/rlg/ - Roguelike General

first for chei

2nd for rlgrobins
Id: rlgrobin
Pass: ownfault

On almost every sevrer, if not every!

>>151651578
whats the theme

>>151651578
We should add some basic rc stuff to this.
First thing I can think of is the default_manual_training = true

>>151651854
No theme, its just an account for those who wanna play on them when they wanna test stuff and show other anons how to play and such and to spot us easier

>>151651914
auto stop on comes into view

>>151651854
Playing online anonymously.

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Mein Gott, its full of stars.

>>151652581
They nerfed fencer gloves in git? Holy shit

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psh /rlg/ you wanna tum

>>151652789
>nerf
riposte is ridiculous, especially with axes

>>151652807
high priestess of tummy

>>151651578
>whats the theme

being a shitter

also name your weapons

>>151653006
But muh +4 ac and extra stats to blades..

>>151652789
Unfortunately there's a Blork the Orc, a Menkaur with torment and a player ghost on that floor so I can't go get them right now.

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Ely confirmed for prude.

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Jesus christ, this is like the 3rd floor chocked full of uniques and hard enemies.

Sucks that Xom's fun juice gave me frail, I hope the rC will help later down the line.

>>151654754
dat the new urug tile?

dcss is getting lots of monster girls recently

>>151654754
God fucking damnit, tried to stairdance a bit and ran down into a beserked snorg. GG 300 gold fencer's gloves.

>>151652387
whoa

>>151655465
Goddamn, I faced
Edmund
Psyche
Erica
Grum
Menkaur
Blorc
Urug
Snorg
Erolcha
Prince Ribbit

All by D:11

>>151655380
They even made sojobo, who is based on a mythical tengu king, a girl

>>151655886
Oh, and a Joseph+Player ghost.

>>151656162
>Grinder
>Aizul
>Urug
>Sojobo

So many sexy new monster girls.

>>151652581
Why do they keep these retarded fullscreen list displays in the offline version instead of porting the neat window menus from online?

>>151651578
Note: rlgrobin's password on xtahua/lantea is "robin" instead.

And what's the point of starting a game and ending it on d:1 anyway.

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>>151655886
>>151656228

Free ecks pee straight down your throat.

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>>151656162
>Cerebov was made gender neutral
>when it's clearly a male slavic surname and would've been Cerebova if he was female
Illiterate faggots.

>>151654754
>erolcha, urug,
>D11, hard
choose one

>>151659138
>The Crystal spear hit you!!!!
>you have been banished to the abyss

>>151659138
When i'm staring down both at once and a bees nest as qazloud, yes.

>>151659138
For some characters Urug continues being dangerous until mid-lair. Erolcha is really fucking dangerous

>>151659264
>just
>walk
>away
:^)

>>151660162
>all 3 staircases right next to each other
>level is unexplored
>just walk away into the unexplored level while being chased by bees and uniques with all the stairs in one location
Just walk away is only good advice 97% of the time.

>>151656963
The devs can only delete code; they can't write any.

I tried TOME4 but it seems to take the worse aspects of elona and angband without any of the good, with a bunch of bullshit tacked on (like the unlock system). What a meme.

>try qaz
>every floor is basically one giant battle
>teleport is useless the mob will just follow
how the fuck do people play with this nigger

>>151661217
>playing TOME4 without the unlock all cheat
Most fun classes are locked from the beginning, and constantly having to restart picking from the default 3 classes is just no fun, don't do that to yourself.
Also TOME4 is Diablo: The Roguelike, and should be treated as such.

>forked spear is easily craftable and is better than the knife spear
I guess I fell for the memes. I guess if you are very unlucky you might not get enough metal out of shelter lockers to craft four spikes, but I can't imagine that is common.

Even the wood spear looks slightly better if your profession starts with a way to make fire.

>>151661894
You play a tablord race and fight hard. You max invocations then just disaster area when you get swarmed.

Got the rlgrobin's DgGl on xtahua to the point where you can enter Lair. Have fun whoever wants to play it further.

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Whats the best roguelike to play while drinking?
Should I just be simple and go with some tablord race or continue playing IVAN instead?

>>151663000
SLEX

>>151663290
Never tried it, and google gives me links to russian /rlg/ or rather /ro/ since they have an entire board dedicated to that over there by the looks of it and I refuse to touch that because it's retardedly slow and clearly doesn't deserve an entire board.
What is it and where can I get it?

>>151663964
https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Slash'EM_Extended
https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended

>>151663000
Cute tummy.

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>>151663964
It's built on bloat and dank memes.

>>151664310
I feel embarrassed to ask, but how do I get it running?

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Is Roguelike general the place for text-only games? Shit like Zork or the like?

>>151667637
Probably. Zork's pretty fun. As a kid I played that one where it starts in the past, I could never beat it. Think it was Zork 3.

>>151667637
Yes. Also tummies.

Any new stuff release lately? Flavors of the month?

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Well this is a good find.

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could this be the home of one of the big pan lords? the tornado one perhaps?
so far i only picked up one from some random lord

>>151669737
It tells you when you enter a special realm who owns it. That's Gloorx Vloq's domain.

>>151667637
Zork is not a roguelike.

>>151667637
Sure thing man. They're basically roguelikes in spirit.

>>151667637
No. Fuck off.

>>151651578
i've added a very important rc setting to rlgrobin on CAO but I'm too lazy to put it on the other servers

>>151670689
which one?

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>>151670850

>>151669159
Cogmind Alpha10
HyperRogue 9.0
KeeperRL Alpha19
IVAN is back under development
DCSS has more removals

>>151671172
i dont get it

>>151671282
go play a mibe on cao rlgrobin and tell me what happens

>>151671228
IVAN belongs in the trash and might as well not exist for all useful purposes.

>>151671561
IVAN pretty much started the roguelike craze on 4chan

>>151671807
IVAN is pure and unadulterated cancer.

>>151665742
It's probably easier to play online than install it. Mac and /g/entoo have an SSH client preinstalled. On Windows you can use PuTTY.
You can play online at https://em.slashem.me/

>>151671172
ftfy.

>>151669159
Demon had a light/dark revamp + currency rebalancing released recently but I haven't played it much

>>151672290
yeah somehow i managed to typo hit_closest to hit_close which I just saw now

but your image was cursed so I can only assume that that's what you were talking about

Why was Wiglaf removed? Serious question.

Give me a >fun combo for tome4?
Addons welcome.

>>151672441
they gave his powers to donald didn't they?

he was pretty much just "stronk melee guy"

>>151672470
Un of Install.

>>151672441
He was a mountain dwarf

>>151672380
There was no image.
Also you bound a macro for tab to ^Qyes which happens to every character.

>>151672558
DCuckSS pls

>>151671172
what does 9 and 13 mean

>>151672997
\{9} is tab

\{13} is enter which you have to press after ^Qyes

>spain just destroyed my team 109 to 59
>dicku is probably celebrating our eternal fault
I don't want to feel anymore.

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>>151672470
Skellie Brawler, Dorf Cursed and Ghoul Corruptor are my favourite.
>>151672946
No bully.

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This isn't going to be worth it when I eventually get it but the ride will be fun though.

>>151673850
>13ev

>>151674059
>2 regen and 40 AC
I've yet to run into something that has actually challenged my defenses since I got them to this point.

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This new god is gonna get annoying with the piety messages.

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Threadly reminder that Roguelikes are, in fact, a subgenre of RPGs.

>>151672470
I'm having fun with my ogre sun pally, but he seems more hyper diesel than fun interactions. So much synergy with himself, its nuts.

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>>151675057
>games that bear significant resemblance to the earliest video game RPGs and the tabletop RPGs that inspired them
>subgenre of RPGs
Is this supposed to be surprising or controversial, anon?

>>151675057
did u kno w that rouge likes are actually a kind of video games ?

>>151675057
Was this ever in doubt? That is like announcing "Threadly remind that Minotaurs are, in fact, retarded brutes who only know how to tab and pray to their god when tabs don't work."

>>151658915
Slavs don't exist in Crawl, anon.

>>151675970
realy makes u think huh......

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I'm gonna do it. Will probably regret it but i'll do it and post results after.

>>151677282
Pls no. That wand makes your dude so much stronger.

>>151677467
But anon, there could be anything in that box. There could even be a wand of hasting in that box.

>>151677539
There could be TWO of them inside!

How is extended with qazlal

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All the jewelry is new. Worth a wand of hasting? Probably not.

I also got a scroll of Acq so i'm assuming i shouldn't acquire jewels.

>>151677796
Do you enjoy fully clearing every single pan and hell floor with a god that does nothing at all

>starting nethack with OPTION=name:player results in a segfault
10/10 would play again, most hardcore roguelike out there, even the startup sequence can make you lose.

>Double swords have the same damage as Great swords
>but are 1handed
>and more accurate
>and need less skill
??????????????

>>151678205
Kirito is the strongest, how do you think he won in S2?

>>151677948
>disaster area kills everything in 1 hit
>but everyone knows where you are at all times and enemies never stop spawning
You'll want off that wild ride.

>>151677796
Real bad.

>>151678205
I was bothered by the same thing, but everyone is somehow ok with that because "muh rarity." Great swords should get a small buff.

>>151678884
Great Swords should give a little SH. People blocked with them in the past and stuff. Nothing huge, just buckler level.

easiest way to decide what armor to wear: add AC + EV and use the highest

>>151679008
Buckler tier blocking is actually a huge deal. They should have better accuracy than 2swords or something.

>>151679008
But block goes against the new sword riposte gimmick
Block is rolled before EV so every block is a hit that cant be evaded and riposted

>>151679204
well great swords need something

>>151679435
Just remove ripostes from GSes then. People didn't really use them to parry anyway.

Already wiped Pan yet where is my ring of protection?? Just one please?

>>151679578
I thought you guys were talking about buffing great swords not nerfing them

>>151661217
>>151661975
Or you can actually get good you shitters. Probably the same fags that need to pay to win in every single crappy mmo to actually do the same shit someone can do in half the time.

>>151679735
How do you find the automatically unlocked classes in tome any fun?

>>151679918
how the fuck is that even possible

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>>151679640

>>151680312
>-1 AC with Chei in extended
jesus anon

Extended is not fun and technically BLOAT

>>151679735
Literally over half of the content of the game is locked away, and almost all of the classes that are unique ONLY to tome4. Some people don't like cheevo hunting, or having to make a specific character JUST to unlock something. Some stuff is literally RNG, like unlocking the undead races by killing the master (which is a task in and of itself). Nobody wants to play the starting classes and races over and over just to get to the good stuff, especially when those starting classes aren't all that interesting.

>>151679735
Roguelikes are games with a steep learning curve, so limiting player options like that doesn't serve any actual purpose, and ToME is not randomized enough to keep things fresh after multiple restarts as the same character.
It's literally more interesting to live, die and live again 10 times as MiBe in crawl than do the same shit in ToME with a dorf fighter.

>>151675970
>>151676183
I'm sorry anon but no matter how eye pleasing the particular color shade of rouge, it will never be a video game.

>>151678205
>quickblades are better than short swords
what the fuck? why is rare hard-to-find weapon stronger than extremely common weapon?

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Welp, got the banished while trying to find the bazaar before it timed out and found this fucker.

>>151681446
SB has more damage tho. QB isn't strictly better.

>>151681721
>years
How can people survive in the abyss for that long?

>>151681781
And worms have higher damage than adders.

"Better in every single possible stat" doesn't matter. QB are better than shortblades.

>>151681721
Interesting. I've never seen that nigga before. Years of living in the Abyss probably saved him from the Bloat Removal Team.

>>151680654
Anon there's a usermod that unlocks everything

It takes all of 10 seconds to find it in the ingame mod database interface and download it

But I suspect you already knew this and are just complaining to complain

minmay pls go

>>151680615
That's why they're planning on cutting out 2/5 of extended.

>>151677945
Wear the reflect amulet with Qiosm and Ydopikwu, that should last you until depths

>>151682067
"A user mod solves it" doesn't mean that the unlock bullshit isn't a legitimate complaint against ToME4.
The only reason to play that game is for the weird dumb race/class combos and all of those are locked off when you start.
Seriously bad design.

>>151682331
Nigga i'm already in depths. You late to the party.

Haven't been here in a couple months, anything update/new?

>>151682067
I'm already using it and having fun. But that other anon seems to agree with locking people out of content for whatever reason.

>>151682465
We tome4 now.

>>151682435
Fuck you abandon qaz and go chei you double spriggan

>>151681781

SB is what you use for stabbing then swapping because it's shit. Quickblades/Rapiers are what you use for fighting because they're superior

>>151682563
Fuck you i'm making V:5 a disaster area.

>>151682385
>"A user mod solves it" doesn't mean that the unlock bullshit isn't a legitimate complaint against ToME4.
Yes, it does.

When the problem that you are working yourself into a frenzy about already has an ingame solution that takes less time to activate than writing a post on 4chan, it's a complete nonissue.

>>151682513
Looks like it's still /dcss/ anon

>>151682784
>ingame solution

A user mod isn't technically ingame.

>>151682735
But rapiers are better stabbing weapons than shortswords

>>151678205
imo it's fine that doubles are better than greatswords, but the problem is that greatswords are complete ass

>>151682910
Just branch tome nigga.

>>151682784
he's not saying "i can't play tome because ___"

he's saying "darkgod is dumb and bad at make game because ____"

there's a difference between criticizing something and begging for a solution

>>151682910
Clearly you've never played ToME.

Their mod database is fully integrated within the game client.

>>151683238
You still have to download it, don't ya?

>>151682913

Daggers. Not short swords

>>151683323
You have to click a button within the game client to download each mod, sure. But if you're trying to make some pedantic point about the code not already being automagically downloaded at install time, while conveniently ignoring the fact that it's all setup to be done with a one button press from within the client that doesn't ever involve restarting the client, then there isn't much discussion to be had here.

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>>151681925
>>151682735
My point is that SB has SOME upside vs. QB. I know that QB are almost always better than them, but atleast it has some stat that seperates it from QB. It isn't just "strictly worse QB in all ways" like greatsword is to 2sword.

>>151682885
I dunno man. I started playing and asking about it and now some other anons are checking it out. Hopefully it balloons more because tome4 is a fun game and I'd love to have a more solid base of advice to draw from.

>>151683593
If the mod file isn't included in the base game, you can hardly say the solution is ingame, can you? It's more like you can find the solution ingame.

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Alright, i've been playing this on and off for a while now, and i have to say that Zin is pretty fun if you can rush invo. Incredible panic buttons and a great buff/AoE damage ability.
Now i don't know what to do, should i switch to TSO right before tomb for free rN+++? I don't need his branding because i also have a +9 holy Gmace, but i don't know which god is better for hell+pan
Anything wrong with my skilling? Should i get armor or maces up to 27?

>>151683701
minmay pls go

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i was ready to abandon trog the second i found a book with statue form, but it never came, so fuck it

>>151682385
It's alright, shitters never get good at anything because they can't be bothered to stick to something for any significant amount of time to get good at it whether it be a video game or otherwise. Instead of spending your time complaining about a game why don't you actually just do something you enjoy and actually stick to it.

I swear if you say working towards something for a reward is bad design you're going to hate the rest of your supposed adult life.

>>151683748
>rC+++++
bruh

>>151683675
tome's main problem is that it's repetitive as fuck, all places are the same, same size only thing that changes is how the rectangle houses are placed inside.

>>151683675
Are the starter classes and races just plain shit or is there a secret area that can be used to grind at level 4 or so which isn't infested with hidden level 35+ spawns that run faster than you and can kill you from any range?

>>151683867
Hey, it's cold in the dungeon
>>151683831
Grats man, you got everything except pan and hell right?

>>151683924
I agree. The beginning parts of the game are pretty dull, and the dungeon generation could really use some work. But I think the core gameplay is pretty cool and unique. I'm just about to enter Daikara, so shit is about to start picking up. Have you tried the orc campaign? It actually cuts down on a ton of tedium that the main quest has.

>>151681870
Life uh... finds a way.

>>151683675
>maud
>a paladin
NANIIIII?

>>151682385
>unlock bullshit isn't a legitimate complaint against ToME4
Correct.
>The only reason to play that game is for the weird dumb race/class combos
Wrong. That's PCB.
>Seriously bad design.
Wrong.

I like unlocking things, and it's a completely reasonable design decision to lock more complex classes like timefags behind achievements so that new players are more prepared for it.

The only locks I have a problem with are the skill categories. The fire magic category is especially bad because it's a simple, obvious spell school that's locked behind the mother of all grinding achievements.

>>151681870
Also we don't know how much time a turn is. I guess it can't be that long though, unless it takes a few weeks to fight an orc or something.

>>151684270
4 base ones, abyss and 3 pan
coudlnt be arsed with hell
i approached womb, but getting blasted to 15% hp just stepping down the stairs was really demoralizing

>>151683831
133k turns

>>151684278
>I think the core gameplay is pretty cool and unique
Seconding this.

ToME's ability interactions are pretty neat. A lot of them boil down to "AoE damage with a different skinned manabar", or "elemental damage beam with a status effect", but some of them manage to be pretty unique by roguelike standards.

That class that splits the timeline? Pretty interesting. That blackhole ability that drags everything to its center? You don't see that done often in this genre.

>>151684573
Honestly, i feel that DCSS turns are longer than most other RL/TTRPG turns. While most other games treat a turn as about 6 seconds, DCSS starts making a lot more sense if you treat an AUT as six seconds instead of a full turn

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Vaults 5 wasn't too bad.

>>151684694
you got a problem buddy?

>>151684259
I don't really remember what the starters are, but I think you get bulwarks, berserks, archers and alchemists, along with the elves, halfings, humans and dwarves. They're all pretty good. Its just that those classes are pretty dull, and you'll probably splat a lot with them without unlocking stuff.

>>151684991
>That class that splits the timeline?
Literally savestates: the class. Which funnily enough makes ToME4 not a roguelike if you play with those abilities.

>That blackhole ability that drags everything to its center?
Singularity and Gell's Gravitas in Crawl

>>151685242
>Singularity and Gell's Gravitas in Crawl
Literally years behind ToME

About to try out ToME. Do I start with normal difficulty or can I skip straight to nightmare?
Roguelike-mode of course.

Does anyone have the gif of the berserker in DCSS who did extended and then gathered up all the books he found and shaped them into a swastika before burning them?

>>151685470
Normal

>>151685037
C:DDA has to have the most nonsensical time system of all roguelikes.

Seasons pass in fourteen days, days still take 24 hours, and it takes over a minute to cross the street.

>>151685470
everything above normal is not balanced in the slightest and just for powergayming
something walks into view and one shots you kind of powergaming

>>151685242
Which reminds me, can gell's suck enemies inside your fire clouds?
>>151685470
Normal.

>>151685470
normal and nightmare has small difficulty jump ONCE you know what the fuck you doing.

After that it's just masochism, with the highest one being basically MuMo's meanier brother on anything under tier A class/race combo (if you win roguelike rogue ghoul with no addons on madness you'll be /rlg/ true hero)

Will the monsters you summon with Lugonu's corrupt ability turn hostile

>>151685242
You can still die with the savestates. The game still ends with your save being deleted and you starting all over. I don't see DCSS using paradox as a resource, where lower paradox means safer spells but higher paradox means the time line gets fucked and wacky shit starts happening. Being able to set a contigency plan is super fucking neat too.

>>151685470
Normal. Make sure to get the class unlock mod.

>>151685470

>>151685470
Nightmare is a pretty relaxing middle ground difficulty.

Just don't open vaults.

>>151685572
>>151685690
Normal is cakewalk easy and if you anons are playing on normal I can see why you're complaining about the tier 1 dungeons.

>>151685583
You can definitely change seasons to realistic lengths. Most of the seasoned players on the forums do, or at least they used to back when I played that game.

Only problem is most characters don't make it that long, either because they die or more likely because the game has become stale long before you finish an entire season worth of days.

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>>151685242
>DCSS turbocucks trying to shit on tome4

>>151685871
Not all of us know we're doing.

I'm bad and I play tons o addons which tend to be Up as fuck.

>>151685854
they're neutral not friendly, so they will still attack you if you're in there way and they can't path around you

>>151686096
Now now, who is this tum?

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>>151686248
>he hasn't watched the second greatest love story ever told

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>>151686413
I know, but I still felt obliged to ask for the sake of shitposting.

>>151683748
pls respond

>>151686859
fuck off DCuckSShitter

>>151686917
Please don't bully the DCucks that aren't rudeposting.

Regards

>>151686917

TOME is not a roguelike, kindly proceed to /v/

>>151683748
>being a hill orc
>betraying your own people to worship Zin instead of Based Beogh
shameful
>>151686096
I cant get into tome4 because it isnt ascii desu
>>151686917
Mad Cuck: Deep Dicking (in) Ass
player detected.

>>151683748
>>151686859
TSO is the standard hellpantomb god, but zin is just as good. Recite and sanctuary are pretty great.

Disclaimer: I haven't played extended with a good god in many versions so if they nerfed Zin or something since oldcrawl then idk

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>>151687294
>I cant get into tome4 because it isnt ascii desu

nice bait desu familia

>>151687294
Orcs are the only non-gimmick race with a +3 invo apt, and beogh is just a poor man's fedhas
>>151687309
Does reciting count as an attack? Because if so i can just recite the shit out of T:3

>>151687642
I'm fucking serious man. call it autism or whatever, but I can't play tiles, they kind of ruin it for me

>>151687728
But it has an ascii mode

>>151687728
tome4 has tiles that are ascii. Go look it up.

Okay, so you know how in Crawl if you go into say a jewelry shop, you can see rings you haven't identified? Can you ID rings yourself just by looking at the sprite, or does it not match up?

>>151688265

you need to buy them

>>151688017
>>151687865
Thanks loves. now I might be able to get into it

>>151688017
>tiles that are ascii
What, fancy drawings of @'s?
Has science gone too far?

>>151688597
>ToME4
Science has gone way past too far.

>>151688597
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1zQyC6GZIo

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This is a nice vault, too bad i'm not using crossbows

>>151688265
>Can you ID rings yourself just by looking at the sprite, or does it not match up?

The sprites are randomized. Bypassing things with nethack style identification doesn't work in DCSS, for the most part. There are a couple of exceptions like certain scrolls and potions having a higher chance to spawn on early floors, but even that is often a crapshoot that ends with you quaffing degen or something.

>>151689053
Don't even remind me

>>151689081
if thats a sniper, start leveling crossbows

>>151689053
pretty neat desu

>>151689053
This is maybe the worst thing i've seen all day

>>151689316
It is, but that's kinda too late since i just remembered this vault while passing through, i'm about to head into extended and i need the exp for other stuff

How do I beat DCSS? Do I need to just play a boring class like Gargoyle/Minotaur Berserker? I find melee classes so boring.

>>151689824
Go down to Zot 5 after getting at least 3 runes, get the Orb, and leave the dungeon via the D:1 up stair.

>>151689053
the fuck is this shit

>>151688597
you're a regular @ fighting hordes of o's but all the fancy particle effects and fireball graphics and health bars still sow up

Could I go Zigging with Qazloud?

>>151690067
Thanks, I always thought I had to explore every square inch of the dungeon to win

>>151689824
Edit your rcfile to force_more_message when dangerous things are happening. MarvinPA's rcfile is one that a lot of people use.

http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/MarvinPA.rc

Go there and ctrl+f 'more' to see some examples of things that greatplayers consider important enough to pause the game when they happen.

Edit your rcfile to increase your hp_warning to something like 60% or 65%.

Once you've done those things, just play slowly and pay attention whenever a situation looks even a little bit dangerous.

At first, you might rely on the HP warning to tell you "hey, this is bad, I should use an escape scroll or potion." Later, you'll eventually git gud enough that you can recognize dangerous situations before they become deadly, and when that happens you'll also realize that you can simply walk away from most threats, as long as you recognize them as threats while they're still at the edge of your view distance.

>>151689824
Go Yred + polearms, that's the most simple and relatively fun way to get a win, and contrary to the popular belief, might be easier than even MiBe.
Bone Dragons/Profane Servitors as well as your other friends will carry you all the way to Zot 4-5, and they become extra diesel once buffed by your enslaved deep troll shaman.
Alternatively, you can dive Elf for a bit and get yourself an elf demonologist that will summon you executioners, cacos and hellions in a bulk.

>>151689824
yes minotaur berserker is the easiest win

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i love doing this even if its a waste of turns and food

>>151689053
Holy shit can we uprade every roguelike to look like this?

>>151691212
Glad you're not a speedrunner

>>151691212

That strat is actually useful in Dis:7 where you can pop up your regen spell while that filthy Iron Giant tries to open the door

>>151691475
it's not a roguelike though; it's a real-time 3d action game

>>151691761
i mean it's useful anywhere if you're low hp and you can use it to buy time to regen

Should I still be cautious of an ice statue if I have rC+++?

>>151692762
Not unless you have 50 health or something

>>151692762
not really

you can see their spells, it's just fcloud and ice beasts (maybe bold of cold too?)

>>151692874
Yeah it had bolt of cold. I'm so used to not fucking with any kind of statue that I didn't have any sort of mental gauge as to how dangerous it was.

Is a volcano doable with just rF+?

>>151693269
Yes

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Must be tradition; I get back to rlg and immediately splat
But please explain how, with 16 evo, a spider sack failed to produce anything seven times in a row
And fuck you zin that other ice beast stepped on the flame cloud by itself

>>151693040
ice statues are still very fuckable with less resist
because, well, they're statues

assuming you have some ranged attack you an abuse their 0regen to plink at them to death in ice caves and just walk away whenever you need to press 5

>>151693372
>tfw didn't find it in time and no mapping

>>151693269
volcano can be potentially doable with no resist depending on which one it is

they're generally weaker than ice caves

>>151693394
>big A with pain
hope you had rN

>>151693394
>OWN
>FAULT

>>151693394

Because Evocations is bloat and you shouldn't waste exp on it

>>151693394
isn't antaeus speed 10 and melee-only?

>>151694979

He has a bolt of cold and a lightning bolt I think. His melee just hit the hardest

>>151693924
No because i wanted to stay with zin
>>151694090
:^)
>>151694159
I thought evo was overpowered and broken and that it should be removed or nerfed to fuck
>>151694979
He's speed 10 but has a 3d25 lightning bolt and a 3d29 cold bolt that ignores EV and freezes, but his melee game is ridicolous. Hits just slightly less than a juggernaut, but the +7 pain lajatang gave him just too much damage output. If Zin didn't drop the stat boost i would've had enough defenses to avoid or tank at least some of the damage
Still, i could've probably landed a curare on him

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>beat dungeon of the endless one (1) time
>zero (0) reason to replay because there is no meaningful variation between playthroughs
>money pissed into the wind
I am own fault.

>>151696556
>playing games that aren't roguelikes
i think i can see what the problem is anon

>>151696706
that is why I am fault
I should have known better

I found a manual of transmutations and a crystal plate armor of the archmagi. I'm HuFi of Oka... on the other hand I got a pearl dragon armor. I might be onto something but I don't know what to do

>>151697157
also I found a staff of energy. I got 24 of str

>>151697157
Ignore the manual, wear the crystal plate (and not for the archmagi). Or the PDA if you think it looks cooler or whatever, not like it matters which OP armor you wear.

>>151697402
Good, you can pick yak chunks out of your teeth with it.

>>151697157
transmutations are not very useful for your character (they need high unarmed), except maybe lichform

train spells based on whether you find good spells. going for conjuratons and shit on a character who already has another way to do damage is silly, but getting things like haste/dmsl/blink is great

note that most of the spells a hufi^oka would want don't really care about archmagi or staff of energy

Why does everything in the dungeon get along with each other and why do they all want to kill you?

>>151697868
Uh... the lords of pandemonium did it.

>>151697868
the great wizard ZOT did it

>>151697868
I remember a while back an anon said something along the lines of,

Your character must have done something awful, textbook CRIMINAL and ended up pissing off every single sentient/nonsentient being in the dungeon as a result

>>151697868
That orb ain't just for show, lad. It exerts some kind of influence over the denizens of the dungeon, as a defense mechanism.

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>>151697768
>>151697818
that sucks

well, so which armor should I wear? by reading the wiki it seems armor skill is no longer important for encumbrance, only str. on the other hand this neg res sounds pretty awesome, and I can be stealthy too I guess. and I got a stealth mutation too.

>>151698460
...does this mean the monsters are all mind-controlled, and you're doing a favor to the ones you don't viciously slaughter?

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>>151698630
here is my lil nigga
should I train throwing or evocations tho?

>>151698630
>unlabeled axes

>>151698630
> by reading the wiki it seems armor skill is no longer important for encumbrance
Wait, what?

>>151698460
Then why would you want to get it outside?

>>151698630
rN+ doesn't matter until you're doing panhelltomb

just wear the armor with better AC+EV unless you have some great spells like haste/dmsl/cblink or some shit (in which case you need to make sure to wear an armor that doesn't stop you from casting them)

>>151698460
Then why is the player immune?

>>151698840
You joined Pakellas, so it's very advisable to get a decent amount of Evo.

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>>151693394

>all that AC and hp and you're still dead

>>151698926
Because you have heroic willpower, or you trained to resist the ORB, or it just takes too long to exert influence over newcomers and the dungeon inhabitants are affected because they didn't know about the ORB until it was too late..

if you wait 200 million turns you get

>Outside, the world ends.
>Sorry, but your quest for the Orb is now rather pointless.
>You quit...

So obviously the player is on a quest for the orb because he wants to use its power to DESTROY THE WORLD. The denizens of the dungeon must unite against him for the sake of their own existence.

The gods are cool with you destroying the world because the live outside it anyways, and anything that actually helps you on your quest is either magically bound to your will or bound to your god's will.

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>>151698840
>>151699064

oops wrong nigga

>>151698852
f(x) = EV
x = str
while wearing armor

Zigging with Sif Muna isn't pleasant experience, I should've worshipped Vehumet.

>>151699245
>heroic willpower
>trained
the player literally has problems with bats and rats
he is a fucking peasant

>>151699520

Sif is bloat and should be removed

>>151699461
>f(x) = EV
>x = str
>while wearing armor
nvm
i have no fucking idea what it is
here is the link
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Encumbrance_rating

>>151699647
The main character is very good at resisting the bats and rats' efforts to exert mind control over him, which is why they bite him instead.

Also, if you're dying to D:1 bats and rats you need to step up your game.

>>151698889
Because it's powerful.

>>151698926
Probably the same reason that the player can walk into the dungeon as a nearly naked piece of shit and come out a genocidal demonslaying one-man army. Destiny or plot armor or divine protection or an immense store of willpower.

Or maybe the inhabitants of the dungeon are guarding the orb because the dungeon - their home - will collapse without it, or you're actually a super evil villain and they're trying to stop you from taking the orb to go do super evil villain things.

You retrieve the orb because xom wants you to
Yes even if you aren't a CK

>>151699520
Sif is worthless

>>151699647
No combo has problems with rats. And dungeon animals are implied to be more dangerous than normal ones

>>151699838
Even if you worship elyvilon, god of smiles and hugs?

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>>151685583
Lots of games have foreshortened time and distance. Skyrim has a day-night cycle that lasts like half an hour and fits what's supposed to be an entire country in an area smaller than Manhattan.

>>151700035
>god of smiles and hugs
>no longer rewards you for nonviolence
Ely was compromised.

>>151700025
I've heard of felids dying to rats. Granted I imagine dungeon rats are the size of a small dog

>>151700112
C:DDA time system is genuinely flawed because the current devs cling to a polite fiction that one turn really does represent six seconds, and selectively speed up certain actions (notably shooting) to compensate while letting others remain slow (notably moving).

>>151700581
That's a separate complaint.
But, yeah, turns should never be assigned an exact value of time or it results in stupidity or autism. 3.5e D&D is a good example.

>>151699164
YOU JERK

>>151699520
Actually nuSif sounds actually decent in zigs now, since you don't need to spend multiple turns to regen mana. She removes most of the danger out of spider floors since you can still cast without MP

>>151701808
Yeah but you get -cast, so she's still useless

>>151701919
being at 0 MP also prevents you from casting anon

are large shields worth it in normal sized races?

>>151702387

By the time you'll start having trouble on Spider floors, you've already maxed all your skills. 0 Mana on a Deep Elf won't be a problem (as long as you worship Vehumet and not a certain bloat god) since you can just wield an exec axe, puff invi, kill dumb spidies to get mana, cast Firestorm on silly bloat moths, reach 0 mana rinse and repeat.

>>151702938
>vehumet in zigs
what
but why

>>151703153
infinite mana + longer range

>>151703153

better go Makhleb amirite

disgusting skrub stay away from me

>>151703421
Makhleb is only for megazigging. For the first couple zigs you're better served with Vehumet or nuSif as a caster

>>151703589
>as a caster
can anyone even megazig as a non caster?

>>151703589

>nuBloat

enjoy your splat

>>151703654
Probably not, conjuration spells offer a ton of DPS. But I meant more that early in your zigging career your character could be melee or ranged physical focused, and in that case better conjurations aren't doing anything for you.

so I decided to finally give tome a try and it turned out to be even worse than pcb and cdda which actually impressed me a little considering how popular it is

>>151706358
It's bad but that doesn't really hold water. It doesn't even resemble either of those games in gameplay or amount of grind required

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>>151701360

I'm not a jerk, I'm an Octopus

how do I kill mara

>>151706823
e'v'oke the nearest staircase

>>151706823
GET OUT

>>151706675
>it's bad
>but that doesn't matter
what

>tfw splatted

>>151708350
What doesn't hold water is the comparison to cdda/PCB

>>151708205
>>151707030
I just killed it

>go up when there are too many summons
>wait
>go back
>hero
>steel javelin on his face

>>151706358
>t. devdrone

>>151708440
all three have overworlds
same fucking shit

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Step aside, pudding.

This is probably the highest morale booster (there's other items with the same, but they don't get eaten hot) short of heroin.

>>151708683
this fucking game

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>>151708683

>>151708683
>shot my friend to death -50
>haven't done laundry yet -100
>ate a fuckin poptart +200

sure is a well-fucking-made morale system

>>151709191
lighten up, lad
the silliness is part of dda's charm

not everything wants to be le epin e-sport

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Finally got an Octopeepee win. How does one play a Felid?

>>151708469
It was never about killing it or not killing it anon

It was about the likely cost/reward making it not worth engaging

You can facetank everything in Crawl if you quaff potions first, but some stuff is dangerous enough that the likely cost outweighs the relatively minimal XP and item drops, you feel?

>>151709191
morale should only reward you for exploring and doing dangerous dungeony stuff like destroying fungus/triffid locations

idk if negative morale should even exist

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okawaru confirmed for best god
should I start upgrading stealth though?

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>>151709689
here are my skills

>>151709689
excess stealth is kind of annoying to have outside of abyss and zot:5, unless you're playing a short blades stabber

>>151709389
nice scum

>>151709687
>reward you for exploring and doing dangerous dungeony stuff like destroying fungus/triffid location
That's what loot is for. Morale is mood.

Actually, a small, permanent morale bonus for clearing "dungeons" could be pretty neat.

You can still get depressed from fucked up shit, but overall you become happier as the corruption is rooted out.

>>151709804
btw, should I start trainning evocations? I'm starting to get tons of nice stuff. on the other hand, I'm almost going to the vaults and plan to switch to tso or zin so... invocations maybe?

>>151709689

Stealth is bloat.

>>151709387
desu i was mostly complaining about laundry again
what the fuck granade

>>151709919
"Morale is for mood" is a circular definition, it doesn't mean anything. And morale shouldn't be for food bloat.

>>151709839
>15 throwing
he has no reason not to be tossing stones at everything while he waits for it to close to melee anyways, and the only downside of too much stealth is "you have to throw stones at shit at the edge of your LOS to make it follow you to your killhole"

>>151711249
Why don't you become a dev then, with all those hot onions of yours?

>>151711128
T B H (to be desu) I think the laundry thing is good they just need to tweak the numbers so that it isn't mandatory.

>>151711342
i don't have to work in parliament to think my MP sucks

>>151711391
desu tbqh desu desu i haven't actually played cdda since before that was added and i probably won't pick it up again

>>151711480
yes you do
otherwise you're just an idea guy

>>151712875
have you considered that I don't owe you shit?

>>151713202
You do owe me fucker
Now fuck off and get to work

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Finally I feel like a good player chucking sand at Death Yaks over lava.

>>151711270

>throwing stones to attract

Or you could just press tt to nyaa?

>>151711270
>the only downside of too much stealth is "you have to throw stones at shit at the edge of your LOS to make it follow you to your killhole"
"The game becomes more annoying to play" is a pretty severe downside.

>>151713546
>sandblast
>lair:3
does not compute

>>151714343
Does about the same damage as a Stone Arrow for only one mana.
Against only one opponent with huge health it seemed like the most efficient way to pelt it.

>>151714343

Didn't know /rlg/ was this ignorant.

>>151713546
Start using that buckler desu

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>>151715470
Shields are for shitters.
I found the Book of Power, defence is for nerds.

>>151715592

>defence is for nerds
>uses a dumb gargoyle

>>151709839
>excess stealth is kind of annoying to have outside of abyss and zot:5
furious tabber detected

>>151715284
Seems to me it would be more effective to have already hybridized by halfway through lair. But then again, I don't make a habit of relying on spellcasting for damage.

>>151715763
That's just because I'm a baddie.
Also now I found the book of Annihilations too so defence is even more useless.
Can't wait to have Mara clone me and have myself shove a LCS up my own ass again.
Also I'm just joking of course, I'm training dodging, fighting and shields soon diligently.

>>151715871

Hybridized what exactly? Let's see if that thing you've hybridized is worth against both a sandblast's damage and utility by Lair:4 or 5.

>>151715871
Well you should at least know that Sandblast is the best level 1 damage spell in the game by a large margin.

>>151716130
>what exactly
dodging, fighting, weaponskill, evo or invo or possibly ranged skill depending on the character, you know, the usual to come online for branches instead of mucking about trying to be a MASTERBLASTER

>>151716463
Dodging and fighting aren't hybrid skills, they're basically mandatory unless your the vitriolic glass cannon poster. Or that ballsy AF squid that just won.

>>151715284
rlg showed its ignorance about many different topics in the past
latest not connected to roguelikes was alcoholism

>>151716604
>Dodging and fighting aren't hybrid skills
You would think that goes without saying, and yet that anon that posted the pic is sporting 12 EV by lair:3 while rocking sandblast as their apparently best form of offense.

Hence the disbelief.

>>151716737
22 AC goes a long way, unsurprisingly.