Yuri Game Thread

Recent News:
Shadows of Pygmalion available on Mangagamer and Steam
Tsui Yuri patch keeps very slowly working its way through quality-checking
Seven Days With The Ghost has posted some translation progress but not very far along

>>2276761
what is this? >>2276311

>>2276814
https://nomnomnami.itch.io/wandering-wolf-trick

I posted this in the VD thread but maybe some interested people missed it, rice digital is selling collector's edition boxes (All the bonus items without the game), so you can grab a Valkyrie Drive Bhikkuni CE even if you bought the game elsewhere.

http://www.ricedigital.co.uk/store/merchandise/collectors-boxes

>>2276761
So how much yuri is in shadows of Pygmalion? Vndb has it tagged only as shoujo ai so I have some eyebrows raised. Is it like aoi Shiro levels of yuri?

>>2276919
>Vndb has it tagged only as shoujo ai so I have some eyebrows raised.
you realise that only means it's not an 18+ game right?

>>2276919
It a good deal more explicit (some non cgi sexual stuff), but there's way less Yuri cgi's then Aoishiro and Akaiito.

Has anyone reading in English finished Pygmalion's true end, or at least Riko's route?

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Kohaku x Oyasu best pairing

>>2276919
"Shoujo Ai" on VNDB just means yuri but focused on romance, while "Yuri" is used for lewder works.

The synonyms listed for it are Girls Love and Yuri Romance, but they use Shoujo Ai anyway for whatever reason.

>>2276965
not enough people raising a fuss to demand they change the default name of the tag.

I saw a thread on /v/ yesterday claiming that you can actually romance girls in Blue Reflection.

Can we confirm that?

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>>2276984
The game has a yuri asymptote.

>>2276984
You can go t>>2276984
o dates. Probably nothing explicit and they'll call it friendship dates, but still...

>>2277095
to dates*

I think someone posted something in a previous thread about relationship mechanics in NoA2 as well? Atelier Firis looked promising as well.

Gust is leading the Yuri Renaissance

>>2277122
http://gematsu.com/2016/10/nights-azure-2-details-new-lily-muveil-follin-roux

When you get intimate enough, you get exclusive quests to level up the Lily.
>exclusive quests

They delayed the game to improve the girls' entanglements so we should see some interesting mechanics in the future.

>>2277091
If it's anything like persona, at least one classmate should be on board the yuri ship. Wouldn't hurt their sales.

I got Horizon Zero Dawn a day early and started playing. So far there is at least 1 cannon already dead side-lesbian which is more than I expected and makes me hope that there might actually be more. Ella Pontes is one of the half dozen or so dead bodies you scan to read their final messages in the introductory segment of the game. She talks about seeing someone in a beautiful woven dress and how it sparked a fire in her and how she couldn't make eye contact because she knew it was obvious how she felt. Her final sentence was that she knew they'd always be together implying her love wasn't fruitless.

>checked gematsu comments about Blue Reflection
>someone says they wish their was a male love interest
>is told to btfo
Hope restored, just a little

>Akaiito took almost 11 years to get almost fully translated.

There's never going to be a Toyko Necro translation will there?

Torment: Tides of Numenera is going to come out in a few hours. Dev said on steam forum that it has romance (but not in-dept). Anyone played the early access that can confirm there are(is) lesbian romance(s)?

>>2277258
>WRPG
>Romance
I wouldn't get my hopes up, onee-sama.

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>>2277241
Bless

>>2277256
>this one example can be easily extrapolated to this other example
Tokyo Necro: a) has higher budget; b) has broader focus (cyberpank-y action, gritty plot, both het and yuri); c) was developed by a well-known company with a lot of successful games on their record; d) was released on PC.

It and Akai Ito barely have anything in common.

>>2277264
what? rpgs are the most common thing for romances after VNs

>>2277241
>a single comment was told to "to gtfo" on a western game website
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>2277276
They're probably referring to how RPGs never have romance that's actually good.

>>2277279
I'm mostly referring to Bioware and Bethesda, the highest profile WRPG makers, who do shit romance.

Hell, I'm probably going to skip any romance plots in ME Andromeda, all the female love interests look like shit

>>2277283
I'm glad I am still able to enjoy things

>>2277283
I enjoy the les romance in both those devs games. the romance it's 100% optional, too

>>2277283
Why would you even waste your time on that trash at all?

>>2277336
Well, let me know when CD Projekt Red creates an RPG with a female protagonist and lesbian romance options.

>>2277352
Hopefully Cyberpunk 2077 delivers.

>>2277367
post yfw they pull a rockstar and let you choose between three ugly dudes

>>2277258
Pretty sure EA version didn't include the "romance" part.

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>>2277372

>>2277283
Is the female garrus romanceable?

>>2277386
What are you talking about?

Just finished Pygmalion's final route (4th). Slightly above average. Lots of unnecessary babbles Doesn't deliver on romance because of M N Sham's plot--so was kind of disappointed in that. There were a lot of shipfagging too.

Also, does anyone know how to get the the remainder cgs? The game is basically kinetic, so I don't know why there are missing cgs between the pages. Censor?

>>2277416
If I remember correctly, if you play the game again you get an extra backstory for a het ship.

>>2277417
Sounds like a waste of time.

>>2277413
The early access for RPGs like that is generally one or two areas, not the whole game. It's doubtful people who had access to the early access saw anything of the romance part.

>>2277403
Allegedly she's bi. Dunno for sure, that's according to a leak.

>>2277417
Disgusting.

>>2277258
>can't change the portrait of your character
>stuck with some ugly default
Eh.

>>2277418
It's been a few years so it's possible I've mixed something up, but I think it was the 2 lab coat wearers bonding over necrophilia. So yeah it's a waste of time.

>>2277440
Should be easily moddable.

>>2277416
I think it's an interesting piece of fiction, especially the branching paths where the PoV switches, but yes, yuri is the spice sprinkled on top, not the meat.

>>2277437
good enough, might be the first time i buy a mass effect game.

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>>2277521
After DA2, ME3 and DAI I can't recommend buying it. Maybe wait for the sale that'll include the entire inevitable DLC package or just pirate it.

>>2277440
Keeping the tradition.

>>2277524
I thought DAI was reasonably well thought of?

>>2277527
Lol wut? Fuck no.

>>2277524
ME3 wasn't so bad. Ending sucked balls, but otherwise it was pretty good. DAI was a bit of a mixed bag I guess, some parts were good some bad. DA2 deserves all the hate it gets though.

>>2277532
I didn't even see the end for myself because ME3 was so intolerably god awful from the very start that I couldn't force myself to keep playing.

>>2277524
ill try but ill probably just cave like with DAI and get it anyway.

whos the lez in this game?

>>2277527
Characters are really hit and miss. Most of them miss. And the game plays like an offline MMO. The quests are really dry (collect 10 bear asses) and the main plot of the base game is weak.

The only interesting plot development happens in the final DLC.

>>2277532
It was. The way it hastily ties unresolved plot points that were hyped up in the last game is dumb. The Quarian/Geth quest line and Genophage cure are the worst offenders. The ending is just a cherry on top.

>>2277540
>whos the lez in this game?
We still don't know for sure. They said there is one lesbian character but we don't know if it's actually one of your teammates. The ugly Asari is probably bi like every Asari and the human girl with a wide jaw is romancable by a guy at least, judging from the trailer. Orientation of the female Turian Vetra is still unknown. She's the quiet onee-sama type that cares for her little sister and close friends.

>>2277546
Suvi, the resident science officer of your ship is supposedly the lesbian option. She's not a party member though. No pictures of her yet, all the info comes from those who played the preview and tweets from the developers. All I know so far is that she's Scottish.

>>2277533
This. It took me a long time to get round to playing 3, so when I finally got a copy I played 1 and 2 again so it would be fresh in my mind and moving straight on to the complete tone shift of 3 was so disappointing I've never been able to go back and finish it.

>>2277529
It has an 85 on metacritic fwiw, I know and a pretty dedicated fanbase, so I could be forgiven for making that mistake. I always thought the franchise in general looked like the worst aspects of Bioware's approach to character design and story telling in a high fantasy world though and I'm not super into western fantasy games at the best of times, so I never bothered with it.

>>2277527
By heterosexual women mostly. Oddly the game really catered to them more than to other groups. I enjoyed my time with it but the complaint about 'plays like an offline MMO' is very true. An awful lot of the quests and gameplay were just plain boring, and the ending of the base game is a big letdown.

But how often do you get the option for a lesbian wedding in a game?

>>2277561
>and the ending of the base game is a big letdown.

No different to the rest, then. The storyline is ridiculously retarded.

>>2277256
>Needing translation at all.
Learn moon, neesama.

>>2277524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb5JPYol3F0
I would also recommend steering clear. Andromeda being a soft reboot of the entire franchise is already a major red flag. They shit up their own series so bad that they can't even give it a canonical conlusion and go on from there or expand in other ways.

>>2277372
Rockstar is known for making generic garbage with ugly dudes.
CDPR added a playable female character where nobody expected one.

Anyway, it's been said numerous times that it will have a fully customizable protagonist, stop making shit up.

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>>2277524
>create a universe filled with interesting races
>forces you to play as a human
>again
>also every human is ugly
Sasuga Bioware.

>>2277613
>also every human is ugly
It was intentional, for "diversity" sake.

>>2277617
surely diversity means some should be ugly and some should be pretty

>>2277613
I can't wait for the next Bioware game where everyone is fat.

Ahhh the bioware autistic shit posters return.

And Bethesda games are way better then fucking CD projects Het fest games.

>>2277624
I like all three devs and recognize that they each have things they do well.

>>2277624
>Ahhh the bioware autistic shit posters return.

Can't be criticism these days. It MUST be autistic hate. Because all the arguments that have been made over and over again (and thus no one has any interest in repeating them yet again) are nothing but autistic hatred towards a single developer.
Fuck you, son.

>het fest games

No wonder arguments go over your head. Jesus fuck, please tell me you're just acting this stupid for the sake of internet posts.

>>2277624
I take CD Projekt's "het fests" over Bethesda's "games" any day.

>>2277624
>And Bethesda games are way better then fucking CD projects Het fest games.
Skyrim is highly moddable so you can make your qt3 lesbo wayfoos and their harems easily. Which is why Skyrim has more players than TW3 to this day.

But TW3 had Ciri and depending on your dialogue choices you can choose her orientation.

>>2277632
>>2277630
This isn't /v/. fuck off

>>2277624
At least those het fests had actual plot that went beyond "hey, Champion/Hero/Nerevarine/Champion/Dragonborn, go kill some rats in my cellar, will ya?"

>>2277640
Not mention actual interesting gameplay.

>>2277638
>video game thread
>talks about video games
Really makes you think.

>>2277640
Hey, Morrowind had some good writing in it.

>>2277634
>But TW3 had Ciri and depending on your dialogue choices you can choose her orientation.
Kinda shame they didn't give her more place in the game to be a playable MC as an option.
Or at least give a DLC where she would get hours as one.

Maybe after Cyberpunk 2077 they will create new Witcher series with selectable MC similiar like Bioware did with Mass Effect universe and ending Shepard story to give place to something new.

>>2277640
That's really pathetic, and a complete oversimplification of the plot, and (genuinely) well-written lore in the games.

Since your defending the endless stream of het, I dont think you belong here.

>>2277647
If they make a new Witcher series with someone who is not Geralt (and as far as I know he can't be a protagonist anymore cause he's dead or something) they'll most likely shoot themselves in the foot. The Witcher is The Geralt game more or less and the books as well. The Witcher universe has some fantastic lore though.

>>2277640
>hey Nerevarine
Hey onee-sama, don't talk smack about Morrowind's lore and plot.

>>2277641
>Not mention actual interesting gameplay.
desu The Witcher has shitty combat as well.

>>2277645
Fair enough. I'd also say that Oblivion had some interesting questlines, but the main plot was a disappointment. Shivering Isles were great, though.

>>2277647
>Kinda shame they didn't give her more place in the game to be a playable MC as an option.
Not a very good idea, to be honest. They would've had to skip the whole thing about Geralt looking for her, otherwise the game would've been too long. Considering CDPR said they're planning to work on the Witcher series some more, she's pretty much guaranteed to make an appearance again. Most likely as the MC.

>>2277651
>a complete oversimplification of the plot
Skyrim's main plot literally has you inhaling the soul of a dragon, surrounding guards vaguely reacting to it and then the whatshisname sending you off to run his errands while every rat in Cyrodiil tries to bite your ankles. There's nothing remotely legendary about collecting cheap swords to sell them to the blacksmith to get yourself a nicer pair of boots.

>>2277640
>thinking video games have good plot

>>2277641
YURI game thread. Talk about how shit or not their lesbian plots were. How generally shit they are can go back to /v/

>>2277678
I think the quality of gameplay is worth mentioning as well. A game could have the most beautifully written yuri storyline and if it it had terrible gameplay I'd still warn people about it.

>>2276966
Because there's literally no need to change it.

>>2277527
Yeah, it's very good but the lesbian romance leaves something to be desired.

>>2277684
You know that it's actually associated with legitimate pedophilia in Japan right? And not yuri.

>>2277561
>plays like an offline MMO
It plays like any tactical RTWP RPG since baldur's gate, except with many improvements. If you choose to let the AI handle the rest of your party, that's on you.

>>2277686
Good thing we're not in Japan, then. This Japanese loanword has a different meaning here.
Fucking autists.

>>2277687
That criticism is mostly directed towards side-quests.

>>2277688
Only genuine idiots and newfags use "Shoujo Ai" seriously and try to differentiate it from regular "Yuri". It also sounds retarded and weebish.

>>2277688
Doesn't change the fact that it sounds fucking stupid

>>2277691
You need to do such an insignificant fraction of all sidequests to progress the main quest, that's not even close to a valid complaint.

>>2277695
In WRPGs side-quests are usually more important and more memorable than the main quests. It's where the meat of the lore resides.

That said the main quest in DAI is trash as well so it doesn't have that to redeem it either.

>>2277696
>In WRPGs side-quests are usually more important and more memorable than the main quests. It's where the meat of the lore resides.


That explains Xenoblade Chronicles X's approach

>>2277695
>You need to do such an insignificant fraction of all sidequests to progress the main quest

This is true, but people don't realise it at first because they're used to a different style of RPG. So they stick around in the starting area trying to clear out all the monotonous quests and getting more and more bored, instead of just moving on with the main plot.

I think the main plot had a lot of good moments in it until it ran out of steam and fell over by the ending, I'm a fan overall. But they really jammed in a lot of crazy filler sidequest nonsense that is absolutely not worth the time necessary to complete it. Finding out what's actually going on with those fucking skulls? There's a sad story in there... God help you if you actually knocked yourself out doing them all.

>>2277696
The main quest and the companion quests are very good, and the blandness of the sidequests doesn't change that.

>>2277695
It's not about what you need to do. It's about what you want to do. For me, sidequests are very important. They are what motivates me to explore the world. When 80% of all the optional stuff is "bring me 5 pelts" or "kill 5 bandits", it kills the motivation to go out there and check out those quest marks, not to mention any sort of replayability.

>>2277711
Damn. Can you at least tell what sidequests are worthless at a glance? I haven't played a DA since Origins which at least kept its garbage sidequests relegated to the silly boards, I might pick up Inquisition when it's on 80 - 90% sale or something though.

>>2277713
Anything that has to deal with "providing supplies". Anything that has phrases like "collect X" or "bring me X". 90% of all quests in the starting area. Just get out as soon as you can and don't do anything that doesn't lead to a questline of some sort, you won't regret it.

If you really want to avoid doing this useless crap, I'd say google a quest list with brief descriptions and find out which quests are one-time resource harvesting wastes of time.

>>2277706
>The main quest and the companion quests are very good
>very good
I disagree. The main quest was uninteresting. The final boss is outright horrible.

And the companion quests vary. Dorian was surprisingly fine and Solas was interesting albeit bitchy. Everyone else was either bland or straight up sucked. Sera and Cole are Bioware's worst characters yet.

The game really only becomes interesting in the Descent and Trespasser DLCs. And this is only because the plot is tied to the already established Origins lore which wasn't even written by the Inquisition's devs.

>>2277720
>already established Origins lore which wasn't even written by the Inquisition's devs
The lead writer for all three Dragon Age game is the same person and 4 out of 7 of the other DA:O writers were writers on DA:I as well.

I had no idea /u/ hated good games so much.

>>2277739
Western games are polemic because their girls aren't cute.
Japanese games can be shit with no problem because the characters are always cute.

>>2277746
Well at least I know not to trust what /u/ says when it comes to things like gameplay and story now, it's clear a lot of posters in this thread have very different tastes than I do

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>>2277749
That's a good lesson to be honest.
But what I said is true. NoA was largely acknowledged to have shitty gameplay, but nobody dwells on that; in fact, you'll often find posters who don't mind it because of the lesbians.
Meanwhile games like Skyrim get critiziced on their absolutely everything.

It's just my hypothesis that it wouldn't be so if the west knew how to make cute characters.

>>2277751
Shitty is a strong word. It was serviceable and in my case even preferable over turn-based.

Then again I like Musou games and can't get into anything strategy related so fuck me.

>>2277751
>games like Skyrim get critiziced on their absolutely everything
Because vanilla Skyrim doesn't really have any substance to it. It got so popular due to its immense modding potential.

>if the west knew how to make cute characters
But muh diversity.

>>2277753
The majority of Skyrim players don't use mods. As of the paid mods fiasco, Bethesda's own data had it as low as eight percent of players ever having installed a mod. Most of the audience don't want and are susicious of games with depth.

>>2277756
Oh no, onee-sama, don't trust Todd.

>>2277758
To give more perspective to this image, this was taken before Special Edition, meaning only PC had mods. This takes in the numbers of console units as well.

So at least 45% of PC players used mods.

>>2277751
Poor Sera. She doesn't always look as bad depending on lighting, but when it's bad, it's bad.

>>2277758
Does it count by IP or by account though?

Should still be higher than 8% overall either way, but a big difference.

>>2277761
I never played the game but other than that image, her haircut has always looked the worst part of her design.

I mean. Why.

>>2277763
Unique counts by IP. See the total next to it.

>>2277764
She cut her bangs herself because they were getting into her eyes. With a knife.

>>2277767
Sure you can explain it in-game but it doesn't make the dev decision any better...

>>2277764
Her hair is supposed to look terribly cut, as >>2277767 said. Too bad they didn't find a way to make it spiky-messy-cute though. They always seem to be way behind in getting good hair, graphically.

Sera was shitty character. Josephine was nice, but the romance was too short. Cassandra just said she doesn't dig chicks after flirting her for a while (because her reactions were amusing). Why did DAI had such a shitty romances?

>>2277756
>eight percent of players ever having installed a mod
Somehow I doubt that, looking at download counts at Nexus. Perhaps it only counts Steam Workshop downloads.

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I like where this is going.

(Callistege is the woman in red.)

>>2277749
>>2277751
Generally gameplay gets glossed over, but anytime I've requested strictly opinions on gameplay I've gotten good responses.

>>2277816
My point was more that good gameplay is what makes a game good, and considering how many of the games being called shit here have really good gameplay (and how shitty the gameplay is in games the thread is calling good), it wasn't worth looking into the thread's opinions on the matter

>>2277820
>My point was more that good gameplay is what makes a game good

People like things for different reasons. Yeah, that apply to games as well.

>>2277797
Keep us posted anon!

>>2277820
>good gameplay is what makes a game good
Debatable. I've dropped otherwise good games because the narrative made me want to punch myself in the face. Conversely, endearing characters or an interesting story have got me through otherwise mediocre games. For the most part, considering we are in the YURI games thread, I think the fact that the aforementioned games have little or shitty yuri are good reasons to not like them. Even just considering the opinions on the gameplay without taking the yuri into account, one man's meat is another man's poison. Dark Souls gets lauded, but I find it interminably boring. On the other hand, I've sunk hundreds of hours into things other people might think are trash. FFXIII

>>2277781
The worst part about Cassandra was how she responds positively to FeMC's flirting for for the first third of the game, gaining affection points and all. And then she suddenly just goes "yeah, no, I'm straight" and that's that.
And Josephine's romance questline in the base game ends way too abruptly, without any satisfying resolution scenes.

>>2277844
>FFXIII
I loathe the fact that I understand that feel.

>>2277853
Isn't that the one with that cannon or near-cannon lesbian couple? I vaguely remember wanting to play that one specifically for the yuri.

>>2277859
There are two female characters that are "closer than family". Take that as you will. It's very goggleable, so there's that.

Combat system and linear level design can fuck right off, however.

>>2277859
Yeah, Fang and Vanille.

>>2277844
I actually like FFXIII, though. Sure, exploration and story were bad (not the worst the series made, though), but gameplay and characters were great.

On the other side, I won't even bother with FFXV because I can't stand the characters.

>>2277863
Linear level design was mind numbingly boring, but I loved the combat system once I got to Gran Pulse.

There's only, what, nigh on fifteen hours of a tutorial until then?

>>2277867
>Linear level design was mind numbingly boring
It would've been better if it actually worked as intended. Levels in Persona games have a similar layout, but because of the wider field of view and more spacious hallways you can avoid enemies or sneak up on them easily. In FFXIII there's about 80% possibility that every time you try to surprise that one enemy fifteen more are watching you from the side that you can't see because of the camera.

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>>2277859
>Isn't that the one with that cannon or near-cannon lesbian couple?

Yes, and it could have been converted into a great OT3.

>>2277866
Your loss. The cast is great and the main party has the best and most nuanced chemistry in the series by far. Leaps and bounds above the FFXIII horror show.

>>2277873
The "levels" in Persona are fucking atrocious; there's literally zero thought put into their design. It's just the audience doesn't care because they're all there for the dating sim VN part.

>>2277886
It's more that zero effort levels are common for JRPGs. Although Persona 3 takes the cake in having the laziest level design I've ever seen. Fucking checkered floors, I swear.

>>2277884
Yeah, not, thanks. When they made a truly FF, I try again.

>>>/v/
>>>/vg/

>>2277884
>caring about the chemistry in sausagefest roadshow

>>2277886
That's 4 you're thinking of.
>>2277884
When did we move to /y]?

>>2277416
>There were a lot of shipfagging too.

What do you mean?

>>2277693
What's even the point of separating yuri from shoujo ai? Is it relevant to separate them based on whether they have sex scenes or not?

>>2277907
There is no point. People are just dumb.

>>2277844
I'm a huge pleb, I read FFXIII fics, but never played the game, only watched the cutscenes on youtube.

>>2277907
On VNDB? Originally because it was coming from the viewpoint of guys playing het games and just flagging whether there was a lesbian sex scene in it somewhere, often a completely random one having nothing to do with the plot. Many games tagged Yuri do not have female protagonists. The entire concept of "oh, it actually has romance between women" came along later, and the tag for "this is actually a girls love game" didn't exist for years.

>>2277893
Persona is honestly one of the worst offenders I've ever seen in JRPGs. The dungeons in P2 were incredibly bad even by 1998 standards; P3 and P4 made them shorter and easier, but did little to actually improve them.

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How come no one mentioned that the new Honey Select expansion adds yuri scenes yet?

>>2277932
>The dungeons in P2 were incredibly bad

Can anything have worse dungeons than the neptunia games?

>>2277937
It was mentioned a while back noob.

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>>2277937
>>2271861

>>2277907
It's relevant for VNDB.

>>2277939
It can. Imagine miles of featureless gray corridors, without any design elements and with an insanely high random encounter rate. You also have to crawl through every single inch of this hell to map it, because otherwise you won't get crucial items.

>>2277844
I stopped playing mainline FF titles aside from FFXIV when the combat moved away from full control over the party in an at least semi-turn-based environment, I couldn't stand XII's combat and haven't played once since.

But that's a gameplay concern. Mostly I'm surprised because I have seen some fair reviews here which say things like "the gameplay is good but you'll be disappointed in the yuri" which is not what I'm seeing right now

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Shadows of Pygmalion is kind of strange. I can't really recommend it to a fan of yuri alone. It's like a weird kind of amalgamation of Fate/Stay night, They Live, Madoka Magica, Chaos; Head, and Da Capo II.

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Guess what game is a "Excellence in narrative" nominee in IGF 2017.

>>2277963
Yeah, it was announced months ago, why are you so desperate to talk about that game that you have to bring up things that aren't news?

>>2277966
>why are you so desperate to talk about that game that you have to bring up things that aren't news?
Sadism I assume.

>>2277902
You can enjoy a good game without shipping the characters.

>>2277943
I still think they should just use a general NSFW tag alongside with "yuri" one. Do they have a "shounen ai" tag as well?

>>2277957
It's the most yuri you'll get from a Final Fantasy game. Funny enough, Toriyama also made FFX-2, that is the second gayest (fuck Tidus end, tho).

By the way, in Lightning Returns, Lighting says Fang and Vanille had a bond "stronger than family". And I wonder if she says that because there was a lot of people saying: "They're not a couple! They're just like sisters!" on the first game.

>>2277972
>fuck Tidus end, tho
Don't worry, he kicks the landmine and his head explodes. No I'm not kidding. This is canon.

>>2277970
>good game
>shit dark pseudo-hack'n slash pretending to be final fantasy

>>2277975
>pretending to be final fantasy
Final Fantasy series had so many different games with different tones that this part makes no goddamn sense.

>>2277973
I know. Writer was probably pissed off about square forcing them to bring Tidus back.

>>2277963
>IGF
Irrelevant Gaming Festival?

>>2277977
FFXV is the most different of everything they ever made, so much that nothing of the series remained. I played every game in the mainline and a ton of spin-off.

I would be okay with Versus because it was a spin-off, but FFXV is stupid. Hell, World of Final Fantasy would be a better FFXV.

>>2277972
I never actually finished X-2, but I was pretty heartbroken by the end of X. Is it badly done or are you just unhappy because it interrupts the yuri?

>>2277970
Yes they do. They tag all content, including sexual acts, romantic content, character death, whether there is rape in the game, if the rape is unavoidable. It's like the booru's and their image tags, except for VN.

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>>2277982
There's no real yuri in FF X-2, all the girls have male love interests. The fanservice Leblanc massage minigame is the only yuri scene I can remember in the whole game.

>>2277982
It's pretty random. But...

>but I was pretty heartbroken by the end of X

That's the problem to me. They made you feel for the character, and then suddenly: "Oh, just a joke. Here, he's back."

I was depressed when aunt May died in Spiderman, and pissed off when they brought her back, for example.

>>2277985
That one was really something.

>>2277985
>all the girls have male love interests

They don't. Yuna is the only one, as far as I remember. And I remember Rikku being pretty touch-feely with Yuna.

There was not yuri, but there was potential.
Actually, I remember someone saying it's implied Rikku actually liked Yuna, just like her brother, but I don't remember anything like that.

>>2277990
It's been like 12 years since I played the game, but I remember Rikku having some sort of tsunder-ish relationship with Gippal, and Paine being quite clearly attracted to Nooj.

>>2277997
Well, I'll admit I don't even remember wo Gippal and Nooj are, so you're probably right.

>>2277990
Rikku was into Gippal and Paine had a history with Baralai. Any "yuri" in anything X-related is pure delusion.

>>2277751
NoA's gamplay isn't shitty at all and it's thousands of times better than the gameplay in any Bethesda or Bioware game (with the exception of BG2).

>>2277981
>claims to have played every mainline game and a ton of spin-offs
>doesn't know pretty much everything in XV had shown up in its predecessors at some point
Never change, FF purists.

>>2277981
>so much that nothing of the series remained
Describe to me what you understand by "the series". Is it the combat? The plot? The cast? What? Why does FFXV destroy it all, but FFVII/VIII/XIII doesn't?

>>2278003
Mass Effect 3 had pretty great gameplay unless it somehow doesn't count because muh shooter. Bethesda is a lost cause, though.

>>2277943
VNDB uses it
AniDB uses it
Mangaupdates uses it
You can tell them it actually means pedo till your face turns blue, they'll respond western fandom gave it a different meaning and carry on using it.

>>2278006
Any element for "the series" we can choose, it's not there. That's simple. Unless you think the series is about chocobos.

>>2278006
Let's not forget XI and XIV, which abandoned the whole "single-player JRPG" concept altogether.

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While we're on the topic of Final Fantasy, there is a yuri-moment in Brave Exvius.

See pic.

>>2278011
>we can choose
I choose "teenagers with anime haircuts going off on an adventure". Hey, it fits.

>>2278011
So you didn't play it, have no idea what the series is like and have no argument whatsoever. Good to have it clarified.

>>2278003
NoA feels very clunky to me after Valkyrie Drive.

>>2278008
>muh shooter
Which is great, but that's not the franchise I signed up for when I fell in love with 1.

>>2278015
So every JRPG ever is FF? Hm...
But whatever. Even if it was pure Final Fantasy, with turn based and everything, I wouldn't play it with this stupid cast.

>>2278015
There's actually only one teenager in XV, but that's pretty much the same situation as in FFVII.

>>2278015
The FFXV cast looks like an emo band

>>2278016
I didn't played it, but I know how the series is like. How could I not, when Square shows everything before the game is even out? I also saw spoilers and such...

But as I said, whatever, wouldn't play even if it was Final Fantasy, what it's not.
The same way, if an interesting setting and characters with FFXV battle system came out, I'll probably play it, while still believing it's not FF anymore.

>>2278018
Protip: FF hasn't been truly turn-based since 1992. ATB should be properly called delay-based, because it doesn't have real turns per se.

>>2278018
No. But FF shares a lot of its "elements" with other JRPGs. Because it's a JRPG. Literally any other element you can name you can see in some other JRPG.

>I wouldn't play it with this stupid cast.
That's your subjective opinion that doesn't make the game bad or means that it isn't a true FF game.

>>2278021
I mean, that's true for 80% of FF games.

>>2278017
NoA2 apparently has Omega Force people working on it, so in theory the combat should be better

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Too bad the devs didn't have the guts to make them kiss. Still, it is a very good pairing.

>>2278019
You made me remember that another thing I hate about this game is how clear it is that their main target was west. Pretty much all the cast besides Noctis and the pseudo-Cloud shows it. And old-Noctis is full with western appeal.

And we all know what happens when japanese devs start to appeal mainly to west in their games.

>>2278023
To put it bluntly, you don't know shit. And if you think turn-based gameplay makes FF, then 90% of all JRPGs ever made should be now called Final Fantasy.

>>2278035
They shift a bajillion units?

>>2278029
When will NoA 2 be released?

>>2278035
I have no idea what this Western appeal is supposed to be. The lack of multicolored hair and kawaii catgirls?

>>2278037
They become like Resident Evil. But I'm sure you like what happened to it, too.

>>2278036
I don't think turn-based makes FF, but there's nothing of FF in FFXV. Not even the setting looks like it. Hell, even the summons looks like something else. The entire "this is a fantasy based in reality" is just stupid.
Anyway, shitty game.

>>2278041
I've never played a RE. I'm a big fraidy cat.

>>2277972
That's nice but it won't be enough to carry a few-dozen-hour game for me if the combat is that weird shit they've been going with for FFs past XII. I'm more of someone who looks for a game that I enjoy and if it has yuri, hey, bonus.

>>2278041
>Not even the setting looks like it
Name me what makes a setting a "FF setting".

>>2278040
>dark setting
>action
>gritty characters
>all male cast
>"realistic" story

Pretty much everything, really. Not a wonder the game was better received in west than Japan.

>>2278047
So basically FFVII then.

>>2278049
One of the only other FF games I've never played, incidentally.

Mostly because my cousin is a shit and would never lend it to me.

>>2278041
>Hell, even the summons looks like something else.
They are literally Amano's designs from the early FF era, before they got a ton of ridiculous bells and whistles. In short, you've gone full retard now.

>>2278046
Fantasy, of course. The fantasy in XV universe is shoehorned. The anime even looked like just a normal city. You have a realistic city, drive a car, eat fucking cup noodles. And then you go kill monster to remind you that's still supposed to be a fantasy setting.

Let's not forget this game is a frankenstein made by mixing Nomura's ideas and Tabatha's bullshit.

>>2278052
Amano's Bahamut is a guy in armor? Don't remember that.

>>2278049
FFVII had a colorful world, it wasn't realitic at all (you had a fucking doll in your party) and the characters were silly. So not, nothing like it. Maybe Advent Children, that's the shitty part of FFVII.

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I've only played FFVIII, but hated it.

>>2278038
Sometime this year.
Unfortunately that's really all we know now after it got delayed.
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/01/16/nights-azure-2-delayed-february-2017-2017-window/

>>2278054
>Maybe Advent Children, that's the shitty part of FFVII
You mean Dirge of Cerberus, where there are edge all over the place and half the stages are cities, corridors, or corridors inside of a city.

>>2278059
That too, but I don't like Advent Children style, either.
Actually, I don't like Nomura's style.

Holy shit this thread is bad.

>>2278047
>dark setting
FFVI, VII and VIII to a certain extent.
>action
FF has been flirting with it for decades.
>gritty characters
Not sure what the hell is that supposed to mean, but FFVII and XII aren't exactly full of fairytalish sunshine and roses.
>all male cast
FFI (original version).
>"realistic" story
VII and VIII, plus XII when it comes to politics.

More importantly, it's pretty funny to complain about Westernization in a series which was actually born from Western games (Ultima and Wizardry).

>>2278053
>Fantasy, of course.
So Crisis Core is not an FF game?

>>2278064
You're wrong on pretty much all exemples, but...I'll stop.
This is a yuri thread, anyway. Go back to /v/ to talk about your boys band game.

>>2278027
FFX is not ATB. Also "ATB is technically not turn-based" is a bad faith argument used by people deliberately avoiding the point.

>>2278056
I've always carried a torch in my heart for Quistis/Xu, despite Quistis spending what seems like the entire game creaming herself over that monosyllabic oaf instead.

>>2278053
VIII had not-Belgium, not-Paris (complete with the Arch of Triumph) and you had to visit normal gas stations to buy gas for your car. A good chunk of the XII setting is extremely familiar if you've ever been to Turkey or Morroco. FFX is slightly fantasy Okinawa. Both FFVII and FFVIII served Korean BBQ and hotdogs. And it just goes on and on. For all your faux outrage, you know remarkably little about the series.

>>2278079
Who is Xu?

Did I click /v/ by mistake?

>>2278074
>can't refute a single point
>g-go away!
Good job. Next time, don't try to argue about vidya you haven't played.

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>>2278088
I guess lesbians just really love their video games

>>2278086
Quistis' SEED friend and colleague. She serves as Squall's vice-commander later on.

>>2278086
Her only friend outside of the main party who barely pops up after the first few hours, iirc. I don't think I ever got past disc 3 either though.

>>2278076
All main games starting from FFX are not ATB, except for FFX-2.

>>2278090
Sure, believe what you want. Just stop talking things that don't belong here. My mistake for giving you attention, anyway.

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Christ I just woke up to hundreds of posts bitching about how every barely /u/ related mainstream game is complete garbage.

Are these people always here? Is the /v/ boogeyman this real?

FFXIV at least has yuri marriage

>>2278097
>I'll willingly engage you in a discussion about a thing that I think does not belong here
>And now, when I have no other way out of the argument, I'll pretend I wasn't actually an active participant of the discussion that I think does not belong here
Smooth.

>>2278099
Speaking of MMOs with same-sex marriages, I'm pretty sure I've heard of some Korean ones. On a scale from 1 to very, how desperate you need to be to play them just for that? Asking for a friend.

>>2278098
yeah it's pretty annoying.

>>2278098
someone should report half this thread for the janitors to clean up

>>2278119
>someone
Just do it then?

Did I misclicked to /v/?

>>2278101
The XIV marriage is really really gay if it's two girls but I don't think I'd play the game just for that, you'd need to be interested in the game in general too

>>2278136
FFXIV Is at least a decent MMO though. All MMOs these days are leaning towards terrible, and FFXIV is easily the least terrible.

>>2278101
Only kMMO I know of with gay marriage is Ragnarok Online, and only on private servers (aka not the official game).

>>2278179
Well yeah, I enjoy the game merely can't recommend purely on the basis of yuri

>>2277904
All the characters either kisses or do flirtatious things with the main character--ensuring numerous amount of ships fans can sail (fortunately, none of them did.)

Can anyone please upload Love Ribbon? The only link in the archive is dead.

>>2277417
>>2277443
IIRC, there's also the Chinese girl and the sunglasses guy.

>>2278086
She's one of the SeeDs who graduated along with Squall, which means she's as badass as Squall, Zell, and Quistis. How come everyone keep forgetting about her?

There's an in-universe explanation for why nobody remember Xu.

>>2278035
Newer Neptunia games are made with Western gamers in mind and they just keep getting better (and gayer).

>>2277640
That's not really a fair comparison since CD projects games are based on existing properties with rich worlds, built-in lore, detailed settings, and characters. Obvioustly their stories would be miles better than whatever Bethesda or Bioware can shit out because they already have a foundation to work with.

>>2278341
It doesn't have to be that way, but I understand what you're saying.

>>2278247
>Newer Neptunia games are made with Western gamers in mind

They're not. Because what weeks in west fans want in Neptunia is a game targeted to Japan. Also, if Neptunia was targeted to West, it would probably be less gay.

>>2278247
Obviously not, if western gamers are the target the games would have had a generic male MC.

>>2278361
Yeah. Western weebs are the first to complain about yuri subtext and all-girls cast.

>>2278341
Well, Bioware games have more character development compared to Bethesda ones. You can argue whether that development is good or bad, or even if it exists for some NPCs, but fact is, followers in ME or DA generally have more than two lines of dialogue.

It's one of the main problems with this kind of sandboxes. Since the player has complete freedom over who they want to talk with, who they want to kill, marry, mod into an anime girl, etc., putting time into fleshing out characters, giving them personality and depth, writing detailed stories for them is a waste of resources. Same with creating major side questchains. It's not a bad thing, objectively, free rein sandboxes have their good sides, namely potential for modding, but I wouldn't honestly recommend any recent Bethesda games for their vanilla versions.

>>2278385
If they were fleshed out though, people probably wouldn't want to mod them, besides their look that is.

>>2278387
To be fair, a relatively small amount of mods concerns NPCs' development/dialogues. Some of them add new characters ("Interesting NPCs" comes to mind), but even those don't have much to them. Most modders aren't professional writers, creating fleshed out personalities and storylines isn't for them. Although there are quest mods, of course, but only a few have passable writing.

Most popular mods are for visual stuff (character/item models, textures, shaders, UI overhauls, etc.), new items and combat/survival systems.

I'm reading pygmalion. I feel so sorry for Makoto, Mina keeps dumping her to talk to random people.

>>2278361
They did. Twice. They quickly learned not to repeat the stunt.

>>2278520
I think Japan hates Noire game more than West.

>>2278520
They added a self insert for the player into the microtransation card game (chaos chanpuru).

>>2278522
That's largely down to false advertising. The SI wasn't revealed in any of the promotional material until right before the game came out, and the fanbase was justifiably upset to receive a different game than what had been sold to them. That's why it had so many returns and cancelled orders.

>>2278528
Wish the idol game had the already existing idol (5pb) producing the goddesses instead of the male SI.
Or even Nepgear being the producer. Anyone but a male SI.

>>2278566
Or the Oracles could be the producers

>>2278566
That would be far too logical and sensical. Just like how they already had Kei to play the role that the SI takes in the Noire game.

>>2278566
>>2278594
>>2278597
Why land on your feet when you can eat dirt?

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All that thing about Makoto on Pygmalion...I'm dead inside

>>2278619
It's okay, none of it matters when you can become ________God____. The Makoto section of pygmalion is definitely one of the stronger sections of the VN.

>>2278619
Purple lesbians deserve better.

>>2278621
well, it's still one sided though.

>>2278638
She's broken for 2 weeks after kissing and killing her. She felt pretty strongly.

>>2278643
>only 2 weeks
Clearly not strongly enough.

>>2278644
It helps when your other consciousness actively dispels the worries torturing you

>>2278614
It actually kind of surprises me how poorly those games were apparently received. Can any anons provide more details?

I would have actually though that the audience that plays Compile Heart games likes that sort of thing, though in hindsight I don't think many of their non-Neptunia games have achieved even a fraction of the attention. Like that one Omega Quintet seemed promising until the real male protagonist was revealed at the last second. I think I even saw reviews that mentioned he was the weakest part of the game and was extremely unlikable.

>>2278688
They're also just not great games and having a male SI fucking up the subtext detracts from the series main selling point.

>>2278688
I remember reading that the Noire game set a Japanese record for most cancelled orders and returns.

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More from Torment. Salimeri as a woman. It's a bit complicated to explain why she thinks I'm her past lover.

>>2278688
I forget the exact details, but because of the day it was released it's first week was only two days long. It sold around 30k over that weekend. For it's "second week" it only sold ~1000 copies.
>>2278695
I don't know about it breaking any records, but there were pictures of piles of returned copies in shops, and it was already heavily discounted.

Times like these I wish I had bothered to save all that shit to chronicle it's utter failure for future generations.

>>2278729
It's a good thing the game was a failure can you imagine what would have happened had it been successful?

>>2278745
The Noire series would've been akin to blasphemous to discuss here and not much else.

>>2278748
Worse, the SI would have made it to the mainline Neptunia universe.

>>2278750
Yes, I forgot to add the /Neptunia after Noire. It would be like those games that should not be named.

>>2278755
It'd be a great loss for us too.

>>2278750
Actually, I just remembered something...
>>2278361
When the Japanese fans heard that the Noire game was being localized, they were half talking shit about the western fans liking it, half worrying that if it succeeded in the west that it might influence future games.

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Highway Blossoms is really fucking cute and cozy.

I really dig the road trip feel.

>>2278804
I liked it enough. I thought it kind of dragged in the middle, but overall I was happy to play it and support the creators. The writers nailed the U.S. southwest as a plus, too.

So apparently once again, the actually interesting alien girl (Turian, this time) in Andromeda is straight romance only. Enjoy your bisexual space-elf or human again, I guess.

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The infodump on Pygmalion is intense. But I'm enjoying the story so far.

Mina looks good with all girls.

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>>2278832
>straight romance only.
I know this board gets a lot of /v/ influence being neighbors and the board itself is extremely cynical but you should at least extrapolate but you needlessly write something off especially with pic related. Probably which thread you just came from. The bottom part of that picture is what's important. Despite how others may feel on the topic, the idea of the turian being MCsexual shouldn't be a surprise considering the company.

Now this isn't really in defense of MEA, it's just more 'People should wait before jumping the gun'. The board and anons in this thread should really only care about it a month or two after launch when everything's been explored and we can get actual in-game confirmations. On it's own, it won't be that interesting and the romance isn't enough of a reason to care about this game.

>>2278832

Thanks for saving me some space bucks.

>>2278839
The Female Tur sounds like female Shepard. My brain and ovaries can't handle it. Please make her gay as fuck.

>>2278843
I'm going to reiterate this because it's important. Wait until like May or so and then look up, on the eventual wiki, the romance. Her romance and see if what the ex-biodrone says is true or not. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if some determined person with the game or not hunts down the path to have nice sapphic sex with Turian Shepard. Especially if the romance is the only thing you care about.
Knowing how Bioware works, it's probably a matter of taking her with you everywhere and doing some key decisions that endear her to you.

>>2278839
i really hope this isn't true. why even bother with locking off routes to genders? it's not as if the dialog hinges on it

>>2278847
People got pissy that everyone was bi in DA2 as I recall it

>>2278848
People felt it was pandering to LBGT supporters and SJWs. Personally, my biggest problem was that I couldn't tell Anders to fuck off and not flirt with me. That issue was exacerbated by the fact that the easiest way to raise your followers' affection was to flirt back at them, which made going for that best friendship bonus a walk in the minefield.

>>2278851
I hate it because making everybody magically bisexual undermines them as characters and makes everything feel more artificial and fake which is terrible for an RPG. Not that Bioware can write non-shit characters anyway regardless of whether you can fuck them or not.

>>2278852
half the options are aliens, why would they even have preferences on an alien species gender?

>>2278852
I mean, sexuality should be the second least important thing about the character after their skin color (unless it's actually important for the setting).
It's not really that they're all bisexual, it's more that their romantic subplots feel impersonate and generic. Say what you will about locking the player out of certain romantic interests due to their chosen sex, but at least it gives writers some ground on which to base the relationship on, and it also helps to save resources by not writing two separate routes.

The only relationship in that game that I actually enjoyed was friendship with Varric. Probably because he rolled the highest charisma stat when he was born.

>>2278852
So your deal is that da2 had no sort of development in their romance to explain why an established character like Anders would go the fujo route right? Reasonable, though considering the companions only Anders and Isabella were from previous works.
>>2278847
>it's not as if the dialog hinges on it
Probably their way of trying to enforce 'consequences' for actions. If nothing else, autists will figure out a way to game the system that allows for max romance potential while probably dropping only locking out one or two people.

>>2278856
Aesthetics. Maybe some ninja turtles from space don't like vaginas/dicks/malformed tentacles or whatever.

>>2278859
If some space-age mutant ninja turtle was going to be non-receptive to 'xyz' what makes you think they'd be open to only one of them? They'd probably prefer their 'uvw' and aesthetics is a weak excuse.

>>2278852
While I also dislike "everyone's bisexual", I still prefer it over being locked out of a romance for my favorite character as dictated solely by some arbitrary choice on the developer's part

>>2278862
Well it kinda sounds like there's no pleasing you unless it was an all-lesbian game

>>2278860
I mean, why not? You have humans who masturbate to dog girls but don't like cat girls, some are exclusively into Asians despite being Caucasian themselves, some prefer blonde hair over dark hair, etc. Having a preference for your romantic interest's appearance isn't that strange. Especially if the alien with that preference comes from a world with both male and female individuals.

>>2278852

Itl's a video game anon. Compromises are made for the sake of gameplay.

>>2278864
Because you're thinking in a manner to similar to humans. Which I'll admit is an equally weak argument but everything regarding an alien's attraction to something is conjecture since it'd require a ton of work to divine. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Turians found faces more attractive over bodies. If, for some miracle, MEA has a codex and the codex involves more than a general disclaimer about the races then a more thorough argument for either side could be made. Like if there was a section about Turian art/culture or beauty. That'd work in favor of what you're saying. Considering what we do know, they probably find pragmatism and loyalty attractive though those are not physical traits.

Point is caring about alien sexuality, as an alien in their perspective, is pointless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUxVwHfCYr4&feature=youtu.be

>>2278866
You're forgetting that we know nothing about the character in question. Maybe she doesn't spend a lot of time in the company of other turians; maybe her own views on sexuality and what is considered attractive differ from her fellow space turtles'. Garrus had a preference for women, and somehow almost nobody considered it strange. Tali would only let a man stick his bone into her. Thane couldn't be dicked but was willing to do the dicking. And you could even have sex with Whatshisname Snakeeyes as a female Shepard if you really hated yourself.

This new space ninja turtle isn't the first example of an alien having preferences when it comes to their human partner's sex.

>>2278856
The problem there is if you follow that line of questioning you have to start asking about how all these recognisably humanoid alien races with consistent and familiar male/female traits/voices/names etc. even exist at all and you arrive at the point where you have to either accept that aspect of this kind of "sci"fi or throw the entire thing out.

>>2278862
I can understand the disappointment of not being able to fuck a character you like but I'd much prefer a game with a cast of great fleshed out and properly realised characters, not all of which wish to fuck me. Samara is one of the few ME characters I liked and you can't fuck her.

>>2278865
That's pretty much the exact opposite attitude you need to have when it comes to an RPG. At least this aspect of one anyway.

>>2278863
>an all-lesbian game
Lesbians gaying as far as the eye can see? In my video games? I wouldn't be opposed to more of that.

Pygmalion, more like Bittersweet Ending Simulator 2014.

>>2278874
except i don't? there's a difference between aliens having a dimorphic sex and going so far as to say this alien has a sexuality in regards to something that's not even it's species. i find the latter far less immersive and wonder what the point even is.

>>2278877
Neither would I but that's not gonna happen in a mainstream triple-A title yet

>>2278877
>>2278882
A ME game about the asari pre space.

>>2278884
i want this.

>>2278879
>and wonder what the point even is
Some humans like their humans with red hair. Some humans like their humans with blue eyes.
Some aliens like their humans with tits. Some aliens like their humans with dicks.

>>2278884
They could even do a vampire-styled game where you play an Ardat Yakshi.

>>2278886
>Look, girl, this just isn't going to work out between us. I love you, but I'm just not into -
>-women? I know, I know, it's the same old story - poor little dyke getting a crush on her best friend and making things awkward. I'm sorry, I just really thought you ought to know. I hope we can still be -
>What? No, no, I love the pussy! I just don't date people with blue eyes.

>>2278893
>Hey, look, it's me, Ms. Pointless Comparison. Hope y'all having a great day!
Don't know about you, but I wouldn't consider fucking a stranger who doesn't fit my idea of attractive. Whether it's the eyes or the hair or the genitals.

Now, the second post in >>2278839 talks about possibly changing the romantic interest's opinion about you to consider you both loveable and fuckable, which is fine by me. You build up a relationship, you go past the stage of fucking just because you want to fuck, all is well in the world. But I don't get why some of you people see the problem in an alien having preferences when it comes to shagging a human after they've just met.

>>2278839
So there's a chance for 'conversion'? Like a good amount of /u/ fics/books/some movies where it's 'I'm not gay, I'm just attracted to you and want to fuck your brains out'? If so, that'd be interesting to see how they'll develop when it's the sex they aren't attracted to.

'Conversion' seems like a strong word though.

>>2278929
Conversion is strong and incorrect since conversion usually implies a complete flip to the other side/whatever. MCsexual, like I said , is more fitting unless you wanna get into tumbleh territory. But yes that is the gist of the second part.

>>2278932
Right, missed that with reading everything after. Still, I wonder how much more work that would take to animate/dialogue/etc. to make it feel natural and not hamfisted. The game could be garbage, but if the romances are written good it could be nice. Though it's Bioware romance so I doubt they'd be able to do it right.

>>2278939
My hope, not that there's a lot, would be that it's like Garrus in ME2. You become good friends or so and then when the event happens you can start flirting in earnest. Knowing them it'll probably subtler because of the 'lock'. By that I mean it'll not be as blatant as it was in da2 or the previous ones where they make it super obvious. I suppose me1 style though that'll probably have idiots walking into them.

>>2278929
>'I'm not gay, I'm just attracted to you and want to fuck your brains out'

I would love to see more of this.

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>>2278944

>>2278944
Go read old fanfics. Pretty typical justification that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't.

>>2278832
There will probably be at least one choice that's totally lesbian if that kind of thing actually matters to you, like the co-pilot

And I prefer the more humanoid aliens, wouldn't have gone for the Turian even if she was an option

>>2278839
>guys trust me my dad works for Nintendo
>on /v/
Oh lel

>>2278957
if its untrue i'll be shocked. This sounds exactly like something they'd do.

>>2278958
Anon please, it's like you're new. Claiming they have "leaks" is a shitposting tradition on /v/. On fucking /v/. Leaks happen on Neogaf and twitter. Never fucking ever on this piece of shit site.

It's literally never ever accurate and they try to keep it vague and plausible to bait people in.

>>2278961
Okay by that logic, Vetra is bi. I think everyone on this board knows how to take things with a grain of salt imouto. This ain't /v/ despite you acting like it is.

>>2278962
>This ain't /v/ despite you acting like it is.
You guys were taking that cap seriously.

>>2278961
okay i'll remember this comment in 20 days.

>>2278961
Funny you say that, because even Neogaf makes threads about /v/ leaks. Most of the time they're bullshit, but remember almost everything about FFXV leak turned out to be true.

>>2278852
>I hate it because making everybody magically bisexual undermines them as characters and makes everything feel more artificial and fake which is terrible for an RPG.

Now, I didn't play Dragon Age, but I feel that's something that either people don't approach the right way, or devs are doing something very wrong. I remember people saying they didn't want that in Fire Emblem because everyone being bissexual was weird. Thing is, it doesn't need to be. Games should give this decision to the player more often. Sexuality have almost not influence in the characters personality in Fire Emblem. Hell, they made a girl whom the main trope is how she loved girls and gave her only straight options. I'm pretty sure they didn't change anything about the characters they choose to use for same sex marriage either. So the best approach is leaving the sexuality of those characters for player to decide. If you want to marry a girl with other girl, she's bi or lesbian to you, even if to other players they're straight.

I think every game that involves romance mechanics should use this approach, and those that don't are flawed. (that would be all of them)

I already hate western games but this every character is bi meme is indeed fucking stupid

>>2279000
God, I hate it when games try to cater to me and give me options so I can play the way I want to.

>>2279002
It takes all the meaning off the yuri relationship if the character is fine with whatever

>>2279002
yeah why would anyone pay $60 on an rpg where they can actually tailor their experience? it's much better to have the game romances locked off over something that's going to be inconsequential storywise, lore-wise, and gameplay-wise.

>>2279007
>meaning
You have a choice between a bi "genderless" asari and an inconsequential cast member whose route will be 1/4 the size of the others. really meaningful

>>2279007
>I want a lesbian relationship to be portrayed as natural as a straight one in media
>a character has to be a lesbian or it's not special enough

>>2279007
Bunch of yuri works feature "If it's you then I'm okay with it" scenarios.

>>2279007
If the character won't comment about other preferences if you choose a lesbian relationship it's a non-issue. I swear people are obsessed with the concept of canon when it's a meaningless concept in a fictional story.

>>2279007
Hey, I like having some special yuri-only relationships too, but it really depends on the story.

I mean, if it's an RPG and the character is equally fine with me being short/tall fat/thin human/elf religious/atheist mercenary/goody-two-shoes etc, no reason to make gender the deciding factor. Of course, since I like the validation of having my choices acknowledged, I'd kind of prefer a little bit of dialog touching on ALL of those issues and how they affect the relationship, but I'm okay with them not being dealbreakers.

>>2278982
Absolutely not.

It doesn't really matter for something like one of those town builder games where it's just generic units pairing up, but well written characters you're supposed to get invested in should unquestionably have a defined sexuality if romance/sex is relevant to their interactions. Having some bisexual characters is okay. Even having some characters that initially think they aren't but come to open up to it is okay if you write it well. But unless you're making something specifically about bisexuality, having everyone be conveniently bisexual is insanely lazy and tells me you've put no effort into your characters and likely also your world and plot.

>>2279049
I think the problem that a lot of people have with every romanceable partner being bisexual is that they aren't written for each gender, they just swap a few words and that's it.

If they had more of a reaction and entirely different dialogue based on what gender the MC is I don't think people would have a problem with everyone being bisexual. The problem is the writers either can't be bothered or there's not money to voice thousands of new lines based on whether you pick a male or a female character or something else.

>>2279007
All the meaning is already lost once you're allowed to romance NPCs as a custom character. Everyone willing to romance an ugly jerk is as bad as everyone being bi.
For characters with consistent personality and preferences look elsewhere.

>>2279056
That should be a given for any bisexual character. But no, it has nothing to do with the problem of everyone being bisexual.

Allowing western shit here was a mistake.

>>2279067
You were a mistake.

>>2279067
Don't generalize there is some good western stuff out there. But the shit outnumbers the good by a lot.

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>>2279070
What ever do you mean, anon?

It actually won that stupid award.

>>2279059
Considering I've never played a game where that was the case and a good number of people also haven't, I'd say that's the major problem and they just haven't seen a game where there was good character writing for both genders and it was different enough for people to not say that if the protagonist was genderless it would've been the same.

>>2279072
Stop updating us on this. Stop.

>>2279073
You're still missing the point that it reduces them from distinct characters in a world to "choose your own fuckdoll".

>>2279083
>being gay or straight is what makes a distinct character!

SJWs must love you

>>2279083
You have missed the repeated point that they're already choose-your-own-fuckdoll in games where you can design a custom PC.

>>2279088
>character traits are what make a distinct character
Yes.

>>2279083
>choose your own fuckdoll
That's pretty much every VN with a bland non-character as the MC.

>>2279095
You're saying that not having a sexual preference makes them as trite as a "fuckdoll". you don't get to call it a trait after that comment

>>2279098
My waifu should be designed to love me and only me, not cheat on me with all those other aids-infested players.

>>2279049
Again, it's not about making everyone bi, but about letting the player decide. I played Life is Strange with Max not giving a shit to the boy, so I can see her a lesbian.

We are in a board where 99% of the works discussed are about characters that the creators say "they could be a couple or just friend. You see it the way you want." in the end.

Usually that won't have a big impact in the characterization (unless the character is a pervert) and its better than making everyone straight or gay stereotypes like the mainstream media will usually do.