/hsg/ hearthstone general

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Why do they print cards like this? I just don't understand the purpose in making a big legendary that nobody is ever going to put in a deck.

i want to suck on finja's toes!

>>161362227
>Jade Spirit
>Meh
Confirmed retarded.

>>161362337
stories, man

>>161362337
>be Blizzard
>make a strong heavy RNG legendary
>"WTF Blizzard why did you make this so strong?!"

>be Blizzard
>make an intentionally shitty "just for fun" heavy RNG legendary
>"WTF Blizzard why isn't this stronger!?"

being Blizzard is suffering

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>>161362337
Really makes you think.

Brode & friends must like those junky chaos red cards that we get like 1 per set in magic. Thank god these cards are mostly for shit and giggles and never leave the kitchen table. That's probably what they had in mind for HS desu.

So why is this coming out Thursday? Has any Blizzard product ever been released on any day besides Monday/Tuesday?

>>161362337
Hasn't Team 5 admitted they print cards purely designed for youtube highlights? That one certainly is.

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>>161362337
>intense art
>meme loving shit card text

Objective class power rankings next set

tier 1
1. Shaman: Midrange/Jade
2. Druid: Jade
3. Priest: Dragon midrange

tier 2
4. Mage: Tempo
5. Hunter: Face secrets

tier 3
6. Rogue: Miracle/Jade
7. Warrior: Tempo/Control
8. Warlock: Zoo/Reno

tier 4
9. Paladin: Anyfin control/worse warrior or zoo

If you disagree with this you are a shieldbearer

>>161362337

People said the same thing about Yogg because "Its too random"

Then see what happened

Noggenfogger could be a genuine defensive play in order to protect your shit against spells.

Also partially against minions but mostly spells: Noggenfogger could make an enemy spell go into the wrong minion (Burn go into his own minion or his own face, or a buff landing on your minion or a heal on your face etc.) but it'll only, at most, send one of his minions into the wrong minion/trade when we attempts to go face.

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>>161362504
>the skilled and the foolish are on equal footing
holyshit, flavor text knows best.

>>161362447

among all jade generators, it is the worse.

>>161362278
Does the new legendaries work like Reno?

>>161362607
doesn't do shit against aoe tho

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CARD RATINGS SPREADSHEET

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12keGki88ROQPPnogftM-Q9MnYzvl0KzGBXS9JesCRVg/

>>161362637
Being a Jade Golem generator automatically makes it good.

>>161362337
I don't get it. Is it just that every spell and battlecry has random targets? Or is it like moGOR TOO?

>>161362590
priest won't be that good because it'll get shit on by jade decks.

new meta will be play hyper aggro, play combo, or play jade m8.

don't know why they thought this jade golem mechanic was a good idea honestly, you can't possibly play for late game against it. You have to either burst them down with a combo or smash their face before they can get going.

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>>161362590
Looks good anon. Paladin tier is absolutely going to be a thing.
What about face/pirate/whatever warrior? Tier 2? They got some ridiculous cards.

>>161362740
Both, EVERYTHING targets randomly. I assume you can even flamestrike your own board, just like when Yogg sued to be stolen by Sylvanas and continue nuking shit left and right, before the nerf

>>161362723
Thanks for this

>>161362607
It's a fucking 5/4 for NINE(9) mana

it will literally NEVER see play

>>161362740

Its literally ALL MINIONS/SPELLS/EFFECTS

Anything that involves you picking a target: No more, where it goes is random.

Mogor was extremely lowkey compared to this. Mogor had a 50% chance for his effect to trigger when someone attacked, and then the target of their attack was randomised when it did trigger

This is 100% trigger rate, and affects battlecries, spells, attacks, anything whenever a target is designated

>>161362278

I actually never thought I would live to see this moment

I don't see how jade golems are gonna ever be balanced...

>>161362818
You can't flamestrike your own board, mongoloid. AOEs don't target anything.

any fucktards wanna rage with me?

joocelee #1296 (NA)

>>161362806
problem with aggro warrior is that it always struggles to be better than hunter
even aggro shaman is now worse than face hunter with rockbiter nerfed

>>161362775
that actually might be true
it might very well be that priest just gets rolled over by the shamans and druids

>>161362818

>Targets are chosen randomly

Tell me friend, how often do you target flamestrike?

It affects TARGETING

>>161362980
it basically kills any kind of slow deck that doesn't also play jade golems. It's really stupid. Don't why they thought this was a good idea.

>>161362723
bumping this

So on December 1st, will arena give out meme street packs or will it be a random one? I don't want to make the mistake of buying a lot of packs and then crafting the first meta deck of the expansion like I did with C'thun Druid. I kinda want to spread out acquiring cards until things settle down.

there's nothing wrong with shitty rng cards, but allowing them in the ranked card pool is.

>>161363078
Yeah, no control deck will ever win against Jade Druid. Literally unlimited 10/10+s.

>>161362986
>>161363029

You could with Yogg before the nerf if it changed sides. That's all I'm saying

>>161363258
That proves our point.

>>161362590
has /hsg/ ever been correct about anything? you mostly seem to just parrot reddit memes and can't analyze cards passed the obvious

>>161363018
Honestly aggro hunter/warrior/paladin should all move up, priest/mage/warlock should move down.

"paladin tier" should be rogue tier.

although maybe miracle rogue will still be good. mage will still have freeze and reno mage might work but will probably be worse than freeze.

preist and any kind of warlock that isn't zoo will just get shit on by green golems of much fairness and control.

>>161363258
are you fucking retarded? that's just because yogg started casting spells for your opponent. name one instance yogg casted flamestrike on your own board when he was still on your side

>>161363417
I know anon, I'm just saying that MAYBE it COULD happen with that new card. But I dont think it will since you're both right, AoE dont target.

>>161363410
How is aggro paladin good?
All your cards are extremely huge tempo loss early game which is when you need extremely huge tempo gains.

>>161362723
>>161362723
>>161362723
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>>161362723
>>161362723
this

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>>161363379
>has /hsg/ ever been correct about anything?
Yes.

>>161363379
no reddit and common shitters like >>161363410 actually and unironically think rogue is going to be worse than paladin which is so hilariously retarded I wonder if they ever broke rank 15

priest is probably worse than I said tho but I'm pretty sure rest of the list is reasonably accurate
control decks are going to get bullied hard by jade decks, shaman will remain incredibly strong, aggro and burn will still counter those decks (face hunter and tempo mage both of which will remain powerhouses), miracle rogue is also reasonable at the moment and got some support, warrior and warlock are gonna get left behind since their control archtypes get bullied and their aggro archtypes outclassed and paladin just has nothing going for it at all

>>161363721
the evolve cards, eternal sentinel and xaril were overrated
rest is pretty accurate except evolved kobold saw some fringe use in freeze mage

also yogg was seriously underrated

>>161363721
>Evolved Kobold
>The worst

>>161362723
i dont get it

>>161363721
Evolved Kobold is one of the breakout cards of the expansion.

>>161363848
>Xaril overrated
Xaril is a good card, however Rogue is not good enough to maintain her. I run her in my Questing Miracle Rogue and she's 10/10.

>>161363859
>>161363903
I'm aware. Ironforge Portal was in the Bottom 10 of Kara as well.

I rebut with "Everyone was thinking Ironforge/Evolved would be bad", even if that's a cop-out

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>>161363721
Yeah, just look at all the competitive play evolve, master of evolution, xaril and eternal sentinel get.

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>New set coming out Thursday
>New SV expansion reveal Friday
>New Overwatch Ladder starting
>Still new-ish D2 ladder going on
>Uni finals starting next week

>>161363881
You can copy the file and rate each card.

>>161363735
>shitter

hey I'll have you know you're talking to someone who got legend a whopping one (1) time many seasons ago!

I'm basically pro.

I maintain that aggro paladin is being underrated.

>>161363986
they all did see much more play than the bottom ranked cards, even if their usage dwindled hard

>>161364146
wow the intellectuals at /hsg/ were able to predict that duskboar is a bad card :^)

>>161364015
why? is it going to show the average rating for everyone?

>>161364048
what can aggro paladin do that zoolock or hunter doesn't do better?
absolutely nothing
paladin has no good minions, expensive and clunky buffs, no board flooding, no good removal, shit card draw and probably most importantly 0 burst which makes it impossible to close out games
I've played a ton of aggro paladin since standard and it just doesn't have anything going for it
mediocre buffs won't change that

what minions do you even intend to buff? paladin has barely any playable minions

>>161364272
I would assume it's just for personal record keeping. I like it.

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>tfw based frogs of shaman slaying

>>161363986
One off master of evolution is ok in midrange shaman.

>>161363985
I was so confused people thinking that ironforge was going to be bad

it was like, are people seriously making the same mistake as thinking shieldmaiden is bad again?

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>>161364492

>tfw top deck lethal

The /hsg/ Prediction Poll for Mean Streets of Gadgetzan is UP
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdZiDyQoWIX-QTanorod5aiXAdRCUEvgVEIASSkZJwfcyuepw/viewform

You got until some arbitrary time this week to get in your response. Let's see some hot opinions

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One thing we have to remember in evaluating Krul is that a few of the cards now add Demons to your hand, meaning there's less of a punish for running the highlander deck, which normally would have fewer demons. Stuff like this card, for example.

And remember, one of Kazakus' effects adds random demons to your hand.

>>161365028
>implying renolock will survive after ladder gets JADED

Did anyone else notice that they gave Priest five premium five drops, all in the same expansion? Why the hell do they always do this? Why don't they stagger out the mana cost?

>>161365339
so all the shitty priest retards hurt themselves trying to build a deck and include all the 5 drops and lose

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I'll make my own rogue set.

>>161365625
have fun playing it on ladder

>>161365793

>playing JADEstone

you poor soul

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AURAS FUCKING WHEN?

>>161366068
Never.

>>161365625
>/hsg/ Prediction Poll for Mean Streets of Gadgetzan is UP
>https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdZiDyQoWIX-QTanorod5aiXAdRCUEvgVEIASSkZJwfcyuepw/viewform
I main rogue but this shit is worse than shaman

>>161362227
thanks for making the thread early and fucking things up faggot, i hope you enjoy the adrenaline rush

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>add someone from /hsg/ to help them with a spectate quest awhile ago
>they are now not so subtly asking I buy them packs for streets

reminder to always remove /hsg/ people after you're with a quest

>>161366205
>Being this autistic

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Reposting because I didn't get much feedback in the other thread :( Just wanted to share my homebrew with you guys :) Do you think this will be any good when the expansion comes out?

>>161366134
razah the unchained is already does this.

>>161366068
Including card types in the game other than minions, weapons and spells would make the game too complex for most players, anon.

There's a reason why no one plays YGO or MtG.

>>161366245
do you like radiohead?

>>161366245
can you even do that? I don't think you can even gift people bnet money outside of emailing them a gift card, which ifthat's what he's asking for then LMAO

>>161366262

>midrange shaman in the coming era of cheap and multiple board wipes

control lotus or bust

>>161366259
i posted something in the other thread and now i can't post it here without changing a pixel in photoshop first. it's legitimately annoying and there's no reason to make threads before the bump limit, other than because you're chasing a dopamine rush and want to be the op

>>161366289
He's a creature that permanently changes the function of a specific ability in the game.

>>161366307
>There's a reason why no one plays YGO or MtG.

and that reason is they prefer to keep their focus on the physical TCG market

>>161366245
Did you sound rich or something? How does someone come to a conclusion someone is better off to buy you stuff?

>>161366371
I was going to say "none of the classes have access to board clears" except...shaman.

Maybe Jade Shaman will become a thing? Board clears + Golems could be a pretty strong combo, although druid will be able to shit out more of them quickly with ramp if they draw the nuts

>>161366371
You're right, I might get utterly btfo if they play their 6 mana board wipe :( How can meager midrange shamans compete?

I gurantee you, this set will dominate standard

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>man I'm fucking sick of shaman I'll go play wild
>every tim

yes he dropped MC afterwards, this was with secretkeeper coin noblesac + minibot + muster

I really doubt the new expansion is going to stop making this the best deck in the game, all these new board clears only come down on or after turn 6 so everything is just going to get redemption+avenge'd

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>>161366307
>There's a reason why no one plays YGO or MtG.

>"Hey Brode, people don't like aggro shaman"
>"What? Why not?"
>"Probably because a 4 mana 7/7 was really strong after we nerfed BGH"
>"Huh, let's see what we can do for the next expansion"
>"Yeah, maybe more contro-"
>"5 mana 10/10."

>>161366432

i added him on steam and then he used that to get into my social media and found out my job irl

>>161366379
>you're
nigga I'm not even OP, I'm just saying: who gives a shit.
Answer is obviously you.

>>161366637
that is a control card though

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interesting cards never

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100% ACCURATE UPCOMING META SUMMARY:
>Midrange Shaman cucks Jade Druid
>Jade Druid cucks Dragon Priest
>Dragon Priest cucks Midrange Shaman

>>161366430
it carries across hero powers. if you finley and get armor up, your armor up costs 0 mana. it's not just a battlecry, it's a battlecry that causes a permanent effect which i suspect is put on a table somewhere and is constantly checked

>>161366637
you're an idiot

>>161366743
>"Let's give shamans another 5/5 taunt"
>"Because the last one wasn't used in aggro decks"
>"And let's make it add a 5 mana 10/10 card to your deck"
>"Because sure let's buff aggro shaman late-draws"

To the guy.

My legendary midrange hunter. (Malc)
Vs your agro shaman.

>You're at 3, and I am at 24 health.

>I had 18 damage left on the board.

>And you had 17.

>It was gg

>Top dick nat pagel

>Clear board and trade

>Play Nat Pagel, "I can sit and fish here all day."

>Hold kill command on your face until rope.

Kapaow mother fucker
Smorc

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Consider the following

>>161366764
You are a 100% homo if you think that dragon priest is going to cuck mid shaman

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>Turn 4 drop a 7/7
>Turn 5 drop a 10/10 taunt
BROOOOOOOOOOOOODE

>>161366862
FTH.

>>161362538
Majordomo was basically the admittance of that.

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>>161366904
It's happening.

>>161366904
they have a 1 mana shadowmadness and dragonfire potion. you're the homo

>>161366903
>no kunt aviana nonsense
highly unfun

>>161366694
Well, that was on you.

>>161367006
the 1 mana shadow madness has no target. at best it takes a tunnel trogg and trades it into a totem golem leaving it alive

>>161366904
>gorillian boardclears, effectively 4 sw:p's, LET ME CHANGE YOUR MIND/potion of madness w/ pint sized potion

I'm only 50% homo u fuck

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>my fucking face when I finally fixed my stream audio
/hsg/ meme tournament soon. Get your decks ready kiddos, we're going in hard.

Instead of outright deck bans, we will be using the Batstone format, where each competitor will pick a card to ban. Determining on the number of competitors, standard /hsg/ anons will also be given the opportunity to ban cards.

>>161366694
why don't you buy him the cards if you have money to spare?

captcha is driving me insane with the disappearing pictures. have to go through 6 dissappearing ones before i get a normal one

>>161365028
Yes, but you would actually have to pick one of the Demon options when selecting the spell. I don't want to do that so that i might make a subpar card maybe okay.

>a few
That's the only card.
As for Trafficker, the card i think is individually good enough to run in reno. the only way Krul will be relevant really is if you get it off of this card, in which case it is one of the better ones you could receive.

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>>161362227
>>161359192
claimed

Fuck I didn't even bother playing this month only rank 8.

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>>161366980
>6 mana
>doesn't kill Azure Drake

>>161367006
>Potion of Madness
>doesn't target totem golem
>doesn't kill feral spirits
>can never kill anything with 3 health

>tfw only 3000 dust and 1500 gold for expansion
>tfw still don't have any old gods legendaries
>tfw missing TGT epics and legendaries for fun decks before rotation

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>>161367158
Looking forward to it, Andy!

>>161367124
>the 1 mana shadow madness has no target.

t. Shieldbearer

>>161366694
how much personal info you have on your steam account so he can find out that?

>>161367158
where's the info?

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>>161367148
>two card combo to half clear the board once when shaman has 4 board clears under 3 mana.

my sides

>>161363986
They only don't see play because shaman has too many damn good cards to choose from.

>>161367364
name them

>>161367404
Info will come as soon as I properly plan with holidays and work.

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>>161362337
Call me a faggot apologist but not every card is made to be tier 1 competitive.

Some is to enable wacky shit for highlights, some is to enable people wanting to play quirky/sub-optimal archetypes (timmy/johnny/spike), some are to test out effects/archetypes to see if it's worth building on them in later sets. Hell, sometimes they print cards for lore reasons, although thats more of a MTG thing than a HS thing because MTG doesn't have other warcraft stuff for that.

I think the line they have to tread is to do this, while also keeping things vaguely in line. Blizzard's problem is variation in their power level between cards. Some things are just garbage and some things are clearly OP, and they are way too conservative in using the electronic format to balance shit out.

>tfw team 5 will NEVER let rogue be good again

>tfw druid and warrior are tier 1 every single fucking expansion

>>161367551
Finally, some common sense in a cage full of shit-flinging mongs

>>161367551
faggot apologist

>>161367551
>not every
>Some is
if only that were the case friend but it's more like
>the majority

>>161367583
Spectacular!

Druid does need to calm down a little

>faggot evolve shaman wins with usual shaman opening and tfb
>he had to play master of evolution and pantry spider on turn 7 to show me he was actually evolve shaman
Epic.

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>we can't go one release without druid being top tier

>>161367158

Can we just ban shaman outright too?

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let's have fun

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>another rager clone

At this point, I will just react like pic-related.

Who actually defends this expansion now?

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man, I'm bored

I have to ask, why did they make it a tree and not something else? Why did they want to make a neutral Ancient when it could easily have been an ogre or something? Nothing about the card screams tree. I'm not really complaining, but I just wonder why.

>>161368076
What a fucking surprise that the only class with evergreen mana cheats is always on top, isn' it?

>>161367424
>pint sized potion/cabal shadow priest
>board clear

mother fucker Cabal is insane value. 6 mana 4/5, battlecry banish your opponents minion and summon a copy. Legit one of the few OP cards priest has in classic

>>161368279

*Kodo Noises*

>>161368373
>steal searing totem
WOW!

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>>161368279

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>let's give mage another pyroblast

Lovely.

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>>161368318
>pic related

>>161368464
You might be an idiot.

>>161363721
Quick someone post more pre-expansion prediction images.

>>161368318
It's a health weighted taunt for 6 mana. That's pretty ancient like.

>>161368464
this is going in my barnes n'zoth rhonin deck

>>161368415
>what is pint sized potion

it's shrinkmeister on a stick

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>Hey anon, thanks for having this meeting with me today.
>Now, I know you were getting excited, you heard that corporate was bringing in some new hotshot to run things. They had all these crazy stories about Priest and blah blah blah I don't want to bore you with the details.
>You've always been one of my best employees anon. I really trust your performance piloting midrange shaman.
>I just got off the phone with corporate. They gave me some news and I thought I'd let you know before I tell anyone else.
>I'm not getting replaced! That's right: midrange shaman will still be the best deck after the new expansion!
>I just want to thank you for all your hard work, you've been a great midrange shaman player these past couple of months.
>No need to thank me, it was all you.
>Now let's get out there and keep playing midrange shaman! I bet you'll even get legend a second time!

>>161368518
>lets print a vanilla neutral taunt minion with below average stats
Why is this allowed? Why not a 4/8? It would still be bad.

>>161368376

>can't be targeted by battlecries

>>161368417
what does this mean

>>161368786

Kodo doesn't target tho.

>>161368786
Yes?

>>161368786
Stampeding Kodo doesn't target shit, you shieldbearer.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/11758234

Which was the easiest deck to play in HS? I left undertaker hunter off on purpose.

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>>161368117
No I like Crusher Shaman and Witchdoctor memes.

>>161368519
This is the only other one I have

>>161369002
highest i ever got was rank 2 with undertaker hunter

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>tfw the best card rogue got this entire fucking expansion was stealth rager
I'm not even a roguefag but this hurts

>>161369002
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11758234
No offense kiddo, but it will be incredibly difficult to be Secret Paladin out.

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>>161369059
Here's the one without the "how it actually turned out"

>1 win away from rank 5 in wild
>match doesnt load
>relog
>You were reconnected to your last game. Resuming...
>doesnt connect
It shouldn't bother me since I already got 5 in standard, but man blizzard is real fucking trash of a company.

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Non-pre-order players:
>Willl ge completly shafted by the awful pulls from their very few packs grinded for months (LOL), MAYBE get a legendary (warlock legendary every time)
>Cant make a proper Jade deck, or 10/10 Shaman deck, or Rats Hunter deck, or Buff Paladin deck.... or any kind of deck right now because of the lack of gold and dust
>They will be unable to even complete quest that requires win games on Standard because of the overpowered preorder decks that will dominate the ladder even on rank 20
>Will continue to play their same tier 3 outdated decks for months

Pre-order players:
>Will have every single common/rare/epic and every lego up release, multiple copies even
>Several golden cards
>Got countless options for building all the new meta decks right off the bat and can have fun also making fun rewarding decks like Jade Druid and Wallet Priest
>Dominate the ladder easly to rank 5 and beyond all the way legend, gets free wins all the time from the weak free2pay players
>Will love the expansion as their experience will be vastly different because they aren't poorfags stuck with meme cheap decks like zoo

Will you have fun being raped again and again and never getting those wins for that quest anon?
Why you even play this game if you're a poorfag?

>>161369112
Honestly thought secret paladin was harder to come back from shit draws.

>>161369264
>Jade decks
>not incredibly cheap

this b8 was better in old gods prerelease because the focus was on the phat leggos. With the exception of Aya Jade decks are RIDICULOUSLY cheap and strong. It pretty much spells the end of expensive control decks when your opponent has the Jaraxxus HP on steroids

>>161369002

At least shaman has to consider things like overload.

>>161368258
I LOVE that art. It's a shame the best Murloc art of all time is on a card that has nothing to do with them.

>>161369002
zoo

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Got astral meme off of raven idol, paid out surprisingly well.

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>check outside
>snow everywhere suddenly

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>>161370092
Anon, I wish I could have snow. It's too damned hot where I'm from. Frolic just once for me, alright?

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Thoughts? Is it good or did he deserve a better card?

>>161369109
I haven't given a shit about rogue since they killed miracle. I don't know how you put up with the abuse.

>>161370556
How many cards does he need to draw to meet value? 3, 4?

>>161370556
It's very good although the lack of a Dragon tag is a travesty

>>161370556
MONSTER CARDO

>>161370556
It really doesn't seem that good since in all likelihood he'll just draw one, maybe two cards. And also, Dragon decks weren't wanting on card draw, since they played so slow and had Azure Drake and had Netherspite. So, I really just don't see what his purpose is presently.

Also, make the nigger a dragon. I don't care if he's in whatever form, he's still a dragon. Also, he's a rogue and stealthy, not a big "look at me" nigger orc.

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>>161370556
I think it's overrated and will be a waste of dust to craft especially compared to this honey. Anons put up a good argument for it though.

>>161370092
EU, huh

>>161370736
If he draws at least 2 it's OP as shit. Pre-nerf Ancient of Lore for 1 less mana.

>>161370736
It's a yeti with a taunt and a card draw for 6 mana. I would say that every time he gets you more than one card he gets pretty amazing.

It's triggering me that he is not a dragon though.

>>161370556
It's good but I don't see him going in a jade golem deck or an aggro deck or a combo deck so he's not going to see play.

Non golem midrange/control is just going to be strictly worse than golem midrange/control so there's no reason to play it.

>>161370828
you're undervaluing drawing a card. Even if it just draws 1, it's a 4/5 body. It's worth it. If it draws any more than 1, it's insane.

>>161370857
Well, they belong in much different decks, but generally I agree. This dyke bitch will be pretty good since it triggers on itself.

>>161370880
You have to bear in mind the different style of deck, though.

>>161371091
Even in dragon priest, having a 6 health minion isn't hard to complete. Much easier to setup over a dragon on top of your deck.

>>161362227

Is this the worst expansion to date?

I applaud team 5 for avoiding power creep on GVG levels, but every card this xpac is almost straight up worthless compared to their classic counterparts.

Also the lack of interesting card effects for the most part is a bit of a let down.

>>161371206
>shit tons of aoe
>family class mechanics
>anything ever being worse than tgt inspire and joust

nah mate

>>161371206
I actually think this is a great expansion aside from one thing... jade golems.

And sadly it looks like that one thing might be bad enough to ruin the whole set.

so, what happened to life coach helping the balance team? did he just help with priest and druid and then left?

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>freeze mage
>freeze mage
>tempo mage
>freeze mage
>freeze mage
JUST FUCKING STOP ALREADY

>>161371494
>implying the druid cards are well balanced
>implying anything about jade golems is well balanced

well balanced and strong are different things anon

>>161371507
>>>/r9k/

come release, be prepared to die to face warrior every game.

What a fucking deck.

>>161371494
Judging by their attitude, his advice was probably ignored because it infringed on their policies regarding class design, class archetypes, design space and their focus on fun and stories.

>>161371206
It's better than TGT and about equal to GVG.

>>161369264

>trying to justify pre-ordering this shitty expansion

Here's laughing at you and hope you draw all those 9 mana 4/5 legendary to tell stories with.

>>161369059
>moroes squiggly
>runic egg and arcane anomaly check marks

they're bad cards but if they deserve a check mark moroes definitley deserves one.

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Do you think Rag is a good card in a Grimy Goons deck?

Feels weird giving him handbuffs.

>>161371876
Rag is good in literally every deck.

>>161371876

he should be 9 mana

>>161371876
>Grimy Goons deck
rag can't save it from being shit

>>161371908
>shitter spotted

>>161371876
Rag is better than the rest of goon deck

>>161372247
>>161372219

you guys realize that the hunter grimy goons deck is good right

>>161371876
Nah
Probably run Argent Commanders again in Grimy Goons. My first try is going to be getting someone with Don and King Krush.
>>161372294
I'm going to guess hunter will be the worst one since without card draw you'll be telling your opponent your hand the entire game.

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Who /metahype/ here?

>>161372396
I think knowing how many spells are in your opponents hand is a huge advantage people aren't realizing.

I JUST SAVED UP ENOUGH TO BUY SIX PACKS

YES

>>161372420
How do you survive against aggro decks?
How do you survive against control decks?
How do you win games with this piece of shit?

>>161372487

I thought that too during the demonstration, another negative for goon decks.

>>161372294
Hunter already has problems with card draw. Goon warrior was out of steam very fast even though opponent didn't play much and after that point played overpriced goon cards in topdeck mode with nothing to hit. Now using Crates, Cache and 3/3 to buff Dispatch Kodo and Rat sounds okay but how are you going to control the board in the early game and refill hand later?

>>161372531
wow 240 dust!

Why does /hsg/ hate hearthstone so much? I don't think any other general is quite so hateful towards their own game.

>>161372420
You know even you manage to get hand buffs and good targets in the starting hand, buff your weenies +3/+3 each by turn 5 and start playing them, opponent can just race you.

>>161372774
Because we care

>>161372835

the developers clearly dont

>>161372774
>I don't think any other general is quite so hateful towards their own game.
You could be surprised.

>>161372774
You never have been on /dng/.

Konami is such a bullshit company that keeps a constant cycle of Tier 0 $1000 decks that only last 6 months, leaving EVERYONE ass sore in one way or another.

Blizzard and HS are bad, but I had to actually quit Yugioh because of how bullshit Konami practices are

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>>161372774
Because we've watched as a game we've enjoyed has been ruined. Hearthstone has so much potential to be great and it's being squandered.

is there anyway to spaghetti code our own game and release it as a 'vanilla' version?

>>161373220
probably

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>>161372774
We're old, jaded, and sick of Blizz jewery, anon. With some Blizzcuck exceptions You sound new, so run while you still have time, It's too late for me.

>>161373138
Just play Shadowverse then

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what happens??

>>161362880
It will see a lot of play. Evolve for example will make it appear everywhere

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Everyone, right now POST exactly how hyped you are for Gadgetzan.

So. Do you guys think they will add Monk, Death Knight and Demon Hunter to Hearthstone?

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>>161373646

>>161373571
ALL minions

>priest becomes oppressive
>game dies

seems like a win-win to me

>>161373708

new class will only be introduced if the game is dying. deathknight alongside naxxramas re release in 3 years. screen cap this

>>161373708
They will break out the Death Knight switch when literally nobody is playing, to bring in the old folks. Short of that, NEVER EVER.

Also, never ever for Monk or Demon Hunter.

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>>161373646

Like, gee, I can see that 9 mana 5/4 being my first opened lego off the expansion. Might as well craft what I need and move on.

>added the evolution mechanic to game.
>each player is given evolution points at the beginning of the game. 2 for first, and 3 for second
>the player going first can evolve at turn 5 while the person going second can evolve at 4.
>you can spend 1 point per turn to evolve a minion giving it +2/+2 and charge. (but it can't attack the hero if summoned that turn)

is this what saves Hearthstone?

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>>161373646
I'm optimistic.

>>161373646
meh

>>161373646
Only interested in Druid and Hunter.

>>161372651
>>161372396

what iterations of hunter actually have played card draw beyond psuedo tutor tracking? do either of you actually play this game?


goons hunter is the exact same, you attempt to land a buff on either rat pack or kodo and blow the game out from there. you probably merge the secret deck with the beast buff cards and just look to blow people out by turn 5.

it will play the same as every *good* hunter deck.

>>161371713
>class design/archetypes

I am so fucking sick of this excuse when they give Shamans and Warriors the ability to play every fucking deck archetype available and then refuse to give Rogues fucking anything because "muh class identity"

I don't even play Rogue but it's painfully obvious they are making shit up as they go along to cover their own asses. Shaman gets a better fucking healbot because why the fuck not. Warriors can be aggro, tempo, control, why the fuck not.

>>161374000
>Shaman gets Floral Fencer and Banner
Make it happen Blizz

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>>161373646

>>161374214
Why must we kill animals

I'm going to play jade rogue when the next set comes out and nobody can stop me!

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>>161374116

>Valeera's new cards from the expansion is the coin and the aggro card

Feels bad for those who are still farming for their golden portrait.

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>>161373646

>>161374260
Good luck anon!

>>161374114
Well that was my point I guess. Just Grimy Goon hunter deck won't work. Is putting beast rager and smuggler's crate a goon deck? I don't think so, but okay.

>>161374114
>what iterations of hunter actually have played card draw
Buzzard hunter, quickshot in every hunter after BRM. Also hunter uses card draw like thalnos, loot hoarder and azure drakes sometimes.

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>>161373646
All I wanted was reno mage/warlock goodness.

Unfortunately vs jade that's a matchup more polarizing than freeze/CW

>>161374260

Don't become jaded from all those losses.

>>161374316
This guy looks good to me

>>161374459
he's pretty awful going second

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>patches gets announced
>"oh yeah, we're really happy with how we designed him. there's gonna be a lot of pirate synergy in this expansion!"
>literally 3 other pirate cards in the entire set

>>161374527

>coin buccaneer+buccaneer

What now, chief?

>>161373646
I was pretty hype but then I saw jade golems in action and now I'm deeply concerned

>>161374527
Equip weapon first and play him as 1 mana 3/2 next turn

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So the preview patch with all the cards is hitting during maintanance today, right?

>>161374578
Oh and
>none of the other 3 pirates have synergy with any other pirates

The Pirate tribal was a mistake.

>>161374259
That not always that cute, anon. What? Are you going to stop stuffing your fat face with camel burgers now?

>>161374578
I think there's enough pirates right now for it to work. It's not like you want a deck filled with 30 pirates, anyhow. We have the 12-15 that are best.

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>slow decks like renolock already COMPLETE garbage
>make jade golems to ensure they are eternally shitted on for the next 2 years

what's really sad is how much jade is better than Jaraxxus. It's like if Jaraxxus was able to curve out throughout the whole game and hero power multiple times a turn.

>>161374685
All the cards have already been revealed.

>>161374809
I know, that's not what i asked about.

>>161374882
Then, yes, patches on Tuesdays.

>>161374781
Well, they'll be alright in Wild. Nobody plays boring Standard stuff in Wild. It's all just collectors showing off their golden hobgoblins. So, there's a home for you there.

>>161374685
ye

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>>161373646
>Kabal has good cards and promote different Reno decks
>Jade lotus and Goons are gonna get stale once they get optimized
Overall, I'd give this expansion a 6/10. If someone finds a fun deck that wins against Jade, an 8/10 Proud to be Priest, Kabal for life, yo

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why is this costed like its overload (1) and not overload (1) for the rest of the game until you reach 10 mana

>>161374936
>>161374919
Thanks.

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>>161372913
It's not a big topper but I'm still fucking mad about Minerva

>>161374936
>Nobody plays boring Standard stuff in Wild
Midrange shamans do

>>161374349
it's far better than either of the other two grimy goon decks. What are the win conditions for the other grimy goons decks?

You play paladin cards except they have bigger stats now? You can't play aggro and try to end the game early because the paladin buffs ( whole hand ) don't particulary synergize with vomiting your hand and then reloading. You aren't playing it in n'zoth lists or anyfin lists.
It's just some shitty midrange paladin deck where you play some shitty buff cards then play paladin cards with bigger stats later.

With warrior it seems to be the same thing, unless you're playing the whole weapon buffs/pirates deal, and at that point, you're only playing the 2 cards(?) that buff weapons solely for the reason to go face. Midrange warrior is terrible. Control warrior won't play it.
I think face warrior is less of a "goons deck" then hunter.

Hunter has the potential for swing turns with rat pack and kodo and then you do what hunter is good at after that tempo swing, finishing the game.

2x beastrager, 2x ratpack, 2x kodo, 2x crate, 2x cache, then whatever secret package and burn you want.

This deck and the face warrior deck seem like playable "goon archetypes", much more playable than kabal for sure. Probably shits on jade golem decks aswell.

>>161374936
>nobody plays boring standard stuff in Wild

no, it's just secret paladin: the experience. I even run into a couple aggro shamans running crackle

>>161374527
yeah but if you're going second you have coin combo activator for si:7

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>>161375048
You're absolutely right but I'm not calling it a goon deck.

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>>161369264
>Cant make a proper Jade deck, or 10/10 Shaman deck, or Rats Hunter deck, or Buff Paladin deck
>or Buff Paladin deck

>tfw I have a golden sylv, golden leeroy (both I have the standard copies of), 2000 dust and 3300 gold for the expansion

>>161374987
Yeah, it's dumb. I don't know why the balance designers think losing a mana crystal is such a light penalty. That should be a two cost card; that just makes it an execute without the condition, plus a massive penalty. And also the temptation to put yourself way behind really early on.

>>161375229
you'd actually have to be a goon to play a "goon deck" then.

>>161375269
If it were 0 mana i still wouldn't run it. Losing a mana crystal is incredibly bad.

So other than rogue, what other classes get shat on for this expansion? It just reminds me of TGT, but this time without even an interesting lego like Justicar.

>>161374987
Because it's made by the same people who think destroying a minion is worth more than transforming it in a useless frog

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So what happens if you kill an enemy deathlord with this thing on board, do you take the 5 damage? I don't think there's a mechanic for what specifically summons a minion, just who owns it

>>161375431
No, but it'd be a much stronger arena card. And who knows, maybe hard removal will be important this set, since there are a lot of hella fatties, and all the board clear may encourage slower games with bigger minions. We shall see.

>>161375495
Well, knife juggler would trigger and it has the same wording, so it won't be good for you.

That being said, this guy is probably my favorite card in the set. It's a solid build-around that can also function in a slightly tuned deck. And I love the higher stats for a cost gimmick of Warlock. Very cool.

I hope jade shaman won't become a thing

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>>161375495
It will behave exactly like this card does.

>>161375572
I'm just upset it's shitting up the potion pool. Why didn't they just make Chemist discover a potion? Now there are 5 good to excellent ones and 4 nearly usless ones.

>>161375684
>>161375635
Isn't there a difference with "whenever" and "after"?

>>161375730
I think it's very intentional that they shit up the potion pool.

>>161375802
yes, after happens, well, after. just like flamewaker shoots after a spell

>>161375730
Stories to tell your friends :^)

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>>161370556
>Not a dragon

YOU HAD ONE JOB, TEAM 5

>>161375651
It won't. Jade Lightning is quite good, but Shaman got no early game jade cards, (which are really how any jade deck functions) except the weapon which is outdone by spirrt claws and exceedingly clunky to run two of and play twice before you start playing jade lightning. Your first play you can expect regulrly is jade lightning for a 2/2 or a 1/1. They needed one more early game card really bad. The whole point of jade decks is basically to abuse Aya (the Vek'lor equivalent for JG decks) and Shaman will fail miserably at this. Then also the other JG shaman card sucks.

There's really no way to make it work and it will feel painfully redundant because the good shaman cards you'll include will carry you every game. It'd be like running a worse midrange shaman. By far the worst jg class.

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Doesn't this mean you can just see which card in his hand is Consecration?

>>161375730
>>161375924
Yeah, I really feel like it should have been discover. The only issue we have had with discover before is that it could only work with cards that function in all the classes, so no "Discover a secret" since only three classes have secrets. But now we have cross-class discover and also that card that discovers an overload card, so really they could have bent the rules and make Chemist much better.

I mean, how else will "Discover a card with Overload" work other than just discovering a Shaman card?

>>161375802
It may make no difference, it may mean you take the damage before battlecries happen (which is relevant for healing). For instance, if you're at 3, and you play an earthen farseer, maybe you die before the heal? Probably not, since mortal damage doesn't actually kill until all effects resolve, but still. Maybe you'll take damage before Violet Illusionist saves you.

>>161375802
difference between counterspell and cat trick.

>>161376134
I'm very curious to see what happens when a rogue that burgled it plays it. It may just show neutral minions. Or worse, it may fizzle.

>>161376052
it's better that way. if they made it a dragon it would stop drawing as soon as it drew itself...

>>161376130
yes team 5 fucked up big time, I hope it get's fixed as soon as it's out

>tfw in a week you will be able to spend your hard earned coins and open a bunch of packs

Funnest part of HS desu lads

Much better than the week of experimentation before we head back to the shaman meta

>>161376130
>be shittest faction
>blizzard makes it shitter for literally no reason
sasuga

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>>161373646

>>161376451
>week
It's this friday. 1st of december.

>>161376431
its a "feature"

>>161376127
>but Shaman got no early game jade cards
Shaman has enough already and got 2 mana weapon that summons Jade Golem too. Shaman got 2 fairly priced removal cards that summon Jade Golems, removal is always more useful that ramp or cute late game combos.

>>161362227
So is the 25 dollar 5000 amazon coins deal over with or something? I cannot get a discount code to work.

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>you hear laughing in the distance

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>>161376816
>>161376816
I'll confess that I am a little mad. But this is divine punishment for having a chuckle about amgam rager. It opened the floodgates of pain.

>>161376816
>tfw rogue is the new priest

>>161376130
Yeah, so not only are the new Paladin cards not really viable but they also completely give away how many spells or weapons you have in hand (if you have any).

The difference for the opponent between not knowing and knowing that you have Equality/Consecration in your hand is just yet another reason not to play an already terrible deck type.


Paladin is dead, even more dead than Rogue since at the very least Rogue has access to Jade Golem cards and can therefore make a decent Jade Golem deck.

Paladin literally has nothing at this point, all of their good decks were control decks and Jade Golem kills that so hard it isn't even funny.

Competitively speaking Paladin is just straight up an unplayable class in 2 days.

>>161375651
They have better everything than golems. Best mid-range in the game that isn't getting changes, and all the new cards favor control shaman more than golem shaman. A 2 cost overload weapon and a 4 cost do 4 damage spell aren't going to pump out the golems at a steady clip like rogue or druid. Its literally a half assed golem deck because it doesn't have any of the cards to support the playstyle.

I mean seriously, look at what rogue and druid both get as cards, and what they can do with them compared to shaman. Its night and day.

>>161376954
No man, Paladin is the new Priest.

Rogue is the new Rogue. As in you'll be in exactly the same place as before in terms of usability as the second worst class. But at least your Jade Golem cards are playable.

> Magma Rager is widely considered to be one of the worst cards in the game. In 2014 it was officially confirmed "the worst card in the game" on-stage at BlizzCon, where it was stated that players won only 29% of games played with Magma Rager in their deck.[1] However, according to Ben Brode in September 2016 the card has since been superseded by an even worse, unnamed card.[2]

What is the card with a lower winrate than Magma Rager, /hsg/?

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>>161371876
>is rag a good card in a deck

>>161376130
How so? I didn't watch the stream earlier.

>>161377091
Some people will play tier 2 shaman deck just for the kick of it

>>161377159
Your opponent can see which cards are buffed in your hand due to a persistent effect.

For Paladin this means that it highlights how many minions they have and how many non-minions they have.

So the second you play a Paladin hand buff you reveal to your opponent exactly how many spells you have in hand.

>>161377229
Holy shit why? Does it show a number or something? Why the shit would they make goons even worse?

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>turn 8 tirion into turn 9 tirion from light in the darkness to turn 10 n'zoth

jesus christ, this was with both aldors and a humility to get the early game

>>161377159
All buffed minions in hand have sparkles which both players see. Opponent can guess how many minions and spells/weapons you have in hand.

>>161377274
that's when you topdeck kill command.

>>161377265
The buffed cards sparkle. It doesn't indicate anything other than that they have recieved a buff.

For every other Grimy Goons class it's not a big deal. Paladin however, all of their Grimy Goons cards buff ALL of their minions, immediately revealing whether or not they have any spells (which basically tells your opponent whether or not you have Equality/Consecrate since Paladin doesn't have many other spells that are consistently run).

>>161377028
Eat shit, palafags

The goons are by far the weakest but I'm happy cause goons are just shitty stats curvestone

>>161377512
They're literally the opposite, because you have to keep cards in hand?

>>161377372
both got used on the tirions, shame I didn't get a deadly shot instead, or ragnaros

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If we could all take a moment to press F to commemorate the death of the Paladin class.

I'm really going to miss playing control Paladin.

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>take current druid
>cut 2 cards
>insert Jade idol
>Only play Jade Idol the turn you drop Fandral

Fun!