /vp/ is far from saving.
You're all wasting your time in my opinion but thats just me.

>>28530697
Those "banal" complaints are specific cases of shitposting that pollute this board. I'm aware that frogposting is not big here, but it's something that we should slowly be discouraging across the whole site. Just look at boards like /pol/ and /int/.

Furfags are violating the rules when they start posting their sexualized content here, regardless if it's SFW or not. They shouldn't get a free pass just because their furry is not the traditional Disney shit.

The problem with footfags and armpitfags is that most of the drawings they post have no subtlety. They just post big feet and steaming pits, and that's just enough for the fetishists.

>>28530752
If there's enough interest in discussing the anime that a dedicated general goes through 3-4 threads a day, then telling them to make new threads for everything they want to discuss about the anime just fills the board with even more anime threads, you moron. Just filter the OP text if you hate the anime and you'll never see those threads.

If the issue is faggots going into the threads and spamming them down, then those same faggots are going to shit up whatever other anime threads there would be anyway.

>>28530778
We need IDs for more reasons then can be listed. I know people like their anonymity, but there is too much abuse of the anonymity to the board's injury. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing, I believe this is a case of too much of anonymity.

>>28529926
When you made this what did you think, everyone was going to agree with you because it's "le flawless"?

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>>28530661
There's not much to discuss, basically this anon >>28529998 is right

e-celebs don't belong to any vidya board.

Porn and furry porn should be banned, but pokewaifu/husbando discussion should stay yes. almost every board on 4chan allow respective waifu threads, what did you expect?

Bans shitpostings leaks is kinda obvious

I don't know about ID's, they could fix a lot of problems but is nothing that good moderation couldn't do.

HG belongs to /trash/, yes they are fun but that isn't reason enough to allow them

And generals should be able to make a new one when they hit bump limit.

>>28530780
That's fine because Lusamine is shit. Mods confirmed for good taste.

But seriously even if that's happening does that mean we need to get rid of all of the mods and jannies?

>>28530876
Those posts are both me lol

>>28530889
>If
There's no if about it, it's factually happening.

We don't have to get rid of all mods and jannies, but there should be more transparency with regards to stuff like threads being nuked without an obvious reason.

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>>28530697
>name what they're doing wrong
This shit stayed on the board for at least 4 hours and all of the threads were fucking ARCHIVED.

>>28530876
Pretty sure most generals are polite enough to wait until they're on page 7 or so before making a new thread anyway. Not that it matters much now that threads last 2 hours after hitting bump limit, but /vp/ tends to be slower than this.

>>28530938
desu that's more of a sitewide issue than a /vp/ issue. I do agree that thread deletion in the case of threads that aren't obvious shitposting (ie donutposting) should have some kind of transparency.

Maybe a thread gulag where deleted threads persist for 24 hours with a moderator post at the bottom citing the reason for deletion. I mean how can you expect people to follow the rules when there are so many unspoken ones?

Some of you people want to go way overboard with all your rules. This is 4chan, not reddit. It's always been somewhat of a wild-west here.

The rules we already have should just be enforced properly, we don't need numerous new rules, idiotic IDs or even more banned words and topics.

Like this idiot here >>28530846 wanting to ban all kinds of things he personally doesn't like. Not just on /vp/ but "across the whole site". Like frogposting is any worse than any other temporary trash meme we've had before.

>>28529998
>I think everyone is in agreement on the following
No, they're not. There are 38 people having a circlejerk here while the rest of the board is ignoring your call for even more rules and retarded shit and just enjoying 4chan for the trash it has always been and always will be

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>>28530898
Then you did a good job summarizing all the problems. I pretty much agree with all your post, and I think 80% of /vp/ too, the rest are shitposters and animehaters.

>>28529998
>Ban Genwar threads
But that's the only good part of /vp/

>>28530996
I can agree with that senpai

>>28531001
I'm talking about the past 2 threads too.

If you truly don't think that anything of what has been said here is something that needs to be fixed, then you are a part of the problem.

It's not about a call for more rules, it's a call for enforcing current rules and elaborating on what it is /vp/ wants.

>>28531019
No they aren't. If you consider shitposting between falseflagging fatties to be good, then you must have the lowest standards in the world.

>>28529998
>What might be an interesting compromise here is instead of ID's but friend codes being identifiers, or at the very least an option for OP's to make a thread be a Friend-Code-ID thread only where posters have to post the following.
>Doing this unites /vp/ and brings us closer together allowing for more connection in the real world
Do you even know on which site you are? You're pretty much just asking to give everyone a tripcode to "bring us closer together in the real world". Because everyone on here just loves tripfags and being close in the real world right?

This is beyond retarded and I hope its satire.

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>No e-celebs and shilling
Otherwise everything else is as good as it gets.
>removing pokegirl, pokefucker, and waifu threads
not necessary. leave it in.

>>28531097
>then you are a part of the problem
Fucking hell, you even talk like youve come straight from some other site. Certainly explains your desire to force your opinion on everyone on this board while asking for IDs of all things

>>28531115
I wouldnt call being buddies on the DS "closer together in the real world" but it might make interacting between posters more enjoyable in a /vp/-oriented way instead of going with the ID shit that people abhor.

And I also said at least make it an option for OP's so that way the OP of the thread can dictate whether or not the topic is one that requires seriousness/no samefagging or if it's not really apt.

It's called compromise. I dont want that shit either, but if people are not going to budge on the other side, then logic dictates that you get the fuck over your ego and find a middle ground.

>>28531115
It is beyond reasonable and very much welcomed. The only ones who wouldn't want it are the very same who cause problems on the site most of the time.

>>28531097
Genwar threads promote healthy discussion about the pros and cons of each gen. They shouldn't be banned.

>>28531167
Been here since /tr/. Maybe if you reread that portion you'd see I mentioned compromise. Way to miss the point.

>>28531150
Pretty much this.

>>28531169
It's a retarded idea and should never in any way be put in place. 4chan is anonymous, always has been and always will be. Go to reddit if you want to always have an identifier as your name. That is a compromise.

So get the fuck over your ego and fuck off if you don't like the way 4chan works, instead of trying to change it into something it is not and never should be.

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I need all the WAPANESE janitors to stop deleting my posts and banning me every tin i ever say something even 1% negative about japan and japanese.

Just because those janitors failed at life and seek refuge in japanese culture does not give them the right to censor everything that upsets them

>>28531001
But shitposting is against this board's rules anon. Believe it or not, I LOVE shitposting; the "wrong cartoon meme" is actually one of my favorites, and I LOVE porn of my PokéGirls, but I know this is NOT the place for that. If I wanted to do that, I'd go to a board that allows it.

The problem with frogposting is that it has gone out of control. Posting a Pepe WILL attract shitposters, "praise kek", etc. It shouldn't be erradicated, but it shouldn't be encouraged, and in some boards it should be banned at least temporarily.

>>28531258
I feel the "wrong cartoon meme" is /vp/ related though since the original versions came from people mocking the use of non-/vp/ related reaction images.

That being said, I appreciate that you have a healthy idea about where these things should go.

>>28531253
That's a fair statement. That being said, surely you can see the benefit of IDs in stamping out samefagging and shitposting? I'm not saying make it mandatory all over, but don't act like ID's aren't on other boards either and claim that it's un-4channy.

>>28531253
Except it is already in effect in other areas of 4chan anon. We are asking for this to protect everyone and to get rid of the undesirable trolls that plague the board. Which from the sound of it, you are one of them.

>>28531258
There's a huge difference between not encouraging something and straight up banning it. The very post the OP links to complains about Moot going out if control with banning stuff, and here you are wanting to ban even more stuff.

>>28531190
Adding IDs is not a compromise. It's going directly against what 4chan is. And with making it friend codes instead of IDs you'll make it even worse, because IDs are only the same in one thread, friendcodes are the same in every thread across the whole board.
It's a stupid idea.

>>28530697
>The first two are just one person each.

There are multiple Tailsposters, hoss.

>>28531337
It is beyond obvious that not everyone will agree with certain things, as shown by your posts alone. However for the betterment of the board change must occur.

>>28531326
>Except it is already in effect in other areas of 4chan
No its not. Like >>28531337 points out other boards use it against samefagging in a single thread, not board-wide. That's just the same as using a trip, which almost everyone hates.

IDs are also really easy to bypass by mobileposting, so it won't stop those dedicated trolls anyway.

>>28531337
If it contributes nothing to the thread, it's off-topic.
/vp/ is about Pokémon, and Pepe contributes absolutely nothing to /vp/ other than people complaining about it, writing >dumb frogposters and other shitposters.
I like Pepe too, but he's overused right now.

I am strongly opposed to IDs because I feel it goes against the fundamental idea of anonymous discussion that 4chan is based around. The ability to speak and participate in any discussion is greatly enhanced by anonymity, it encourages people to speak their minds, and all sorts of benefits that have lead to 4chan being as popular as it is. IDs forcibly take that away from us.

Sure there's a lot of samefagging, but I think forcing IDs on people is a severe overreaction to that problem, using a chainsaw when a more surgical approach is needed. Think of all the layers and possible discussions and general freedom that will be lost.

The solution to avoid most of the *disruptive* effects of posting anonymously is to use a tripcode. As mentioned in earleir threads, this will prevent certain problems such as artists and requests getting confused with anonymous posts. They are voluntary IDs, which is just the kind of compromise we want, and already have.

People hating tripfags is due to some of them being attention-whroing idiots, but that will not change if we implement IDs! It will just lock tripfags to one ID in a given thread. So pointing out problems with trips is irrelevant to the ID discussion.

Another potential idea--which would be a bigger solution--would be to lengthen post times when an IP is replying to its own post. So, when a person posts something, it starts 2 timers: the normal post timer, and the samefag timer. If your post quotes a post from your own IP, it uses the samefag timer. We all know longer timers discourage posting in general and shitposting in particular, so I think if that could be implemented somehow, it would really lower samefaggotry, potentially across all of 4chan.

>it's a reddit tries to enforce their ways on /vp/ episode

Just go back to /r/pokemon if you hate it here so badly faggots.

>>28531436
IDs are different per thread, anon. Your anonimity will be intact, you just won't be able to samefag. It also makes discussions more easy to understand.
Tripfagging is what is actually against this site's principles.

>>28531478
But Reddit actually encourages shitposting.

>>28531484
I understand that, but it still limits discussion in a given thread.

Tripcodes are a necessary option for, well, the number of instances people use them here for things they wouldn't be able to otherwise.

Have we actually accomplished or agreed on anything?

>>28531422
It's a meme. A 4chan meme at that. One that is really popular now (and thanks to Clinton even more so), so of course it's going to be used. That's no reason to ban it.

People use a lot of memes and off-topic images on here, and on 4chan in general. None of them get a blanket ban. Slowpoke posts were used on all boards (still sometimes are) even if the boards aren't about pokemon. Baneposting is still a thing everywhere. Smug anime girls are a thing everywhere.

Posts with pepe should only be removed if they're just pure offtopic shitposting, but there should in no way be a blanket ban on Pepe or frogposting on general. That's just way overdoing it.

>>28531436
Hear hear

>>28531507
Can you explain how it limits discussion? If anything it would help it be clear to understand other points that are not directly related to their most recent comment.

>>28531566
We seem to have all agreed on the first points in >>28529998

>>28531436
You're still anonymous anon. It's helped out /pol/ I'd say

No one knows who you are between threads, but you're held accountable to your actions in the current thread

>>28531609
No 'we' didn't you faggot.

>>28531626
No one seemed to sharply disagree with him

>>28531609
Thanks. I'm a lazy fuck

>>28531609 (You)
See:
>>28530778
>>28531001
>>28531019
>>28531115

>>28531566
No and we never will because people who are fine with the state of this board aren't even going to participate in this thread.
Its only people who want to change 4chan into reddit who are trying to get ideas and plans here, but as soon as they present their consensus the blowback will come from all the people who didn't participate in the circlejerk because they don't want those idiotic changes. As can be seen I'm this thread right now.

So nothing at all will ever get accomplished or agreed on here.

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>>28531507
>I understand that, but it still limits discussion in a given thread.

Clearly you've never been to /padt/, where discussion degenerates into "everyone I disagree with is a samefag so I don't need to provide a rebuttal." Thread IDs would fix this entirely, except the handful of idiots blaming phones.

Thread IDs do not affect your prviacy at fucking all. You are still anonymous. Your ID reveals absolutely nothing about you except whether or not you're samefagging.

>>28531578
Posting those images along with your post, as long as your post is topic-related, is fine.
But frogs are -almost- always used for shitposting and "kek summoning" and all that crap.

Just give us flags

>>28531614
>It's helped out /pol/ I'd say
You're retarded. Do you really think leafposters care that their awful shitposts are visibly done by the same person?
Do you really think Australian shitposters don't know how to change their id?

>>28531664
>No one seemed to sharply disagree with him
What? All the recent posts in this thread are people sharply disagreeing with him.

>>28531733
So everyone posts shit like "Ameriburger" if you're American, "Britbong" if you're British, "BUILD WALL" if you're Mexican, "DESIGNATED" if you're Indian, and so on, and so on.

>>28531417
Then instead of tearing apart an idea that will lead to a better board, pose a better idea. By the by, "Fine as is" is not a better idea.

>>28531720
Dude shut the fuck up, removing frogs doesn't reduce shitposting, they'll just shitpost with other images. Just because they trigger you doesn't mean they're against the rules.

>>28531680
Is this your first board or something?

4chan in general isn't the "le meme machine anymore" we're genuinely filled with underaged fags and have too many shitposters to be enjoyable. There's like no conversations with REAL substance or that isn't derailed. I'm not saying there isn't shitposting threads, but literally every other day we're overrun with people just spamming porn in every thread and drowning out all other threads due to incompetent mods. Like what other fucking board does that?

>>28531586
This may sound like a "that's the point", but:

It forces you to use that ID in the thread, linking all your discussions together. I'm sure that's what most people want out of IDs, but the fact of the matter is that all your posts are judged by previous posts and that can make people disregard your posts based on their opinions of your earlier posts, even when it's not warranted. Imo it introduces a pseudo-reddit-downvote effect on posts.

>>28531710
It's not about privacy, just the points I made above. If you guys do want that out of IDs--forcing all your posts in one threads to be accountable--then I guess it's just a difference of opinion, and we can agree to disagree.

>>28531733
Flags increase shitposting on pol 10,000%. I'm convinced they added them there to further destabilize the population, no other purpose.

-

And we need to ignore yet another shitposter in @28531680 who says we shouldn't try to change because we'll never change, and just namecalls reddit. Don't even reply to them directly.

>>28531765
Yep, would make this place more entertaining.
Not to mention I'd love to see which country is posting the majority of these shitty leak threads

>>28531800
Make flags visible only after a thread is archived.

>>28531720
No need to ban it then or change the rules in any way.

>>28531710
Clearly you've never been to a board with IDs then. Disagree on /pol/ and you'll just be a CTR shill changing ips, or multiple CTR people working together or whatever. Which theoretically could be the case because IDs are easy to circumvent.

in other words, IDs change nothing.

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>>28531786
I have a folder full of them. They don't trigger me, but I think they're being overused on this site right now.

>>28531761
>implying Aussies can even connect to Internet

>>28531436
>Another potential idea--which would be a bigger solution--would be to lengthen post times when an IP is replying to its own post. So, when a person posts something, it starts 2 timers: the normal post timer, and the samefag timer. If your post quotes a post from your own IP, it uses the samefag timer. We all know longer timers discourage posting in general and shitposting in particular, so I think if that could be implemented somehow, it would really lower samefaggotry, potentially across all of 4chan.
I like this.

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>>28531792
>people can judge you based on what you said is bad

>>28531761
There was a large increase after I asked.

I want to say it's a samefag, but we don't know do we :^)

>>28531785
>By the by, "Fine as is" is not a better idea.
No, YOU don't think its a better idea. Because you want to change this place into reddit. There are a whole lot of people for who it would be the better idea. People who don't participate in this circkejerk of a thread because they don't feel the need to complain or try to change things.

>>28531836
So all you would have to do to defeat this is not quote your previous quote. Sounds like it stops nothing.

>>28531792
>can make people disregard your posts based on their opinions of your earlier posts

How the fuck is this a bad thing you idiot? If you made a shitty post you shouldn't get to just bury it under the rug, or pretend to be other people agreeing with you.

People can't follow your ID into other threads, so no it's not like other sites. But they should be able to follow it in a conversation, and if you're flipflopping people should be able to see that. It reduces shitposting without breaching your privacy. There is literally no downside.

Honestly who ever thinks how /vp/ is run is fine has clearly not been on many other boards

>>28531873
>circlejerk
>when literally everyone is in disagreement with each other

Fuck jannies. Bunch of furry no lives. Get rid of them entirely and the board can only improve.

>>28531875
Every idea will have ways to circumvent it, whether IDs, this, or even bans. Every little bit helps, though.

>>28531887
I'm referring less about shitty posts and more about posts people disagree with. My analogy about reddit was how most people use the downvote button as a 'disagree' button rather than a 'doesn't contrinbute to the conversation' button. And as other users mentioned, this shows clearly on /pol/ where peoples opinions are sometimes instantly disreagarded for the whole thread on that basis.

>>28531873
>if you don't think this board is perfect you must want it to become reddit

These leaps of logic are killing me.

This must be the only board you visit. That and reddit.

>>28531873
Anon, you are the cancer here, you seem to also be the most afraid of what might happen when we know you are the one mucking up a thread. This isn't freedom, this is using anonymity to bully, as a weapon of no use to anyone on the board. There are people here who are tired of it, and I am not the only one tired of it. You don't like IDs because they could potentially show you to be the slime ball that you are. We would be better with you not here.

>>28529900

E-celeb shit needs to go and stay go. Discussing someone that's discussing Pokemon is not discussing Pokemon.

Furfag shit needs to stop.

Other than that shit seems fine.

>>28531788
>due to incompetent mods
So change the mods, don't change the rules.

>>28531897
Only for the last part of this thread

>>28531856
>I want to say it's a samefag, but we don't know do we
The number of different ips increased from 37 to 47 in the last half hour or so, so it obviously isn't a samefag. Or it is but he's changing his ip, in which case IDs wouldn't help much either

>>28531887
>If you made a shitty post you shouldn't get to just bury it under the rug
Yes you should. That's literally the point of anonymity. What matters is what you write in your post, not what you wrote in some other post at some other point.

>>28531925
Agreed anon, we need to implement something, anything to stop the rampant bull crap that keeps happening because of the trolls. Personally I would use a tripcode just so I could get over this quicker. Saves me a headache either way.

>>28531970
It would make it easier to see and hard for them to shitpost with ID's. How is it a negative overall?

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>>28529926
How about
>>No more fucking Verlisify threads, or threads about Joe. It’s plain shitposting at this point.
>>No lizardfuckers
>No PokeTuber/E-celeb thread of any kind
Yes to these
and no to everything else because everything else you said is absolutely fucking retarded.

>>No posting an image from a cartoon/anime, then quoting that post with the incorrect name of that cartoon/anime.
>>Keep Pokégirl/men threads; content must NOT be porn OR appeal to feet, armpit, pregnancy, inflationfags, etc. It’s pretty vanilla, but that’s what works for this BLUE board. Pokégirl thread != Waifu-claiming thread.
>That whole autistic tirade about Wicke and Gardevoir, threads that are usually contained and don't leak much outside of run of the mill shitposting
Yeah no. Kill yourself, faggot.

>>28529998

Perfect.

>>28531974
No, you don't get to be a retard and claim that you're not X or whatever. Anonymity mean no one knows who you really are. How you act towards people should be seen by all even if we don't know who you are

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>>28531974
>That's literally the point of anonymity
Holy fuck, is this kid for real?

The point of anonymity is to protect your privacy, not to pretend to be multiple people in one conversation. "Some other point" only refers to a point in that conversation, for which you should be accountable in the context of that conversation.

Fuck off, it's clearly past your bedtime.

>>28532006
Go look at your furry porn elsewhere, you horsefucker.

>>28532006
>attacks people because they don't absolutely agree with me

It is obvious you are just the person we want gone anon. Leave and don't return.

>>28531937
Wanting to add friend codes to everyones name across the board is literally making it more like reddit.

>>28531951
You are not the voice of This board, no matter how much you'd like that. Just because you want something to change doesn't mean everyone else does. Nor does it mean that everyone who disagrees with you is cancer.

You are actually the cancer by wanting to change 4chan into something it is not. Its always been a site where everyone is anonymous. It has survived and grown Luke that for years. Changing that fundamental aspect of the site, just because you're triggered by some shitposting, is retarded.

The only thing that needs to change is to get better mods/janitors. That's it. And if you don't like the way 4chan has worked for years and years then there are numerous other sites for you to go to.

>>28532098
>Wanting to add friend codes to everyones name

That is not what IDs are you stupid faggot. IDs are unique to threads. Nobody can identify you across threads if they couldn't before.

Did you know that reddit also likes Pokemon and has a Pokemon board? I guess we're reddit!
Did you know redditors breathe air? I guess you should kill yourself then.

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>>28532006
The cartoon meme is shitposting, anon. I like it but it derails threads.

>That whole autistic tirade about Wicke and Gardevoir, threads that are usually contained and don't leak much outside of run of the mill shitposting
Gardefags have contaminated the board. Their own generals are distilled autistic cancer and are filled with nothing but shitposting and borderline porn. There's no discussion there, only fucking drama and constant thread derrailing. You can't even honestly like Gardevoir in a non-sexual way because you will be immediately linked to those assholes. It doesn't help that is obvious that the mods that come to this boards are the ones who stir the shit up on those threads.

The problem with Wicke is that the people on those threads feel almost as entitled as the Gardefags and their threads are filled with shitposting and drama too, but the good news is that the hype around here will eventually disappear and Wicke will be just another waifu.

>>28532039
>No, you don't get to be a retard and claim that you're not X or whatever.
You do on here. You've always been able to that on here. That's what makes the site what it is.>>28532078

>we
Do you always speak like you're royalty?

>ITT: Newfags have no idea what IDs are

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>>28531951

>There are people here who are tired of it, and I am not the only one tired of it.

Then leave. There's tons of other sites like Reddit where you can have your chat forum and have an identifier. Anonymity is integral to the site and how it functions. It is literally a core function. It should not be changed.

If you're honestly concerned about being bullied on an anonymous site you need to seek help.

>>28532135
Look again at what >>28529998 is suggesting and what people are objecting to.

>>28532047
I honestly don't think I've met anyone more retarded than >>28531974

Glad I'm not alone in calling out his bullcrap

>>28532098
>>you are not the voice of this board
If he posts on this board he is by definition apart of this board.

You are mentally retarded

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>actual high quality discussion on /vp/
>it's meta infighting

>>28532039
This defeats the purpose of an anonymous website numbnuts.

>>28532098
>staiting more of "fine as is"

It isn't fine as is, being totaly anonymous is fine. I don't really ever want to know you or to see you as I think you and I would argue over many things. However I do want you to be punished when you come into a topic that is made just to crap it up because you don't like what is there. To that end, if by giving you and me, and everyone else an ID so that they can keep you away from a thread and we all can have some peace, a million times yes.

>>28532179
>If he posts on this board he is by definition apart of this board.
Then he is a voice, not the voice.

So you even English?

>>28532150
>people don't get to react to me being stupid

>>we
>Do you always speak like you're royalty?

No I'm refering to the group that we're all discussing

>>28532177
Seriously what don't you understand no one knows who you are and it makes conversations easier to know if some else is talking

>>28532178
No idea what that faggot is talking about. I'm talking about thread IDs, like on /pol/ and /b/ for a while.

>>28532227
>It isn't fine as is
You don't think its fine as is. That's a difference.

You're free to leave anytime instead of trying to change a fundemental aspect of a site that has been functioning this same way for years.

>>28532229
There is no single voice. People can group together and expresse their voice you cannot ignore them because they are not the main voice

>>28532243

>Seriously what don't you understand no one knows who you are and it makes conversations easier to know if some else is talking

What don't you understand? It's been this way for 10 years+. That's been one of the draws to the site. That's how it's always been. It's a core function. You change that and it's no longer 4chan. Don't get me wrong, identifiers seem appealing, but you need to understand they won't do jack shit. Trips exist for a reason, but just as anyone can fake a trip, anyone can fake an identifier using multiple IDs. It won't solve anything. If you want to have a conversation with a specific anon, just make a fucking trip.

>>28532289
I just want to lessen shitposting. If someone is willing to go that far to change ID'S in a thread, they may as well be ban evading

VP is clearly the worst watched board

>>28532278
>fundemental aspect of a site that has been functioning this same way for years.

This argument is rendered invalid by the existence of thread IDs. Complete, samefag-enabling anonymity is not fundamental if it doesn't exist on all boards.

Then again I'm not longer sure if we're talking /pol/ IDs or friend code faggotry.

>>28532278
>oh no, change is bad

Anon, change comes no matter what, either we all change, or we all die. That is the nature of life and the nature of even the internet. To avoid stagnation or ruination, /vp/ will have to change. To that end, you can be apart of that change, or you can be left.

>>28532329

Agreed, but that's what mods are for. The problem is they haven't been doing their jobs. You also realize that a lot of the bad shitposters are ban-evading anyway. Nothing will stop that.

If the mods just do their jobs everything will be back to where they should be in regards to shitposting.

>>28532376
Well we don't have mods. And you claim they can just change IP's they can avoid bans. ID'S would help the retarded trollers/spammers

>>28532287
Exactly, so him stating that he speaks for everyone but "the cancer" is idiotic. I'm glad we agree.

>>28532348
Yes, changing something that makes this site unique and made this site great in its awfullnes for years and years is indeed bad.
If you don't like how 4chan functions why be here at all? Reddit seems like a better place for you. Handy usernames, strict rules and no posts or pictures that could trigger you.

>>28532425

Okay, so that's why we're getting them.

Also, I'm not claiming. It's a fact that people ban-evade all the time. Mods would also help with the retarded fags.

>>28532329
>that far
It's as easy as picking up your mobile phone, mate. IDs accomplish nothing, neither /b/ nor /pol/ are any better than they were before.

>>28532470
Yeah, but ID'S would be a quick fix that doesn't need moderation.

>>28532425
>Well we don't have mods.
Then the solution should be to get mods, not to introduce useless IDs that no one wants.

>>28532487
I would actually disagree on /b/ they are gone.

and who over 18 still goes on /b/

>>28532425
>ID'S would help the retarded trollers/spammers
How exactly? They'd still spam regardless of people seeing it's the same person?

>>28532509
All these posts are 1 minute apart though. Moderation takes man power and is a thankless job, no one really wants too. ID'S are a self fix

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>>28532470
>Mods would also help with the retarded fags.
>>28532376
>If the mods just do their jobs everything will be back to where they should be in regards to shitposting.

Where do you get this notion that mods will ban everything that you personally consider shitposting?

You can't resonably expect any mods to catch every shitty post on the board. But thread IDs expose shitposters to everyone, which discourages them from doing it in the first place. Some will find a workaround, but you'll still see an overall reduction. There is no denying that.

>>28532501

I agree with you, but it would only be an aid.

I'm all for trying something new for a trial period and then having them assess the feedback. I would be fine with that.

>>28532439
>so adverse to change, even has the same points in each post

Listen, I know this is hard, but there is this thing called conversation. Right now I doubt you would even pass the Tuning test. Each time you press "I'm not a robot" I am pretty sure you are lying on some level. That being said, what I said in the previous post isn't wrong, everything needs change, even /vp/. True change is not limited by anything. Post a solution that is different from the past or don't post at all.

>>28532487
/pol/'s flags counteract the benefits of IDs. Nobody is asking for flags here.

>>28532578

Please, like you don't know a shitpost when you see one. Who cares who the shitpost is coming from? A shitpost is a shitpost. You do realize there's a report option, right? That's all it takes is for you to use your own two feet and fucking do something yourself.

>>28532578
>Where do you get this notion that mods will ban everything that you personally consider shitposting?

Where do you get the notion that IDs will make shitposting any less shitposty? So you can point at the one fag and say "ignore him?" You should be doing that anyway.

>>28532654
But reporting does nothing on this board. You're more likely to be banned if you report something.
That's why we need new mods and janitors.

>>28529998
Anon who posted this, please send these recomendations to Hiro. They sound logical enough, and if not IDs, then at least some way to tag and remove the trolls.

>>28532578
>which discourages them from doing it in the first place
Where do you get this notion from that shitposters care about people knowing they're one person?

>There is no denying that.
Yes there is, just look to /pol/. You're acting like it's rocket science to change your ID or that it's some really advanced system.

>>28532619
>whaaa dont disagree with me
You're just posting nonsense. Saying "everything needs to change" is not an argument to anything, it's just you admitting that you don't like 4chan.

So again, why stay here in the first place when there are so many other sites that have exactly what you seem to want?

>>28532599
Yeah an aid. Anything to make this place better

>>28532654
Mods don't do shit, if people can see if it's all one person we know it's one faggot

>inb4 mods would ban when he could just change IP!

Changing an IP is similar to avoiding ban, it helps us filter idiots

>>28532619

>Listen, I know this is hard, but there is this thing called conversation.
>Post a solution that is different from the past or don't post at all.

Come on, dude. a 3-year-old can see the hypocrisy in that. Don't be the pot.

>>28532736

Yes, I'm pro-mod. That's what I've been arguing for. I suppose shit like this is a reason for IDs, though.

>>28532751
But why does it matter if it's one faggot or two faggots sitting there shitting up a thread? Everyone knows it's shitposting anyway.

>>28532738
>please send these recomendations to Hiro
No. It's obvious there's not even slightly consensus on this faggot's nonsense post.

>>28532751

Mods don't do shit because they've been lazy fuckers lately. New mods are needed for pruning.

>Changing an IP is similar to avoiding ban, it helps us filter idiots

Not sure what you were going for there but your sentence didn't come out right. I think what you meant was that evading bans is a thing, but the IDs would help filter assholes who can't change their IPs. But you should still be reporting shitposting anyway, provided we had mods who actually did something.

>>28532832
>the IDs would help filter assholes who can't change their IPs
How? Seriously, how do you get this idea when the boards with IDs prove the exact opposite.

Trolls and spammers don't care that people see they're a samefag. What would it change that you can see that two shitposts are made by the same person? They'd still be two shitposts shitting up the thread.

>>28532832
Yeah, but where's the harm in both?

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>>28532738
>>28532795

He may be onto something here.

How about this: He had mentioned tagging trolls. What if the amount of reports stuck to the current poster's hidden ID, and showed up on all their posts AFTER the fact? Like, say, 10 reports on someone would reveal the posts they've made throughout the thread along with the amount of times they've been reported? It would only apply within that 1 thread.

It seems plausible.

>>28532750
>"everything needs to change"
Nice strawman. Nobody said everything.

>>28532695
>>28532750
Because shitposters rely on anonimity when they pretend to be multiple people. IDs make this harder. It will also prevent people like >>28531974 from shitposting until he feels like joining the conversation, because now he's accountable for his shitty posts.

>>28532793
Bullshit. Plenty of people get conflated with shitposters arbitrarily. Plenty of idiots cry shitposting at perfectly permissible posts because they dislike them, then whine to mods about it. IDs objectively make it easier to keep track of these people.
Yes it's possible to circumvent, but many casual/underage shitposters won't bother. And this website is full of them.

>>28532903
>the IDs would help filter assholes who can't change their IPs

I was just fixing his sentence, not fighting for it. Look into the context before you fly off the wall.

>>28532937

>It will also prevent people like >>28531974 from shitposting until he feels like joining the conversation, because now he's accountable for his shitty posts.

He has a point, though. That's not shitposting. He's conversing.

>>28532937
>Nice strawman. Nobody said everything.
Mate. The post he quoted literally said those exact words. Maybe it's time for bed?

>>28532757
You believe conversation can occur when all you are doing is saying the same thing over and over again? Seems the one anon wasn't the only robot.
>>28532750
Thank you again for saying the same statement again without posting anything new, also known as the most robotic thing I have seen before in my life. Also, everything needs to change is a direct statement of "life". I know this is hard for you to understand mr. Robot, but living things change. Such as a boy changing into a man. A girl changing into a woman. The human body changes at least once every 5 years all the way around, which is to say each cell in your body has been replaced in 5 years time. This is not only accepted, but proven. The board /vp/ can be considered alive, however it can go one of two ways, it can either "grow" (also known as change) or it can start to "die" (also known as stagnate). There isn't a magical third option.

Ban all furfags and furfag threads like >>28527001

Honestly, the most cancerous thread on /vp/ right now is this one.

>>28533083
Yeah if we had ID'S we'd know if someone was samefagging

It just feels like one REALLY stubborn autist

>>28533083
This is one of the few threads in the board right now that is actually attracting real discussion.

>>28533038
>still not answering the question but continuing his autistic nonsense about wanting to change everything
Please, just go to reddit. It has the change you want.

>>28532992
Actually it was paraphrasing, the post said "everything needs change." What that meant is that everything needs some change, not that you need to change everything about something. Apparently anon used the latter interpretation since he said "you don't like 4chan."

>>28532981
Pretending to be multiple people isn't conversing.

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>>28533148
>I Don't like it, go to Reddit

Removing something you don't like is Redditor downvoting

Pic related

the only issue with /vp/ is that mods are dead, and that everytime someone notices that, some faggots fill the board with shitty furry porn for several hours until the mods wake up
all we need is better mods, but not good enough to make this board an overmoderated mess where the slightest lewd image gets you banned
honestly i feel like everything else is good, /vp/ has always been 50% shitposts so i feel like if it doesn't gets too out of hand it'll be fine

>>28533148
>regurgitating the same kneejerk dodgy strawman
Are you trying to prove his point?

>>28533204
/thread
We can all go home now

>>28533180
>>28533214
He's saying that reddit is what he wants, so why not go there.

It's a pretty valid question considering they're both repeating the same lines as infinitum without "change"

Anyway this whole thread is shit and the actual cancer on this board.

>>28533278
Thread IDs do not make this site reddit. By your logic /pol/ is reddit.

>>28533317
It's technically more like reddit than other boards, but it was not about IDs in the first place

>>28533204
Pretty much all that's needed, if anything's needed at all.

>>28533346
That doesn't make them reddit. You're technically like reddit by breathing air right now.

If your only rebuttal to a change is "other websites do it" as opposed to what's actually wrong with it, you have no argument. But that was already obvious.

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>people complain about something
>people can't form a consensus on how to change it
Every time. In every instance of the use of democratic decision. Without fail.
This thread was a huge waste of time.

>>28533417
All we need is this
>>28533204

>>28533389
It is the reason I have just started to ignore mr. Robot. He speaks nothing that can be useful. At best he is your normal shitposter doing it for the laughs and the (you)s. At worst he is a troll that needs to be gone. He has no point, and is basically just saying the same thing over and over again.

>>28533417
>This thread was a huge waste of time.
Right, so you're advocating the "don't change anything" side that's been in this thread all along.

Totally not a samefag or anything.

Really makes you think.

>>28533204
I agree.

>people are actually supporting banning posting POKEMON on a POKEMON board

Just have mods and jannies actually exist to delete spam

>>28533550
>people are actually supporting banning posting POKEMON on a POKEMON board
It's like one or two guys. Its pretty clear that most people just want better mods and that's it

>>28533625
>It's like one or two guys

If only you had thread IDs to prove that.

>>28533660
Because then they wouldn't just easily change their ID to make it seem they're with more?

>>28533727

No, but you'd probably claim they did because it contradicts your strawman.

>>28533780
So IDs are useless either way, glad to have that cleared up

>>28533857
Just because some idiots will claim that people are changing IDs doesn't mean they are, or that they're useless.

>>28533417
The problem is we can't see who's voting or not. It's like democracy without controlling voters

Guess the best way to counter is this.
Do I want to change everything on the board? No, as a whole there are several things on /vp/ I like.
Do I wish to totally destroy anonymity? No, I couldn't care less to know some of you.
Do I want people to get banned because they are trolls and the worst humanity has to offer? Yes, all of my yes.
Am I opposed to being held to the same process? No, I am okay with that.
Do I care how the process is implemented? No, not really, weither it be IDs or use of tripcodes, any method that makes it easier to get rid of trolls. That is what I am willing to go for.

>>28530249
>banning people from using sfw reaction pictures

>>28529998
>this is an anonymous board that doing so might infringe upon anonymity.
All you had to say
I come to 4chan because of the anonymity, if I didn't want it I'd actually go outside.

I got a suggestion for the mods
Ban everyone in this fucking thread who suggests harsh rules. If you want to get modded by nazis go back to ribbit where everything is a hug box.

Leave waifufaggotry, anime, whatever, the fuck alone. Anyone who suggests multiple new rules such as

>>28529926
>>28529998
>>28530257


Can fuck off. No anime? Are you fucking retarded? If I ran 4chan and someone said no anime I'd fucking ban them right there.

>>28529998
>remove e-celebs and youtuber bullshit
Yes.
>remove furry porn, stealth furry porn, waifu/husbando porn, but make sure to not ban discussion about volatile pokemon and waifus/husbandos (no gardeporn but can talk about garde and have threads about garde)
Remove furry porn, stealth furry porn and let everyone have their waifu/husbando porn like every single other board.
>ban low quality leak and shitposting leak threads
Yes
>increased moderation for increased moderation coverage, especially at hot button times
No fuck off.

The rest I don't give a shit about.
We don't need IDs, it's easy enough getting around the system anyway.

>>28529900
MAKE /vp/ NSFW

Do a poll on this, it'll pass, you'll see.

>>28533127
Real discussion about what? Pokemon? This thread is garbage.

>>28534302
No fuck off

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>>28529926
Deal, but it's hard to mantain a balance between what's shitposting or not.
In my opinion, everything goes into an acceptable margin as long as you can automatically filter it.

If you want people talk about Gardevoir, let them talk about Gardevoir, but I hate Gardevoir threads so I filter the word "Gardevoir" and the issue gets solved forever. The same rule goes for every "controversial" topic, like other threads dedicated to any specific pokemon or even waifu threads.

I think Waifu threads should be allowed following those same guidelines. At least for me, it represents a nice autism vent.

And, because of the topic of this board, the line between what's furry or not is really blur, so what we really need is to clarify where "slightly suggestive but still SFW" ends and furry begins. I have been banned a couple of times for posting things that, in my opinion, were SFW.
Cropped porn may fit in this ambiguity. In my opinion, they're somewhat part of the board culture, and, as long as no genitals or fluids are posted, no problem.

Talk about degeneracy should be allowed, should them not break the image rules. Fetish pics, even with no genitals displayed, like Inflation or Vore should be deported to /trash/ and deleted on spot. Links to other sites are fine too.

The real problem in the board is the entitled "I don't like thing, so I'm going to shit on your thread for that". That includes Tailsposting, and ">kill la kill" image dumping. Garyposting too, but at least the Garyposting guy is a bit more reasonable.

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>>28530391
>original version features the janitor
Fuck that then.

>All pf these idiots supporting pre-2012 sticky bullshit.

Holy shit, I had no idea how cancerous /vp/ really is...

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>>28534437
In my opinion, I rate current /vp/ moderation 7/10. Fun is currently allowed in most cases, Tailsposting gets deleted in 5 minutes average, but got lackluster in some occassions like when the catalog got flooded with Heliolisk porn and Roothoot spamming.

What's more urgent I think, is to re-structure the rules. Delimit clearly what's SFW and what's NSFW, encourage people to put "keywords" in controversial threads like Verlisify, Gardevoir; and encourage people to use the site's filter feature to hide automatically these threads if they don't like it.

TL;DR Moderation doesn't need drastic changes. What we need is to rewrite and restructure some rules, and mods acting appropriately when you got about 10 or 15 threads in the catalog about the same thing. I think that leaving Image Limit in 250 images (so, for example, you don't need to make two Phox threads on friday) and Bump Limit in 400 posts would be a nice way to do it.

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>>28534437
>>28534534
Looks okay

>>>The real problem in the board is the entitled "I don't like thing, so I'm going to shit on your thread for that"

THIS
FUCKING THIS

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>>28534534
>Fun is currently allowed in most cases

can agree 2bh

i mean, even 4chan Cup threads are allowed to sage quietly here and they're >fun. that's a pretty good standard for me.

>What's more urgent I think, is to re-structure the rules
>The real problem in the board is the entitled "I don't like thing, so I'm going to shit on your thread for that".

this holy shit.

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Why not make 2 pokemon boards, one for sfw pokemon discussion, one for nsfw?

>>28534534
I don't really have any problem with /vp/ at all at the moment. There are some threads that should get deleted that stick around, like those trollface ones going at the moment, underaged faggotry that is hard to pin down, etc. But it's okay.

Way better than the Bui days.

>>28534534

Agreed, but e-celeb shit has to go, too.

>>28534649
That's what >>>/trash/ is for, my friend.

>>28534649

That's entirely viable and a solid idea. I think the fanbase is large enough that it can be split just fine.

>>28534662
Hating on verlsify is a past time, leave it around

>>28534691
>>28534649
That's a fucking stupid idea, we don't need two pokemon boards its just redundancy

>>28531478
What, Reddit encourages shitposting with a voting system. Maybe you should go back there, newkid.

>>28534712

There's nothing redundant about NSFW and SFW. It's a very clear distinction.

>>28534649
>>28534691
There are other sites for that.

>>28530001
>meme that exists to derail shitpost threads
>lets get rid of it

>>28534823
>derailing
If it's a shitpost thread it should be deleted
Fuck off

>>28534691
But I insist, isn't that the reason /trash/ is for?
There are a couple of threads about NSFW Pokemon there at this moment, and nothing stops you to post and comment about NSFW there. For example:
>>>/trash/5228299
>>>/trash/5236732

>>28534260
You are somewhat right, /vp/ isn't in such deplorable state to make all these rules, but e-celebs and porn don't belong here, and there's always one of those threads up, that have to say something about the quality of the board

>>28534701
Fuck off you fucking retard. It's not a past time is some retards making publicity for that gayass faggot. I don't give a shit about that furfaggot degenerate and I don't want to see threads about him made by retards like you.

>people actually think IDs would make a dent in shitposting
lmfao
It will just encourage proxyfaggotry and ban evading. If someone wants to shit up the place, IDs are hardly an obstacle.

>>28535409
It's not going to stop those people, but it will discourage casual and underage shitposters.

>>28535409
Most of the shitposters here are underage newfags, they wouldn't bother to proxyfag or even know how to do it.

>reply about underage posters being shitposters deleted

Wot.

Anyway, basically what the other anon said. Most shitposters wouldn't even bother using proxies because they're mostly casual.

>>28534437
>>28534534
The problem with this is that filtering solves nothing. Shitposting is like a tumor and you can't ignore something as dangerous as that. I don't want /vp/ to end up like >>>/asp/ because we didn't enforce the existing rules.

I don't have any problem with the existence of Gardevoir threads, Anime threads or anything Pokémon related, obviously. This is a Pokémon board after all, for crying out loud. But by now these threads have been reduced to nothing but shitposting and that damages the overall quality of the board, and you can tell about it even if you try to ignore it the best that you can.

>>28535081
I don't make it I just don't give a fuck about it, it's not flooding the board like the real leak shadys that never knew about Ultra beasts until after they were revealed and are now coincidentally leaking everywhere, it's not a problem. Who cares if people want to make fun of him now and again?

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>>28529998
I have a feeling those who don't want ID's or any form of identification are the ones who cause trouble and shitpost the most.

Given the fact that most are against thread specific ones even if they wouldn't be effected by it, gives weight to the idea that they are the trouble makers.

For instance the thread that could definitely use ID's would be the anime discussion thread. The only ones I bet who would be against it are the shitposters themselves.

>>28535545
This.

>>28535545
IDs are reddit tier.

People just need to not shitpost with one picture/one word posts or have those posts be deleted with warnings more often.

>>28535545
This desu. I shitpost on pol when I'm given a funny link and because of IDs I always have to measure how much autism I can give at a time. Without IDs I'm just replying with smug anime faces knowing I can't be linked to a previous reply.

Some say IDs aren't effective because of VPNs, proxies, phoneposting, but honestly if someone's that desperate to go through all that to get a (You) let them be miserable.

>>28535545
I agree, I'd like the IDs in the Gardevoir threads so I can go back to making content.

>>28535661
IDs and usernames linked to karma are completely different and you know it

>>28535661
>IDs are reddit tier.
No wonder Poole loved them so much.

You know on /q/ he would look at people's IP history and just post the number of times they'd been warned/banned instead of replying when they asked awkward questions.

>>28535545
You're right, just look at this obvious shitposter

>>28535661

>"le reddit xD"

That's why we need IDs.

>>28535661
Lets say that we don't do ID's now and instead just get an increase in moderation.

How long until that moderation starts to loosen and things begin reverting back to how it currently is? If ID's were implemented, which really have no effect on the poster themselves except for a randomly generated code next to their name which itself would deter shitposting. Should the moderation start to loosen, us, the posters on this board, would still have a way to know who is shitposting and be able to properly filter and do something about it. With ID's in specific threads, which would really be better then a board wide ID system because it's primarily the generals that deal with these problems, it would honestly solve a lot of problems.

You could say use a name or get a trip code, but we all know how people who use them are treated. You would be filtered or hidden right away. At least in a scenario with ID's everyone would be equal and held accountable for their actions and what they post.

For instance I'd like to see in this thread alone how many of the anti-ID posters are the same person. I feel like it'd be pretty low number of people doing it.

>>28529926
>>28529998
What about non-Pokemon non-anime reaction images?

>>28535740
>/vp/ wants poster IDs because of one cancerous general

Current moderation is fine, the board is just too damn fast. /general/ threads contain themselves pretty well, too.

Do you really think IDs will stop anything? If you want to have a heartfelt discussion about the anime consider a different forum.

>>28535766
>how many of the anti-ID posters are the same person.

I've only posted once :^)

If you want hard moderation go back to ribbit

Tired of people coming in here thinking we need mods for anything other than

>spamming
>advertising
>excessively bad posts and underaged

>>28535802
>IDs are useless because the threads are too fast!
>IDs won't work because the threads are too slow and people will be stuck with the same ID for too long!
So which is it? Is /vp/ too fast or too slow?

>>28535802
>>28535802
Thanks for putting words in my mouth but I don't visit generals. My opinion comes from all the shitposting I and maybe others do on regular threads.

>>28534653
That's not allowed. You have to change something!

>>28534943
>there's always one of those threads up
Oh no, one or two of the many threads in this board are about something I don't like! Ban it!

>>28535081
>I don't give a shit about that furfaggot degenerate and I don't want to see threads about him made by retards like you.
>I don't know how to filter threads

>>28535545
Yeah, I guess that's the reason why 4chan had functioned years and years without them

Fucking hell this thread is full of salty retards wanting to change 4chan in something it isn't. Feel free to fuck off to wherever you came from anytime

/vp/ has got worse?

The Goodrafag was in 2013.

>>28535909
They don't know that, they're newfags who want /vp/ to be more like the safespaces they're used to from the sites they came from

>>28535832
Mods do actually ban for /pol/ tier and bait posts, they should probably do it more often.

>>28535835
Who are you quoting?

The mods can't hover over one or two general threads to keep people in line. I'm sure most general threads have regular posters and shitposters. Stop replying to the bait and shitposting will take care of itself.

Other boards have IDs because they can't self-regulate and not surprisingly those boards attract the worst of posters. I don't think /vp/ is that bad to warrant IDs.

>>28534260
yes brother, I too want /b/ with pokemon.

>>28535908
Why don't you go back to /b/, retard?

>>28535766
>You could say use a name or get a trip code, but we all know how people who use them are treated
Yeah, really weird. Maybe it's because this site is build on everyone being anonymous?

>>28535766
>For instance I'd like to see in this thread alone how many of the anti-ID posters are the same person. I feel like it'd be pretty low number of people doing it.
>Everyone who doesn't agree with me is the same person because me wanting to change the foundation of 4chan can't possibly be unpopular
Kys

>>28535938
>>28535949
>/b/ boogeyman
Jesus Christ, can you make your newfaggotry any more obvious?

>>28535978
>newfag buzzword

Fuck off back to ribbit.

>>28529926
agreed

This thread makes me understand why the mods don't bother with this board and it makes me glad for it.
Some of you people are really dedicated to turn /vp/ into a no-fun allowed prison camp ruled by Nazis.

Luckily nothing of what you people are discussing here will ever happen because you're still by far the minority, while the vast majority is in other threads enjoying /vp/ just the way it is.

>Anime
>>>/a/
>Pokegirl/Waifufaggotry
>>>/e/
>>>/c/
>>>/h/
>Furshit including the cabbage lady
>>>/trash/

But most of all, just fucking enforce the current rules. That alone would be enough.

>>28534379
We've had polls.
It passed.

Other than the occasional storm of furry spam, /vp/ is already ok imo.

>>28536055
We just want shitposters like you to kill themselves, it's not asking too much honestly.

>>28535938
>>28535949
Have you ever actually been to /b/?

I haven't been to /b/ since they implemented captcha, actually. /vp/ may be full of underagedfags and shitposters but it you know at least you're going to get pokemon at the end of the day.

If you implement IDs on /vp/ you're not doing it because it's a /b/ tier board that needs to have its randomness controlled, you're doing it because a minority of people were upset they couldn't police what others posted in their circlejerk hugbox thread.

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>>28535909
It feels like just yesterday, was is really 3 years ago?

1) This board is doing fine for the vast majority of the time

2) You will never be able to separate ecchi/porn from pokeart completely. Something that looks cute could look lewd to another. As long as it's not outright porn, it should be allowed. Everyone visiting this site should be aware that even blue boards are not safe enough to open on a work computer.

3) Most of the shit is simply malaise as we wait for the next game to come out. ORAS was a colossal disappointment. Everyone who played XY already exhausted the post-game content that was copy/pasted into ORAS. The blame is solely on Gamefreak. We have 1 general purpose general for gen6 (/wfg/) and one hack thread /ekx/ and that's about fucking it. Sometimes there's shiny hunt weekend /shw/ but even it is basically dead. We will likely have multiple sustained generals after S&M release.

4) Two months from now most of the trash will be flushed off the board in a few minutes without a bump. We are fretting over nothing. This board is doing great.

>>28536062
Proofs
And even so, post it again and if people actually care to vote it won't

/trash/, /e/ and /h/ exist, fuck off

>>28536262
>This board is doing fine for the vast majority of the time
All boards are way overmoderated.

>>28536332
okay I can agree to that

>>28536157

Yep, and the sticky that Moot made was only two years ago.

>>28530182
>no frogposting are you kidding me?

kys

>>28534649
I'd like this.

>>28534437
>>28534534
From the looks of it, this poster is the only one from overnight that was reasonable and logical. Based anon.