/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>151296032
First for chei

>>151798116
2slow my friend

first for chei

first for chei

>>151798163
Take it easy

Threadly reminder that Roguelikes are, in fact, a subgenre of RPGs.

xth for I want to kill myself, whats the fanciest way to do that in a roguelike?

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Puffy vulva!

>>151798724
Monsters can also see the player when the player can't see them because of light mechanics.

>>151798524
definitely getting to level 50 as a Samurai in PosChengband and then using their capstone technique to commit ritual suicide and end your game. Up to you if you try to do it after winning or before.

>>151798834
also, monster breaths end in a ball, and the monsters know this, so that matters too

but understanding this asymmetry thing is v. important tactically in diverse situations

>>151798524
Nethack and adom have some obscure ways to kill yourself.

Choking on your own vomit is a classic.

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>>151799032

>>151799157
Worst gif ever made in the history of computers

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>>151799354

>>151798524
>play vampire convict
>melee the horsemen
>You bite Famine! Unfortunately, any amount of it is fatal.
>You die...

who /making their own roguelike/ here?

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First for Cheibriados!

Is it possible to replace the Shoals floor tiles with some other place's tiles?
I really hate how bright they are sometimes

SLEX, slash'em, or plain nethack?

>>151800804
Un or 4 rather than plain.

How do I id any of the stuff I find as a beserker in PCB?

>>151801068
Why those instead of slex/sle? And which of 4 or un?

>>151801246
you have to pay for identification in town, or equip an item that grants auto-id

>>151801246
Either find the stone of lore (if you're playing randarts only, have fun) or drag all your crap to the thieves guild in morivant and pay to identify it.

>>151801564
Start with vanilla so you can see what the variants change.

Slash'em is (an older version) of vanilla with a bunch of things added with little regard for balance. It's basically the PCB of hacks.

Unnethack is slash'em lite.

SLEX is one of those things that you play solely because how bad it is has to be experienced to be understood.

I don't know what 4 is.

>>151801914
in pcb5 you can find auto-id on more than just the stone of lore

notably hats of knowledge and dragon armors with the (lore) ego, although more often they just have auto-pseudo-identify instead

>>151801860
I didn't know where to ID in town, but

>>151801914
Thanks, I guess I will drag my crap there.
Where is stone of lore? Or just random.

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>>151802196
random :D

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>>151802469
>:D

>>151802196
if you use the look/examine key and move the cursor over the door of a shop in town, you will see the shop name, which is helpful, though only by visiting can you first learn what the shops all do of course

For a while I thought of C:DDA being the "rape children in orphanages" game but I guess that's actually HellMOO.

>>151802469
Mkay

what do you go for ranged attacks as MiBe?

>>151803223
Javelins

>>151803223
either throwing or evo

>>151803381
>>151803391
hmm
are bows/xbows ever worth as secondary weapon? I feel like they are usually shit as a PRIMARY weapon

>>151803610
They're actually really good secondary. Xbows are anyway. You just pew pew pew until they get into range, but you're a little too loud to really take advantage. Stealth xbow is a real build and wrecks pan like no other.

>>151801564
SLEX/SLASH'EM is a bunch of silly crap.
SLASH'EM adds a bunch of stuff, but with reasoning and some sense of balance.
SLEX adds everything stupid you could think of.

Don't start with vanilla like that other anon said, NH4 and UnNethack just add a good deal of improvements over vanilla. NH4 has no balance changes compared to 3.4.3 afaik, and is a good starting point since none of the 3.6.0 NH changes are very good aside from the bug fixes (many of which are just ports from NH4) and the scumming changes (which don't matter to a new player).

why is qaz so fucking useless in extended

>>151805047
2 loud

>>151805047
jokes on you
I got 3 runes of hell with FoFi of Qaz then I died in pan

>>151805047
because qaz is a fun god
the gods aren't supposed to be balanced relative to each other; xom is always going to be worse than trog

>>151805193
>xom is always going to be worse than trog
Until he gives you Robust 3, rC+++ amd rF+++

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>>151799032
>Nethack

Or extremely bullshit tier deaths, pic related.

>>151805360
That doesn't seem better than BiA desu

>Zot is mostly dragons and draconians
>who are known to be the greediest fantasy creatures in existence
really makes you think

>>151801914
>I don't know what 4 is.

Nethack4 is basically Nethack with some *MINOR* gameplay changes and a better UI.

>>151805480
This picture would be more effective at converying its meaning if the player wasn't burdened like a dumbass.

>>151805792
Considering the master mindflayer was right beside the stairs, I think I was sufficiently screwed either way.

Being burdened was default my fault though.

>>151800132
like ten of you faggots have posted about how you're making your own roguelikes yet you all disappear before the game is finished

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>stasis is bloat

why is the royal jelly so fucking ez

>>151805814
What does DFC mean?

>>151806541
They removed -cTele so you can just blink or passage past that

>>151806590
because slime is the hardest branch so having an easy boss fight balanced it out
>-40corr after 3 turns with rCorr

>>151806682
>spells
fag

>>151806854
Blink scroll retard

>>151806541
Sometimes both lungs can be blocked by Zot traps.
This can happen when you are playing an ant.

>>151806591
Deep fried cunny

>>151806591
It's a misspelling of KFC. It's become a meme, much like 'you're waifu', etc.

>>151806591
delicious flat chest

>play FoHu crossbowant
>never find any bolts
>play MfFi shieldpoker
>find SIX (6) stacks of bolts - including steel bolts - as of D:6
Why is this allowed to happen?

>>151806591
Daughterus (are) For Cutes (not for lewds)

>>151807852
crossbows arent a starter weapon

>>151807984
They literally are, unless they got removed.

>>151808689
He means that it isn't a weapon that you want to start out using. Its a secondary that you pick up at a later time.

>tfw can't even get past adders and jackals
What the fuck, how are you supposed to run away if these faggots can chase you down Human Fire Elementalist life is rough

>>151809564
>playing Hu

>>151809564
CONJURE FLAME

>>151805360
i'd rather have the +12 executioner axe of fuck magic {rf++, rc+, rn+, mr+, sinv}

>>151809701
>not playing human
What are you racist, anon?

>>151809702
At level 3? Damn. Alright. I'll get it.

>>151809910
>get conjure flame
>don't understand what's the point of it
Is this shit supposed to create a blockage

Would it be OP if berserk never wore off as long as you keep attacking an enemy?

Seems sort of retarded to just randomly stop being mad when you're knee-deep in gore and furiously hacking at a monster that's trying to kill you.

>>151810138
Pfft. Yeah man, you create choke points and ruse enemies into walking on it. Mostly you just cast it, and plink the dudes with flame tongue from safety.

>>151809564
why are you playing Hu though

>>151809335
>Lair:7

>>151810301
berserk is already OP, I'm glad it has at least some downside for non-trog worshipers

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>>151810301
>wanting to remove literally the only skill part of playing berserkers: deciding when to berserk, when to fight without berserk, and when to evoke feet
anon, you should be ashamed

>>151810301

Berserk is retarded in general.

>>151810326
This is helpful. It doesn't last all that long, but it's good enough.

>>151810375
It was the first on the list, so why not? Also said average at everything, in case I didn't want to mess shit up.

>>151810613

You've already messed up by picking Hu when you don't even know what Conjure Flame does.

>>151810465
>>151810506
but it doesn't make sense

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Anyone else getting triggered by elona's control scheme?

>>151810691
Alright, what's the right decision then? Demigod?

>>151810138
FE is easier with characters that can take some hits, flame tongue is unreliable and the best spells work better if you can tank damage for a couple turns. stuff like DEFE is for speedrunners only who don't care about constantly dying pre lair

>>151810765
Never had a problem with it.

>>151810785
Follow your dreams, lad. Hu is a fine choice. They just don't excel at anything.

>>151810785
easiest way to win with FE for beginners: pick troll and drop the book

>>151810785
Deep elf or Draconian. Deep elf for GLASS CANNON FUUUUUCK HP, and Draconian for moderate defensive mage who don't need no armor.

>>151810785
deep elf
go Hu if you want to level up skills non related to magic later or something.

>>151810785
lava orc

>>151810785

No, Minotaur.

>>151810785
if you want some survivability: draconian, gargoyle, hill orc (and use a weapon)

>>151810718
play a dnd barbarian sometime and you'll see where it comes from

>>151810301
even badasses have to take a breather sometimes

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>>151810850
My keyboard tenkeyless aka no numberpad, so the numberpad based scheme triggers me to no end. What kind of madman thinks using * as a keybind is a good idea ever?

How 2 balance trog!?

>>151811326
Edit the keymap file (or maybe you can do it in game, I don't remember) to vi keys.

>>151811442
DEBE, do not enter orc or lair

>>151811442
Extend his magic heatred to evocables as well

>>151811442
make brothers hostile if you walk away from enemies

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I didn't know that Draw Out Power can cure petrification holy shit that was dumb

>>151810818
It's unreliable? I mean, it's much more reliable than the spells that take whopping mp.

>>151810850
Thanks, man.

>>151810919
Drop the book? Hold up.

>>151810995
Okay, that's better, not that I know what kind of armor mage use anyways.

>>151811003
Like melee skills?

>>151811020
Lava orc?

>>151811039
Sure, I'll give it a try.

>>151811227
Well, why would you not use a weapon? Are you not supposed to?

>>151811240
D&D rage is nothing like DCSS rage. One is a divine/spell effect, the other is natural.

>>151811996
compared to freeze, magic dart, sting and sandblast it is pretty bad. it's better than shock at least.

>>151811996
>Well, why would you not use a weapon? Are you not supposed to?
you are, but not training weapons it all on a mage type character is a common trap for new or stubbornly bad players

>tormentors survive 4upheavals
whats even the point

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>the bolt of lightning misses you
I didn't realize I was even in a zappable position. I wouldn't say I was lucky, but lol D:2.

>>151812373
just disaster area, its barely more piety than upheaval

>>151812410
Ijyb is the classic gnome with a wand of death, except for the fact that she's the only enemy in the game that can spawn with it early. Just walk away.

>>151812089
Spells, I've never encountered. I'll see when I find them, I guess.

>>151812229
Like isn't it sort of a low focus automatically anyways? Is there a specific weapon to get for a mage type character too?

>>151812373

bloat

>>151812538
Terrence, Ijyb, Natasha, and Jessica may all spawn with wands.
Additionally, other monsters who wake up while you are exploring may pick up floor wands.
I don't remotely believe you autoexclude Ijyb every game unless you are on a 20 game streak or something.

>>151812967
Igyb is the only one that can spawn with threatening wands.
I absolutely avoid Ijyb unless I'm playing mibe or anything that can deal with a wand of lightning on d:2. And you should too.

>>151812967
They changed it so that mid and high tier wands are no longer picked up by monsters and they dont spawn with them
this includes stuff like lightning and paralyze

>>151812967
ijyb can roll more dangerous wands than the other 3, so i exclude her for sure. more dangerous than grinder if she gets lightning

>>151813064
>Tfw you're in Ijyb's LoS for atleast 10 turns with no zaps, so you kill him and find a full charge wand of iceball on his corpse
2 spooky

>>151812554
>Spells, I've never encountered. I'll see when I find them, I guess.
those are level 1 spells from the other mage backgrounds

>>151813138
I hardly knew her

>>151813121
When did this change happen? I was killed by an orc with /lightning in 0.18.

>decide to visit orc mines
>get absolutely bodied by stone giant when nothing else could even hurt me
The fuck

>>151815038
CAN'T GRUK THE RUK

>>151813750

I think that >>151813121 is referring to this commit:
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72460c5054d72016ebe3edb8dc7367300f7ceccc

Only the problem is, that anon has misunderstood the commit.

That commit added a check to not spawn any of the following wands when the item_level is < 2:
1288 case WAND_ENSLAVEMENT:
1289 case WAND_CONFUSION:
1290 case WAND_PARALYSIS:
1291 case WAND_LIGHTNING:
1292 case WAND_ACID:
1293 case WAND_ICEBLAST:
1294 case WAND_DISINTEGRATION:

Only the thing is, item_level in this case translates into a call from items( which translates into a call from _builder_items, wherein item_level is just another way of saying env.absdepth0 .

The only place where absdepth0 is < 2 is Dungeon:1.

So if I'm reading the code correctly, that commit about monsters not picking up dangerous wands? It only has any effect on D:1. Everywhere else, they're free to pickup and use disint/lightning/acid/etc.

>>151815623
Actually, upon further looking into the code, env.absdepth0 translates into absdungeon_depth, which itself checks branches[branch].absdepth + subdepth - 1.

(I don't remember there being a -1 in there in the older code, but maybe that's just bad memory.)

Dungeon's absdepth value is set to 0, so D:1's env.absdepth0 should be 0 and D:2's env.absdepth0 should be 1.

So actually, the no strong wand check only affects D:1 and D:2. Nothing else.

>>151815623
>>151816164
>>151816164
So ijyb on d:2 is trash while he is a destroyer of worlds on d:3?

>>151798557
Thanks Korbo.

>>151816630
That's unrelated; that code is for floor spawns and monsters picking them up out of sight. Ijyb spawns with wands, and she's the only early enemy that can spawn with strong wands.
That code does mean that she's the only enemy in the game that will kill you with acid on D:2, though.

>>151816804
>indulging the absurdity by actually referring to ijyb as she
anon you are triggering me pretty hard right now

>>151817046
Ijyb is canonically a girl now. It already happened. Denying it is just silly at this point.

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>>151812229
>stubbornly bad players

I bet that's a dig against me personally.
For your information I just found Arga in a shop in Orc and am going to train to mindelay because I like having fun.
I'm glad I abstained from whoring myself out to inferior weapons.

>>151817046
>gender matters so fucking much that I get triggered by a he/she
anon you are literally the tumblr

>>151817121
My headcanon is that all Crawl monsters are genderless on account of the fact that none of them have reproductive systems or an opinion in the matter due to the entirety of their existence being comprised of lines of spaghetti code in a freeware game

Opinions of the devteam do not factor into this

Why do we call them Minotaurs when they're really cow-kin? If anything, we should call them WoMinotaurs.

>>151812229

I don't train weapons/melee at all but I have 4 casters 15 runers already.

>>151817705
I've won branchless but that doesn't mean going to lair first is a bad idea.

PUBLIC DISCLAIMER

PUBLIC DISCLAIMER

The pass for rlgrobin on Xtahua is robin, not ownfault.
robin

Though I suspect no one besides myself plays on that server.
Also there is a save at a pretty good point on Lantea, it seems.

>>151817807
I'm a Pole so I do play on xtahua and underhound

>>151817776

It's a bad idea because you're wasting exp

>>151817807
Are there any rules or guidelines for rlgrobin?

>>151817973
any screenshots posted to the thread must be accompanied by poor cropping and at least one empty post prior to satisfy the curse

>>151817973
No fun allowed.

>>151817973
this >>151818028
and you have to name your weapons

>>151817973
No, though if you're a babby there might be some rc file shenanigans set up on some servers.

Why do people like chei?

>>151817807
lantea is lag as fuck god damn

>>151818493
Tons of stats and powerful abilities. A character of Chei can be an incredible hybrid

>>151818493
He lets you take it easy.

>>151818809
Nah taking it easy means piety loss

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>>151818493
chei is a weird god that greatly changes how you approach the game

>>151811937
They keep attacking you after you are dead? Is that because you are resurrecting?

>>151819258

Who knows? Even the dead can't rest in peace in Crawl

What tileset is best for CDDA? I really dislike Chesthole but it comes with a fancy launcher and everything I'd much prefer to have Mshock as my tileset but that one seems very outdated.

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>>151818493

>>151819481
wow you killed popcorn

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>>151819621

>>151819753

wow you 3 shotted something I could melee tab at 121 max hp, 24 str

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>>151819458
use ascii

>>151820006
Oh ok

>>151820006
>Go bone yourself
What did he mean by this?

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>>151819986
The beauty of crawl is that there are many ways to kill a given monster, but one of the beautiful facets of chei is that he can allow you to use only one way to kill, the way of the fist

is kobold of dithmetnos or whatever legit for extended?

>>151811996
Titan doesn't have rCorr against slime covered rock wall, so he killed himself.

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>>151819986

>>151820315

>328 hp

Needs frail 6 tbqh

>>151820315
>chei
>berserk
NOT HARAM

>>151820315
>felid of chei
but why

>>151820647
yeah, it was an amulet with random rage on it, I put it on and got lucky that it activated soon into the fight. Chei still blocks the haste part though

>>151820708

+45 total stats and Slouch™

>>151820901
but felid slouch is fucking ass

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>>151820708
just to show how powerful of a god chei is

okay I'm done posting old screenshots, I just needed to make sure everyone present knows that Chei is the best god

>>151820917

You can actually press Slouch™ again! Bet you didn't realize that trick before now did you?

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Someone played on rlgrobin on lantea yesterday, played a bit of my VSAs, continuing the run now so tune in if you want
http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

>>151823165
>getting rid of the inscription
faggot

>>151823187
that mad tabbing

>>151823165
>VSA
For what reason

>>151823242
Its rude :<
If it will make you feel better ill put it back

>>151823509
nah its fine

>>151823371
Idk, felt like it

Is it worth enchanting a reflective shield?

>>151826279
on mumo it is

>>151826279
Depends, are you having fun?

>>151826279
AC > SH

you can enchant your shield if all your armor is already maxed out

>>151826470
VSAs?

>>151826654
Yes, reflecting ruks is fun

>>151826772
Then you should enchant it to reflect even more.

>>151826702
>AC > SH
Where's the proofs?

>>151829223

SH is RNG horeshit just like EV.

>>151823276

otab is the secret to mad gains

What is the best race for Chei? I'm thinking Vinestalker. The Vinestalker's chance of biting is ([STR+DEX]/49) chances out of 1. Thus, the Cheibro literally guarantees it.

Next, the bite's damage is governed by how much damage the primary attack deals which, with cheistats, is "lots". As a VSMo of Chei, I have consistantly gotten (primary hit)!!!, (bite)!! as damage before I'm even done with Lair.

Finally, Chei has good panic buttons, which Vinestalkers appreciate more than most thanks to no-device heal 3. Even better, they're MP-intensive: since the restored MP from the bite is based on how much damage is dealt (already established as "lots") and the Cheibro guarantees this bite, Vinestalkers of Chei are uniquely suited to spam such abilities.

>>151829821

>formula wikifagging

your kind is truly the worst of cancers

>>151829952
desu not sure what you mean
I got the only formula in that post from here, a few months ago.
and I don't know what wikifagging means

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>>151829821

Vinestalkers never need healing nor stats though because they do not matter

>>151830525
They're both good tho

>>151800132
Trying to figure out procedural generation. In and of itself, no issue whatsoever, but I'm trying to progressively generate without limits to test out a bunch of cool ideas I have. For testing purposes, I started by generating seed points in each generated region (a 64x64 chunk of potential tiles) at the region centre and using the minimum distance of each tile to the seed points in its region and the 8 surrounding regions to see if that worked. Exactly no problem there, everything was as expected, I get infinite hills, etc.
Now I add random positioning for the seeds and change the seed value from 1.0 to a random value in the [0., 1.) interval and I get very weird shit, like extremely sharp borders and discontinuities. If I examine the generated values, I see that there are jumps and I simply can't figure that shit out.

>>151807852
I've had the same experience whatever thrown weapon I start with (start with stones, only find arrows; start with bow, only find bolts). It is either a bug (you're supposed to find the same ammo as your weapon but somehow the ammo type is offset by 1 at generation), or the devs are niggers.

>>151829390
AC is random horseshit as well, literally 1dAC reduction. Do you mistake it with GDR?

>>151830920
https://www.xkcd.com/221/

>>151831423
AC gives you GDR though.

>>151831439
The rng seeds are fixed before any generation occurs for region seed-points and is a function of region coordinates and a fixed factor. Generation and regeneration are completely consistent so that doesn't seem to be the issue.

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I have a stupid question
Why doesn't the drop or inventory command show scrolls or potions?
Quaff shows pots, read shows scrolls
Drop doesn't
This is webtiles dcss-ca

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>play 10 gorillion games of FoFi in hopes of finding this
>play one game of VSFi of 2pak, find it in the labyrinth
I'm glad the minotaur was just napping in the corner and never picked it up, but am sad that I will never use this. The Plutonium Sword is really cool, but inferior to UC+infinite polymorph

>>151831423

yeah haha that random orc pack could surely kill my 1d40 char with these 1d1 AC RNG horseshit instance lmao

Could I get any suggestions for a roguelike which is less RNG-based than DCSS to play?

I don't mind RNG on item drops so much, but the combat RNG is really getting on my nerves.

>>151831919
It looks like they're not taking up inventory space. There's no reason to ever drop them.

>>151832735
Yeah well
I need to drop 2 books for burning
Shouldn't have picked them up, I guess

>>151832556
>but inferior to UC+infinite polymorph
It really, really isn't, anon.
It's just a shame that it showed up so late on a not-great apted race for long blades.

>>151832735

>I don't mind RNG on item drops so much

You're thinking of Elona+

>roguelike which is less RNG-based than DCSS to play

You're thinking of Elona+. Relies more on hardwork/grind and knowledge than RNG

>>151831484
Armor gives you GDR, not AC itself. That's why Draconians are so annoying to play.

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gotta love slouch

/r/ing original forgotten crawler pic

>>151834698
Thanks, doc.

>>151830525
#AllStatsMatter

>>151834698
>wasting piety on popcorn
literally every slouch ever

>>151834948
It was aimed at the sorcerers
That it killed the popcorn was a side benefit.

Is vinestalker bite damage really stats based and not mutation level based?

>>151835223
It's purely XL based plus modified by fighting and strength like everything else

Does anyone have a good init file for 0.15? I downloaded it recently just so I could play some good old crawl but the lack of auto-eating chunks when hungry and not auto-praying over corpses is killing me.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=9c3d78425ac5ee07c3641d1d4906aa1ea7076808
Why are they adding this when wands of polymorph exist

>>151835780
>supposed to be for casters
>its actually an IWIN-button for everyone UC based

>>151835780
Would've been more interesting and flavourful it it transformed the player into a randomized BoB chimera.

>>151835780
Looks like a "potion of beneficial self polymorph", whereas selfzapping /polymorph can fuck you up.

riposte is op as fuck

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>when ur a monk but he keeps nuttin

>>151835780

Why would casters need that if they have autowin spells??? They keep on adding more bloat to be quite honest

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>started as a DsMo, wanted to go for the spicy polymorph 2pak strat
>see this
Well fug.

>>151833842
>elona+
Alright, I'll give that a try.

Can someone explain how Charge+Flanking works in Sil?

>buy three unID'd scrolls of acquirement from a shop
wew

>>151838940
I don't think they synergize, but I could be wrong.

>>151838769
Disregard that, I splatted like a bitch.

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>>151835780
>transform into spider
>juggernaut squishes you

>>151833842
desu elona item rng is ridiculous. You can get the same item at level 1 and at level 9999 so you often end up wih an early superitem that just carries you through your entire lifetime, which is boring as fuck and doesn't feel like progression. Good RNG is when you get progressively better odds of finding good shit the further you are along. You still have a chance of finding an item that can carry you for 20 levels straight, but you also get exciting items popping up.

>>151841502
Skills and stats are more important in Elona+ than items anyways.

>>151841502
Also the fixedarts are so much better than the majority of items that everyone ends up using the same stuff anyway.

Dungeons and loot are the most disappointing parts of elona.

>>151842014
Yeah, especially since they can reach ridiculous levels, but I think that's also a mistake. They should be no more than exactly as important in my opinion. /jp/ completely disagrees though.

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how am I supposed to get in? do I have to blink?

>>151843005
Find one of the other stairs.

>>151806454
Roguelike development is something easy to do when I don't have the energy to do something that's worthwhile.

I've been playing crawl online, but decided to switch to the offline version so I could have multiple character saves. First thing I noticed was that numpad . did nothing and numpad 5 was doing that instead of being 'rest until something happens'. How do I fix this so that it's like the online version?

Also the enemy list doesn't seem to have the gray/white/yellow/red name listing like the web version has, is there anyway to get that back as well?

>>151844416
stop using the numpad and use hjkl

>>151844416
Rest until healed is ctrl+numpad 5.

>>151844797
or just non-numpad 5.

Can Oka actually give you branded ruks?

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If anyone cares, continuing my run on lantea
http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

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>people that have trouble with Mara
>people that play bestrace

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>>151835780
>prowess
>changes you into a monster

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>>151846217
Thanks! I was about to ask if anyone was playing VS/Og/Tr/Fo. I was wondering how people deal with having (poor survival trait) when it's given in exchange for (great survival trait).

>>151847367
you just have to play more cautiously in the early game

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>>151846973
With the new Enslave Soul, can you actually enthrall Mara? Description says you are allowed to target Holy and Demonic creatures of human intelligence now.

>you slip while trying to ride your saddled pony
>you slip while trying to ride your saddled pony. You die.
>Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 zorkmid.
T-thanks

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A fucking hobgoblin with a club was beating the shit out of my Troll

I (barely) survived and got a +6 amulet of reflection after, but it was still a hit to my character's self-steem

>DrCj
>full HP (165)
>Go to Depths 1 for the first time
>press >
>ettins
>very ugly things
>bunch of other things
>hit me x4
>press < they still follow me
>10/165
>use hw
>tele
>dead

Dr is marketed as "durable caster" but without GDR and no armor training, they're fucking squishy in melee.
I wasted exp for training staff of earth, with 14 evo and 10 Earth, unfortunately it's still useless.
You hit vault warden but do no damage x 4.
I lose half of my HP quickly. I should stick with quick elec weapon next time.

Not to mention Dr ghost is a pain in the ass to kill because of draining breath.

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alistairs or petrify?

>>151818974
Nigga what the hell happened there?

>>151831919
consumables (and books, but not wands for some reason?) are in a separate inventory which you look at with I instead of i

control-D drops shit from this second inventory, which is only really necessary if you're carrying a billion textbooks because you're not gonna have 52 different kinds of potion+scroll

>>151834671
GDR does NOT matter
it only affects melee attacks
it does nothing against crystal spear
it does nothing against the golfball of fire's 3d43 fireball

>>151850882
Melee is 99% of all damage you'll ever receive. Yes you need protection against other shit, but it's GDR is the best investment bar none.

>>151835223
damage is based on mut level

the chance to actually bite has to pass str+dex >1d50-1 and then there's a 2/5ths chance to actually trigger

actually every aux attack except constriction has to pass that strdex check

>>151838751
so you can tab shit while oom?
most of the forms also have resists and defensive bonuses esp. for shit like op/fe or robe wearers

>>151845548
no`

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Oy vey.

>>151851406
Will that break if you kill him?

>>151849604
>10hp in melee range of fuckloads of melee-only enemies
>use HW instead of blink
anon...

>>151849953
alistair good petrify bad

petrify ok if LRD

>>151851406
oy gevalt!

>>151851073
Nah it isnt
If you check your morgue after the game you will notice that even low EV chars get only hit like 40% of the time

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>>151851549
No.

>>151851406
Don't think so, fragile is designed to make you not want to unequip items, not to make you unable to get them from enemies.

That's a pretty good weapon, Elec isn't ideal on a Great Mace but that enchantment and extra bonuses are pretty great.

Its on an Orc Warlord though, so unless you're an absolute beefcake, I would recommend just walking away and not getting splattered on the dungeon walls. Especially if you don't have rElec. Triply so if this is Orc:2

>>151849953
Blade Hands is pretty nifty, if you're transmuting and using unarmed.

I actually really like Alistair's, especially for midgame. It's a flat chance based on spellpower to affect everyone not resistant to poison you see. Amazing for Depths and Elf.

Petrify is great if you have LRD and plan on investing in Earth Magic as well as Transmuting, but you need to keep investing in those skills for it to keep up.

>>151849604
I used a Staff of Earth on a Gargoyle caster in extended. Even as a blasty caster primarily, it does massive work once you have the skills up.

As in, I beat Mennas to death with it with just an agility potion and some buff spells.

>>151852103
I'm a formicid of Quazlal on zigsprint. I'll be daijoubu.

>>151849604
staff of earth is something you pick up when you're already focused on the earth magicks

you don't train earth just to bash shit with it, you train earth for iron shot/shatter/statueform and THEN grab a staff of earth and go ham

>>151847367
Depends which background you play, but just play bit more careful and thats pretty much it
As for Tr, Fo or Og, those are pretty straightforward, bulky and can eat thru anything really
Maybe i can do Tr after this run, who knows

>>151851558
>having blink
shitposter...

>>151851549
It would be extremely painful.

FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>151853206
>not having blink

pshhhhhhhh...

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NT aka Roguelike Interdimensional Hotline Miami

>>151851558
I lost most of my scroll of blinking in Vault 1-4 and Elven Halls.
Can't find any blink in any book, except for controlled blink.
I know I should master that shit, but I don't do it, fuck.

That fucking Majin Bu staff, I thought it's good and dumped my exp to staff, unfortunately it's garbage.
I put 14 in staff, 14 in evocation that can be used for better stuff, like dodging, fighting or other magic school.
-6 HP every time I cast bolt spell is huge.
In battle, caster like Dr normally casts it 5-6 times.
This shit is amulet of harm in weapon form.

Yeah, I know it's my fucking fault.
When I see shitty Depths:1 layout I should teleport right away but I stairdance in Depths:1.
I'm afraid I'll teleport into even more ugly situation.

>>151854821
>real time
>roguelike
lol

lads I think I might have tapeworms
there were these smooth white lumps in my poo
HELP

>>151855936
Eat more garlic.

>>151855936
Better start raising your cooking skill up to level six.

>>151855936
quaff curing

I haven't played Dungeon Crawl in a while, last time I played it was right when Hep and U were being tested in trunk, and riposte was being tested.

What are the important changes I should know?

>>151857198
Nothing.

>>151857198
sustain attributes is gone
hep has seen nerf after nerf after nerf and now even gives you frail 2

>>151857741
>sustain attributes is gone

Then what's the new natural mutation of the Demigod?

>>151857741
>sustain attributes is gone
How do I deal with having my stats sapped then?

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This new god seems hella strong.

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>>151857741
>hep has seen nerf after nerf after nerf and now even gives you frail 2

what the fug

i played him a few days after release, what happened since then?

>>151858929
tuturu~

Congrats rlgrobin

>>151858126
they nerfed mummy dathcurses at the same time

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Rlgrobin win, yey
Its 3 rune but idc that much

>>151859302
A win's a win.

Was that your first one?

>>151857979
Demigods just can't have nice things.

They get like, 7 more stat points at the start of the game, an additional 5 more over the course of leveling, and in exchange have no god, level slowly and terrible skills across the board. Demigods are awful.

They do get a slightly higher than average base HP, but with -1 fighting and -2 experience aptitudes, they're even lower health than anyone else at the same place in the game unless they go extended.

procedurally generated minigolf game

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Does this always happen without me noticing or is it from sacrificing stealth?

>>151859389
No, i had 3 wins prior to this one
In order, from first to last, SpAs, GrFi and SpCK

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re

How do I gitgud at Elona? Just keep killing rabbits until I stop getting rekt?

Chei piety now decays over time
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fad57b473fa97eb5271963d916b38cf0cb2532f0;hp=a75ee9761a89626fe171cf83823357b1ab0daba3

Why is this allowed.

>>151834948
>killed 3 sorcerors and a priest from range in 1 turn

sounds pretty good to me

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Holy shit. If I splat now it will be the fault to end all faults

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>>151859964
>getting rekt

Not a roguelike unless inferno even then it's iffy.
/jp/ is the place for Elona.

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>>151860619
fuck off, my dude

Does berserker eliminates petrifiy status?

>>151861778
Your body continues to move out of sheer rage, but because you are made out of inflexible stone, your limbs simply crack off and shatter on the floor. You die...

>>151859964
make sure to give your pet loli good weapons too

>>151859964
you should be doing the quests available at the town board, which reward you with some items and a platinum coin

you can then spend those platinum coins on learning new skills

weight lifting skill is A+++ because ffffuck inventory limits

>>151844359
Well post your progress

>>151859964
Do the monster elimination missions on town boards. It lets you fight shit you should be able to handle (initially) and you can leave them at any time just by reaching the edge of a map. It will also give you starting dosh and shit.
After that you can start doing easy quests like puppy cave and the cellar.
From there, you can either try progressing the main quest, or grind dosh and buy ridiculously overpowered gear before proceeding.

>>151864909
And allegedly if you die there you won't actually die if you're playing inferno

>>151861778
No but potion of cancellation does.

>purple color
>boots of running on d:5
>book of annihilation on D:6
>book of minor magic on d:7
>+0 demon whip of electrocution on d:7 for 360 gold

If I splat this one, I'll fucking rage.

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Snatching every mothafucka orb
with no survivors!

Just started playing Cataclysm:DDA for 3 three days

I am new to this genre but this one is fun

I haven't enjoyed playing video games for two years because new games somehow become shittier and shitter

it feels good to enjoy playing games again

>>151867017
>CDDA

switch to infra arcana and post your deaths

>>151867017
play DCSS because we don't have enough shitters playing that shit game

>>151867017
Play Sil, but only play Edains, and make sure to bottle your tears and mail them to the address in the pastebin.

>>151867017
play elona while wearing a dress

>>151867325
>>151867180
ok I will try infra arcana later

I played DCSS before, it was nice, I am gonna reinstall it now

>>151867443
sounds fun, ty for the suggestion

>>151809335
Man, I miss when wyvern tiles were actually threatening.

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I KEKED BORIS
AND LIVED TO TELL THE TALE
thanks yred

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>>151869526
I also made a completely retarded decision of not picking up a spare demon trident of slicing before entering Zot, but I managed to dispatch OoF even with a flaming +9 one, probably thanks to three rF pips.

>>151865363
I know that's true with piano quests, but not sure for the hunt quests.

>>151867017
Did you figure out how to survive for a week

>long blades can now kill hydras in a single turn by just waiting 1turn right next to them
>lerny literally explodes
good job devs

>>151850036
TRJ got polymorphed somehow and then killed himself on the slime walls because he had lost immunity to them

>>151869526
>>151869936
Gz anon!

>>151871741
Wait what?

>>151872248
probably riposte shitposting

>>151861778
As far as I know, the only things that stop petrification are potions of cancellation and yara's violent unraveling.

>VSMo of Chei
>doing pretty well, got UC to 6-7 auts a hit, defenses in the 20-25 range, evo/invo at 8/11
>find a book of transfigurations
>pick up statue form, quickly get it to <15% failure rate
>turns out that statueform+cheistats+antimagic bite can oneshot sleeping dragons and kill awake ones in ~3 hits
>pretty much everything else in Depths goes down in less, especially spellcasters
>have 37 extra spellslots from when I trained spellcasting to reduce the hunger cost
>pick up hydra form for fun
>chei int+transmutations skill starts me off at 8 heads
>cruising for something that seems safe to use it on
>find a bunch of salamanders with poor weapons (spears, shortswords)
>rev up hydraform when they're just past the edge of LoS
>most mutations are instantly suppressed, most noticeably (and sadly) antimagic bite
(for balance reasons certainly, but it'd be really fun if that didn't happen)
>lose a little EV and a lot of AC and all of my SH
>consider it an acceptable loss for huge damage/almost vampirism
>keep walking to the salamanders
>salamander stormcaller pops into view for a moment, pops back out the next
>think nothing of it
>take one 20 aut step towards the center of the group
>suddenly firestorm, lose 1/2 of total HP (~60 damage in one turn)
>blink out, turn on Statueform
>kill them all, taking no damage
I feel like I wasted 6 spell slots. I'm also going to be very sad when I get to the endgame and all my defenses are worthless; being a tank that moves like a man is fun.

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>>151834776

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gud ring

>>151873064
Even after the nerfs, Statue form is the end all form, until they buff the other forms there's no reason to not go statue form for chei punchers. Dragon form works in some scenarios, but statue form is always equally if not more useful in those same situations. Hydra form is dogshit.

>>151873064
Hydraform is shit. Hydrastorm when?

>>151834776
>>151873091
>tfw still remembered

>>151873064
>moving towards enemies as a chei worshiper

Don't do this

>>151871741
you can only riposte each enemy once per turn AFAIK

>>151873738
You'll always be crawling in my heart anon. I couldn't forget you.

>>151873741
when they have polearms sometimes you have to. I'll do the time warp thingy if it's a nasty enemy, but if it's just some shitass salamanders with polearms then I'll step towards them. Statue form is that good

>>151874113
Im glad so. I even gotten a new win which is in the thread right now

don't die little baby thread
you can survive crawl

>>151877229
>haven't even got to lair yet
I hope so.

>>151851996
40% of the time is a lot though. Monsters have weak or very weak defences but good damage.

>>151877229
I'm going to tab this hydra!