/rlg/ - Roguelike General

1st for chei

Can someone tell me the secrets of getting a character going in ToME? I always get fucked over by random mobs that are faster and several times more diesel than me. Maybe recommend a particularly spicy build? Yes I cheated and unlocked all the races/classes, because fuck not having options. I enjoyed the ghoul corruptor experience but then I met a nasty looking elven knight with 500 hp and Phase Door'd right in front of him when I tried to evoke Feet.

>>151296401
Skeleton Brawler

Skeltal is best race

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>Uskawaw

>>151296401
>cheating in roguelike
>2016

Strong (read : broken) class in Tome :
Archmage
Temporal Warden
Archer

Anything with ranged attack

God fucking damn it I keep forgetting about elbereth and keep splatting on big room

I am such a fucking shitter please someone shoot me.

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I'm feeling lucky tonight.
Took like 2 steps.

>>151296941
Awoo!

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>>151296693
Lettsu do ziss!
I know this is a retarded question, but are brawlers allowed to use weapons?

>>151298627
No. Cursed are even more diesel, and they can use Mindstars, which are so diesel that there's a class whose only job is using Mindstars.

Did Josephine's ghostly fireball always cause draining?

>>151298243
delete this

>>151297318
>not wanting to play with all the classes right off the bat
??
how is that cheating

>>151298243
Don't ever reply to me or my son again if you're not going to contribute to the thread.

>>151299931
Anon. The posters who claim anything is ruined by forgoing ToME4's shitty unlock system are not people. Don't give them replies.

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Can I make jelly donuts in Cataclysm DDA?

>>151300554
Fuck you 4KidsTV

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Will Str+8 offset the Slay-3?

>12x .40 JHP's into a foose
>It's still running into me a full speed

I don't care if it's undead because its brain is literally pulp now from the hydrostatic shock.

>Bored and create centaur hunter
>not taking it serious, just shooting and tabbing without paying attention
>realize i have 9 scrolls of ID
>ID all my potions
>3 fucking scrolls of exp
What is the optimal way to spend these?

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D:4 troll is probably among the nastiest OoD spawns I can imagine

>>151303074
Wow that's pretty fucked. Hopefully temple isn't on D:4
>>151302928
I'm thinking of dumping all of the exp into invocations and going Sif muna. is that a good plan?

>>151302928
Is your bow at mindelay? If yes, probably Dodging

>>151302157
Dont think so

>>151302928
Bows to 20.
Dodging, Fighting, and Armour.

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>>151303394
Nah, I'm only on D:4 or so.

>>151303524
alright, it is done. Now I have to take this character seriously

Is there some way to view my wounds or a combat log to tell if I was bit?

>>151304071
As long as you're not infected it shouldn't matter. DDA, right?

>>151304232
Doesn't biting transmit the infection? I'm not sure if it just hit me or if it bit me. Yes, it's DDA.

>>151304439
It can, but not always. I'm not gonna spoil it too much for you, but Cataclysm DDA zombies aren't traditional ones. A bite can get infected, but not the kind of infection that turns you into a zombie, it's just a normal wound infection. Check your character screen and it'll tell you if you've been infected

>>151303074
OoD spawns are ALWAYS turncount related
Stop wasting time

Is it worth it to get statue form on a VpMo?

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Well, where do I go now with this amazing character? Choices are: Swamp, Snake and Elf. I'm honestly thinking about diving Elf while giggling like an idiot.

>>151302157
It should be about even according to learndb.

>>151305127
>stop healing lmao
>stop looking for loot when you're naked lmao
Also I don't feel like this is true anyway, at least not exclusively. [citation needed] etc.

>>151305905
You don't have to explore everything and heal to full every monster unless you are playing something really bad or a spellcaster.

>>151305127
>wasting time
Anon
This is literally the stupidest thing you could have said about that screenshot
It's less than 500 turns at fucking D:4

>>151306025
Enjoy being basilisk'd at 10% HP and killed right there. Also enjoy being naked at D:13.

>>151306272
This also means you give BadAdvice™ by the way

Your mom is probably fat too

>>151306284
>>151305845
This is my character, I'm fine so far, thanks, and that's with a really bad luck for drops. You really don't need to explore everything. I've had recently one character played the same way, who at this point had all the resistances needed for extended except rCorr for Slime.

>>151307412
>I once had one in a billion chance therefore every run is like that

>>151294850
I don't know man, Elona is such a long game that inferno doesn't make it seem worth. Especially with how time consuming the grinding is.

>>151305060
>Cataclysm DDA zombies aren't traditional ones
Y-yeah, for sure.
>parks are filled with children
>town has god strong zeds
>only way to really fight is one zed at a time
I don't even know how people do it, but I just skirt the towns now since I can't even outrun them.

>>151305060
>but not the kind of infection that turns you into a zombie
u mother fukken WOT m9

>>151302928
>3 fucking scrolls of exp
>scroll of exp
>scroll
>of exp
>ID all my potions
>ID scroll
>of exp
>scroll of acquire experience
I'm fucking sorry?

>>151307819
Look here, I'll give you an example for ogres.
Maces and flails are very common, so you're guaranteed to find one to use early on. For your *endgame* weapon you need to kill an ogre or a hill giant, unless you're playing to use a shield. For an armor, you have to kill a troll or two, then switch (or not) to whatever dragon armor in Vaults or Depths. Rings are found in shops, so visit Orc:2, also even with limited exploration you'll find some - in that screen I found five, except three were bad (negative mods etc.) and one is situational (fire). Often you'll find more and you'll have a better luck than me with shops.

If you're playing other species, it's hard to not find a normal plate or at least chain mail, not to mention a ring mail for hybrid chars. Wights often have decent weapons on them, as do orc warriors or knights if you can fight those.

What full exploration gives you is much more consumables but if you play smart, you usually won't use even a half of them. How often did you finish the game with 30 remove curse, 25 curing, 10 fear and so on?

Also try to watch speedrunners some time, it will teach you how little you sometimes need to have to do certain loot stashes like Elf or rune branches.

>>151308841
>I've never played the game but I'm an expert on the topic
huh... really made me think...

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>dem gauntlets
ORA
SOON

>>151308841
>Also try to watch speedrunners some time, it will teach you how little you sometimes need to have to do certain loot stashes like Elf or rune branches.
But 4tharra only gets that far like every 2days

How exactly is chei bad when he completely elimates "being out of position" by either beating the shit out of everything effortlessly or using his insane escape?

>>151309929
Because if you get unlucky, miscalculate or hit the wrong key, you splat. Chei is pretty strong, and I'd say he's relatively stronger than other gods, but he does have his downsides.

>>151309929
mid-late game, most enemies have ranged attacks

>>151310113
ab
Or just walk towards them with your above 30EV and RMsl

>>151309929
>he completely elimates "being out of position"
He doesn't. That's by design the whole point
>by either beating the shit out of everything effortlessly
You can mostly already do this without Chei. Things that are still a threat with Chei are mostly the ones you could walk away from if you hadn't picked the god of not-walking-away-ever
>using his insane escape
Which costs an absolute crapton of piety

>>151310248
if you ab for every enemy, you'll run out of piety

For fucks sake, will does Oka actually give weapon/armor gifts? If he gives me fucking arrows one more time I'm gonna freak

>>151310291
10 piety is fucking nothing especially with cheis piety gain
Look at Self banish or sanctuary for high pietry abilities

So is Nemelex still overpowered?

>>151310514
It is an absolute crapton when compared to the free ability of pressing a direction key until you reach the stairs

Cheis strongest ability is his slow

>pick otaku with stylish trait
Apparently my cat cosplay stuff levitates around, since it covers no body parts and thus doesn't give stylish morale.

>>151313504
What game?

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They just don't make ruks like they used to

>>151313747
DDA

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>lair entrance is on a gigantic eel pond
I'd have settled for a D:11 Lair to be honest

>Go HEHu of Stando God
>pick warrior and name it Gimli for wacky bros adventures
>get Bows to 20
>pop !adq and ask for a weapon, hoping for a nice longbow
>+1 shortbow of flaming
>fuggggggg
>get another !adq
>try my luck again with weapon because I really want a longbow
>+4 Triple Sword of Holy Wrath

Guess I'm contractually obligated to do extended now.

>>151300553
Yes they are dogs or maybe cats. No human would agree with abiding by the unlock system

>>151316336
Does ranged combat work well with stands?

>>151317043
The fucking midget keeps blocking my line of shots every now and then, but otherwise it keeps packs at bay for me to pelt them from far away.
It's pretty alright.

>>151307828
the dicks man beat inferno mode as a horse in like 10 hours or something

>>151317331
Actually, once I get PProjectile, I'll be able to bypass that shit, so it's even better than I thought.

>>151313934
>surviving as an otaku
Not gonna make it

>>151308841
>watch speedrunners some time
Literally don't do this if you want to get good at winning crawl. And you're still asking /rlg/ for help with your games and yet you're trying to give advice to others. Come on man

>>151317813
It's actually not a bad start theoretically. If there was some sort of OUT_OF_SHAPE tag for characters, then it would be worlds of difference worse compared to different starts.

>>151318171
There's a 25% lower stamina trait. I'm not sure how much difference it makes, though.

Also a move speed penalty one.

>>151318329
That exists, but I don't think Otaku is forced to use those traits like how Churl is forced to take illiterate for example.

Is there a certain range of view for mobs in DDA to see you and follow you? I can't seem to understand it, but it seems like they sometimes do and sometimes don't.

>>151317360
For what definition of beat and using which exploits?

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I played with fire shadow pedestal and got burned it summoned a unique I couldn't quite punch through.
Rest in piss.

>>151318761
Weather, sound, and scent affect the chances of pursuit.

If you take a step over a shrub as you get close for example you will make more noise than usual.

I'm not entirely sure how scent works, but it seems like certain monsters follow tiles where you were rather than chasing you as if they can see you. This is definitely the case for certain giant ants.

>>151318913
He beat the final storyline boss of the first continent.I actually don't know how long it took him but people say he didn't grind at all. I don't know what exploits if any he used

>>151317510
Yeah PP is pretty much obligatory for ranged, but one of the biggest strengths of stands is the ability to put the enemy's back row right next to you. It doesn't seem like there's any way for you to benefit from that.

Why do we keep playing crawl instead of tome4 again?

>>151319227
Now that I have a +4 Triple Sword of Holy Wrath, it might be useful later.
Also, remember that ability can help you to get them near you or far out from you.

>>151318761
You can tell if something in the distance has spotted you because the compass direction will go from white to red.

>>151319150
Ants are nearly blind, I think, so they track by smell by default.

>>151319309
Nobody's holding you to play whatever you want, anon.

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Hep is way much better than Qazloud.

>>151319150
That's some insightful information. It's better than nothing, so thanks for that.

>>151319205
Zeom is pretty quick to beat, I bet someone could do him within 2 hours if they know what they're doing and pull all the tricks.
Elona has virtually 0 grind if you use at least a few exploits (by that I mean mechanics that are completely imba, such as the many ridiculously overpowered pets + charisma, bandit hunting, fountain spamming and adventurer stalking/tricking), but if you don't, there's no choice but to grind, and the grind is very long and tedious.

>>151317043
Yes, if you have Portal Projectile. No otherwise.

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>When you get the thing

>>151319765
Pity Elona's a dead game. I had a lot of fun with it, grindy or not.

Is pokemon sun and moon a roguelike?

>>151319309
Because Crawl has fun press-X-to-fuck-shit-up buttons and solid necromancy while ToME abilities are diablo-y and don't feel as satisfying to use.
Also ToME is ugly and doesn't have any memes.

>>151319886
Yeah, it has a shitload of content to play with (and abuse) and characters can be grown for a long time. I also really like the online features, such as they are. Too bad nobody will ever release the source for someone to develop a successor.

>>151320047
If you do a nuzlocke run sure

>>151320047
No, but pokemon mystery dungeon series are (shitty) roguelikes (assuming you delete your game on failure).

>>151319660
I think branch shortening, which was balanced by crowding the levels (instead of increasing the XP, which is what they should have done), nerfed Qazloud to the point that he's no longer powerful.

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>>151317850
Just winning Crawl gets too boring after winning every race and background, so I'm trying to have fun. I'd rather have that than grind the win percentage.

is resident evil outbreak: file 2 a roguelike?

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>>151319867
Sharnga and Arggha!

>>151320258
How would larger groups make qaz worse?

>>151320576
Only the PAL release.

>>151320948
>>151320169
>>151320246
thank you

>>151320712
Instead of getting mobbed by a few enemies, you get mobbed by a lot of enemies. At some point it costs more than what you're getting.

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Is masturbating a roguelike?

>>151321437
Only if you can go for an eight hour session ending with a deciliter level climax.

QUICK

What's the best roguelike with crafting?

is Heroes of Might and Magic III: The Restoration of Erathia with the Heroes of Might and Magic III: Armaggedon's Blade expansion a roguelike?

>>151321537
dorf fort

>>151320258
Qazlal attracts many enemies from nowhere, even if you don't use Disaster Area / Upheaval.
It's really bad when I'm in squishy stage (Troll without Dragon Armor).

When I'm in Zot with Qazlal, after I killed one group of enemies without Disaster Area, they keep coming after me non-stop.
This never happen when I use other god besides Qazlal.

Disaster Area is uncontrolled, and the controlled Upheaval is rather weak.

I'd rather have a hexer with me that will cast Mass Confusion or Paralyze dangerous enemies.

Once they're paralyzed / confused, you can count them as dead.

This trivializes early / mid / late game very quickly.

>>151321537
minecraft

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>>151321524
>tfw you never went past 2 hours

>>151321537
DDA

>>151322810
Not for long if Kevin keeps shitting up every single part of the game.

>>151322903
It's okay because we can pull the repo to make our own version. Said nobody ever

What is he doing again?

Why is the roguelike community so obsessed with open source?

>>151323757
Because developers can't be trusted

>>151297318
he only cheated at the metagame permanent unlock shit which is the most notaroguelike part of any game that has it

>>151323757
Do you unironically use wangblows?

>turn on computer
>the OS consumes half a gigabyte of RAM by existing
>slow boot time
>at least an hour of configuring and bloatware removal assuming you go in knowing exactly what to do to get rid of the stupid bullshit like superfetching
>consuming bandwidth to datamine your activities without your consent
>attempting to destroy Steam because Microsoft cannot do their jobs, so they just try to make Windows incompatible with Steam instead
trash

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Elf done, time for Vaults. I'm actually surprised I'm still alive, I expected to die in Snake. Also keeping TLA because I want to be a spellcasting ogre and die to the first warden band in Vaults.

>>151323757
'Roguelike' as a genre is based on a narrowminded ideology in which innovation is wrong. "Open source" is also ideology-driven and anti-innovation. So, it is natural that roguelike fans (and developers) support open source.

>>151324223
+1 nice shitpost

>>151303074
>speed 10 monster
>nasty as an OOD

treat it like a weak character treats early ogres and WALK AWAY

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>Devil's team removes rMut amulets
>go to Pan with 3 remove mut pots that spawned in the game so far
>still get end up with every malmutation in the goddamn game
>can't get out

>>151324178
Should also mention
>no opting out of patching in certain distributions of Wangblows
>downloading shit in the background without your consent to do the patching without your consent

>>151303074
I had a D:6 Invisible Stalker and Ugly Thing yesterday.
Luckily D:7 was regular.

>>151322903
>>151323360
Kevin just drops into good PRs and cockblocks them, does no development of his own, and never merges a good/accepted PR.

>>151324502
don't forget the popup ads for win10 that were installed as an update to the OS

>>151324573
>Invisible Stalker
wrong game anon

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>>151324949
You know what the fuck I mean.

>>151313504
things that don't cover body parts can definitely give stylish morale though

I remember maxing out the bonus by wearing 2 each of about 10 different kinds of rings and other jewelry

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>going through snake pits as a centaur
Toppest of leles. I don't know how these warriors expect anyone to take them serious when they cant even get within striking range.

>>151324413

good riddance for no brain playertabbers

>>151325392
That's what serpent guardians are there for, in theory. They should be a bit more common, Snake is often just a lot of kiting to killhole with no excitement.

>>151317360
Dicku beat everything up to the third continent on his horse, and it too him weeks.
We shall never see his like again.

>>151302157
+8 STR is +4% damage IIRC. Slay -3 is -1d3 from your total damage. You decide.

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How does this idea sound for a roguelike (for /agdg/'s lewd game jam)?

You play as a cute wolf girl who has to survive in the wilderness. The central mechanic is establishing and controlling your territory. The main way of establishing territory is marking trees by peeing on them. As your territory expands, you will come in conflict with other creatures, whom you will have to deal with.

Any suggestions as to what fetishes I could include and an end goal?

Is there something like webtiles for CDDA? I'm trying to just watch someone better than me play the game, but everyone I watch is somehow even stupider than I am despite everything.

>guy whining for a half an hour about zombies he could just sprint away from
>that dumb normie who tours every roguelike for like two episodes
>semi-good player stopped recording/playing the game, only ancient builds in his videos and all of them were less than one ingame week of time

>>151326085
if only there were actual damage numbers so i could know what 1d3 actually means to my overall damage

>>151326250
That's great, anon. You can name it Whizzardry 8.

>>151326250
going into heat and giving birth to some puppers

>>151326289
retard

>>151326250
kimochi warui

>>151296373
>rushing to claim 1st post
>for Chei
Do you even TAKE IT EASY?

>>151326439
i'm retarded for not constantly wizmode fightsimming or running formulas through a calculator every time i level something up?

>>151326391
>not whizzardry 12 for wolf -> zwelf

145th for Zin

>>151324178
>bitching about datamining
>using steam
lovin every laff

>>151326576
Inbred.

>>151326289

>actual damage numbers

If you do (1+2+3)/3= 2 average additional damage from slaying

>>151326260
roguenex.us hosts a variety of roguelikes, including C:DDA
It's linked in the OP. It's also pretty dead so you'll have to ask someone in the thread to play

>>151326664
>implying

>>151326664
Nice job construing my words, but I'm talking about it using my bandwidth, not spying on me (basically everything does anyway).

>Attempt to watch shitty movies ironically on Netflix
>Extreme connections issues
>Check my router
>Windows is just casually eating three quarters of my download rate to watch me watch Netflix

>>151326774
no, i mean in relation to my damage output before the slaying bonus. you don't need numbers to know what the 4% from strength is, because it's already relative as a percentage. but for -1d3 you need to know the damage to determine whether that's a serious detriment or not

>>151326085
+8 str is +8/39 of your weapon's base damage, and then it is still multiplied by the bonuses from fighting and weapon skill

if you had 10 str to start with it would be +20% to damage

>>151326250
i don't understand what's lewd about this or why there's gratuitous peeing involved

why can't you just make a nice game where you explore dungeons and then come home and woo your girlfriend?

yred > kiku
gomennasai > rustle
debate me

>>151327078
>you don't need numbers to know what the 4% from strength is
haha yes you do, because that part is still multiplied by bonuses from skills and brand

>>151327385
even more reason to just fucking tell me how much damage i'm hitting. why don't they just remove the turn counter for being bloat?

>>151327365
yred and kiku have completely different niches despite what the tards who try to do Necromancer^Yred think

also any god that gives you permanent allies who can permanently die in a game where you can't control your allies or fix their stupid AI is a bad god

>>151327452
even if crawl did display damage numbers you would barely be able to tell which one was better because the damage is so fucking randomized

>>151326260
Isn't "what junk you craft from the evac shelter" the most important bit of DDA knowledge anyway?

>>151327078

Idiot, that's the only thing relevant since slaying is applied last. There you have it, 2 whole average damage.

>>151326250
there are two wolfgirls in 2hu now, is the other one going to be a final boss or the girlfriend?

>>151327026
>Windows is just casually eating three quarters of my download rate to watch me watch Netflix
Is that the legit reason

>>151326391
Heh.
>>151326396
Sounds good. That's what I'll do.
>>151327314
Because I really want to make a roguelike where you can literally play as Momiji and say awoo.

Why is shoals so ridiculous? Directly comparing it to Spider right now, and it's like the spiders are fast and have strong poison but are fine with curing, and then everything in shoals is megamurderous

first for cheibriados

>>151325093
I guess they changed it at some point, since the cat items say they are fancy when examined.

Fortunately I found a suit so I can style all over the zombies.

>>151328546
>>151296373
I'm sorry, Sif would be the god of bad memory, not Chei.

How do I get back into C:DDA. Also what new features should I know about? The last time I really played was when they made the update where monsters would attack each other, instead of only the player.

I know about sprinting/fatigue being added but what else is new?

>>151328189
Different branches are harder for different builds. You don't NEED the barnacled rune to win, you know. Go explore the rest of the dungeon for a while.

>>151327746
Sometimes it's useful to know what's just not worth the time to make at a certain point in the game.

>>151328910
Which build exactly has less problems with Shoals than the other 3 branches?

>>151328189

They're all the same but Shoals is definitely a superior choice because you get more food for spamming Firestorm/Glaciate/Shatter.

>>151329164
I want to say Merfolk but I'm not sure if even they wouldn't find Shoals to be the hardest.

>>151329164
I'd rather run a stabber through Shoals than Swamp, honestly. Fucking spriggans with their see invisible...

>>151327314
>yet another generic dungeon crawler

Cool, let's make the 10000th D&D-based medieval fantasy dungeon crawler, but this time the gimmick is that once you get the Orb of Yendor to the surface you get to play a dating sim!

Spider is the hardest now
Spark wasps + weavers

>>151327314
Some """""""""""people""""""""""" think it is lewd when a girl pees.

>>151329990
Sounds awesome, when are you going to release it?

>>151330158
don't forget ghost moths

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>>151319867
>blew my 2 !adq for any unrandart bow
>none gave me shit

Nigga I'm gonna shank you.

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>go to a mansion near the start
>get bit and infected
>also get thirty-ish bullets to raid the town for a cure
Zombies tore up my suit, though. They'll pay for this.

>>151329990
The twist is that your childhood friend is actually an astral projection of the final boss guarding the orb. She's pretty upset you "killed" her earlier.

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>>151329990
How about a post-apocalyptic roguelike about the life of a warboy?

>>151331102
Sounds like one of those shitty "simulator" greenlight games on Steam except even more unfunny than usual.

>>151331102
Sounds fun, actually. I'd try it. Assuming it's free, of course.

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>>151329213
>spamming Firestorm/Glaciate/Shatter
>on Shoals

What kind of dark pact have you forged in order to do that?

>>151329164
Octopode

>>151331786
I'm guessing they came back to the Shoals much later, after clearing other branches first.

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>>151331912
>Octopode

>>151330792
Don't worry anon, I died anyway.

>>151324840
Why? More importantly, why hasn't he been removed if he's such a negative to the project?

>>151333014
He probably hosts some server. This is a common thing in most projects like this.

>>151333014
Probably because he doesn't want to dev CDDA any more, but he still wants to be the maintainer.
I don't know how CDDA's internal dev-team discussions work.

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You squeeze Cerebov!!!

>>151330950
>tfw found a mansion too
>no lights
>darkness just everywhere and constant storms outside so can't go find a flashlight
Fucking why

>>151333321
>webm

>>151327603
>tfw you learned that base damage is number of sides the damage die has

>>151333321
DoomRL is a lot better for webms IMO.
Especially since you apparently don't know how to use keyboard shortcuts for your consumables.

>>151333991
Incredibly misleading and blatantly incorrect.

>>151333321
You hug Cerebov like a waifu!!!

>>151334326
You pound Cerebov!!!

>>151331786

Now now, don't be such a skrub, that is always possible after clearing D15, O2 and L8.

>>151334326
I've been tempted, on more than one occasion, to tinker with the text files. For example:

>Welcome back, [playername]!
>Gozag says: "Fuck bitches, get MONEY."

>>151334253
Are you saying that damage doesn't start with 1d[base damage], then the fighting and strength and ect. calculations happen?

>>151333991
The damage formulas on various things are absolutely insane in Crawl but changing them would essentially mean rebalancing the whole game, so the devs are never going to do this for the cost of having very unclear or downright hidden damage numbers in a game where you're supposed to be able to know everything by reading descriptions and the manual.

>>151334253
not misleading

a "20 damage" weapon does 1d20 damage for a character with 10 str and 0 fighting/weapon skill

>>151333321
>all those buffs
>+9 eudemon blade
>hepliaklqana

You really should not have taken that much damage. Still, a win's a win. Good job.

>manual of armor
Finally, one of these in a skill I actually want.

>>151329164
When playing a mage I'll usually go for shoals first over spider, especially if I'm lacking see invisible and/or resist poison. Ghost moths are terrifying.

Shoals has nice open areas so you can see things coming and blast them or run. If you have decent MR that removes a lot of the big threats.

>>151334627
https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#weapon_damage
You'll see "usually" and "roughly" in the descriptions there, that's because the formulas are so retarded nobody even wants to type them into learndb.

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>earth elementalists
>miss
>miss
>miss
>miss

>>151334664
"Number of sides" implies that increasing your skill increases the number of dice.
"Damage" is the number of sides.

Should I just blow my enchant armor scrolls on this +3 plate of rF I found? Playing a MiBe.

>>151334947
I chuckled at the part where you get fed up and go with Battlesphere + Magic Dart.

>dodge THIS

>>151335047
Tell me one decent reason why you shouldn't.

>>151335512
I'd have to continue playing my MiBe.

>>151335047
Do it. rF plate can carry you through Zot.

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>>151335091
>843 coins
>An interdimensional caravan has stopped on this level and set up a bazaar!

I swear to god, if it has an unrandart...

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>>151334984
>"Number of sides" implies that increasing your skill increases the number of dice.
Legitimately don't know where you got that from.
"base damage"= the damage that item-description says the item has. 4 for dagger, 6 for quickblades, etc.
"number of sides"= the "x" in 1dx
"damage die"= the metaphorical die that is cast every time you try to hit stuff
>>151334915
Thanks!

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>>151335091

it's a problem

I hope shatter is good

>>151336392
>Legitimately don't know where you got that from.
See >>151333991

>>151336651
I know where you got the words, don't know how you interpreted them in that way.

>>151336392
>Scots dialect language option
I need this in my life, naga. Where do I go to turn this on?

>>151336853
Put "language = dwarven" in your RCfile.

>>151308263
Zombie fiction did not invent the word "infection", you tripledoofus.

>>151334658
In theory I like the idea of hiding numbers so that the game doesn't devolve into an exercise in algebra, but in this case they've exposed just enough that the player is obligated to go to the wiki/knowledge bot/etc to find out what the actual correct answer is.

>>151308962
R A T T L E

>>151334947
>>151336627

Anon, why are you sullying the reputation of Superior Iron Shot™? Surely, you must have been wearing an Inacc amulet?

>>151335512
If he's playing .18 he obviously should, but if he's playing .19 he's very likely to never find enough scrolls for when he finds a better armor to enchant.

>>151336796
We both agree that base damage is just a number which is heavily abstracted before actually becoming the "die" that is rolled though, I think.

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>>151319038
>>151337376

>>151337692
Aroo!

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>>151337797

>>151337223
being infected by a zombie bite in C:DDA turns you into a zombie, you quadrupledoofus

>>151328805
Laundry

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>>151337692
>>151337906
speaking of anime...
what do I wish for in Elona? seven-league boots?

>>151319886
>Pity Elona's a dead game
What do you mean by this? Are you talking about just vanilla Elona? Vanilla Elona is dead sure because Noa stopped developing for it but Elona+ is very much alive and is constantly getting updates.

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>>151338558
Wait I'm already wearing the dal-i-thalion artifact boots which boost travel speed so I probably shouldn't wish for that

wat do

>>151337509
Yes.

>>151338815
Happy Bed
Then bless it via holy water

Melee damage calculations are actually pretty easy to grasp in crawl
Now those fucking spell damage formulas on the other hand

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>>151338815
Aurora Rings if you 're tired of bad weather, although you can find those rarely in dungeons.
Happy Bed for the most bonuses from sleeping, but you can also get those from certain enemies at a low chance.
Secret Experience of Kumiromi if you want more feats.

>>151338354
This is technically correct, but entirely misleading.

A true roguelike answer.

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>>151330950
>get infected
>no antibiotics in pharmacies or doctors' offices
>finally roll up to hospital
>bust down the door armed with only a katana
>RIP
>AND
>TEAR
It was like fucking Hotline Miami as I pushed through the building racking up dozens of kills. All of the neon pink boomer bile really drove the feeling home.

I miss that character.

>>151339171
hello mandelbrot
we thought you were dead

>>151333838
>exploring a pitch black mansion while constant storms rage just outside
>not top fucking tier
A T M O S P H E R E

>>151338489
Yeah, funny you mention that. I decided to take a look on the forums after I made that post. First thing I saw is a thread on this retarded shit. I'm reading through these autistic replies and realize that theyve been arguing about it for damn near a month now, and the "feature" still hasn't been removed. And this is apparently only the tip of the iceburg, apparently even worse was added before this.

I decided that on second thought, DDA wasn't worth getting back into.

Kevin is an absolute complete fucking idiot. I mean that with only the purest hate. He is really on a new level of retarded. A complete unaware moron. Why they haven't just kicked him off the team is beyond me, oh well.

>>151339220
the happy bed is only slightly better than the Kind's bed in palmia anyways, right? I think I'll go for the aurora ring.

>>151339798
Give us a sample. I don't want to sift through the forums looking for what you found.

>>151339798
>getting this mad about a comfy mechanic that is entirely in line with everything before it
You need to calm down, anon. Adding a morale penalty for wearing fucking rancid clothes soaked in blood and shit was a good idea.

Instead of removing it, I would much rather they lower the penalty so that laundry is rewarding but not mandatory.

>>151339710
I remember the last time I did that.
>wandering around in the dark
>only an atomic nightlight to show the way
>keep on hearing noises from nearby rooms
>ignore those ones, only loot quiet rooms
>making my way back to my car to drop some loot (mostly lots of wine)
>suddenly hulk
>can't outrun him because I'm loaded down with stuff
>drop the largest item
>get punched down the hallway
>drop stuff until I'm unencumbered, utilize centipede style+quick+parkour expert to kite him to death
If I didn't know how boring it was once you got a character going, I'd probably give the latest experimental build a try, just from remembering how fun certain parts were.

>knife spear is no longer conductive
They buffed it, the absolute madmen.

>>151340543
Change the world options (hordes, more zombies, less items, faster evolution, whatever) so the fun part lasts longer, that's what I like to do.

>>151339710
>A T M O S P H E R E
Too much of it, please. Every corner scared the shit out of me, especially the statue.

>>151340979
>Change the world options (hordes, more zombies, less items, faster evolution, whatever) so the fun part lasts longer, that's what I like to do.
I've tried. It's just- you know that feeling when you lose a character in another roguelike that you've been playing for several hours? That sense of loss, where you realize that all those hours of life spent on the character are now invalidated, because you died and have to start over now?

I get that feeling every time I do well enough that I have the food, water, and time to start reading books. Where most games have at least a facade of fulfillment in winning the game, Cataclysm says "here's the apocalypse, become self-sustaining". And then, when you do, it says "what, why are you looking at me to give you goals? I'm a sandbox, make your own fun."

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What I intended to do: wield the shotgun
What I actually did: wielded my leg warmers
Then the mi-go ate my face my like five turns as I swapped them out.

>>151340254
If doing laundry wasn't mandatory, you wouldn't be talking about roguelike games on 4chan right now.

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>>151342837

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Well I guess everybody has a price after all. Thank you, based Gozag!

>>151342778
Mi-gos taking out zombies left and right make me avoid them like the plague.

>>151342778
Hi, I'm the guy that walked through a minefield intentionally two days ago.

Even I don't fuck with Mi-gos.

>>151343854
>tfw accidentally walked through a minefield too because forgot about the sign
Impressed it didn't kill me on the first hit.

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>>151343453
I just imagined the scene. A giant fucking 3-headed dragon of eternal damnation just looking at you character, winking an eye while showing you the money bag and then just fucking away to the nearest bazaar to buy the +9 Armor of the Dragon King he always wanted.

All thanks to the greatest ally.

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You got this, lads? Cool. Imma just nosh on some second breakfast over here.

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should I run from these dudes?

never seen them before and never really had any trouble with uniques but I hear gastronok mentioned a lot

yeah I'm fucking bad answer the question

>>151346967
Yes. Gastronok is especially dangerous.

>>151346967
Yes. Gastro is pretty OP, his only weakness being slowness. He could kill you in 2 hits in melee and fuck you up about as hard if not harder by magic. Combined with maud, you'll get one-turned guaranteed.

>>151346967
Fighting ANY two uniques at once is generally a bad idea. Run, let Maud chase you until you're far enough away that Gastronok can't Airstrike you while you're roughed up, then try fighting Maud alone.

>>151346967

You should be worried more about Maud than that dumb slug.

>>151346967
Uniques will fuck you up. You need to correct your thinking.

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>>151347505
>>151347465
>>151347423
>>151347332
>>151347090

praise trog I didn't even lift a finger

>>151348585
AYY LMAO

>>151348585
>46/96 hp
You're damned lucky that Gastronok didn't cast more Airstrike at you. That spell hits pretty hard at this stage in the game.

>>151349075
No, that would have been the good outcome. The bad outcome, which has come to pass, was getting a lucky break and not learning the lesson.

I'm a MiBe with 36(23) str, 10(4) int, 29(18) dex total(base) stats. I'm almost min delay with a holy artifact exec axe and using a triple crossbow to damage enemies from afar. I just leveled up in vaults 4. Should i keep leveling dex?

>>151349469
With the way Str and Dex work in 0.18 forward, I'd keep upping Str for more damage, unless you're having trouble landing hits. Then up your Dex instead.

>>151349469
Probably just level Str at this point.

>>151349469

More damage = More fun

>>151349469
get three (3) int

>>151349352
He's worshiping Trog, so that was the only reasonably expectable result.

>>151344147
dragons are the greediest gozaggiest monsters of all

>>151297415
>using elbereth

>>151297415
Are you playing Nethack or Sil?

>>151350135
>big room
It sounds like a variant.
I think Vanilla has special floors, but they're super rare.
>>151350015
Also this.
>not playing Elberethless

>>151348585

Trogposting is as cancer as always

>>151350293
the big room is in Vanilla though

What is the dex cutoff in crawl now?

>>151350771
When you're happy with your EV and accuracy, I suppose.

>>151350771
Like 22. Strength is almost equally as important depending on what you're wearing.

>>151350771
It has always been a stepdown, not a "cut-off".
It starts to peel off at 18 and peels off more at 22.
Note that if you are not using very heavy armour then Dex will still be better than Str for quite a while, and if you are casting spells AND using lighter armour, then Int is probably the best stat to raise.

>>151350135
nethack

A large abomination shape-changed some bugs into 2 large friendly cockroaches. Is it normal to be friendly to me?

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Looks like Parrow has officially better mileage than both Iron Shot and LCS combined.

>>151354930
Neat. Guess I'll have to try a Venom Mage sometime.

>>151354501
the abomination didn't do that anon, your plutonium sword did

>>151321582
Obviously not, but it is a really good game. Also I think you forgot an expansion or two.

What are some gods you guys never use? For me it's
>ru
>trog
>xobeh
>yred
>xom
Also any races/backgrounds you guys never use? For me it's
>ogre
>troll
>demigod
>artificer
>Chaos knight

how about you guys?

>>151356281
Eventually I'd like to beat Crawl with every species, but I'll probably just do it with one of the viable backgrounds for each. After that?

Shiren the Human Wanderer, for funsies.

>>151356281

Sif, Xom, Fedhas, Yred because those big four are the epitome of bloat.

>>151356456
hmm. now that you mention it, i never really play humans either. I like the idea of a versatile character, but they're just so boring

>>151356281
>What are some gods you guys never use?
Sif and Veh.

The ramp up time for focused spellcasting characters takes long enough that by the time you can kill multiple monsters without your character feeling gimped, your 3 rune is already almost over.

It's faster and more fun to just take any of the generalist gods.

>>151356932
I used Sif when i first started, but now she seems pretty useless. None of her abilities can get you out of a bad situation, and by the time she starts gifting you books you probably dont even need them. Only reason I can see going Sif is if you want to absolutely guarantee you get a specific spell. But even so, you never know how long it'll take for her to gift you a book with the spell you want anyways.

I don't see how Fedhas is bloat. The wandering mushrooms are nice early in the game, the oklob plants can be situationally useful. He adds something unique to the game at least.

Yred and sif dont really offer anything you can't already do, though.

>>151356281
Yred. Zin. Elly. Fedhas. Jivya. Mahkleb.

As far as races go, stuff like centaur, ghoul, demigod, cat, pode, and high elf.

>>151356932
>>151357054
I don't think I've ever gone mage without picking Sif or Veh. What do you go with instead, Mak?

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>>151357269
What the fuck is this?

>>151357398
Ashenzari, DithMango and Chei are my usual caster gods. Not that guy though.

>>151357607
A special vault near the dungeon entrance: kraken terrarium. Hilarious when it shows up.

>>151357607
Its an entrance vault where the first room you see has a huge walled off pool with all the player races getting fucked by a kraken.

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>>151357607
I should've taken the screenshot slightly sooner because the stone walls hadn't spawned and I was like "fuck no"

>>151356281
gods that I have never really played with:
-ru
-yred
-chei
-gozag
-dith
-does anyone even remember elyvilon?

there's a shitload of races and classes I haven't played significantly either:
HE,Dg,Fe,Hu,Mu
AM,Wn,Wr,Su,Ne,Ar

actually what do high elves even do
what is the point of that race

>>151358023
Good High Elf Aptitudes:
>Long Blades
>Bows
>Charms
>Air Magic
Basically, you're Link from LoZ.

>>151358023
They're like tengu without beaks or large talons.

>>151358023
Possibly Skald, sadly Skald is trash.

>>151358245
I used to run Tengu all the time, before I realized -20% HP was a death sentence. Dem aptitudes though

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>>151358023

>actually what do high elves even do

uhhhh they fight with swords?

>>151358346
Tengu is definitely something you look at and think "Oh man, they gotta be great." but then you try them and realize that they're pure suffering.

>>151358446
humans can fight with swords

in what situation would I choose high elf over another race
what makes them actually interesting

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FIFTEEN RUNES ON A DE-MON'S CHEST
YO-HO-HO AND A BOTTLE OF RUM!

First ever 15-runer for me, /rlg/! Thanks for all the laughs along the way. Score list to follow.

>>151358613
Good job man. Halfing with over 200 HP? Fucking nice. How'd you like gozag? Any super fat loot?

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I think I'll be leaving now.

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>>151358613
Who else CAO here? This is the best I've ever placed.

>>151358673
Gozag is a fucking boss-tier god. The whole no-chunks thing sounds way worse than it is; basically no problem at all unless you're a carnivore or heavy caster. And those fucking Hell-branch bribes! They made extended way easier.

First general store I ever summoned on like D:6 had a +9 randart shield with +6 Int. I started training Shields right then and there. Picked up some nice rods along the way too.

>>151358568

Being a handsome elf with those dank Poetry, Songs and Stats™ to impress the local elven cowtits shopkeep.

>>151358923

>1200000 points not even at the 500(five-hundred)
>that point gap between 110 and 111

dead game

>>151358923
berotato a best

That shield sounds super nice. I didn't know you could bribe hell! I've won with Gozag once, but swapped after the 3 rune portion. I 'll have to give him another go. Congrats again.

>>151359207
I cannot overstate how much bribes help when you're tackling Hell, Pan rune levels and other branch endings.

See >>151344716
for a prime example.

>>151358923
I think I have a 17m point win in the current trunk.
>>151359203
Pretty sure it's separated by versions.

>>151358568
High Elves have very good aptitudes and very high stat growth. +1 Int or Dex every 3 levels, you're basically getting demigod tier growth. They also get a bit of bonus MP.

Their only flaws are -10% HP and somewhat slow exp gain.

Honestly quite a strong, if bland, race.

I just need Op for greatplayer.
The only problem is that Op are boring as shit.
What archetype to win the game as easily as possible?

>>151360231
Anything that starts with a book seems fine.

>>151360405
>OpAM
Thanks family.

HuWn^first god is pretty fun, "adventurous" combo

>>151360648
>human
but why

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>>151333321

>>151360920
>scrolling through potions instead of just pressing the assigned letter

>>151360920
>That nonhasted statue tabbing
It hurts me.

>>151360920
wow it's almost like it's happening in real time

>>151360231
Fast and easy? OpBe with a long blade, stack that EV and abuse riposte. Riposte hits WILL trigger constrict, so things get pretty crazy the moment Trog gives you a nice demon blade or something.

>>151361563
is there any race where --Be isn't the easiest win?

don't say Fo or Mu because of the noberserk, because berserk is Trog's worst ability

>>151361714
I'd argue that MuGl is a better combo for Mu so that you can go for Gozag. Trog doesn't really do all that much for a Mummy early on.

>>151361714
usk is about as if not more nobrainer than trog if you're using axes

>>151361714
Felid, maybe? No gifts and no spells for a magic-friendly species seems pretty harsh.

>>151361714
Ghouls, because you don't care about weapon gifts.

>train evocations
>every time there is someone who is worth wasting wands on, the fucker has over a billion of magic resistance

>>151362310
Most of the new "wtf why is this here omg" enemies have shit MR. Everytime someone gets fucked by a shock wasp is a time they probably had a 50+% to paralyze with a wand.

>>151362395
the most fun example of "scary enemy with shit MR" is probably titanic slime creatures

not only do that have 0 MR, but any debuffs carry over to every single mini slime when they split

that said you still shouldn't ever be in melee range of a non-paralysed one