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*makes marines*
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>>156846772
nice link rofl
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>>156846856
like you could link any better idiot
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>>156847085
wtf how
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a god
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*drinks cough syrup*
*puts on sunn o))) at max volume*
*boots up scbw and plays zerg*
ahh... this is the life...
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>>156847353
welll....
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>>156847389
well what, bitch
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>>156847480
poison the well lol
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>>156847601
yes, master
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>>156847652
shut up you stupid fucking nigger jesus CHRIST
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>>156847727
859 LUL
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it says there's 5 ips, but it feels like 1
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>>156847727
same x_x

will prob clear mythic en then get a legendary when it's useless
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>>156847903
shut up bitch
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we have 3 legendaries already lol
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>>156848042
you cant tell me what to do
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>>156847945
youll be able to upgrade them through the expansion
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>>156848194
then ill never get one
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*smokes oregano*
woah,.... i think im feeling it....
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>>156848240
wow its so bad
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*vapes super cloud*
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>>156848240
i've seen better
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reminder vapers and smokers are disgusting
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>>156848450
wow what an uninformed idiot you are. vaping is good for you
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NO DRUGS
NO ALCOHOL
NO CIGARETTES
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that first vape-rip of the day...
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*scratches leg*
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no masturbation
no sex
no piracy
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sXe
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south chris east
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ghsO5Avcs&bpctr=1475912847
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>>156849102
google made me click an advisery thing but then didnt even load the vidoe did I just get hacked?
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>>156849147
yeah kinda. thanks for the ip idiot ROFL
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>>156849183
i guess you got this little nigger boy good huh...
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10 little nigger boys...
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a clown took my nigger boy...
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I haven't followed this game since it died who are the best players right now?
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>>156849348
neeb and avilo
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>>156849348
avilo
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>>156849348
avilo
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>>156849348
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>>156849348
demuslim
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trump... more like hitler 2.0
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good night
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>>156849470
Why are they all sponsored by Pepsi?
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>>156849764
Haha
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>>156849764
hotsix is a pepsi subsidiary
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>>156849764
coca cola used to sponser the GSL back when it was an ESF tourney so pepsi sponsored kespa players as a rivalry to coke
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>>156849764
hotbigtit is a pepsi subsidiary
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>>156849882
i thought pepsi did like the next season. cause i told my friend who worked for pepsi at the time about it
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>>156850782
>>156849882
gsl july 2011
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wesg time

im midly excited but not really because eu sucks right now
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>right now
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>>156850827
>right now
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>now
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*does drugs*
*drinks*
*smokes*
*plays sad songs on the guitar*
*makes a small amount of money*
*dresses like a vagrant*
*never shaves*

what, you got a problem?
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lol but seriously that was a nice joke by me, the other two were just quicker on the trigger
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>>156851024
you wish you were like that, wolf
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>>156851038
shut up idiot no one cares
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do you guys enjoy ramen noodles? I just ordered some for the first time a
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Bad post, idiot
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is that guy smoking weed with his sister and fooling around with her?
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na > eu
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^ good post
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anyone ever think about killing a man... how easy it would be to get away with it...
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imagine getting lovey dovey with sickzii on a lazy saturday morning...
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a life of crime..
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i gave birth to twin wire hangovers
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hey guys whihc race is the safest (as in safest sex, least likely to have unplanned pregnancies)?
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>>156852280
zerg
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>safe sex = sterile unnatural hedonist sex
liberals are epic
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>>156852430
none of what you just said makes any sense
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>sex doesn't make sense
you poor virgiin
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terran is the easiest race to learn and the hardest race to master
zerg is the hardest race to learn and the easiest race to master
protoss is middling

agree/disagree
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>>156853736
protoss is the easiest to learn, and also easiest to master (build adepts)
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>>156853736
how is terran the easiest to learn? protoss is just warpgate
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>>156854074
marine medivac
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>>156851905
:)
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>>156855670
is that a yes...
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>>156854816
Roach ravager
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Anyone else had this problem before with their phone? do you just tough it out until your next upgrade?
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imagine getting your kbp torn apart by an angry drunk sickzii on a saturday midnight...
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>>156856360
my knowledge based processor?
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>>156856745
no your...
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>>156856857
my kilo base pairs?
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>>156856957
no your...
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he means your korean boypussy
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okay well first of all i'm not gay
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is it possible to play this game without camera hotkeys
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second of all i'm gay
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>>156857916
of course but using them is going to be of benefit to you
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>>156856346
>iphone
lol based literal retard
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the one
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the guy
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>>156859286
(he wasnt actually the guy)
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>>156859331
i thought he was the guy, but just really bad
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>>156859632
the main character wasd the guy you f**king retard
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im gay
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>>156859708
i dont think so desu
the guy(that guy) had 99 lives
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i cant believe donald trump campaign end like this...he was the chosen one too
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rape
torture
humiliation
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kill me if i ever get emotionally invested in anything
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>>156860142
what about getting emotionally invested in anime
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>>156859903
i wanna smoke with dope rider
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>>156860310
kaneda...
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imagine sickzii getting emotionally invested in your kbp...
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imagine sickzii jumping through a fucking noose head first
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i dont wanna imagine that!!
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sickzii cheesing ur fast 3 hatch...
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>the simplest explanation is the right one
lol?
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i love you guys
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good bye
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>>156860142
what about getting emotionally invested in THIS
*grabs crotch*
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esports
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Reminder we are all watching WESG
https://www.twitch.
tv/starladder_sc2_en
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@156861732
-1
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while you guys watch boringcraft i'll be watching hearthstone
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*draws better cards*
*wins*

nothing personel kiddo :)
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hearthsone more like a heap of shit
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>>156862034
+1
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>>156862034
-2
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>>156862034
+3
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>>156846658
kys tranny enabler

see you guys next thread
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our guy

https://youtu.be/w0oI_8r5nXk?t=38s
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is there a biggest dudebro joke than
>im not gay but my boyfriend is
?
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>coming soon
i hate this meme
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anyone else have to work on a saturday...its 8 am now and about to leave..
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we dont work here
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+1
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im my own boss
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>>156862583
your mom is your boss
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>>156853053
u rly eat that much in the mornings?? how can u do that...
looks ok but that portion is way big!! i could never eat more than a half of one of those as breakfast
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>>156862746
nice
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>>156862607
we just work in the same building
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*boots up quake*
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>>156853053
also u didn't fry both sides so now when you bite into the yolk it'll drip out everywhere?? not smart!
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>>156862939
lol
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hot gay singles in your area
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>>156862832
is she doing incalls
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>>156863109
where...
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>>156863109
imagine the smell...
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>>156863109
*clicks*
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anyone wanna play LoL?
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>>156863202
i want you to KyS!!!!!
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>>156863171
right smack dab in your area...
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0 1 quake
2 3 sc2
4 5 read a bOok
6 7 shadowrun hk
8 9 chink lessons
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>chink lessons
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learning how to forget to shower won't happen on its own lol
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what's a good book?
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the vagina ass of lucifer niggerbastard is a great read
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>>156863645
the oddysey
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learning how to cook dog alive lol
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learning tantric sex so i can fuck my dog for 6 hours straight
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>>156863694
no
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the odyssey is the sequel you cant read that first...
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read my f*cking d*ck instead b*tch
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>>156863904
*reads it*
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*reads the last two harry potter books first*
this doesn't make any sense :S
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>>156863645
neuromancer
iliad / odyssey
intelligent investor
silence
the sound and the fury
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>>156863940
lol
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>reading fiction
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if you're not reading The Metaphysical Principles of the Infinitesimal Calculus you're wasting your fucking time
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uhh, connecticut yankee in king arthur's court???
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>>156864070
+1
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/lit/ talks about finnigans wake a lot
is it good?
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*buys modern fiction*
ez kid
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>>156864143
only the hardback version
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>reads manga
ranma is artistotle-tier tb h
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>tb h
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it's impossible to finnish read finnigans wake because it's a circle
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seulgi
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>tfw your stinker feeds
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tfw my stinker stinks

:/
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irene
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im a really slow reader
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i dont remember what i read and what i remember i dont understand
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im dumb
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>>156864820
word
ill read like 2 pages in a book then realize i havent been paying attention
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all ive learned is that i dont know a goddamn thing and never will
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we read gook books here
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omogook
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how did life get so bad?
i am :
retarded
ugly
fat
poor posture
possibly gay / jerk off to gay stuff
hate video games
cant read a book
stupid
no attention span, no concentration
cant talk to people
dandruff
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>>156864896
ill re-read a sentence i just read and realize i couldn't even remember from 5 seconds ago and i cant follow the train of thought so i just keep reading hoping somewhere in the conclusion i can glean something
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>>156865029
you have no one to blame but yourself
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test. posting from work
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>>156865029
the moment you turned your back on God that's when. all you described is a result of atheism and the cure is religion

this is not a joke, this is not hyperbole, this is the pure unadulterated truth you wont hear from your friends and normies where you go from here is up to you but consider the causes diagnosed
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>>156865029
its ok i still love you
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i stopped drinking now my face is sexy
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>>156865164
*kicks you*
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i stopped drinking and now im more miserable than ever
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>>156865214
*kicks you in the butt*
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i want a warm peepee in my mouth
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that guy just got his ass kicked lol
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*takes a gulp of beer*

<>___<>
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*butts in*
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if the evolutionists are correct intelligence can spawn spontaneously so maybe thatll happen to me and ill be a genius
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seulgi
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*butts out*
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>>156865376
so can stupidity
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im really smart *hits bowl*
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i cant wait for the new imacs at the end of the month (probably)!!!!
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>>156865479
check...
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i cant believe it's already tomorrow

fuck
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tfw thursday is based
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>tfw your stinker has bigger arms than you
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>>156865941
O.o
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>>156865029
sickzii...
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>>156866486
sickzii is pretty, slim and a very sucesfull salarymen with many friends
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>>156866913
no i'm ugly as a sin and unsuccessful salarymen who doesn't know shit about his work and is scared to talk with people
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holy shit how did my stinker when that game they were down 20 kills and 2 inhibs??? she's the best girl gamer ive ever seen
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>>156866971
its all in your head man
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>>156867116
in the mirror too lol =/
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>>156867116
+1

>>156867136
-1
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i cant wait to take over my dads convenient store so i could put real internet here. working here wouldnt be that bad
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nobody ever talks about the ce lo green song "fuck you" any more
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>>156865029
mmh
unfortunate but the amount of effort ud need to put in to change all this is too much for my understanding

just take it easy
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shit im actually losing money all the time cuz the government stopped paying me

what do? im gonna be on the fkin street & totally lost soon
i think ill be fine on the streets though... can't be that bad can it? just kys myself if it's that bad right?
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kpop was devised to export nigger culture to asia since actual niggers aren't tolerated
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>>156867934
just live with your parents or some other family member.
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like honestly i think suicide statistics are totally wrong

there just has to be like 2 or 3 times more suicides than the statistics say but they aren't suicides if you od on something right? i can't believe ppl don't suicide more
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>>156867356
What a sad life. You don't have a career path
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its such a chilly fall morning!!!!!

this is what life is all about, im gonna go walk around!!
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>>156868172
The only sad thing is normies like you that think working like a slave and making """money""" is something to be admired
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>>156868242
how are you paying for the computer you're using now? how are you paying for your smartphone? how are you paying for your bills?

money
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>>156868146
a lot of single occupant car crashes are supposed to be suicides i heard
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im gonna make a really popular app and then retire when i become a billionaire after selling it off.
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>>156868242
Funny how it's always the depressed losers with nothing to live for that spout this shit
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>>156868282
and you drink water every day to survive yet I dont supposed you would advocate living your life digging wells or if you did, you would expect to be seen as just as ridiculous for suggesting that as you are for suggesting a life of """money""" making
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shut up!!!!!!!!
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>>156868448
Projecting much? I'm not the convenience store clerk and even he didn't seem very depressed to me, you backwards monkey
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wage slaving isnt so bad, as long as your fellow slaves arent completely terrible people and you make enough to pay bills and stuff

id rather 40 hrs/week not be the norm though, i feel like thats a little too much. 30-35 hrs normal week would be nice
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>>156868635
Isn't so bad he says. Right, it isn't so bad. Hardly something to be advocated for and hardly something to be admired when someone does it ""well""
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>>156868540
Yeah you sure seem like a happy individual with a fulfilling life lmao
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>>156868635
the best wage slave job is just anything non retail
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>>156868323
yeah i know someone who suicided like that
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*suicides*
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>>156868827
The fact you're still using emotional binaries like """happy""" or """sad""" just shows your mental immaturity and lack of intelligence. You sound like a child
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>>156868540
shut up
>>156868635
shut up
>>156868734
shut up
>>156868734
shut up
>>156868827
shut up
>>156868832
shut up
>>156868925
shut up
>>156868943
shut up
>>156868967
shut up
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>>156868983
+1
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>>156869012
-1
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>>156868983
-1
we like having philosophical debates here
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the best way to make someone uncomfortable is to reveal to them the truth
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thoughts on being gay?
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>>156869078
ok but meeting other gays is the problem

u can't be pure and gay cuz ull never find someone gay that way..
gotta go to gay clubs or grindr.. yuck
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im not gay but
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sickzii is a boy
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>>156868967
>The only """"""""""""sad""""""""""""""" thing is normies like you that think working like a slave and making """money""" is something to be admired
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>>156869185
*grinds you*
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anyone else staying home on a saturday night...
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>>156869262
playing kancolle as usual
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who the fuck would name himself beastyqt
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playing soul calibar 2 as usual
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>>156869262
yeah im gonna place some bets, read my book, play some quake >:D
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>>156869312
what the heck is soul calibar 2
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>>156869236
sad as in pitiable. as in it's pitiable an adult such as yourself still holds such infantile notions as slavery for no other reason than the acquisition of valueless """money""" is something to strive for
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>>156869349
Soulcalibur II is a 2002 video game developed by Project Soul and published by Namco and the third installment in the Soulcalibur series of weapon-based fighting games. It is the sequel to Soulcalibur, which was released in July 1998.
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>>156869409
i said soul calibar not soul calibur moron
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bitch !!!!!!!!
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>>156869442
so what
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>>156869503
so suck my fucking dick you fucking retard
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>>156869572
*sucks it but stops before you cum*
fuck you!!!!
>>
...
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>>156869643
*finishes with my hand*
*cums on your hair*
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gonna hit the food shop
wish me gook luck~!
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>>156869380
>valueless """money"""

value only exists subjectively lol a thing has value as soon as someone believes it to have value, which most of the developed world does when it comes to money thankfully

*tips fedora*
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witcher 3...
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witcher more like bitcher lol
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lilac and gooseberries...
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>>156869840
not funny
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i wanted to get a big breakfast from mcdonald's but i woke up too late -.-
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word we'd like to be rich here but do nothing to succeed that dream
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>>156869904
better have some oats and skimmed milk then
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skimmed almond milk*
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>>156869938
word

i wish a billion dollars would just fall in my lap
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>>156869782
>Value is subjective
>Developed world
>Tips fedora
I'm curious if there's a unique thought in there or just more regurgitated blog excerpts that you've collected from here and there across the web. A thin piece of paper cannot have any value and hording it and spending your life acquiring more and more of it, or what's more absurd, acquiring non-physical pseudo-imaginary 1's and 0's REPRESENTING valueless paper, is not to be admired or advocated for by people with the use of their brains
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>thanks for proving my point
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>>156870062
wow thats a dumb thing to say

are you gleepy by any chance
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i ublocked the trending topics section from twitter, its a lot better now....
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reminder that we like sister joi here not mom joi
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>>156870150
Confuting me would require you making a case for the collecting and hoarding of monopoly play pieces

We can infer from your omission that you're either too stupid to do so, since half of what you say you've gathered from blogs and reddit posts, or you're too smart to state a case, because even you know how retarded you would sound if you tried

You may consider yourself defeated
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do u think anyone can pull of this look in the real world?
like have a shirt on top of a long-sleever
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https://www.twitch
.tv/sickzee

!!!
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the god of debate wins again...
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>>156870062
>A thin piece of paper cannot have any value

then why do the people at the store give me a pizza for 7 of the george washingtons? :/
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>>156870527
a cute crOat.....
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>>156870738
wwydth...
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>>156870672
You're giving nothing in order to make yourself ill I'd say you got ripped off
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>>156870787
jerk off on his feet
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>>156870062
As I said the word "value" only exists subjectively lol. There is no such thing as implicit value or implicit lack of value, value is something assigned to currency, objects, beliefs, by humans. To suggest that someone has no value in any objective sense is to suggest no human, anywhere, believes money to have value which is objectively wrong in itself.

Money is the closest thing to objective value in existence in that the vast majority of the world considers it to have value and there are clear benefits to having an abundance of it and countless things that you literally cannot do if you have none of it.

You can conflate actual money with 'pieces of paper monopoly pieces' all you want but the objective reality is the clerk behind the counter in the store isn't going to exchange a loaf of bread for just any piece of paper.

Hope you're enjoying picking up """"""unique thoughts"""""" from nihilism 101 lol

>>156870382
*tips fedora*
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it was a full-wheat 'go'gan'zah...
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im gonna stick with my usual sleep schedule rofl
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>>156870835
idiot...!!
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>>156871028
how is ur usual schedule?
mine has turned upside down...
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>>156870945
i pray that day comes soon...
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i fixed mine from 7am to 4pm now it's 4am to 2pm

not bad if you ask me
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>>156870883
You're begging the question hardcore. What value does your iphone and widgets have? Exchanging nothing for nothing does not mean Nothing 01 has value because you can exchange it for Nothing 02. The only reason you /think/ your game pieces have "value" is because you /think/ your gameboy has value and it doesn't. It's a lump of plastic and all you can do with it is melt your brain. It's worse than nothing because nothing at least does no direct harm to you. There's nothing of value that a lack of money prevents you from doing and there is nothing of value that having money helps you accomplish

You are a materialist babby that doesn't understand the first thing about objective value which is the only way you can think that the point of life is to die with as many toys as possible
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>>156871118
0:00 to 7:00 every night
i wouldnt mind adding an hour but i've been doing this same thing for ever, my body dont seem to want to sleep more....
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>>156870864
omo
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>>156871305
>There's nothing of value that a lack of money prevents you from doing

how do you buy food without money
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>>156871436
I actually gasped. Do you really not know what farming is? A little something that's oh, I don't know, 9000 years old?
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gonna order some za with this worthless money
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*actually gasps*
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they're both retarded desu
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>>156871621
Your money is worthless and so is your za so eat up. Now realize how stupid you would have to be to encourage a life where the sum total of your life amounts to working like a slave to make worthless money to buy worthless pizza

Pretty stupid I'd say. Almost as stupid as the person who admires other for their ability to do that """"better"""" than others
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>>156871593
omomomomomoooo
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>>156871816
why are you so angry lol im not even the guy you were originally sperging out on
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>>156870527
So this was the sickizz you were talking about?
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>>156871972
>Everyone who posts more than 140 character posts is mad
>>
And for the record my post was a reply to you but it isn't /in/ reply to you I was using it to make a larger point

Get over yourself, dumbass
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>>156872369
who are you quoting mad boy
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>>156872545
this is a worksafe board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >////<
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>>156871816
money = worth in a society
why is this hard for you to understand?
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>>156872347
me on the right sickzii on the left
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one last time

where are the fuckmiis? i know they are here somewhere
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>>156872612
XD
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>>156872602
Only if you're a materialist infant who values poison pizza and iphone rubbish otherwise it correctly holds no value
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>>156872709
i dont know what that is
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say it with me, boys

"i am with her."

feels good, doesnt it?
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>>156871305
>What value does your iphone and widgets have? Exchanging nothing for nothing does not mean Nothing 01 has value because you can exchange it for Nothing 02.

>objective value

You seem to be ignoring the literal definition of the word value lmao.

There is no such thing as objective value in any sense. Without conscious beings to assign and recognise value value as a concept literally does not exist. It only exists because human beings subjectively assign it and recognise it. What is objective is the fact that people DO assign value, to currency, beliefs, objects. And that different amounts of currency, different objects, different beliefs hold more or less value in the minds of most human beings than others and that these things tend to correlate with each other (an object that is monetarily/resource expensive to produce will tend to hold more monetary value in company's and people's eyes ect.)

Believe it or not, there are objective observations to be made about subjective concepts. One of which is the fact that you cannot go into a store and expect the clerk to exchange his $100 product for your piece of paper with a 1 on it.


The existence of monetary value is why you have some of the smartest people in the world working in the field of economics.
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>>156872851
*says it*
its ok i guess
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>>156872851
we're with her
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>>156872827
it holds no value if the person you're using with doesnt think it has value. fortunately, an incredibly large majority of people fucking love money so you can buy just about everything with it.
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>>156872942
yeah word
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UMMMMMMM hellllooooooo???~????
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*looks at the last slice of poison pizza*

umm...you gonna eat that?
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'son 'za is the best
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>>156872865
You keep begging questions without answering them and since you brought up the definition of value
the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something.
we can say the first instance
>the regard something is held to deserve
is predicated on its having one or more of the following
>importance, worth, usefulness
In the case of money, importance and worth are a result of its usefulness

Now then, since we've determined monetary value is the result of its usefulness we must examine the nature of money. Since its only use is to exchange it for other things, its usefulness is determined by the usefulness of the things it can purchase. Lets use your favorite example, zah. In order to determine the usefulness of money we must determine the usefulness of zah. What does zah do? It makes you fat, harms your internal equillibrium and otherwise makes your body ill. Not very useful, in fact, I'd call that downright harmful which would make money not only useless, but harmful. Lets use another example: you can buy starcraft 2. Lets examine the usefulness of starcraft2. You can sit on your ass getting fat, waste time, and get carpoltunnel. Not very useful

You see now that the value of money is based on the value of the items you exchange for the money and if you can get nothing of value, that is, nothing useful, with money then money itself is valueless

>Smartest people in the world work in economics
Epic retard. Counting high does not mean you're smart
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god i have this movie OST stuck in my head but i dont know what it is!!!!!!

i think its from a cyberpunk / hacker / high tech type movie but frickin cant figure it out its killin me!
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do you guys still ladder or do you just watch/discuss sc2? only curious
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>>156874351
we play mount your friends
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i cant afford sc2
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>>156874351
I used to ladder in wings of liberty and HoTS but no longer.
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>>156874351
everyday
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>>156874987
rofl
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you never notice normal foreheads until you see a really big one
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showtime is so good!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aWO5ipUfzc
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>>156875504
nobody gives a FUCK about showtime!!!!!!!
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>>156875725
oh :c
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woo hoo butty thats a nuddy buddy
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is it over? are those retards finally done arguing??
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>>156875807
yeah i btfo that guy and he couldnt even respoond
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i think the first guy was right but the other guy was wrong
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>>156874276
>In the case of money, importance and worth are a result of its usefulness
>Now then, since we've determined monetary value is the result of its usefulness

>i stated this thing
>therefore we've determined it's true

lol this guy...
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>>156874276
>begging questions

Do you know what this means? All I have done is explain the objective reality of value, a subjective concept. What you seem to do is conveniently ignore every reality that goes against your argument. In your own example, for instance. You ignore the enjoyment many receive from playing video games or eating their favourite foods. What you're doing is not describing values, but falsely and inaccurately ascribing properties, many of which are themselves subjective.

You're trying to conflate values, or what humans ought to value, with some non-existent objective evaluation of the 'usefulness' of an object. The reason this doesn't work in reality is because people do not value different things equally. Things are not equally useful to different people. One person might not care that pizza is unhealthy, while another might be a obsessive health freak. One might see games as a waste of time, others see them as enough of a passion that they dedicate their lives to producing them.

Usefulness is, like value, a subjective concept born from what individuals subjectively value. The two are implicitly intertwined. If you want to make an argument from usefulness you have to first concede the existence of subjective value.

>>156875807
no
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i change my mind, the last guy is right and the other guy is wrong
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we are all right
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>>156876263
what're you a fucking swiss?
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just uninstalled my """antivirus""" aka botnet
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anyone up for some soul caliber 2??
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i need woopr poopr around my dick
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the jewel of the north......... oasis
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im with her (that's 'gi btw)
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>>156876403
woopr's anal is MINE
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ugh why did i drink so much...
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quake live is too nuts.....
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>>156874276
>spending money on leisure is bad because leisure is not useful
hello kiddo
please try to ponder your high school philosophies further before spewing your drivel on a mongolian spice trading forum
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>>156875969
Green text and anime doesn't confute me. You need words and intelligence for that, boy

>>156876041
You did not explain the objective reality of value, you asserted nonsense which I proved to be false. Like I'm about to further do now
>You ignore the enjoyment
Lets do what you didn't, which is examine if what you're saying is true by examining the usefulness of enjoyment as we did before
what is enjoyment and how is it useful? enjoyment lets say is pleasure. what is pleasurable is what is pleasing and what is pleasing is good. Now, is laziness good? no, that's a sin. is hurting your eyes looking at a screen good? no. is getting carpoltunnel good? no, that's an injury. is clicking on little bugs quickly good? no, I can't say that it is. So in what way can sc2 justly be called enjoyable?
>properties are subjective
water being wet is not subjective. here once again you beg the question by saying subjective properties without saying how. as if it's enough to assert it without proofs.

>one person might not care that pizza is unhealthy
and he would be wrong. dedicating your life to something meaningless does not in itself give it meaning. you've asserted such to be the case without showing how

Value is only, as I showed which you did not confute, usefulness and nothing more. Usefulness is objective which makes value objective. If you want to say value is subjective I ask that you show how that is the case otherwise you're not saying anything of substance

>>156877269
If I'm wrong then confute me
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my testicles are too nuts...
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money literally has value because it can help me achieve anything of value
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just woke up... too nuts...
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>>156877486
Name one
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>>156877513
you want me to pick anything? pick one yourself
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>>156877372
>If I'm wrong then confute me
if you're looking for a technical definition, then leisure and/or free time is a necessity for maintaining good emotional and mental health
whether a person's using their money to play video games (lmao get "carpoltunnel"), watching movies (lol get your retina burned); the concept of usefulness holds no relevance in regards to leisure because each person is going to enjoy different things, whether that is doing physically demanding activities that are beneficial to your body or doing activities that aren't phyiscally demanding (the aforementioned)
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>>156877505
lmao

fcuk u
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>>156877435
haha
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i want fries.......
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>>156878067
thank god someone got it
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>>156878080
u mean chips -.-
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me on the other hand? been sticking to that scv abstinence call and can now look @ girls without feeling any sort of sexual arousal or pressure
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and in case anyone wonders
that is a godlike feeling of absolute emotional superiority

i think people with less libido (girls in general) feel like this all the time
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in response to that
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women are objects to be ogled
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as i previously mentioned
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my butt is object meant to stink
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>>156877602
>I can get anything of value
>can't even name one
consider yourself defeated

>>156877752
>Leisure and free time is a necessity for maintaining good emotional and mental health
Explain how and define emotional and mental health. Also explain how participating in useless and or harmful activities is paradoxically also a good thing. Until you can do that you haven't confuted shit
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>>156878616
take a shower...
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cs:go is better than sc2
db8 me

*opens wikipedia and starts looking for some numbers*
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>>156878686
*takes a shower*
*smells butt*
stink
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>>156878653
lololololo
ok
i value 'zah
money gets me 'zah
therefore money holds the same innate value as 'zah

checkmate
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>>156878748
did you remember to use soap?
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>>156877372
>Green text and anime doesn't confute me. You need words and intelligence for that, boy

please, show me your determination.
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>>156877372
You didn't prove anything, you ignored everything against your argument and posited mostly irrelevant points.


>what is enjoyment and how is it useful?

What you're asking cannot be answered in any objective way. If you actually read what I posted, I already told you. Usefulness is subjective and it is intertwined with what one values. You can describe objective properties (I.E Pizza is generally unhealthy, water is wet) of something, you cannot objectively say whether or not its existence is useful because people do not value things equally.


Using the video game example, a person that doesn't care for video games, doesn't value them and just sees them as a waste of time will almost certainly see as them as not being useful. A person that has a passion for video games, values them as a medium and spends his life making them will almost certainly find use in playing them. Whether it be simple entertainment, inspiration, or learning from their design to improve at making his own games.


In this sense you cannot possibly claim usefulness is in anyway objective. It is intertwined with value, it correlates with it. A glass of water is not as useful to the man drowning in a pool as it is the man dehydrating in a desert.

>and he would be wrong.

At this point I'm not even sure which side you're arguing. Feel free to go tell a starving child in Africa that he is wrong to not care much for the unhealthy nature of a pizza.
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nothing better than a little tasting after dirty anal
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>>156878653
>Explain how and define emotional and mental health
because without something to entertain the mind in between the arduous tasks of daily life, the mind gives in to boredom and stress along with a whole plethora of possible mental issues
do you really expect me to keep explaining things to you because you're unable to put two and two together? do your own research instead of always jumping on the opposite discussant's back to do it for you

> Also explain how participating in useless and or harmful activities is paradoxically also a good thing
let's see
person A enjoys football, it gives him great pleasure and it helps relieve him of the stress he faces from working his difficult 9-5 job, and it also serves as a way to keep him from getting bored during non-work hours
person A enjoys playing video games, it helps relieve him from the stress he faces from working his difficult 9-5 job and also serves as a way to keep him from getting bored during non-work hours
really makes you think
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cs go is awful the maps arent fun i dont have fun

they took away the two maps i actually did like, zoo and agency
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>>156878583
what a slut
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cod:go is the kind of trash we do not even talk about here
+1 me or die
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>>156879203
u belong in a zxoo fuckin niggwer
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whats the best multiplayer shooter
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>>156878768
>innate
not really
hold your money for a year and you wont be able to afford the same 'zah
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>>156879356
h1z1
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>>156879356
cs:go
dont listen to these plebs
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quake
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>>156879356
diabotical
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>>156879441
rofl
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u guys wanna play some rocket league or wat
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>>156879519
rofl
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no go to hell u mongrel
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>>156879421
go to bed grandpa
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car soccer is the fuckin STUPIDEST thing ive ever heard of
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>>156879723
ur a fuckin nigger kid
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>>156879821
>>156879821
+1
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>>156879821
STUPIDEST VIDEO GAME IDEA>>156879862FUCK YOU FAG BOY
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post t-ara
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>>156880021
q-ri......her tits.....
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you guys should meditating. you're always so angry.
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should meditating
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>You have already reported this post, or someone with your IP has already reported it.
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>>156878768
>I value zah
That begs the question of subjective value I'd like you to demonstrate that. Otherwise zah is, as I literally showed in one of my examples, useless

>>156878903
>You didn't prove anything, you ignored everything against your argument and posited mostly irrelevant points
How fortunate for you I can explain each one if you would but point them out and or explain how that is the case. You're not doing either so they stand

>Usefulness is subjective and it is intertwined with what one values
Second time I'm asking. Explain how
>you cannot objectively say whether or not its existence is useful
Yes you can. pizza is useless since it was shown to be poison for the body
>because people do not value things equally
the presence of ignorance is not an argument. just because someone can theoretically exist who says the sky is green does not make the sky's being blue subjective. If they see pizza as useful it's only because they reasoned wrongly and are in error and that subjective errors does not supplant the objective uselessness of pizza

>[usefulness] is intertwined with value, it correlates with it
on this we don't disagree. though you say it is subjective. lets take your glass of water example. you're ignoring key facts water in itself is worthless, but in your example you ignore the very obvious truly useful thing that unites both examples which is soundness of body. The man drowning wants to be on dryoland, because he objectively values soundness of body. the dehydrated man wants water because he too objectively wants soundness of body. You, in trying to demonstrate subjective value actually used an example that shows objective value

>Feel free to go tell a starving child in Africa that he is wrong to not care much for the unhealthy nature of a pizza.
appeals to emotion will not be tolerated if you don't have the wit to make an argument then just concede
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red velvet should go back to black hair!!!
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i was going to say "try meditating" but i changed my mind and forgot to take off the -ing and add the e
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ham is hot
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>>156880075
she was my fav pre-plastic era...
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>>156880240
what the hell isn't useless? ur going into semantics and it's really lame
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i like t-ara's music
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>>156880263
+1
best pits in kpop. inb4 momofags
>>156880248
+1
(You)
word
their classy look was the best
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>>156880352
If you read my post I literally named soundness of body. Do I dare challenge you to make an argument when you can't even read my post all the way through?
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>>156880278
she was really cute and lovable pre-plastic

now she just gets me penis hard....
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>>156880415
joy has better pits

seulgi too

best pits tho? hard to say maybe yein
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>>156880461
so then 'zah isn't useless
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>>156880561
I showed zah to be poison confute that or demonstrate how zah is whatever it is you're saying it is otherwise you lose
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>>156880536
shit opinion as expected from a homo
>>156880502
what a shame. i wish she quit t-ara with hwa
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>>156880638
im not a homo don't call me that!
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>>156880634
i don't see how it being poison is relevant if it's a means to an end
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>>156880461
soundness of body is useless since we're just gonna die
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>>156880724
go cry to your mommy gayboi
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he's not gay
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>>156880791
hah
gotem
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>>156880732
Explain how and explain of what end you speak of
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holy heck i wish that idiot would shut up
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>>156880871
>person is starving
>in order to not die, he must eat the only thing that's available to him which is pizza
>not a means to an end
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>>156880871
the thing was to get this soundness of body u speak of

'zah will get u there momentarily

nothing else would matter then. 'zah would have value
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>>156880791
Develop your argument and explain how life with a sound body is useless otherwise my post stands
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'za was a mistake
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>>156881152
worst haircut tbqh
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>>156881001
Begging the question. Explain how life would be preferable to death in the situation that you describe

>>156881034
Health isn't a circle you can't get there by taking more poison and looping around back to health from illness
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i like jerking off to ugly girls
that one up there will work just fine....
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>>156881339
that guy who likes seulgi...
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>>156881416
kill yourself
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first of all seulgi is one of the prettiest women in the world
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>>156881462
confute me...
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>>156881284
that isn't what this argument is about
you asked why pizza would be a means to an end and according to you, pizza is poison (which is a somewhat fair assessment since pizza is unhealthy)
and even if pizza has no value or is not important in itself, it is still valuable in achieving the goal of not starving to death in that situation and is thus a means to an end
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>>156881585
shitzii...
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>>156881585
playing kancolle as usual
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>>156880240
>Second time I'm asking. Explain how

I already have. A person that values the taste of a pizza over the healthiness of a salad will value pizza over salad come dinnertime. A person that values video games over TV will find video games more useful when they're looking for something to entertain them.

If a person is seeking entertainment and does not value video games as a form of entertainment, they are useless for that purpose, for that person.

Unless you're literally going to suggest opinions are either objective or without meaning, you cannot possibly argue this.

>Yes you can. pizza is useless since it was shown to be poison for the body

A pizza is not useless to a starving person. They would literally die without it. It is the most useful thing for a starving person that values life over minor long term health detriments.

>the presence of ignorance is not an argument. just because someone can theoretically exist who says the sky is green does not make the sky's being blue subjective. If they see pizza as useful it's only because they reasoned wrongly and are in error and that subjective errors does not supplant the objective uselessness of pizza

The sky being blue is not an opinion or a value lol. Again, you're describing an objective property about the sky. This property does not in any way suggest its usefulness or how much people ought to value it.

Many might find the blueness of the sky to be beautiful and find themselves to be happier when the sky is clear, others simply might not care enough for it to have an effect.


>on this we don't disagree....

The objectivity of this falls apart in the presence of people that are suicidal. People that value non-existence over continued life.

>appeals to emotion will not be tolerated if you don't have the wit to make an argument then just concede

It's not an appeal to emotion, it's reality. A starving child in Africa will not care that a pizza is unhealthy, in that moment it is irrelevant to him
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>>156881284
the soundness of body would not have anything to do with health in the long run. it was about filling your most primitive needs as you earlier described
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'zii........
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>>156882502
anon........
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>>156882701
turn on pc and start sc2
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>>156881580
It's important that you clarify some few trifles for me. I need to know why you say life would be preferable to death in that situation, since the means necessary to give zah value rests on this being true because if death is preferable then zah has no value. If life is preferable, then that's another can of worms but I'll leave you to explain why that should be so and if you can do that I have one more trap card for you

>I already have. A person that values the taste of a pizza over the healthiness of a salad will value pizza over salad come dinnertime
and he would be wrong
>Unless you're literally going to suggest opinions are either objective or without meaning
you read rightly that I am saying there is such a thing as an error or a lack of understanding which leads to the formation of incorrect opinions. This is observable very easily if you say 2+2 is 5, you would be in error. you would have a lack of understanding that led you to an incorrect opinion about 2+2 and I would be able to demonstrate with literal mathematical accuracy why you were wrong and the same is true for other such incorrect opinions

>A pizza is not useless to a starving person
I'm having that debate in another reply chain lets let that one develop on its own

>The sky being blue is not an opinion or a value lol
You left me to imagine what it is from your lack of wit. Would you call it, then, a fact?
>This property does not in any way suggest its usefulness or how much people ought to value it
Are you suggesting that the truth has no value? Because the sky being blue is true. That is the property that it has. Lets use your example of people and the sky. One person calls it green. He is in error and he is wrong, which is objectively bad. Another calls it blue and is correctly, which is true and the truth is an objective good. What say you to this? Let it be the main portion of your reply since you seem to think everything is subjective let then you say how truth is subjective
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>>156882763
+1
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>>156882013
Explain this to me, though it may seem trifling to you I assure you it's most necessary if you would be so kind. Explain by what means the pizza is to effect all that you say
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>>156882701
i'd be a gentleman and leave the room so she can get dressed
>>
everything in this post >>156882779
past the first line break is in reply to this guy >>156881861
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>>156882779
>It's important that you clarify some few trifles for me
it literally isn't
you asked how pizza could possibly be construed as a means to an end in some kind of situation, and i showed how it could be
to go into the discussion of "well maybe the person starving had crippling depression so it would be better if he starved so pizza has no value" or something along the lines of that would be as redundant as it would be stupid and would only serve to help you deflect attention away from the fact that yes, pizza is indeed a means to an end in that situation
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>>156882701
jerk her off
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>>156882939
>The man drowning wants to be on dryoland, because he objectively values soundness of body
the man starving wants to fill his belly because he objectively values soundness of body

exact same logic
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>>156883007
gonna delete it after last nova missions are out
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>>156883007
lmao
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>>156883136
It's necessary that you do so in order to confute me. As I explained, the value of that zah is determined by whether or not life is preferable to death and, if preferable, how the zah is meant to effect its effect in order to reach its end. These are questions most important that you must answer if you wish to confute me

You MUST show how the end is valuable if the means is to be valuable
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>>156883007
>he owns shitcrap poo
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>>156883280
why..
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>>156883146
you cant jerk off girls
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>>156883414
no reason to waste disk space since i only play singleplayer
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>>156883253
I asked you to explain how the pizza is to effect all that you say not /why/ he does it. This is no quibble, anon it is vitally important and I am prepared to blow your mind if you can answer me these trifles
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i didn't read any of that but i can tell you guys are having a deep existential debate so i'ma just let you talk it out ^.^
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you guys are dumb

pizza doesn't matter ultimately you could just eat something else
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primes WoW
not primes fo4 and hot chocolate
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>>156883361
>You MUST show how the end is valuable if the means is to be valuable
do you want to argue semantics all day
do you want to just conjure up endless scenarios where person A has terminal cancer and thus eating pizza would be useless even if he is starving
or how person B eating pizza is useful since then he can stay alive and return to his hot wife and his job with a $1million/year salary
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>>156883841
me on the left anon on the right
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>>156883894
>tattoos
gross
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>>156883565
effect all what? you lost me
i have stated that the effect of the pizza, as the glass of water you brought up, is to gain that soundness of body you held to value
thus the pizza had value as means to an end

you're arguing that the journey is of no value but that only the end is? is that it?
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>>156883898
that's not me !
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>>156884032
;)
>>
*masturbates to sc2 units* >:3
>>
dad always overcooks steaks
so i have to eat dry chewy meat
but when i do them even medium he says they're raw and goes and cooks them longer
he's an idi*t
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>>156884245
bansheefapper...
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>>156884307
rape him
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>>156884407
actually queens...
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>>156883841
me on the left sickzii on the right
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>>156883885
>the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning
>meaning
if you're trying to say anything of value we should both be very concerned with semantics

Let me put it to you this way explain how life is preferable to death

>>156884001
No no, let me help clarify. You're saying eating the pizza is the same as drinking the water in the desert scenario. For soundness of body, yes? I asked how the zah does that, let me show you by way of example how the water does that. The water enters the body through the throat and fills the lungs, which then acts as a sort of lubricant for the blood and other nutrients to get to the flesh and every other part of the body. Do you explain the same that the zah is supposed to do and I remind you that I will blow your mind
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>>156884682
>Let me put it to you this way explain how life is preferable to death
i'm no longer an authority on whether life is preferable to death when arguing about a situation where a human being is left with the choice to persist or die
the human survival instinct is possibly the strongest drive any human being has, i am simply arguing that as opposed to what you thought, pizza does indeed have a means to an end in a hypothetical situation
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>>156883898
'zii...
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>>156884956
heh...
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>>156884682
>The water enters the body through the throat and fills the lungs, which then acts as a sort of lubricant for the blood and other nutrients to get to the flesh and every other part of the body
this is not at all how the body makes use of water, what the fuck are you on about
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>>156884652
UMMMMMM

can i see
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>>156884682
>water enters the body through the throat and fills the lungs
so umm this is the drowning pool scenario that makes soundness of body the dry land?

so not eating anything will make your body cannibalize itself for calories and eventually consumes your heart muscle enough so that it is too tired/small to beat or smtn, and eating calories will stop that

im pretty confused as to why u wanted me to explain that. r u an alien?
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>>156884921
You're dodging the question. How can you say the zah has value when the "end" you speak of may well be valueless as well? If life is not preferable to death then zah is valueless since it serves no purpose. If what you're saying is true life must be preferable to death, yet you are refusing to say why

You lose the argument

>>156885071
Are you dodging the question as well? You said zah is necessary for soundness of body, you must then know how that is to be the case otherwise you would not have said what you did

I'm going to take your omission to be nothing more than your ignorance of how zah is supposed to effect soundness of body and consider you defeated until you explain how
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is destiny posting here?
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wow you guys sure are cool
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>>156885310
I'm assuming zah is supposed to have these "calories" you speak of. Now then, these calories, are they anything else than nutriment?
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>>156882779
>you read rightly that I am saying there is such a thing as an error or a lack of understanding...


There is no lack of understanding or knowledge. You could present the objective nature of pizza to them and many would still choose pizza over a salad because they simply do not care about the long term health benefits enough to place it over short term enjoyment.

You cannot argue this in an objective sense, unlike 2+2=5. It is purely a choice, an opinion, a value. If these people are truly happier living this way, in spite of the knowledge that it is unhealthy, what objective argument could you possibly make to convince them that they are wrong to find enjoyment in areas that you don't? If at the end of their life, in spite of the negative effects, were ultimately happier and more fulfilled in life, how could you prove otherwise objectively?

How could you possibly argue for say, one genre of video game over another, if their usefulness and thus the values people ascribe to them, are objective? Not everyone gets the same enjoyment from the same kinds of games. It is abundantly clear to the vast majority of the population that differences of these kinds are ones of subjectivity.

>Are you suggesting that the truth has no value? Because the sky being blue is true.

No, I haven't even suggested that. The truth is the truth, it is true independent of what one thinks of it. It can inform values and is in itself a value in that some value the truth more or less than others.

What it isn't is an objective benchmark for what humans value or what humans ought to value. The sky being blue has zero bearing on what one thinks about the sky being blue or whether one values the blueness of the sky. As I said, many might find a clear blue sky to be a beautiful sight. Something that when they see it, it makes them happier. Others might not care, or might prefer the sky to be covered by clouds.
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the faggot who spells 'za with an h is saying shit so i'm assuming he's wrong because he's the world's biggest faggot
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>>156878153
no fries....
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ahem

may i PLEASE see chunli dickgirl video?????
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>>156885594
+1
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>>156885594
+1
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>>156885502
essentially they are nothing other than energy for your body i guess
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>>156885327
>life must be preferable to death, yet you are refusing to say why
you're going back to semantics in which the value of one's own life is subjective to the person in possession of that life
if the end result despite the person using the zah is that they'll die anyway, be it through terminal cancer, some other grievous injury or perhaps a mental disease that will make life after using the zah to survive quite agonizing, then no, zah is not as valuable as one might think

but if the person has something to strive toward after using the zah to survive, something that gives their life meaning, then yes; zah is valuable

after you failed to pick up on this and sidetracked onto something else, i clarified how i'm unable to declare with certainty how a person would think that life would be preferable to death because once a human being is put into that kind of situation, the drive to live is overpowering
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>>156885845
why does he have only one eye
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>>156885327
>You said zah is necessary for soundness of body, you must then know how that is to be the case otherwise you would not have said what you did
i'm not the anon arguing about the soundness of body, but to imply that drowning would somehow act as a lubricant for blood and other nutrients to travel to other areas of the body is simply false

water is necessary for the body when you ingest it, not when you allow it to travel into your lungs
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twitchtv/warcraft

our guys are playing soon
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>>156886019
NOT

OUR GUYS
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>>156886146
?
gorecki is our guy
jah and pika are our guys by association
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>>156886146
+0
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guys... what music will make me better at sc2...
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kpoop
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>>156886378
melon top 100 playlist
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>>156886378
nine inch nails
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>>156885519
This greentext
>You could present the objective nature of pizza to them and many would still choose pizza over a salad because they simply do not care about the long term health benefits enough to place it over short term enjoyment
Does not follow from what you state. You literally describe someone taking action based on a wrong opinion and then say it is not so. As I said before, the existence of someone in error does not make his error subjectively true
>It is purely a choice, an opinion, a value
all of which have objective value
>If these people are truly happier living this way
define happy and demonstrate how being happy has value, otherwise ending your life with a hoard of happiness is as valueless as ending it with a hoard of useless paper money
>in spite of the knowledge that it is unhealthy, what objective argument could you possibly make to convince them that they are wrong
If they are to be persuaded by truth, then by truth. Otherwise they are irretrievable imbeciles
> If at the end of their life, in spite of the negative effects, were ultimately happier
Still not saying how happiness has value yet
>more fulfilled in life, how could you prove otherwise objectively
As I said before, with the truth. If you're suggesting that since someone has the ability to close their eyes to truth and remain in error that that somehow constitutes a subjective truth of their own, I'd like you to show me. Since I showed that to be impossible with the 2+2 = 5 example. I could show someone saying 2+2 is 5 that he is wrong, but if he doesn't accept it and ends his life more ""happy"" and ""fulfilled"" that does not make him less wrong on this point
>some value the truth more or less than others
the ones who value it less are in error
>As I said, many might find a clear blue sky to be a beautiful sight. Something that when they see it, it makes them happier. Others might not care, or might prefer the sky to be covered by clouds.
all of which is meaningless cont--
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>>156886257
>>156886308
wow you guys are gay
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>>156886407
i have a penis and dignity so im not listening to kpop
>>156886431
what
>>156886517
nin sucks
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how do I cheez tvz?
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>nin sucks
okay this guys fuckin retarded....
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>>156886639
reapers
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>>156886639
proxy 3 rax reaper
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>>156885519
You raise examples that demonstrate meaningless values like someone thinking of the blue sky and getting happier, valueless, useless and ignore the objective values of truth which you even admitted but then made an argument that boils down to the fact that there exist people who can be wrong, therefore truth is not to have an objective value

You couldn't explain how truth is subjective, which means objective truths do exist, which means objective truths about the usefulness and value of items exist

>>156885676
Energy for the body, good. Lets return to the dying man with a zah. The idea is that he eats it so he can get energy for his body, yes? Even though it's poison? So do you admit that if he could get that energy in any other way, then he would forgo the zah?

>>156885737
>semantics
>meaning
Yes I will continue to go back to meaning if what we're saying is to be of value.
>value of one's own life
I didn't ask that, I asked how life was preferable to death not a life preferable to a death
>after you failed to pick up on this and sidetracked onto something else, i clarified how i'm unable to declare with certainty how a person would think that life would be preferable to death because once a human being is put into that kind of situation, the drive to live is overpowering
You've asserted two things: one that you don't know, which means you lose the argument since you can't say with certainty how or if life is preferable to death which means you can't say with certainity zah has value and the second thing you said was a baseless assertion about survival drive and which you've given mysterious properties to
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>>156887107
youre gay
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>>156887181
And you lose the argument
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>>156886713

is this b8?
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>>156887107
>Energy for the body, good. Lets return to the dying man with a zah. The idea is that he eats it so he can get energy for his body, yes? Even though it's poison? So do you admit that if he could get that energy in any other way, then he would forgo the zah?
sure he could do that

get to the point please i feel like it is going to be quite the let-down
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how do i learn math
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>>156887404
well first off
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>>156887502
hi tin :)
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>>156887404
https://vimeo.com/13497928
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>hurricane couldn't do it
FUCK
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>>156887374
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Breatharianism
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dont report him!
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>>156887563
this show was cool
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real tinny doesn't make anything
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>>156887649
i believe u are not him anon
lol nice try though
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>>156887773
So you concede. You lose
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>>156886540
>You literally describe someone taking action based on a wrong opinion and then say it is not so

No I don't. The objective facts are that salad would be healthier, no more no less. It is absolutely possible that a person could be presented with that fact and still choose the pizza over the salad because they like the better taste in the short term over the longer term health benefits. Simply saying "Salad is healthier" is not a strong enough argument to convince someone, even if they value the truth, to suddenly start choosing salad over pizza. If you want to argue this point in any meaningful way you cannot simply say "They're wrong". If a person values fulfilment and happiness, and they get that from choosing pizza over salad, in what sense are they objectively wrong?

If you're refusing to accept happiness or fulfilment as measurements of anything meaningful, what do you propose is meaningful?It's clear you place a lot of weight on physical health, but you're consistently ignoring or refusing to bring up the countless objective benefits, including to health, associated with happiness, wellbeing and fulfillment. As well as completely ignoring mental health.


What is it exactly that you find meaningful? You claim that values and usefulness are objective, but dismiss any relevant method of actually quantifying them as meaningless. How can you possibly evaluate the objective usefulness of anything with such a narrow world view?
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>>156887107
>one that you don't know, which means you lose the argument since you can't say with certainty how or if life is preferable to death
wrong
i asserted that i have no way of knowing how an individual would be able to discern whether life is preferable to death in a situation where their life is being threatened (though, I think that the instinct to survive would almost always push them to keep on living)

>i am unable to judge precisely how a person would think in a life-or-death situation thus the object that can guarantee their survival has no value
okay pal

>baseless assertion about survival drive
or how about you take a look at ANY events in human history where an individual or group of individuals have been faced with daunting circumstances yet were always recorded to persist as long as they could, with no certainty of whether they would be rescued or whether there was any point in continuing to survive

take for example the 1972 Andes flight disaster
the plane crash-landed and almost everyone on-board died except for a handful of people
these people ingested human flesh to survive; human flesh
not even bothering to get into how disgusting it must have been to cannibalize the people who died in the plane crash, do you have any idea how dangerous it is to eat human flesh?
any sort of diseases that person had could quite possibly infect you once you consume it, meaning that they were left with one option; die, or eat zah and survive despite zah having the possibility of killing them as well
but despite all this they continued to persist because of their survival instinct, now whether they had fulfilling lives or a tormenting existence to return to after surviving is a matter that i've already talked about
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*farts*
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>>156887878
lel
stop interrupting the fun debate and get back in though
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anyone else staying home on a saturday night...
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>>156888217
YUP!!
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>>156888217
>4chan pass
you deserve it
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i love 'gi!!!!!!!!!!
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>>156888058
what's your favorite vegan meal?
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4chan pass is worth every penny

idk how to show off my little clover thing though :/
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'k
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>>156888249
but im supporting the site...
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>>156888502
dont mind him he cant even afford .03 btc lmao
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>>156888438
you put since4pass in your option field ^^
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>>156888217
playing kancolle as usual
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:)

>>156888581
:)
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>>156888438
options:"since4pass";always

if you want it in every post
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>>156888667
>>156888749
>paying for a free website
even though everybody just said delete the porn boards, hiro knows he has you by the balls
keh heh heh
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>>156887891
>a person could be presented with that fact and still choose the pizza over the salad because they like the better taste in the short term over the longer term health benefit
And they would be wrong. You're still not saying how someone's being wrong somehow turns their error into truth. You need to do that right now
> Simply saying "Salad is healthier" is not a strong enough argument to convince someone
Whether or not someone is convinced of the truth doesn't affect the truth one bit. Anyone who would choose poison over healthful nutriment is someone who is in the wrong, what he thinks at the time he's doing has no bearing on the fact that to be of sound body is good and to have an unsound body is bad
>If a person values fulfilment and happiness
Using fulfillment and happiness again without defining them or explaining how happiness has value
>If you're refusing to accept happiness or fulfilment as measurements of anything meaningful
You've not demonstrated how they are said to be such
>countless objective benefits, including to health, associated with happiness, wellbeing and fulfillment
Name one
>What is it exactly that you find meaningful?
God
>You claim that values and usefulness are objective, but dismiss any relevant method of actually quantifying them as meaningless
What relevant method have you proposed? I could detect none in your writings, but in mine, I've said the truth, which is objective, determines objective values.

You must show how happiness is supposed to have value if you're going to make your argument based on that and you must define fulfillment likewise otherwise you're not saying anything to the purpose
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>>156888858
i dont GIVE a crap, i dont have to use captchas so :P

:P
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>>156888858
who cares the money has no value
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>>156887942
>i asserted that i have no way of knowing how an individual would be able to discern whether life is preferable to death in a situation where their life is being threatened
Not what I asked
>or how about you take a look at ANY events in human history where an individual or group of individuals have been faced with daunting circumstances yet were always recorded to persist as long as they could, with no certainty of whether they would be rescued or whether there was any point in continuing to survive
False equivalence. reports of all the ones who laid down and died or chose death over life would not be recorded or receive as many headlines as the others. You can observe in animals such as fight dogs that at a certain point the beaten dog will give up and leave itself to die

>>156887993
You've lost
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>>156888272
+1
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sombra looks so dumb ~_~
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>>156889125
sunlight does not contain calories
energy, sure, but not energy for your body.
what the hell. i think i'd like those skipped steps as fast-forward instead.
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4chan pass is poison
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>>156889481
oh yeah why is that????

i'll wait for your answer, even though i know its going to take you 20 minutes to complete the captcha lol
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>>156889646
lol
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>>156889125
>False equivalence. reports of all the ones who laid down and died or chose death over life would not be recorded or receive as many headlines as the others
maybe that's because if the people trying to survive chose to die of their own accord there would be no way of knowing whether they died willingly or died because they failed to survive; so i'm going by what is known and what HAS been recorded
>You can observe in animals such as fight dogs that at a certain point the beaten dog will give up and leave itself to die
i'm inclined to believe that's more due to exhaustion or because the dog's body has sustained too much damage; an animal that's being cornered by a threat is going to fight as hard as it possibly can
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>>156889646
confute me youve said nothing of objective value i win
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>>156889443
We agreed calories were nothing more than energy for the body. You lose. Get smarter
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>>156889839
whatever that means

anyways......4chan pass is great
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nazotokine is really good why is it rated so low
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>>156889924
you lsoe teh argument
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>>156889779
>Changing subjects
There's no mention of zah and no trace of you explaining how life is preferable to death so your assertion that zah is useful as a means to an end (life) is shown to be without merit since the end which would make zah useful has not been shown to be infact useful

You lose
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we dont use 4cahn passes anymore because theyre too popular
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>>156889850
sunlight is not energy for the body wtf
u literally cannot stop the body from cannibalizing itself by being exposed to sunlight

the fuck... u just gave up so sudden.. at least try to keep the tension going
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>>156890009
>change subject onto survival instinct and then accuse the other person of changing subjects
i have already been through with how zah can be interpreted as useful and when life is preferable to death, and that's when a person has something meaningful to come back to after surviving with the usage of zah or whether an agonizing existence awaits the person after using the zah to survive
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zah is food

it's useful if you're hungry and useless if you aren't
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>>156890418
apparently it has no value since you can eat sunlight instead

i am pretty sure some other anon is griefing me
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>>156887231
youre gay
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>>156890204
Didn't even read the link. I love these delicious tears of ignorance slurp slurp slurp. You lost

>>156890263
Your assertion demands that you say whether life is preferable to death or not
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>>156888890
You're not saying how they're wrong in any way, only that it would be detrimental long term to their physical health. You're yet to prove in any way how their choice itself is quantifiably wrong in any meaningful way.

Why does what you're proposing have real value to human beings? Why is there objective meaning in what you're suggesting and not in what most people actually want out of life?


>What relevant method have you proposed? I could detect none in your writings, but in mine, I've said the truth, which is objective, determines objective values.

Happiness, fulfilment, well-being, physical and mental health. All of these have objective physical and mental health benefits and they correlate well with each other.

If you're looking for some objective, universal meaning that is pervasive throughout the universe you're not going to find one. If you're talking about the pinnacle of what most people consider satisfaction out of life, those categories are as accurate as it gets. For almost every human, a perfect life would fulfil all five of those categories.

What makes you think your suggestion is in any way objectively better?
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>>156890607
According to practitioners, pranic light is accurate, channelled information from a huge invisible spaceship hovering over North America.[1]

yeah dude let's all go to planet xenon next summer!
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>>156890607
>Your assertion demands that you say whether life is preferable to death or not
i've already painted up a scenario in which life can be viewed as preferable to death and vice versa
what more do you want
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i dont care if people post kpop or cartoons but stop using caps!
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i honestly cant tell how many of the people itt are "debating" ironically and how many are saying "you lose the argument" and actually sitting there like 'damn proved him wrong im so cool'
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>>156890519
i seriously hope this is a joke
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>>156890418
you can just put it in the fridge and eat it later lol
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>>156890884
but then zah is not useful
nothing personnel but u lose the argument kid
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>>156890840

i spin things..
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>>156890987
wrong then it's always useful because you can eat it later
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>>156890987
if it's useful sometimes and not useful other times, you can't just call it useless
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>>156890519
there's absolutely nothing wrong with spinning things

in fact it's completely normal and fun
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>>156891071
>>156891140
you lost the argument.
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>>156891028
can you stop talking about yourself for one second? jesus christ
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>>156891269
*grabs crotch*

what now freak
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>>156891269
why did jeb! leak this? revenge?
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>>156891512
the one who laughs last...
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hey guys... which starcraft raec do i play if i just smoked some crack... hoo boy do i feel good
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>>156891512
his official announcement was "tuck frump"
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seobb...
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>>156890638
>You're yet to prove in any way how their choice itself is quantifiably wrong in any meaningful way
>only that it would be detrimental long term to their physical health
Missed the part where I said sound body is good and ill health is bad?
>Why is there objective meaning in what you're suggesting and not in what most people actually want out of life?
Someone wanting something does not make it true, you can want 2+2 to equal 5 all you like it does not change the fact of the matter

You're still refusing to show how happiness has value and you used fulfillment again without defining it when I told you that was a necessity. If your list is to have any meaning than what you list must be shown to have meaning. You lose the argument
>>156890703
Keep those tears coming
>>156890713
I want what I asked for. If you're saying life is maybe preferable, maybe not, you're not saying anything other than you don't know. Which means you don't know the value of life which means you don't know the value of zah which means you lose
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>>156891637
...laughs last?
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>>156891749
>How do they survive?
>The second possible answer to "how do they survive" is that "they don't".
u read the thing right? when was the last time u ate something....
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ugh occult nine is so tedious to watch
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>>156891749
>Which means you don't know the value of life which means you don't know the value of zah which means you lose
wrong
what i'm saying is that one person might deem life more valuable than someone else, and as such the value of life is variable
in the case where the individual thinks it's worth living after using zah to survive, then yes; both life and zah are valuable
in the case where the individual think it's not worth continuing to live after using zah to survive, then no; zah is not valuable to them and neither is life

this isn't just some kind of black-and-white matter
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>>156892085
>what i'm saying is that one person might deem life more valuable than someone else, and as such the value of life is variable
You're asserting that opinions determine facts. I'd like you to demonstrate how that's possible
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>>156892164
i dont get it
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HEY GUYS... WHICH STARCRAFT RAEC DO I PLAY IF I JUST SMOKED SOME CRACK... HOO BOY DO I FEEL GOOD
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i dont like anyone
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@156891945
No more you's for you kid you lost sorry
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hoo buddy thats a nutty butty
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HEY GUYS... WHICH STARCRAFT RAEC DO I PLAY IF I JUST SMOKED SOME (You)S... HOO BOY DO I FEEL GOOD
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nah you lost
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>>156891749
You're not answering the question.

Why is what you're suggested should be valued objectively true? It's clear you value physical health, but you refuse to acknowledge not only the benefits to physical health offered by happiness, fulfilment, well-being, but mental health entirely.

I've given you my answer to that question and it has functional meaning to almost every human being in existence. To strive for such a life is to strive for what individuals want most out of their lives, whatever it may be.. And if you really need the definitions for those words you're free to google them - the first definitions will apply.


In your mind, there is an objectively right way your live your life and the vast majority of the world is wrong. What is it and why is it objectively right to value what you value?
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>>156892306
>You're asserting that opinions determine facts
no, i'm asserting that in the case where a person has a choice to preserve their life or not, the value of zah and subsequently the value of their own life is subjective

person A who has had a wonderful life and just so happens to be starving in a desert is obviously going to find value in using zah to survive and finds value in his own life
person B who just lost his entire family in a car crash and found out he has terminal cancer and happens to also be starving in a desert is not going to find much value in using zah to survive because he is likely not going to value his own life as much as person A and is less likely to want to survive, knowing that what awaits him is mental anguish
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ANYONE EVER CONSIDERED WHAT IT WOULD BE LOIKE TO PUT YOUR DICK IN A COWS MOUT HAHAHAHHAHA LOL LME ENITHER NJUST KIDDING YEAH I HAVE IM A FREAK
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i just ate a wendy burger and chicken nuggets and large fry (brit = chips)

and then i ate a mini kit kat bar and a mini crunch bar and 5 chip a hoy cookies

none of it tasted good :/
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http://www.strawpoll.me/11382095
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>>156892902
mm pretty sad feeling
just don't buy that shit ever again...
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>he didnt vote skimbug

lol
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>>156892984
not an argument friend
u lose
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>>156892726
>I've given you my answer to that question and it has functional meaning to almost every human being in existence
Given without definition or demonstrating how they have the supposed values you give them. If what you're saying is to have meaning you must show that

>>156892790
>person A yadda yadda yadda
>person B yadda yadda yadda
Their opinion on life has no bearing on the fact of whether life is preferable to death or not. You're asserting that their opinion changes the overall fact of life being worth living, without showing how that is
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test
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so im trying to catch up here

is this guy trying to prove pizza has no value because it is not healthy so it's "poison"?
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>>156893327
you just lost
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*boots up counter strike source*
idk why
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>>156893327
you already lost dont worry about it
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>>156893375
>>156893443
fuck i didn't even stand a chance
as expected of u guys
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but seriously though to say that poison has no value is retarded in itself
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>>156893109
>Their opinion on life has no bearing on the fact of whether life is preferable to death or not
yes, because they are the ones in possession of life and they are the ones who can judge whether their lives are worth living
>You're asserting that their opinion changes the overall fact of life being worth living
yes, because life is lived by human beings and the worth of a human being's life is determined by human beings
i cannot fathom how the value of life being subjective is so hard for you to grasp
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>>156893109
I've already said you can google the definitions, I'm not going to copypaste them for you lol. The first definitions apply, these aren't some deeply personal definitions. They're commonly understood in philosophy and science.

I'm asking you to tell me why what you're suggesting is objectively true. Again, you value physical health, but haven't mentioned a single other benchmark for what you consider to be the right way to live your life. Nor have you proven how your world view is in any way objective.

I've already told you mine, and I've told you time and time again that values are inherently subjective, so if you're looking for universal truth you're not going to find it. What I have given you is a list of things that are likely the best possible indicator that a person is satisfied with the life they have lived that can be applied to almost every person in existence regardless of their own subjective values.

If you believe that to have no meaning, I'm waiting for you to offer your objective alternative.
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i'm going to fucking kill myself
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why do i feel like this thing has gone circles for the past hour...
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>>156893964
word i just called papa john's too
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>>156893973
because it has
you lose argument
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>>156894041
how are you gonna get the za? your money has no value
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>>156894117
sunlight 'za is free
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i think im gonna order a breatharian 'za this time

which toppings should i go for?
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>>156894117
go drink ocean za
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zah is perfectly healthy if you're white

in fact you could live on it
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what if we stopped using money, and just use 'za?
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we, the veegees, like pizza
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>>156894519
nothing would change as neither have value
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>>156894519
zah would be the better choice

you can't just print more 'zah

it would retain it's inherent value that money doesn't have
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>>156894614
actually 'za has negative value because it poisons your body
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>>156894614
actually you can eat 'za and it's really good, so it's valuable.
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>>156894736
>>156894742
you lose the argument
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>>156893798
I asked you to define fulfillment and to demonstrate how happiness has value. I'm not going to get how you say happiness is valuable from google. Sorry, not going to let you weasel your way out of this one if you want to debate me you're going to need to do it with substance

>I'm asking you to tell me why what you're suggesting is objectively true
It's demonstrated very easily. Health is better than ill health. Therefore to choose health over illness is always the correct choice
> but haven't mentioned a single other benchmark for what you consider to be the right way to live your life
I mentioned truth. What is true. Saying health is better than illness is a truth, which is objective since truth is objective. I've answer this question of yours already
>I've already told you mine
Without demonstrating how what you say is supposed to have value
> and I've told you time and time again that values are inherently subjective
While at the same time admitting of objective values like truth
>so if you're looking for universal truth you're not going to find it
Except there is
>What I have given you is a list of things that are likely the best possible indicator that a person is satisfied with the life they have lived that can be applied to almost every person in existence regardless of their own subjective values
You've given me nothing since you haven't demonstrated how they're supposed to have value
>If you believe that to have no meaning, I'm waiting for you to offer your objective alternative
I don't believe it to be so, it is so since you've not shown how its supposed to have meaning. Show it first then let us examine if it's true or not until then you've only said empty words
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>>156894845
not an argument. confute my point next time.
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>>156894736
is za valuable or valueless
help im so confused
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confutecius say: a 'za a day keeps the doctor away
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my dad lives off 'zah

checkmate athiests
>>
carbs provide energy
cheese provides protein
pizza is a vegetable
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>>156893792
>yes, because life is lived by human beings and the worth of a human being's life is determined by human beings
And likewise we're in possession of 2 + 2 things yet I cannot with my mind and opinions make the sum 5 when it's 4

Likewise you can't will life to not be worth living when it is, and you can't will it to be worth living when it isn't
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>>156895116
>confutecius
zahahaha
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look the whole team is here
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>>156895227
>And likewise we're in possession of 2 + 2 things yet I cannot with my mind and opinions make the sum 5 when it's 4
hahahahaha what
that example holds zero relevance to the argument at hand
>Likewise you can't will life to not be worth living when it is, and you can't will it to be worth living when it isn't
neither am i saying so, what i'm saying is that life can be worth living for one individual and thus zah is valuable but life can also not be worth living for another individual and thus zah is not valuable
i'm pondering whether to continue humoring your density when me and that other anon have been trying to say "value is subjective in many situations" for the last four hours with you going "nuh uh it isn't"
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bread
meat
cheese
vegetables
oil
fruit

za has it all
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our mentally healthy girl is streaming. her stream sucks
https://youtu.be/O0-h5d0E4dI
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>>156894903
>I asked you to define fulfillment and to demonstrate how happiness has value

Half of this conversation was literally on the topic of the subjectivity of values. I've already told you things do not inherently have value, value is something assigned to things by humans. You're the one continually suggested that values are objective and that your values are the ones that are objectively right.

What I've told you is that the 5 things I listed - Happiness, fulfilment, well-being, physical and mental health - are the best existing, quantifiable measure of how satisfied people are with the lives they have lived. These are commonly understood terms. Studies are run on them, societies work to increase them. It applies to the vast majority of people regardless of their own subjective values and beliefs, they correlate well with each other and maximising them offers countless objective health benefits.

If you do not believe that what people want from life matters or should matter to them, you need to stop dodging the question and provide the objective alternative you claim to have. Because I don't think such an alternative exists or needs to exist for human beings to prosper.
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why are there so many die-hard christians here? very disturbing
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>>156895956
your lack of faith is disturbing
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>>156896036
this one?
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>>156895956
i'm not christian
you lost the argument
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>>156896234
*prays for you*
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>>156895313
-1
>>
hoooooo butty
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>>156895313
more like world of BOREcraft
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>>156895427
Say it all you want until you demonstrate it to be so you haven't done shit. Lets go back to your example, you said one person's life would be worth living if he had a "wonderful life" without defining what that is or determining whether or not that has value. Likewise your example of someone who wouldn't want to live is someone whose entire family died in a car crash and he had terminal cancer without demonstrating how those things have value either. From the perspective of value, each life is equally worth living than the other which means life is objectively either worth living or not, irrespective of circumstances or you must show how those circumstances are qualitative differences in valuable sense
>Humor me
You lack the intellectual muscle to humor me

>>156895925
>I've already told you things do not inherently have value
Without confuting me who has shown that they do. You've conceded this point then next
>What I've told you is that the 5 things I listed
Still not demonstrating how they have value so your list is without meaning and ironically, without value
>If you do not believe that what people want from life matters or should matter to them, you need to stop dodging the question and provide the objective alternative you claim to have
I've not dodged anything and have posited truth and knowledge as an alternative to ignorance and wrongness

This is the 4th time I've asked you to properly develop your argument and you've instead reasserted your demonstrated claims. You're losing
>>
>>156896508
<3
>>
passable tarp lmao
>>
how do i become a passable tarp
>>
narci is trying!
>>
wow you guys plunged pretty deep into semantics

newsflash: there are different types of values
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>>156896785
not true
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>>156896785
herpes shill detected
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>>156896830
not an argument you lose
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>>156896438
>you said one person's life would be worth living if he had a "wonderful life" without defining what that is or determining whether or not that has value
okay
that person eats 5 billion tons of broccholi each day and does everything that can be perceived as healthy
now his life is valuable to you
>whose entire family died in a car crash and he had terminal cancer without demonstrating how those things have value either
because a life with nothing that can provide joy along with the loss of your loved ones can be perceived to have more value than a life where someone is not afflicted by any of those things?

again and again you try to subvert the notion that value is subjective while continuously bringing up more instances where value can be considered subjective

>You lack the intellectual muscle to humor me
*tip*
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>>156896972
>because a life with nothing that can provide joy along with the loss of your loved ones can be perceived to have more value than a life where someone is not afflicted by any of those things?
Explain how
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>>156896830
uh
value isn't subjective pal
you lose the argument
>>
never drinking again
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>>156896972
*knocks on your door*
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holy shit you guys are still talking about pizza, its fucking saturday night...
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>>156897098
the question mark at the end was supposed to imply that it was an ironic statement to illustrate that once again, the value of life is subjective
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>>156897245
take that valueless piece of trash out of my sight!
*confutes your butt*
>>
thai ladyboys
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>>156897505
>wboy
no
>>
wow the udon anime is really good

slice of life is truly the pinnacle of anime
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>>156896438
You haven't shown anything. So far the extent of your argument has been "You're wrong". You haven't shown anything to be objectively true. You've had one angle of argument and you haven't brought up a single other benchmark for what you consider the objectively right way to live.

I've given you what I believe (as well as literally everyone else, including people that study it for a living), which is the most accurate known framework for maximising satisfaction in the lives of the vast majority of people. Most people, if they could live their lives maximising all of these factors, would die satisfied with the life they lived with no regrets. Regardless of what they claim to value or believe.

You suggest there's some objectively better alternative to what 99% of people would consider the ideal, but have never actually said what it was.

You're asking for an answer I've told you repeatedly doesn't exist. I'm asking you for an answer you've repeatedly claimed existed and never actually given. The easiest way for this argument to end would be for you to give it but you're continuing to dodge it.
>>
finally the name of that notorious anime of this season has started to see daylight
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>>156897332
If
>a life with nothing that can provide joy along with the loss of your loved ones can be perceived to have more value than a life where someone is not afflicted by any of those things
is supposed to be ironical then what you're is his life cannot be perceived to have more value than the other which means they have the same value which means you agree with me which means you concede

>>156897693
>You haven't shown anything to be objectively true
2+2=4
The blue sky
Health > illness
>You've had one angle of argument and you haven't brought up a single other benchmark for what you consider the objectively right way to live
Guided by truth, said it before
>I've given you what I believe
Said it without demonstrating how that is the case
>You suggest there's some objectively better alternative to what 99% of people would consider the ideal, but have never actually said what it was
Appeal to the mob, followed by fudged numbers
>I'm asking you for an answer you've repeatedly claimed existed and never actually given
Ignoring my posts
>The easiest way for this argument to end would be for you to give it but you're continuing to dodge it
No need since you've all but conceded but your refusal to demonstrate what you posit and ignoring my posts

Your next post will be a demonstration on how happiness has value or you will have conceded I will accept nothing less
>>
wait wait wait

you're telling me there's a gook?
>>
almost every anime this season sucks

wtf?
>>
wow it's almost like anime is shit
>>
>>156898126
happiness has value the exact same way anything else has value

you give it value
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>>156898126
>his life cannot be perceived to have more value than the other which means they have the same value
not at all
people have different motivations for wanting to live and find differing amounts of value in different things in their life

thus you cannot declare with certainty whether life is valuable or valueless which once again ties back into the fact that value is subjective
how long are you going to keep this up i wonder :^)
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>>156899085
i like this new meme
>>
would you prefer a real girl or a ladyboyshemalehimher if they looked the exact same

except obviously one has a girldick
>>
>>156898494
that one anime though... its so good...
>>
came home to a shit thread
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>>156898731
Wrong. Giving the value of 5 does not make it 4

>>156898742
The existence of various incorrect opinions does not equate to various truths there is one truth and many ways to err
>
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>>156899140
the ladyboy only if she's uncut
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>>156899261
but cut looks cleaner... and cuter....
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>>156899328
-1 idiot retard moron jew bitch
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>>156899236
5 and 4 have nothing to do with moral values

"i would trade my left arm to be happy"
someone else might trade both arms

subjective
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>>156899397
found the turtlenecker lmao

i think you can still get it snipped even as an adult
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>>156899236
>The existence of various incorrect opinions
>incorrect opinions
>incorrect
>opinion
hahahahahaha you are actually this deluded

as it stands the value of life is still subjective as it has always been
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>>156899189
the witch one? it blows
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>>156899508
not happening muhammadsteinberg
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>>156899593
rofl
>>
anyone else think cut dicks look really gross
>>
>>156898126
>Guided by truth, said it before

What truth? Truth about what? This doesn't mean anything.

>No need since you've all but conceded but your refusal to demonstrate what you posit and ignoring my posts

Considering you keep requesting and ignoring an answer I've told you does not exist, there is no other way for this to actually go anywhere.

Happiness is something almost every person in existence claims to value. It is what people work their whole lives seeking. It, as well as the other things I've mentioned, if maximised is the best framework for maximising what people associate as positive emotions, minimising negative emotions and giving people what they want out of life.

You claim there are values that are objectively correct and better than all others. What is objectively true is that the vast majority of people hold certain values, whether you believe them to be correct or not, that can be fulfilled if the framework I gave you were to be executed and maximised. That would result in the maximum life satisfaction possible. If you believe any positive emotion to be 'valuable', it would be maximised by that framework.

You either consider every positive emotion felt by these people to effectively not be 'real', in which case your argument has no functional relevance to most people, true or not. Or you consider there to be a better framework, but you won't explain what it actually is.
>>
new thread just make it a tychus thread or whatever so we can go back to our current discussions immediately without bitching about the op edition
>>
ig.com katyapero

x____X
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>>156899714
+1
disgusting
>>
>>156899714
no
>>
>>156899739
hel it's aboud dime :DDDDD
>>
>>156899589
there are multiple shows this season you could be referring to

not that the show i'm talking about has a witch though

desu if you watched it you'd know straight away what i'm talking about

its really a gem, not even just compared to this season, but compared to the past 10 years of anime combined
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>>156899589
which one is the witch one
>>
>>156899801
:D
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>>156899787
found the jew/muslim/american
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this thread is full and crappy anyway
>>156899812
>>156899812
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>>156899878
>no big bang op
dropped
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>>156899417
Changing the subject to moral values. We determined earlier that value was a function of its usefulness. The usefulness of something is not determined by the opinion you have of it, that is determined by whether it is objectively useful or not. The truth is useful, the sky being blue is true. Having the opinion that it's green, however useful you might think it is, is wrong.

Show me how stupidity is supposed to be useful if what you're saying is true

>>156899532
As it stands you've wandered well from the point and have said nothing that confutes me. You've conceded
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>>156900216
>As it stands you've wandered well from the point and have said nothing that confutes me. You've conceded
not at all
time and time again i've illustrated to you that people have different values in life and thus you cannot generalize
one person might find much value in living vicariously through their family and thus find no value in life after their family died in a car crash
another might hate their family and continue on with things normally after their family died in a car crash
through this, and through the last 10 posts i've made, i have shown how people find differing amounts of value in different things and this is something you are either too stupid or too stubborn to accept
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>>156900216
the right hand is useful.

stupidity is useful for without it there would be no wisdom
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>>156899725
>Happiness is something almost every person in existence claims to value
Then you should be able to explain how it is supposed to have value very easily then
>It is what people work their whole lives seeking. It, as well as the other things I've mentioned, if maximised is the best framework for maximising what people associate as positive emotions, minimising negative emotions and giving people what they want out of life
All assertion with no explanation
>If you believe any positive emotion to be 'valuable', it would be maximised by that framework.
If you're asserting that it's valuable you should be able to show how
>You either consider every positive emotion felt by these people to effectively not be 'real'
If you're saying they have value to your life you should be able to show how
>in which case your argument has no functional relevance to most people
Another appeal to the mob
> Or you consider there to be a better framework, but you won't explain what it actually is
One based on truth not ignorance. Now if you'll kindly demonstrate your points

>>156900520
>one person might find much value in living vicariously through their family and thus find no value in life after their family died in a car crash
Explain how that has value
>another might hate their family and continue on with things normally after their family died in a car crash
Explain how that has value
>through this, and through the last 10 posts i've made, i have shown how people find differing amounts of value
You haven't you've shown that you can find people with different circumstances not in what way those circumstances are meaningful or in what way they have a bearing on anyone's life
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>>156900958
>Explain how that has value
because said two people subjectively find value in either living vicariously through his family or don't find value in living vicariously through their family

>
You haven't you've shown that you can find people with different circumstances not in what way those circumstances are meaningful or in what way they have a bearing on anyone's life
but i have
in one instance, the presence of having a family is a circumstance which has a bearing on one person's life
in another isntance, the presence of having a famiily has little to no bearing on one person's life

thus i have painted up a scenario in which the value one finds in life can be different along with showing how the circumstances one is in can have a huge effect on the value one finds in continuing to live

deflect all you want but this is something you simply cannot escape
>>
>>156900558
If stupidity is useful as a function of wisdom then you concede that wisdom and stupidity exist. Which is to concede that the true and the false exist, because what is wisdom except the knowledge of what is true from what is false? If then you admit truth and falsehood are real then there will be a true and a false way of life. One answering to wisdom, the other answering to stupidity
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>>156901348
>because said two people subjectively find value in either living vicariously through his family or don't find value in living vicariously through their family
Not explaining how
>in one instance, the presence of having a family is a circumstance which has a bearing on one person's life
Explain the bearing
>in another isntance, the presence of having a famiily has little to no bearing on one person's life
Explain the lack of bearing
>thus i have painted up a scenario in which the value one finds in life can be different along with showing how the circumstances one is in can have a huge effect on the value one finds in continuing to live
You've asserted things without demonstrating how what you're saying is the case

Repeating your scenario is not an explanation of how what you're saying is supposed to be. You're losing
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>>156901460
>If then you admit truth and falsehood are real then there will be a true and a false way of life.
how so?
>One answering to wisdom, the other answering to stupidity
why would a life answer to anything?
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>>156901725
>Not explaining how
because they subjectively find value or don't find value in their families?
>Explain the bearing
because said person subjectively values their family very much
>Explain the lack of bearing
because said person subjectively doesn't value their family very much

>You've asserted things without demonstrating how what you're saying is the case
?
one person can subjectively find value in one thing, another person can also subjectively not find value in the same thing

are you really this dense
i am starting to fear your intellectual capability and whether this argument was worth engaging in, anon :(
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