/dsg/ - Dark Souls General

>>161061517
>can just as easily randomly quickstep out of the stun when they decide they've had enough
What is the 2-hit combo system?

>not to mention literally infinite stamina.
16 stamina rolls in game with 45+ stamina per sec with no cooldowns on fully expended stamina

>Old Monk
Auto-summon homing soul mass and a gigantic HP modifier?? What

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>Luci unironically only puts his trip on to make threads
>started doing this after being repeatedly BTFO in whatever arguments the thread has
Never change my man

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Remember /dsg/, if you're angry at someone for liking a game you dislike, just go kick a rock lizard to let off steam. They're made of rock, they don't mind.

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Dark Souls 1 pvp was literally perfect.

I'm wanting to try a fashion setup of Old Sage's Blindfold, Dragonscale Armor and Faraam Boots. What would be some decent looking gloves to go with this and get me to 23-24 poise iirc so I trade a little bit when using a MLGS?

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>be retarded
>can't find the merits in a game that's not from CURRENT YEAR or year before then
>call it stupid on the internet

>>161061824
The answer is always Gauntlets of Thorns so you can roll into ToD users.

>>161061791

Damn right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRoHE7MnEWM

>Be retarded
>Only defense you have for a game is "but it was made 8 years ago!"

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>Be retarded
>have to make up a random statement that wasn't used in order to defend your stance

>>161062025
/dsg/ in a nutshell

>be retarded
>Claim that implications you made are made up despite shitting up the previous thread with said implications

>be retarded
>be addicted to a dead mostly singleplayer series and post constantly in thread full of hostile cunts, incapable of moving on

Every Souls game is pretty shit in hindsight, but has something specific to it that makes it endearing to a person depending on their particular tastes and experiences

p.s. I eat poop

>>161061752
I just wish I had the same rose tinted glasses people have when they play DeS so I could enjoy it. That or time travel

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>Be retarded
>Become revisionist historian while also claiming everyone who disagrees with you is the same person

The only bosses I hate in DaS3 are Iuedex Gundyr(because I hate shitty tutorial bosses) and Ancient Wyvern(it wasn't a boss fight).

The rest are good.

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>tfw your favorite Souls Game is Slashy Souls but you can't defend it because we're currently only allowed to like DaS3

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>>161062189
>everyone who has ever enjoyed DeS was just wearing rose tinted glasses
Yeah, yeah I get it, when you wear rose tinted glasses all the red flags look the same.

Even if you time traveled your whiny ass wouldn't enjoy it because "It's just not the SAME!"

>>161062201
You could at least make an effort At posting on topic related images and not assfaggots and overmeme

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>>161062252
>(it wasn't a boss fight)
Huh?

>>161062259

At least it's better than DaS2.

>>161062259
what is this meme

>>161062309
He dies in one hit dude.

>>161062252
>best tootsie roll boss
>shitty

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>>161062252
>The rest are good.

>>161062346
You can clearly see that he does not

>>161062359
The presentation, aesthetic, and soundtrack were top-notch. It's the first time From does a mob boss fight right?

>>161062309
Bosses are not to be judged by a player's self-imposed handicaps. There are developer messages on the floor telling you that the plunging attack is the INTENDED method.

Might as well say Yhorm is a good fight because you didn't use Storm Ruler.

>>161062309
you poor soul

>>161062376
Yeah and I bet you're one of those people who says Yhorm is an interesting boss if you just don't use the Storm Ruler.

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>>161062307
>he posts on topic

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>>161062359
The theme and lore forgives it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XREf55X9E

>>161062283
People like it because it was their first souls game and it was the first of its kind. The series has improved so much by then, with BB being at the top of its apex. For individuals who never played DeS and going back to it they're playing it objectively rather than letting their nostalgia think for them. It's rough game to play, not in a sense of difficulty but rather in a sense of how mechanically outdated it is.

>>161062476
>the top of its apex

>>161062428
>It's the first time From does a mob boss fight right?
No, the only good mob bosses in the series are Ruin Sentinels and Abyss Watchers, if you define "mob boss" as "multiples of the same guy". Deacons is as shit as Royal Rat Vanguard.

>presentation and aesthetic
>LITERALLY A SQUARE BOX FULL OF BASIC ENEMIES YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN ONESHOTTING

Music's good I guess, but doesn't fit the fight in tone; the music is far too intimidating for a lame mook horde boss.

>>161062461
Yhorm has really good presentation and aesthetics.

DSG in a nutshell

My game > your game

>>161062428
>>161062534
>presentation and aesthetic

Is this the birth of an epic new meme?

Ancient Wyvern has really good presentation and aesthetic because it flies into the arena all imposing-like and it looks pretty cool.

Champion's Gravetender has really good presentation and aesthetic because it has a cutscene before the fight and the Dark Mask is spooky.

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Would you summon me ?

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>>161062476
>they're playing it objectively
More like they're either:

A) Expecting it to be the best thing since pussy since it comes from the same line of games the other ones do

B) Expecting it to be old and shitty and archaic, then finding that an older game in a series/anthology has some weaker areas, then shitting on it with confirmation bias

C) Reacting obscenely when an older game is older after having played games that are newer with different design philosophies

>>161062514
How can anyone deny bb isn't the best souls game at this point? It's only flaw is no mappable jump to l3

>>161062697
Or, alternatively, they realize that the game was mechanically a clunky prototype/proof-of-concept and that it shows.

Why do a lot of people glorify DaS PvP so much? I only started PvP in DaS2. Played PvP from the following titles a lot--especially Bloodborne---and it seems like DaS PvP ain't anything special. Is it because of nostalgia?

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>>161062646
>liking the presentation or design of a boss despite its disappointing actual fight is a meme

>>161062697
So you think games can't be bad if they're old? Is dark souls 2 suddenly good now that it's 2 years old?

>>161062715
>It's only flaw is no mappable jump to l3
And blood vials.
And being a stingy asshole about upgrade materials. Blood rocks in particular.
And shitty PvP, which is too broad of a topic to elaborate upon in a single post.
And 40% instability damage.
And Frenzy.
And the sheer shortness of the base game.
And the shitty half-assed filler that is Chalice Dungeons.

DeS is the only game where bows are viable
Rats ring, morion blade and lava bow have yet to be topped

>>161062259
>we're currently only allowed to like ds3
Wrong, you're only allowed to like ds1 at any time. Preferring any other game will result in immediate public ridicule and you will be prompted to fuck of to reddit

>>161062767
It is when the boss is literally a box full of basic mook enemies. There's no redeeming values here besides the music.
There isn't even any lore justification for why they literally sprout out of the floor, it's just a shitty whack-a-mole fight.

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>>161062772
2 years old isn't old. Dark Souls 2 is a shitty game period, and I will never stop saying that. Even when the age of "Dark Souls 2 was X years ago....whoa" hits for it, I will never call it a good game

>>161062742
How is it a prototype or a proof of concept? It plays similarly but not entirely to one game in the series, while being radically different from that game. All Souls games do.

>>161062715
It isn't though. The lovecraft aesthetic and trick weapons are the only things that make it seem "better".

It has a ton of flaws:
>chalice dungeons
>bad enemy variety compared to DaS3
>bad area variety
>chalice dungeons and farming
>werewolf bosses and enemies get old really fast

I could keep going.

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>if From wasn't so cucked by Sony we could have a Demon Souls for the PC, running at 60fps with updated textures and maybe some bug fixes
>they could also include that entire area and enemies that were cut from the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hlEShsDl3U

Reminder that if you like a boss that you've never died to outside of challenge runs then you've objectively got shit taste.

>>161062890
The Archdeacon was the actual boss you stupid fuck.

I bet you shit on Deacons but think Rom was a great boss fight.

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>>161062890
I like the design, a e s t h e t i c, lore, and presentation of Yhorm. Am I a meme because I enjoyed those aspects of him?

I don't much care for Twin Princes, are people who like their design/mechanics/aesthetic/presentation/theme memes? Yes, because they disagree with me.

>>161062825
Blood vials are plentiful.
Blood rocks are farmable from chalice dungeons, and purchase able with insight
>Souls PvP
There are plenty of solutions for frenzy, sedatives, armor, visceral giving you damage immunity
If base game you mean only the mandatory bosses, then if so it's no more shorter than any other game. If you include optional content then you must include chalice dungeons as they're in the base game
Your opinion

>>161062715
You misunderstand me, I was insulting your spurious choice of words, not the quality of your statement because I'm a pcuck who hasn't actually played Bloodborne

>>161062948
I never died to OoK except for my bl4 run. Guess he's a bad boss ;(

>>161062825
And not restocking items upon invasion or death
And having to go back to the hunter's dream to pull out items
And not being able to reset the game level at a lamp
And bloodtinge builds basically having one hand unusable at all times
And Lost / Uncanny versions being the same exact thing with different gem slots
And Waning gems always being useless except for one build and only when that build has endgame gems
And insight being criminally underused
And claiming to be an aggressive type of game when in reality it SEVERELY punishes you for aggression if you aren't playing flawlessly
And requiring 16 fucking shards / twin shards / chunks to upgrade forcing you to use one, maybe two weapons, what the fuck were they thinking

>>161062715
Because it's NOT A SOULS GAME, and I wish you fucks would stop forcing 'soulsborne'.

It's its own game. It's a good game, but it's not a souls game and shouldn't be compared to them.

Dark Souls 3 is proof of what happens when you force the two series together. You get something 50% of people didn't want. From is still struggling to balance the game around the shit BB-like speed that doesn't belong in a souls game. They should just let the B-Team take over at this point.

>>161063050
I don't believe you.

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Can we discuss this game here?

>>161062948
I've never, ever lost or pussied out of a match to the Champ and I think he's a great boss.

>>161063071
You're right it's not a souls game. It's a good game

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>>161063091
What about hapless streamers who have beaten Orphan of Kos on their first try? Like when PewDiePie did it?

>>161063071
>I wish you fucks would stop forcing 'soulsborne'.
It's literally just Lucifer that does this but he keeps making the generals and janitors get pissy if we make a better one to use instead. Just filter him so that on the rare occasion he remembers to use his trip you don't have to put up with him directly.

>>161062898
>How is it a prototype or a proof of concept?
It's the first game in their currently popular third person Soulsborne genre, inspired by the first person King's Field series. As such, many design choices were largely experimental and without any real basis, such as the strange allocation of magic stats (you need to get sorcery attunement slots if you want MP on your miracle build), and most of the game's playstyle options are wildly unbalanced towards each other (magic trivializes PvE, certain weapon classes dominate PvP to the total exclusion of others), and some features resonated very poorly with the playerbase and as such never returned in any sequels (the vague World Tendency mechanic; Item Burden).

It became a cult hit for its unique and challenging-yet-rewarding gameplay, but it wasn't until DaS1 that the basic formula became polished and refined, and with that the series became popular in the mainstream. Of course, DaS1 has severe issues of its own...

>>161063091
Anyone who died to OoK was either ng+, or never touched their vit. My first kill was a 40/20/25/50/-/- saw cleaver character

>>161062890
But the infinite respawning is what makes it so fun. You can go kuhrayzee on their fat asses. One of the few bosses that actually become funner if you summon a lot, especially if you're not actively trying to hit the boss and just cleave through mooks

>>161062996
>Blood vials are plentiful.
Doesn't matter. It's objectively a step backwards from a renewable source of healing capped at a set amount, to go back to old jrpg "farm healing potions" mechanics. Even if they're plentiful and never an issue, it's objectively a step backwards.

>>161063167
Spear*
I also used 2x clawsmark runes

>>160985367
>>160985367
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>>161063217
You're not supposed to get hit, and you have a rally mechanic. You never need to farm. Farming for vials is no different than farming for souls

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>>161063153
Is Dark Souls 1 a proof of concept then? Is Dark Souls 2 a proof of concept then? Is Bloodborne a proof of concept then? All the fucking games save Bloodborne because there's no real defined weapon classes in that game do this kind of shit. The only real foundation for that argument is that Demon's Souls was the first one in their third person division for this kind of shit.

Shadow Tower and King's Field would be Souls games with a third person perspective.

>>161063212
You can do that in the graveyard outside the Cathedral if you're so easily amused. They didn't need to give us a non-boss with the same "duuude they just keep coming out of the ground" gimmick.
I had enough of the game throwing 20 weak boring non-challenging enemies at me at once and calling it an encounter in the shitshow that was DaS2. I didn't need DaS3 to repeat the same sins.

bbg: alt-right/Trump supporters
dsg: liberals/Hilary supporters

>>161063279
>You're not supposed to get hit, and you have a rally mechanic.
These two statements contradict each other. If the game didn't expect you to get hit more often than in mainline Souls, the rally mechanic wouldn't exist.

>>161063297
IT'S NOT THE SAAAAAME

>>161063356
>bbg is a bunch of obnoxious fucks even if they're behind something that's probably better than the other side
>dsg is cancer
Sounds like it

>>161063153
>(magic trivializes PvE, certain weapon classes dominate PvP to the total exclusion of others)

Which game are you talking about again? Is it all of them?

>>161063281
No? Are you being intentionally retarded? The other Souls games and Bloodborne follow the same basic concept as DeS, they're not an attempt at something new and different.
>The only real foundation for that argument is that Demon's Souls was the first one in their third person division for this kind of shit.
Yes, genius, that's exactly what the post you're quoting was saying. You figured it out. Congratulations.

>Shadow Tower and King's Field would be Souls games with a third person perspective.
Correct. However, changing from a first person to third person perspective is a significant enough paradigm shift to be considered a wholly different gameplay genre.

>>161063419
No, because magic is dogshit in post-nerf DaS2 and DaS3.
inb4 webm of some waifu using whopping 12 spellcasts to kill a single iron giant in Brume Tower.

>>161063365
So you be okay with 5 free blood vials Everytime you hit a lamp?

>>161063528
Sure. Why not let me upgrade the amount of vials stored and health restoration amount over the course of the game while we're at it?

>>161063497
You can dark orb everything to death without any sort of effort in DaS2

Great Heavy Soul Arrow trivializes everything in the same way

>>161062929
if not sony there wouldn't be demon's souls

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>>161063431
Dark Souls 1
>removed poise and cartwheels in future installments
Dark Souls 2
>removed basically everything in future installments
Bloodborne
>removed chalice dungeon grinding in future installment

Not to mention
>(magic trivializes PvE, certain weapon classes dominate PvP to the total exclusion of others)
Which is basically true of all the fucking games except BB, but not by intentional muddling

>
Then why argue that it's a rough prototype/proof of concept when DeS and DaS control similarly and DeS to begin with is just a bunch of recycled shit from ST/KF? The only difference between ST/KF and Demon's is the camera perspective, and the biggest difference between Demon's and Dark Souls 1 is the setting.

>>161063586
So you'd rather play Dark Souls then. Do you think DeS is bad as well?

Honestly, bloodborne is really flawed with alot of stuff, but its still my favourite. I do wish all of this

>>161063056
>>161062825

But some of those like frenzy is cool


Instability damage is wtf though

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>>161063497
Even if you define magic as purely INT builds, you're still wrong because of being able to trivialize the part where they come at you before you can lay on the hurt

Individual damage of spells while also factoring in resistances while being able to sling them from a safe distance completely and utterly removes difficulty from the game

>>161063636
There is no chalice grinding, chalice content are 100% optional. You don't NEED the 32.6 thrust gems or whatever the fuck you're farming. Chalice dungeons are perfectly fine how they are and enhance the replayability for the game.

>>161063670
I never understood the hate for instability damage. It punished bad play, and enforces the behavior of rolling properly

>>161063643
Why does everyone in these threads have this "all or nothing" attitude regarding opinions on games? I think blood vials are a shitty idea, but that doesn't instantly mean I dislike BB as a whole.

Likewise, I think grass was a shitty idea, and apparently so did From because they didn't reuse it for Dark Souls 1. That doesn't mean I dislike DeS as a whole either.

People are allowed to like features A and B from a game while disliking features X and Y from that same game. My hypothetical ideal Souls game would likely involve characteristic features from all five games in the series, mixed together.

How do I get over my fear of playing arena?

>>161063706
>Chalice dungeons are perfectly fine how they are and enhance the replayability for the game.
They're lazy filler, procedural generation is the nadir of game design outside of survival genres like Minecraft or Terraria. It has no place in Souls.

>>161063805
most people in the arena are bad. You can do the most unoptimized, shitty gimmick build, and you'll still be able to reach gold.

>>161063857
FRC chalices are fun by the sheer insanity of what they can throw at you. It's the static story chalices that are boring as fuck.

>>161063784
Rally exists. Instability damage encourages playing like a facetanking vampire when facing meaty attacks like Ebrietas' charge.

>>161063898
>>161063857

Not to mention how speedrunning earlier chalices is a bad idea given how you'll be able to miss a lot of the requried mats for the next chalice.

>>161063898
They're not fun because the bosses are reskins and the area aesthetics are samey as fuck. Feels more like playing a bootleg Diablo clone than a Souls game.

>>161063876
That might've been true when the DLC but it's not now

9/10 matches are with gold rank passive reactive greatsword / spear / MAGE CUNTS

>>161063857
Fuck you i actually love the dungeons, but i hate stuff about them too.

Ritual materials a dumb idea. Chalices shouldve just unlocked after each one you beat

If they were to do materials, it shouldve been like a witch cauldron you pick any number and variation of materials and you get all sorts of possible seed combos, like a loran style dungeon with nothing but mensis shadows in it

>>161063960
>bitching about mages in PvP outside of brawls/team battles
Ahahahahaha nigga how is magic even real ahahahahaha just roll nigga ahahhahahaha just don't get hit by the projectiles

>>161063960
Not sure how it is on PC but I'm on PS4 and people are still pretty bad. Bad enough to not know how to fight against Brigand Daggers lmao.

>>161064015
You've never encountered an ass fisher, fuck outta here

>>161064041
There is literally no way for a mage to frametrap you in DaS3. There's no excuse if you're dying to them before they run out of FP and resort to whipping out an actual weapon.

>>161064031
There's a certain perk to using "bad" weapons in that people will lack the muscle memory required for dealing with them. Likewise, people will be most used to evading and playing around the popular meta weapons. Funny how that balances out, slightly...

>>161064062
Tell me what you do about ass fishers in this game with no 100% magic block shields where even throwing knives can be instantly punished.

If you don't know what an ass fisher is, fuck outta here

>>161064147
>even throwing knives can be instantly punished
You can barely punish anything in this game, definitely not something as fast as throwing knives unless they're used by a literal retard.

>>161064147
Nigga why you blocking ahhahahahahaha just roll nigga ahahahahaha just wait til they outta FP ahahahahaha

>>161064269
>Time up
>DRAW

>actually want to play DaS 3
>servers are down
>can't find my savegames for some reason

Thanks From!

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>>161063103
Yeah, but a whole lot of people probably don't have experience with it.

>>161061609
I really like Dark Souls 3 so far, but why is weapon variety so terrible in this game? I thought Dark Souls 2 was a step back from Dark Souls already, but 3 really takes the cake. Most weapons are just the exact same.

>>161062309
you know, he's a lot easier to fight if you stay in front of him and hit his head, you get good openings and it seems you do more damage this way too

>>161066056
Because 2 and 3 are shameless cash grabs

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>>161066231
I don't feel that way at all. It's just specifically weapon variety and movesets that they've neglected

What's the caestus combo?
R1+L1 rinse and repeat right?

>>161066236
Up the bitrate and it doesn't have to be 1080p

>>161066236
lower resolution, 1280x720 is perfectly fine
better bitrate

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Tell me a secret /dsg/

>>161066726
man, I miss the Golem Axe, fucking loved that bad boy

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>>161066670

I had a good secret in mind yesterday but I think I forgot what it was.

>>161067095
I showed this to my mom, She says its "nice". Lol

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sleepy thread

>>161066880
golem axe with ds3 axe moveset would be a cool as fuck weapon

DaS2 pvp is the best

>>161067473
ded thread
dedder game

about to start my 2nd playthrough of 3. I lost all my saves so I can't NG+. Full tank-tier greatshield + greatsword or full wizard from the forest of faggotry? What's more fun?

Every time you summon me, I will play through the level with you until someone invades, then I will black crystal out so you have to actually fight them 1v1

>When the Ashes are two, a flame alighteth. Thou'rt Ash, and fire befits thee, of course

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>>161067916
>finished her second phase for the first time on ng+7 with SL100
>2 estus flasks left
>this happens

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>tfw slept only three hours
>tfw too tired to sleep
>tfw /dsg/ is dead

>>161068202
>tfw no PC fight clubs ever

Does Dark souls 3 still have man-shoulders on the female player model?

>>161068303
>man-shoulders
That's DS2.

>>161067880
You sound autistic. Also why would I want to 1v1 invasions? Might as well go to the arena.

>>161068259
I went back to DaS 1.

Does anyone have that full list of what's wrong with DaSII invasions? Soul Memory, farming for consumables, no Red Eye Orb, can't move through enemies, and the like.

>>161068771
Because that's the way invasions should be. What're you afraid of? Having to fight someone without a troupe of butt buddies to hold your delicate little hands?

>>161069860
>soul memory creating an entire fuckload of balance problems, past 3-4m SM you start exclusively invading havelmonsters with 50+ in each stat

>finite orbs you need to farm or increase your sm, insane amount of forced farming in general if you want to stay in specific SM ranges

>agape ring being a late and half-assed solution that failed to solve virtually any actual soul memory problems

>cannot use any switches, open 90% of doors or operate 90% of elevators

>cannot phase through any enemies effectively locking you out of parts of the levels

>cannot heal with consumables while host has 10 types of them 9 of which go to 99 stack

>seeds, which also mean you can't even heal with miracles in peace by running to enemies

>host and his butt buddies are able to turtle in warmth which is even harder to punish than estus in ds3

>hosts can chug on a ladder which is extremely hard to punish in certain locations

>even if host dies he won't lose his souls because 90% of playerbase is rocking ring of sacrifice you can repair

>insanely short invasion time limit

>abundance of shit invasion spots, some of them can potentially lock you out of reaching the host permanently

>host can clear the area from enemies permanently so you end up losing the only invader advantage completely

>a priority system which makes hollow hosts least preferable targets and coop partners the most to a point it's almost impossible to invade hollow hosts

>you can be damaged during backstab animation

>npc phantoms with 5k hp and infinite spells everywhere in sotfs

>almost no chance of ever being summoned as a bluefag because host needs to dedicate a ring slot for something that won't occur in vast majority of situations as getting randomly invaded in ds2 is almost impossible

>insane amount of duelfag pandering at expense of everyone else, with arena being the worst offender

>abundance of baby-mode items like jester top pummeling already low skill ceiling even lower

>>161069975
>Because that's the way invasions should be
No, invasions are utter fucking garbage if there's only a host. It's a butchered duel basically, if you want that you might as well stay on the arena.

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>>161061791

This is true.

>>161070118

Generally my ideal invasion is me and mobs vs. host and his 1-2 phantoms. That said I've had people even at SL30 that flat-out refused to leave the crux woods bonfire for literally nearly 10 minutes before finally popping a seed (likely dropped by one of his downscaled phantoms) at which point I crystaled out.

It sucks because I don't want to put the stat points into faith for raw ASS but often feel like I need that shit to deal with all of the people who are assholes. I'd rather play fun weapons at this level and crystal out against those people instead, though, raw ASS makes it too easy.

>>161070313
at lower levels you can just poison asshats and wait till they melt

>>161068202
>tfw /dsg/ is dead
It's some holiday for Amerifats today. They get to eat, and grow even bigger! Wow! It'll be back to normal by Sunday me thinks.

>>161069975
Invader here. You just made the invasion fucking boring for me m8. I vastly prefer a cluster fuck of me running around and fighting phantoms alongside whatever enemies are left alive to a shitty duel.

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>>161070064

Thanks lad.

Here, have a WebM.

>>161070446

Only at super low levels, I don't think that really works that well at SL30. Maybe SL15-20. Worse with scaled down phantoms who will obviously have moss on them.

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>>161070856
bully bow best bow

provide thee succ

>>161070987

That said I'll keep that in mind next time and keep a ghru spear with poison resin on me in case people are not going to leave the bonfire with their 2 phantoms. Just run in their, poke a few times, and leave, over and over until they get poisoned.

Obscuring is a hell of a ring...

What's the best poison weapon for undead settlement invasions?

>>161071602

Any ghru weapon (anything that has poison damage and can also use poison resin on top of that, similar to bleed weapons like warden twinblades with rouge)

What I want to know is at SL30 is it worth getting 12 INT so I can use storyteller's staff?

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Post favourite music from the DaS1 soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tuWvGee4T0

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>>161071906

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh53Jn7L4iE
Favorite from the entire series.
It's like taking a picture file of giant boobies and converting it into sound.

>>161072030
Yeah I love that one too. It's either Gwynevere, Sif, or Gwyn's themes that I like the most. Can't really decide.

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>>161071602

Rotten Ghru Spear + Rotten Pine Resin, easily. 90%+ of the players in the Undead Settlement will be using a straight sword, katana or axe that you will easily outrange. Just poke them 3 times while they can't hit you and they're poisoned.

>>161071758

I'm not sure. The Storyteller's poison scales with the target's maximum HP, So at lower levels it won't be that effective. Nonetheless, its minimum damage still seems better than toxic, but the tradeoff being that it's much more difficult to hit someone with it than with a spear.

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>there are people that pronounce Ornstein as Ornsteen

>>161072265
>There are people that pronounce the S as a mere S, not the german Sch sound it's supposed to have

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>>161063704
t. person that never played a caster.

>>161072265
Sway-han-der

>>161072103
what SL?

>>161072423
Caster is easy mode for PvE for sure.
Your only trouble is if you limit yourself to one school and with a select few bosses(and not because they have anti caster movesets, but necause big elemental resists), otherwise, there are always way to kill bosses with far less effort than melee

>>161072265
It's objective fact that it's pronounced "Ornstein" with an "ai" sound, and "Zweihänder" with a "tsvai" at the start and an "ä" at the end.
If you say it any other way you have 1. No knowledge of language, and 2. You're a jew (t. Goldsteeeeen).

>>161072557

PvE is easier with a sword and board than caster.

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Made a new webm. Give me a souls-related title, /dsg/.

>>161072734
It's not. The board can just be slapped on the caster as well.

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>>161072535

SL25, but that's not optimal.

Pic related is.

>>161072809
>DS Axe and Great Club with twink rings

m8 I just want to make a new character quick, run in, poison people, and run away, stalking them with obscuring ring in case the poison wears off or they cure it.

>>161072734
>>161072805

>its easier because I say it is

These games are easy whatever you play.

>my style of playing is harder than yours

kys

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>>161072908

Ok, good luck?

Prepare for a lot of sitting around then though.

>>161072908
>complains about weapons being hard to get
>ignores Hornet Ring and fucking Favor+2
m8 do you actually make twinks legit or do you just get someone to drop you the shit from another character? Protip that's how you do it.

>>161072659

>"ä" at the end
>händä
Wat

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>>161073071
Plebeian! Feeble Cursed One!

ey bois gimme a good SL120 build for a sorcerer with the anime scythes as weapon of choice

>>161073413
40dex 60int
wow so hard
lol

>>161073040
>Drop you the shit from another character
>that's how you do it

h͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏e͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏h
͏ ͏ ͏
͏ ͏ ͏
͏ ͏ ͏

y͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏e͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏a͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏h . . . .

>>161073757
sry m8 not all of us a bit enough faglords to ce everything
enjoy you're ban dude :^)

>consumables now replenish automatically after each duel

god bless

>>161073982
I always forgot that shit, good they did that

>>161061791
Cancerous PvP aside, is that some kind of an Astora run? I see Oscar and Anastasia. Who's the third summon? Solaire? Andre? Ricard?

>>161061791

I still don't get how you can backstab someone that has a shield on their back, especially a fucking havel's GSh.

>>161074634
Because that would make sense. Also, doesn't having a shield on your back reduce the damage of attacks aimed there? Was this a mechanic in one of the games or is it a debunked myth?

>>161074785
No reading here, I'm afraid. That literal retard pressed L2 AFTER you casted sacred flame.

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I want to like the pickaxe, but the fact that it can be parried pisses me off.

Any other Great hammer with a sweet ChargedR2/R1 tactic? or an UGS with a combo like this?

I have to make a new webm too

>>161074854
That's a myth

>>161074854
No idea about DeS, but definitely not true for any Dark Souls. Chivalry had such a mechanic, you might've thought about that.

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>>161074923
>that assblasted phantom's R1 spam after losing

>>161070064
It's amazing how despite all of this, it was still less cancerous than Ds3 invasions. and a lot of those things are actually still in Ds3(chugging on ladders for instance, and instead of being damaged during the backstab, you can just be parried, thanks miyazaki).

Probably because of how wimpy the community seems in 3.

In Ds2 it was rare you ended up in the situations you describe(host has seeds + warmth + 99 of healing + them overall being a huge fag.

In Ds3 it's like host go out of their way to be complete zero dignity shitters 100% of the time.

Also one thing to note with Ds2 Estus was that it was easy as fuck to punish. Moreso if you used a poison weapon, because then you get to punish them if they tried to moss too. Fuck I miss styling on shitters with dual stingers.

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>>161074880

Kind of, I did a lot of walk up R1s so I conditioned him into it, I was sure he was planning to do that parry.

>>161074880
To be fair if you get really into to flow of the fight you can find yourself pushing buttons without even thinking, if he thought he'd made a solid read for the parry then he could have done it unconsciously and only reacted after it was already started.

>>161075147

This just doesn't feel right without a humanity counter

>>161075145
>it was still less cancerous than Ds3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3eXDMXVF4s
sure

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>stop by /dsg/ after finally dropping off for good with AoA
>Lucifag thread
>DaS2 is still worse than Hitler because fuck you
>retards bickering with each other over nothing
It's good to be back.

>>161075497
>invading at soul memory 1 billion

deserved it

So what will the next DaS III DLC entail?

Another Painted World?

A new region to explore?

A revisit to New Londo?

>>161075145
>In Ds3 it's like host go out of their way to be complete zero dignity shitters 100% of the time.
It's because of the host+summons priority. That one is by far THE worst thing to ever happen to souls invasions. Soul memore does not even compare to that.

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>>161075613
It will most likely be a Realm of God mentioned in the unused key description.

>>161075681
No matter how hard you DS2 fuckers will try to deny it, soul memory is still the single worst design decision in the entire souls history. Even sinister bell system which outright disabled 1vs1 invasions doesn't compare. If you have problems against a pve baby and some random baddie while having an area full of enemies you're fucking shit at the game. Meanwhile, for an entire year i couldn't even make a themed invasion build in DS2 because my character flew out of the SM range common for the area, and when they added agape nobody was even playing in DS2 anymore because BB went out.

>>161075571
>invading in 3 past SL 70

You deserve it too

>>161075613
Londor.
Dark, Gothic architecture with Hollow enemies and a spin on some DaS lore/ characters that isn't intriguing enough to be worthy of the final piece of real Souls content.
So just more of Dark Souls 3, really.

>>161075695
>or perhaps...

>>161075613
Ariandel explained a lot of things about Londor, Pontiff and cemented the End of Fire as the best ending. Only Angels and Profaned Flame are still untouched so DLC 2 will most likely cover them.

>>161075034
stuff like that is why i still play this game

>>161075762
Against a host and some 3 random baddies, all of whom can heal and who will get replaced if i kill them. It's pure cancer.
>for an entire year i couldn't even make a themed invasion build in DS2 because my character flew out of the SM range common for the area
You could make it for NG+. SM ranges get pretty big there.
>nobody was even playing in DS2 anymore because BB went out.
People are still playing.

>>161075840
Niggers. That was such a copout, instead of writing decent stories.

>>161076179
>a host and some 3 random baddies
Which is still way less cancerous than the same situation in DS2.
>You could make it for NG+
NG+ activity is a small fraction of NG activity and instead of normal players i would exclusively encounter smelter monsters with a phantom and npc phantom who has 10k hp.
>People are still playing.
A few stuck up assholes doesn't count.

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>>161072030

Am I the only one who has cried to this piece of music?

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>>161076420
>that face

>>161075762
>when they added agape nobody was even playing in DS2 anymore because BB went out.

typical retard consolefag

Ds2 population was fine on PC up until Ds3.

Literally nobody gave a fuck about BB because none of us were about to buy a console with only like 2 games just to play it.

>>161076316
You've obviously never invaded random areas on NG+.

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>>161076521
>PC
I'm sorry, i don't want to play with cheaters.
From what i've heard, DS2 had the most rampart and harmful cheating in series so excuse me for avoiding this garbage.

>low SL invadan
>killan hostan
>plus 475,000 souls
so.... this is the power of Collector's Edition....!

>>161076521
>Ds2 population was fine on PC up until Ds3.
Because you only had one better game to play. Even then, 2's population eventually fell behind 1 and remains to this day smaller than it because it's simply an inferior game

>>161076525
Oh no, i gave the game enough chances.
Here's how a typical ng+ invasion looked like in DS2: >>161075497

>>161072802
>Horace, I...

>>161072802
>When you realize the red is actually a soapstone summon joining the gankers

>>161072030

Nameless Song. Hearing it play after beating Gwyn was orgasmic.

>launch game
>get invasion immediately whenever I use red eye
feels good not having a dead game

>doing SL30 crux wood invasions
>fight this guy for nearly 10 minutes, kill his phantom, he runs back to summon another one, kill that one too
>after forcing me to chase him around constantly after he whips out the estoc + offhand caestus, keeps running away and rolling my attacks
>eventually when he gets another phantoms I lead him back into the crabs, kill his phantom again with crabbro help
>I'm guessing 'cause he ran out of estus finally, he runs to the crystal sage boss fight (and probably homeward bones after entering it)

I mean, I want to use fun weapons like the drang hammers but when people are faggots like this, it makes it really hard to not just bring a raw astora SS and shit all over them.

>>161077212
drang hammers are shit on low levels
try 60-80

>>161076693
math was already done on this, but that's simply not true. Sotfs + ds2 always had a higher population except for in specific cases(events).

Ds1 also never had a higher peak then ds2, and remains even literally right now lower than ds2+sotfs.

steamcharts.com/search/?q=dark+souls

>>161077212
>SL60 pyro invasions
>people don't even try to just run up and hit me, sit back and just wait to dodge my spells the whole time
>either rollcatch them with serpent/GCFO or hardswap in a handaxe and just walk up R1 them to death because they're retarded
do they really think they're going to win by not doing anything
because I've invaded people who will legit try to shield turtle and backstab fish for 10 minutes straight until I finally wear out all their estus

>>161077443

It doesn't matter the level, they do plenty of damage at low levels they're just very hard to land on people since they have no poise HA and are still slow and short as shit despite the hammer buff. They're very easy to roll away from on reaction, they can't roll catch like a SS can.

>>161077472
Base and SotFS can't be counted together because the plauers from each game can't interact with each other

>>161077472
>Ds1 also never had a higher peak then ds2
that's because of aggressive marketing bamco pulled with ds2 and invited a shitload of casual randoms into the community

>>161077580
make up some more rules while you're at it

>>161077681
are you retarded

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>>161077661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE2XZK3xiac

How much poise should I stack to tank through straight swords and 2H R1s from Carthus curved sword?

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>>161077848
>implying Vaati was the only "pillar" to shill Dark Souls 2.
Pretty much all the "community pillars" were complicit in shilling Dark Souls 2 and the only ones who didn't immediately turn on the game afterwards were Vaati and Lobosjr.

>>161078130
I'm using an UGS btw Farron Memesword specifically

>invade host
>has a phantom already
>also gets a blue
>tries summoning another at the bonfire
>seeds
>and starts lagging on purpose
>BC out
honestly fuck off

>>161077752
Them not being to play with eachother doesn't somehow mean the games aren't any less Ds2. If people are playing it, where it's the normal or sotfs, they're playing it.

Do you think Fromsoft doesn't count sotfs as Ds2 sales you idiot? No. It's all under Ds2.

>>161078360
split playerbases means that there's never as many people that you can play with rather than having updates to the base game like 1/3 where everyone is still in one game

>>161078330
Just vacstab assholes like that, just skip their bullshit and get your tongue.

>invade at normal american afternoon time
>people actually playing through the level, have maybe 1 phantom max, no blues to be seen, will actually try to fight and take their death honestly
>invade during yurop hours
>scum with 2 phantoms, way of blue summoning, seeds/running away endlessly, disconnecting when they lose
really makes you think huh

So I've been at SL80 with my quality build forever. I really want to take him to SL120 but i like invading, will there still be plenty of people to invade at that level? Do people still do PVE or is it all honabaru duels in le arena?

>>161078738
80 and up is metafaggot territory, don't go there

Stay at 60 or below for fun pvp.

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>>161078181
>pillars

God-tier:
>Lobosjr
>Otzdarva
>Emarrel
>Youtube ENB

Heyguyswhatsgoingon-tier:
>jblackmel

High tier:
>Zulliethewitch
>Crestfallen
>Illusorywall
>SunLightBlade
>lb
>ThePruld
>Menaslg
>Scasblog
>Krekk0v
>PvPskillz
>VaatiVidya

Normie tier:
>PewDiePie
>DSP

Decent-tier:
>Twitch ENB
>Sanadks
>Peeve
>rbFrosty
>Oroboro
>d invader
>Enisle
>Ippiki9
>Iron Pineapple
>OnlyMeme
>Merisdks
>A German Fedora

Low tier:
>Scottjund(earlier he would've been in decent tier but now he's just a memer struggling to stay relevant)

Guttertrash-tier:
>Rest of the Soulbrandt faggots
>Yukaslegion

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Is it me or the ps3 versions of these games went up in demand like crazy?

I used to find plenty plenty of demons souls for peanuts and DS1 aswell but now not only you can't find a decent copy but each is like 30€ instead of 5-10 that it used to.

FUCKING CASUALS LEAVE MUH GAMES ALONE

>>161078738

Do not go above SL80 for invasions under any circumstance.

SL120 is duel territory.

>invade people with 2 phantoms+a darkmoon
>all 4 of them total are equal in skill to like 1 good player
>as soon as they get split up they fall apart
this is actually kinda cute, they think grouping up makes them better

Anyone else having issues (on PC at least) with the game crashing sometimes when trying to bonfire warp between areas?

Is this the power of From patches?

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>>161079087
>Invade gank squad
>They all act smug and make blatantly stupid mistakes because they know they can get away with it
>Kill one of the phantoms
>Sudden shift in tone
>They all act cautious and scared
>Makes it easier to kill more phantoms
>End up cornering the lone host and kicking his teeth in mercilessly

No better feeling

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>>161079232
>dried fingered 4 man gank squad gets their shit pushed in by me and another invader
>host tries to run away like a bitch and gets analhilated
no better feeling

>>161078607
Everyone I have been invading in Irythill for the past hour or two has been some filthy russian, spaniard or chink and I'm really getting tired of them.
But at the same time it feels so good when I tear them to pieces in front of each other and watch them scatter and try to run for help and heal.

>>161079232
>use fun weapon at low SL
>kill phantoms
>host runs away like a bitch trying to get back to the bonfire to summon more phantoms, rolling away constantly and won't attack
>whip out longsword and roll catch him to death

He brought this upon himself. If you're gonna live like a bitch, you're gonna die like a bitch. This is why I always make sure to bring a SS as my secondary weapon in case people feel like being cowardly douchebags.

Also best feel is when you start kicking a host's teeth in and when he's really low health he starts trying to run away to chug, and you catch him with a black firebomb.

>start game
>enter arena
>win all fights
>close the game
Why are duels so incredibly underwhelming? Where should I invade?

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>Darkmoon summoned through concord
>Lone host already fighting invader
>Don't know if host is a honorfag that will bc you out for trying to kill the invader, or if he really need help
Life is pain

>>161079465
i found longswords pretty mediocre for roll catching
now spears, that's another thing

>>161079371

Is the Untrue White Ring really worth it?

Even at low levels I actually really like the Untrue Dark Ring, even better than obscuring ring in all honesty. It allows you to blend in surprisingly well, when you're a red you tend to stick out like a sore thumb. I feel like the UD ring is actually surprisingly useful for sneaking up on people and even getting away.

>>161079540

Watch iSkys sometime and you'll see how SS rollcatching works. I just use the longsword because I'm SL30 and it doesn't require any stat investment.

If you git gud at it you can literally rollcatch people to death if they won't stop panic rolling.

>>161079529
If he was an honourfag he wouldn't equip the Way of Blue anyway, at least that's what i think and i've yet to be BC'd out because of it.

>>161079549
untrue dark + obscuring is a really good stealth mode
untrue white + hidden body + slumbering dragoncrest is a ghost mode
equip quills and 1hko the host

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Not really sure what I want to do with this guy. Any ideas? I'm about to go fight the dancer if that helps at all.

>hosts that try to seed
>I'm nowhere near anything
>they're in the middle of enemies and draw aggro anyway
fucking lmao

I like parts of Dark Souls 2. In fact, I like some parts of it better than equivalent parts in other Souls games.

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>>161079716
doing this all the time while hiding at the corvian settlement graveyard
fun as fuck to finish off tired hosts who don't have much flasks left

>>161079683
>rouge CCS milk fallen knight
you could try throwing it in the trash

>>161079738
I like Dark Souls 2 better than all other souls games

>>161079738
>I like thing
You are absolutely fucking wrong though i won't provide any explanation as to why.

I have trouble choosing a favorite Souls game. They all do some things better than others in the series.

>>161079738
I like some parts of Dark Souls 2 but I prefer Dark Souls 3 in most respects.

>>161079887
That's absolutely fucking ___ok

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How am I not losing

Though nostalgia may have clouded my perception of Dark Souls 1, i believe Dark Souls 2 and 3 are good games in their own regard.

>>161080026
the only people on right now are shitty europeons

>>161080082

i am one too.

>>161080120
well then you're the least shitty one I guess

>>161080026
>getting hit

Go back and do it again, this time don't be a fucking disappointment.

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>invade dude and intercept him before he can light the bonfire
>triple 7s
everything's coming up me

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If ye want my legendary sword... ye'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands!
Haha, just kidding!
How's my Benhart fashion?
>tfw when no cool Rohan-esque helmet
>tfw all faces look to similar to make a jubilant looking old man
>tfw MLGS can actually pass as a knock-off because its shittier than its past versions

>>161079673

I don't need to go quite that far, just like using 1 ring slot for it. I just find it's great for sneaking up on hosts/phantoms when they're fighting mobs, since they're generally looking out for a big red glowing object and don't expect something that blends in with the environment and at first looks like just another mob. I wear armor of thorns too which blends in quite well with environments like the crux woods.

I want the final boss for the final DLC for the final Dark souls game to have the biggest healthpool yet, and start off the fight with its final phase, balls to the wall hardcore.

And the more you whittle down its health, the more pathetic it becomes until it's basically crawling around and doing no damage on its final 10% and slowly bleeding to deaht to the point that the player can just back away until it bleeds to death while spilling lore dialog.

>>161080619
Looks pretty cool, though i don't remember him using a shield.

>>161080671

That said though? I'll try untrue dark ring + obscuring. I'm testing out the heavy infused murakumo with base stats at SL30, I'd like to do a lot of hit-and-run type of manuevers if I run into ganks. I feel like low levels are where the murakumo can really shine.

>>161080619
10/10

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>>161080754
The Elkhorn Shield is quite literally his signature shield, but it begs the question of why its in the game when nothing else of his is. He also two handed though, and probably hardly ever got summoned, so maybe you never saw him use it.

>>161080619
Well done anon, would summon/10

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>>161080941

Just eat the Lost Sinner as a pure strength build. Seems cheap as fuck. Block all attacks with a greatshield. Destroy everything the R2 form the Large Club.

Is there any other gear better than what I currently have? I just found the Dragon Tooth. Is that worth working towards?

>>161081101
Thanks anon

>>161081096
Im considering just sitting outside Yhorm's room and trying to get summoned
I wont use the stormruler, but I have to help people kill giants

>>161081101
>>161080941
>why it's in the game when nothing else of his is
Because the shield looks reasonably cool while not being super flamboyant.

>>161080619
Beard needs to be more gray,otherwise 9/10.

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>>161080619
>str for MLGS
do you really need those 12 ar

>>161081492
what else is he gonna toss the points into

>>161081532
even getting int to 60 is going to give more MLGS ar than 40 str
that's on top of getting 50 vigor as one of the main shticks of mlgs builds is that they can spare a FUCKLOAD of stat points to vig gouge like mad

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Come here if you want to see a good DaS PvP'r:

https://www.twitch.
tv/hijodaikan

>>161081532
More vigor is always good.

>>161081606
>fatties scratch each other's backs: the stream

>>161081612
V I G O R N I G G O R

>>161081725

He's not a havelmom.

>introducing path of the dragon covenant
>after 30 scales, you are allowed a divergence
>your torso stone is removed and replaced with one of the following
>pale dragon stone
Assume the form of Seath the Paledrake. Passive boost to sorcery, head stone breath turns into a laser that leaves crystals when it hits the ground, which deal half the damage of the laser, scales with int.
>ancient dragon stone
Assume the form of an everlasting dragon. Passive high physical defenses and some poise that scale with vit.
>black dragon stone
Assume the form of a calamitous dragon of old. Passive medium elemental defenses (including lightning). Breath attacks are yellow/black and deal less damage but more poise and stamina damage
>abyssal dragon stone
Assume the form of the pus that inhabits the soul of man. Passive moderate general defenses, high dark, low fire.

Thoughts?

>tfw no demons souls meat cleaver

>>161081606

Damn, never played DaS1 before but they weren't kidding about the backstab meta, eh?

>>161070170
What's wrong with punishing retards? It was that guy's own stupid mistakes that got him chain stabbed.

>>161081992

The SL200 jap forest is the best place to get your backrubs.

>>161081492
Im autistic enough to want to make my stats accurate while cosplaying too. Benhart was no bitch, he used strength. He wouldnt go to 60 int with a sword that didnt need it.
Actually, now that I've looked it up, the Blue Moon Greatsword had no scaling at all... Well now I dont really know what to do

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>Can't healbug invade in firelink
lame t b h

>>161079526
The corv settlement

>>161082218
Slap some more vigor in there my man, Benhart was one tough motherfucker.

>>161082325
>Cant reach 4k hp like Benhart can
How can I even compete?

>>161080743
That's a pretty cool idea. Email Miyazaki.

>>161082218
Bmgs had no scaling man, and the most important is how you look and fight. As long as you're tanky as shit and don't use spells, you're good. I'd recommend getting some vit for some better fashion if you need it (can't really tell from there), 2 end so that you stop triggering me and the rest in vig

>>161081793
I would love this but we will never get something fun

memehackzaki

I know this is Dark Souls general but I have a question relating to Demon's Souls.

I just beat The False Idol and am unsure of what to do next. Particularly I need a new weapon, I have been using the sword I got at the start of the game, i've just been upgrading it continuously. I tried going into 2-2 and 4-1 and I got my ass kicked. Where should I focus on and how would I go about getting abetter weapon?

>>161082547
This is Souls general. It's fine. Lucifer is just a retard that fucks up every OP he makes.

>>161082547
Are you a STR build or DEX build?

>>161082681
Primarily STR. I chose knight at the start of the game.

>>161081793
I still think there should be a Pontiff Beast transformation.

>New unarmed move set
>Scales with intelligence
>Attacks do frost damage
>High magic defense, low fire defense
>Lightning breath attack added when using whatever item causes transformation

>>161082751
Go to 2-1 and pick up the Crushing Battle Axe after you go up an elevator.
Then farm for upgrade stones in 2-2 from the worms.

Generally if you want to do worlds in Demon's Souls, it's generally recommended to do the first level of each world before going to the second levels of a world.

So you could do 1-2, or 5-1 after buying some poison cures from Tower of Latria.

>4-1 and I got my ass kicked
Use blunt weapons on the skeletons.

>>161081878
It looks like shit.

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>that kind of hosts who get visibly mad when you heal as an invader despite the fact you have 30% less hp
>they are always getting wrecked then try to send you a bunch of steam community invades only cementing their buttmad status

>>161082836
Would anyone really argue if they copy pasted the transformations from BB into DaS3? Take the beast form and turn it into an Outrider Beast form? Take ayy lmao and turn it into a slower Pus of Man transformation?

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I want to replay DS II, can I ask for some good sliders for female chatacters or tutorial video?

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>>161083306

I use this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy9TQPYZKXk

Test

>>161082947
I thought 1-2 only unlocked after you had beaten all the other ones?

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>>161083306
>>161083505

Not the type you were looking for?

>>161083680
You're thinking of 1-4.

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Anyone want to watch Letofski with me?

>>161083713
Whatever is okay, as long as it don't look like that dopey template shitface

>>161083505
Ellen Page?