Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Eldar!

First for Faith and Fire!

Nth for why aren't sisters viable

Is it alright to take two wabosses?

Mortarion is best husbando

>>54071798
They are though.

First for necrons
WE WUZ ORGANIC AN SHEIT

>>54071788

*Drukhari

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Anyone else here play Ulthwe?

>>54071802
If you take anything but warbosses you're a git.

>>54071773
List builder should be brought back. New GW better not be a difference face to cover old GW.
It's a better roster creator than anything else currently available or in development.

So which faction has the best fliers?
What would you fill your airwing detechment with to show superior taste compared to stormraven spammers?

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>>54071817

>>54071818
Fuck off eldar.

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I have OOE and want to build 2-4 carnifexes for him to support. Whats a good equipment loadout now? Do i stick with deathspitters or are the bigger guns worthwhile?

>inb4 OOE buff debate

>>54071828
Lamest eldar have d weapons that automatically hit, combined with psyker pilots.

Their cooler cousins have the most efficient flyers though.

>>54071813
>short range weapons
>WS4+ S3 T3 A1 CCW

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18th for interracial love!

Hypothetical brawl between the two biggest fags here, GGA and RGG. 50PL. Who wins?

>>54071849
>36+2d6 inch first turn movement on an open topped transport with the ability to cheaply take 4 flamers or meltas for the unit inside.

any suggestions for a good case to transport a guard army with like 10 tanks and 100 infantry?

>>54071839
Don't bring OOE if you're using dakkafexes. He only buffs melee hits.

>>54071839
OOE only buffs their hit rolls in Fight phase. You don't run him with shooty fexes. You take them stock with the double scything talons and thresher scythe, add adrenal, and maybe add bio-plasma if you have the spare points.

>>54071873
Gorgons.

>>54071889
So is Nid zilla possible this edition? And playable

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>>54071820
Youse about to go on a trip ya git!

>>54071907
the things have changed old man, melee is in now

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>>54071837

Upset, Mon'keigh?

>>54071907
It's definitely possible, probably not optimal, but you could make a few good lists with it I think.

You need at least some mid-size or small bugs to make it decent, though.

>>54071916
Is a 12 carnifex list doable.

>>54071869
Hello filename.
Got more to show us there anon?

>>54071888
>>54071889
Ya I know its just a melee buff - I was just wondering the extra one melee attack vs the versatility of 6 or d6 shots on the way in.

Is it purely a points saving thing to take the scything talons or is it really worth the trade off?

>>54071921
>le not cannon archon that dont even deserve a model.

>>54071940
No. Carnifexes are only good against certain targets, they're not TAC units. Tarpits will fuck them. Also any decent player will just focus down OOE first turn because he can't hide.

>>54071907
dimachaeron x4
Exocrine x3
Swarmlord
salt and pepper

>>54071848
>Lamest eldar have d weapons that automatically hit

Atleast they don't have strength d

>>54071914
Dose the tellyporta instant kill or do mortal wounds on 6s?

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>>54071945
I could. I have SUCH wonders, anon...Also as for the BSDM thing. I have no idea why I named it that. Most of the shit I have is BSDM. I'm an idiot. Must have been high (medication, not illegal dude weed LMAO shit).

Most of my stuff here is heretical NSFW.

>>54071971

thresher scythes are good against tarpits.

double scything against everything else

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>>54071982
Fuck. Isn't BSDM. It isn't.

>>54071996
Thresher scythe math
>average 8 attacks
>average 4 hits
>average 2.6 wounds against GEQ
>average 1.7 wounds after saves
Congrats your 100+ point Carnifex may have killed two 3-point conscripts on slightly above average rolls.

In only 25 Fight phases he might work his way out of that conscript blob tarpit.

>>54071969
<Adjective> <Noun><Class> is better than <Adjective> <Noun><Class>

>>54069479
>Also, don't pretend WHFB is anything more than Lord of the Rings.

I wasn't? I'm in favour of naming stuff non-generically. WHFB does it the worst.

>>54071973
Wait, Dimachaeron's are good now? I flicked over them and they looked meh.

>>54072048
>now
They were always good anon. The main thing holding them back last edition was being too fucking slow, now they have a 12" move.

>>54072046
>people still getting pissed that GW was told Imperial Guard was not a legally protectable name

Who the fuck cares?

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Dark Eldar battalion.
HQs
-Archon 68pts
power sword, blast pistol
-Succubus 82pts
Glaive, blast pistol

Troops
-5 warriors 35pts
-5 wytches 53pts
agonizer, razorflails (I know but it's all I have for them)
-10 warriors 85pts
splinter cannon

Elites
-8 trueborn 152pts
agoniser, blaster x4
-5 trueborn 95pts
dark lance x2
-5 incubi 90pts

transports
-raider 116pts
dark lance, shock prow
-raider 116pts
dark lance, shock prow
-venom 95pts
splinter cannon

fast attack
-6 reavers 244
heat lance x2, grav talon x2, agoniser
-5 scourges 122pts
power lance, haywirex4

heavy support
-talos 147pts
scalpel, ichor injector, heatlance x2

1500/1500 points

Succubus takes +2 movement, wytches take +1 attack and the reavers take +1 toughness.
Raider one is 5 wytches amd 5 warriors. raider two is 8 trueborn, the archon and the succubus while the venom carries the incubi.

That's all good, right?

>>54071982
You have disappointed me anon
That was a good picture which would've been better as a panel in a really hot comic.

>>54072060
No idea, it's like people don't want their setting to be unique.

>>54072057
That's what I meant. They were too slow to get anywhere but now they have lost all their cool special abilities. But if they're better now, that's interesting. They get a 5++ if they kill an infantry model.

>>54072048
Kills TEQs and vehicles with a turn one charge with assistance from the Swarmlord.

>>54072048
Not him bu i also tought they were meh but i see them getting spam in nidzilla lists.
they are good in nidzilla, because 4 of them can flank an army given their speed i guess.

dont forget at least 3x warrior squad for synapse.

>>54072035

huh, guess you need harupexes then

>>54072060
See
>>54071969

>>54072080
>lost all their cool special abilities
They only had one, which was getting FnP after killing things with a specific weapon, now it's an invuln save. That ability is pretty much inconsequential, it's just a bit of added flavour.

Step 3.1: Choose Unit to Shoot With explicitly states " You may not pick a unit that Advanced or Fell Back this turn, or a unit that is within 1" of an enemy unit."

Does this not mean you will never have an opportunity to fire your Assault Weapons, since it only allows the individual model to fire, but you can never pick the unit that model is in due to step 3.1?

Likewise for Pistols for units within 1" of an enemy. The rule allows MODELS to fire but you'll never be legally able to pick the unit for shooting in the first place.

>>54072066
Haywire bad.
Heat lance good

>>54072094
And? I fail to see the problem with this. This shit has been around for fucking decades. Explain why it's a problem and what should be used instead.

>>54072106
Shit.
Is he right

>>54072106

You're fucking dumb because specific rules overrule generic rules.

Now take your stupid fucking magic cards and shove them right up your blood encrusted hairy asshole, you shit eating card playing rules faggot.

>>54071888

You can build an hald dakkafex, loses just 1 attack compared to a melee fex but retains half of the shooting.

>>54072085
Huh. That's neat.

>>54072088
I see, this makes sense. I wasn't thinking of using multiples of them.

>>54072103
Shit, what am I thinking of? I thought there was a Nid which targetted leaders and shit and hate their brains and got better for it? Wasn't that the Dimacherons? Or something else?

Here's the carrion throne audio book if anyone wants it. Can someone be a bro and toss up a mega or google drive link to paradox?

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByORSmF1JmKyWDVpZzJpa0xQdDA

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>>54072035
whatisbioflail.jpg.png
its4times12hitsvsconscriptsbtfoastramilitarum.gif

>>54072092
Hell no, they're almost as bad and cost almost 3x as much.

Again average 8 attacks, 4 hits
3.33 Wounds
2.77 failed saves

Also I messed up on the Carnifex math, forgot they get -1 AP on the thresher, so they ended up with 2.22 kills.

You're paying 287 points on a Haruspex for an extra 0.55 unsaved Wounds against conscripts. Then they might get an extra two attacks with their claws for killing some and maybe get one more kill.

GW fucked nid MCs again with this Weapon Skill 4+ horseshit.

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>>54072167
>Shit, what am I thinking of?
90 points.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcHS2FKQUWs

>wanted to see Orks vs this meme army
>Immediately tranny

>>54072188

Some units in FWs tuff has half the point cost of what the PL would suggest

I am expecting errata soonish

>>54072181
>whatisbioflail.jpg.png
A weapon that has utterly broken RAW which is about to get FAQ'd to shit

>>54072193
Not this stupid fucking thing again

>>54072188
Ahhh that's it. Thanks bro. Doiii.

>>54071981
Roll a d6, if the result is higher than their wounds they are slain.

So very good at killing weakened characters or light vehicles, not great against big vehicles.

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>>54072193
Why have you brought this to us brother

>>54072184
>GW fucked nid MCs again with this Weapon Skill 4+ horseshit.
Lots of the monsters are very good against vehicles, but not the Haruspex. It's claws do barely as much damage as a melta gun on average. Tyranid monsters aren't bad in general, the Haruspex is just an outlier.

>>54072193
Where is that SoB art from on the thumbnail?

>>54072207
>le butthurt conscript waacfag

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How many Tau Commanders do you own?

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>>54072193

>take below average looking, out of shape, skinny fat, community college drop-out/permanent student dweeb
>put him in bad wig and stereotypically girly clothes that nobody outside Utah wears
>other mentally deficient, emotionally stillborn betafats go wild on the internet

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>>54072213
I thought it was a meme too man, then I got hit wit h the truth

>>54072240
I just got off a 12 hour shift, I wanted everyone to suffer

>>54072258
No idea

>>54072150
Please show me the specific rule that lets you select a unit that has advanced or is within 1" of an enemy in the shooting phase.

>>54072269
5

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Blood Pact artillery army, yay or nay?

>>54071969
This is the 40k equivalent of Khorne Bloodbound Bloodsecrators

I know everyone is getting rustled over Maggotmancer but what the hell is "Slopmaw"

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>>54072275
NOT GOOD ENOUGH. FIND IT FOR ME.

>>54071818
Where Is the source for that pic. My God that is beautiful

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>>54072269

With Coteaz I own one every time he decides to deep strike within fusion range.


>>54072276

The assault weapon type and the pistol weapon type

>b-b-but they just allow you to SHOOT, not to SELECT them to shoot

Don't talk to me or my friendly game stores son ever again.

>>54072291
WHO CARES ABOUT THE NAMES? THE GODS ARE RETARDS. LET THEM CALL THEIR SHIT WHAT THEY WANT. IF IT MEANS MORE UNITS I AM HAPPY.

REeeeEEE!

>>54072244
None of the monsters are good against vehicles except the Trygon. Why? Because it actually has a decent weapon skill and number of attacks.

For some reason the Carnifex, a beast that is supposed to be as good in melee as a Space Marine, is hitting on the same roll as a Guardsman, and then gets a -1 to hit with the Crushing Claws unlike every other Dreadnought equivalent vehicle/monster.

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And war, war never changes.

>>54072092
>>54072035
>>54071996
>>54071971
>>54071940

12 is a lot but you can easily make a carnifex heavy list of 8-10, you just need a good counter to tar pits. Tervigons and 50/50 blobs of gants throw out 60x(4+)S4 shots, rerolling 1s to both hit and wound until the tervigon dies turn 1-2. Even without him they still do well. You will run in to issues with synapse tho if you aren't mindful of it.

I wonder ..if you field 2 tervigons and 2 gant blobs, swarmlord + something for him to torpedo, 2 units of warriors and OOE how many carnifexes you could fit.

>by wonder i mean too lazy to make a list

>>54072302
Nothing in those rules overrides the prohibition on selecting the unit. They only allow MODELS to fire.

Sounds to me you're butt-hurt because the rules don't allow you to shoot.

>>54072267
I play nids dumbdumb, Forge World shit is all full of broken rules and they're working on the FAQ right now. That flail doesn't work the way you think it does.

>>54072115
heat lance expensive :(

>>54071969
How would one even design a Festering Poxshaman? I'd imagine something like a Death Guard guy blinged out with tokens and talismans of rotten wood and moldy feathers, standing in a shuffling sort of pose like a fantasy Orc Shaman, but I think a pose like that would look godawful on a Marine.

Or am I missing some really obvious design choice?

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>>54072193
>17 seconds in
>have to exit tab and purge history

I remember seeing this fanart drawing of a noise marine with a SoB nailed to a shoulderpad or something crazy like that, anyone happen to have that picture on hand?

>>54072327
>swarmlord + something for him to torpedo
Waste of time, take two Flyrants instead so you can charge flyers.

>>54072331

>ACTCHUALLY

You don't play this game IRL and do not have the spine to bring something this stupid up in front of actual people.


You know what happened when in 5th edition terminators did not actually have terminator armor listed in their wargear?

People still played them as terminators. That's because in real life people have agency over the games they play and do not require the rulebook to spend 10 pages defining the difference between "selecting to shoot" and "shooting". Giving into this sort of ridiculous rules binding is partially what caused Warmahordes to sink like a stone.


I believe you may be more inclined to play Magic the Gathering rather than something that requires even a modicrum of player agency or interpretation over the rules. You should go to their general thread.

>>54072193
This is the dude who wants female Space marines. Twitter wars happen over his utter crap.

>>54072338
>That flail doesn't work the way you think it does.

Then it's not op.
Guardfag btfo once again.
When will they learn ?

>>54072150
Where did the magic player touch you, anon?

>>54072396
savage

>>54072320
Its a shame such an iconic monstrous creature always gets shit on by mediocre rules. Yeah he's better in 8th than before but its still weaker than a lot of other options.

If you want a carnifex to take out tanks get the FW stonecrusher because his claws actually give +1 to hit against big targets.

If you want a carnifex to be an all comer, give it talons and a gun - deathspitters if you're playing points, stranglethorn if you're doing power, and bio plasma.

If you want a carnifex to take out blobs, use termigants instead.

>>54071839
There is no debate. OOE buff Carnifexes, not CARNIFEXES. One is a specific unit, the other all units with a specific keyword.

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>tfw no rules for Kruellaga The Vile

>>54072181
>within 2"

>>54072426

right on page 251 of the expanded rules handbook published online and updated every week in its full 567 page format where it CLEARLY DEFINES my asshole as "a booty bothered outward facing port that extrudes mostly solid bodily waste"

Right there, clear as crystal. Right on the fucking stack.

>>54072388
In the random list i pulled out of my ass you're absolutely correct.

>>54071871
Who?

>>54072275
Do you have link to that MWG batrep with trap in orange wig?

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>tfw spent two hours of my life picking this shit apart that some tardnugget put together with 4 pots of super glue

One of them is missing an engine though which is pretty gay, any thoughts? I'm thinking chop another engine block in half and fill the blank space with vox, backpacks and shit like that.

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When you realise marines not immune to fear anymore and dont autopass morale.

>>54072487
>not immune to fear
fear is gone?
>dont autopass morale
they never did?

>>54071947
I'm pretty sure you're better off taking some death spitters than having the one extra attack in melee

>>54072452
I remember once in /hhg/ yes, yes, I know there was some magic player arguing on a rules interpretation on the basis on the stack, and failing to understand that the stack does not appear anywhere in the 40k ruleset. Fucking magic players.

>>54072440
I actually think his rules are appropriate now. The ridiculous Strength 9 made sense when the Fex was the only Monstrous Creature other than the Hive Tyrant that the Tyranids had. But now they have many, many other monsters, most of them a lot bigger and it simply didn't make sense anymore that a Carnifex has S9 while a Haruspex, who's literally twice the size of a Carnifex, bumbles around at S7. Now they are among the weaker monsters as they should be and the only thing they've got going for them is the list of options.

But they're still not bad and all the idiots that claim Carnifexes are shit have never taken a look at the point lists.

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Nob is nob.
Nob in termy armor is Meganob.
Nob in centurion armor is Giganob.
Nob in Dreadknight armor is Ultranob!

>>54072500
well autoregroup, you get what i mean

>>54072487
Neither are custodes, amusingly.

>>54072321
Angry idiots beating each other to death with guns, that's war alright.

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>>54072520
We waz Nobz and shite.

>>54072283
bump

>>54072513
Haruspex is Strength 14 with its claws. Your argument is not taking into account weapons.

Yes the Carnifex should have a lower base strength but its scything talons shouldn't be strength user, they should be at minimum a +1.

Also the crushing claws shouldn't be -1 to hit, if anything they should have a bonus to hit vehicles.

>>54072283
Yay

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Can love bloom on the battlefield, /tg/?

>>54072283
Yay, I like it.

>>54072487
Fucking finally. Now all those thousands of morale-lowering rules won't ping off that one army that fucking everyone plays anymore.

>>54072487
But conscripts basically are ATSKNF

>>54072338
FW will fix the conscript meta

Any tips for someone trying to start admech? I've heard Vanguards are usually the better choice over Rangers, but are the snipers Rangers get any good?

>>54071821
Ok.

>>54072564
Of course, why shouldn't it? Although he is far too humanlike to be an Astartes.

>>54072193
Is that art from the roleplaying games? I don't want to ask for source on their page as it's giving him/it comments. Also what an arrogant cunt assuming people want to send him free stuff.

>>54072568

Except most of those morale-lowering rules are gone now.

>>54072445
That's what "Counts As" is for, Anon :^)

>>54072487

Good, they shouldn't ignore basic game mechanics.

Also they have to lose 3 or more guys in a single turn before any squad has to take a morale test, which they can still reroll.

>>54072508

nah /hhg/ is okay. I just think theres a distinction between a well written and balanced ruleset and one that doubles the volume of its book just so that everything is spelled out so that a lawyer could argue it.

How fucking unnecessary. Do you know how much of the warmahordes rules section is dedicated to dumb shit like this?

Its a good idea in places where there's clearly going to be confusion but stuff like saying "well this part says select to shoot while the actual rules says shoot, ergo pistols cant shoot in combat" is more like a filter that lets everyone know who is a sociopath in their play group.

>>54072523
>regroup
you mean that thing thats gone?

Re-rolling morale across the board is appropriate

>>54072602
How do I count as a special character who used dildo spikes to 'suck the vital essence' out of her targets and drank it to empower herself? Succubus?

Lelith Hexpasras, Eldrad and Jain Zar don't have Ynnari keyword.

Also, Lelith or whatever, what Combat Drug do I give her? +1T? Or do I just roll?

>>54072560
Oh, I was just talking stats from their last Cruddex, where the 'spex had S7 and his claws gave a staggering +1S.

I think his S14 right now is perfectly fine.

I also think the WS of 4+ is retarded. 3+ would have been alright. Maybe Crushing Claws should just be "-1 To Hit against Infantry". Then they'd be worth it against tanks. It's just stupid that the Carnifex misses two third of his attacks when swinging against a tank.

That said, with how cheap he is, those are petty annoyances for the most part.

>>54072636
Lelith have combat drugs?

My group being a bunch of casuals has adopted both 8th edition and even worse power points.

I need some examples of the most abusive lists possible to dissuade them against both.

I'm thinking of a slow escalation of cheese as not to be too obvious. Start spamming combi weapon terminators with chainfists ( for the same points as naked ones.lol) and work my way to conscript spam, bubble, daisy chains etc.

JESUS FUCK

JUST GIVE US THE NEW CODEX RELEASES

>>54072636
+1S so she isn't just tickling people with S3 attacks

>>54072680
Done :)

Check your e-mail

>>54072671
>to dissuade them against both.
You're... actually trying to argue against playing 8th edition?

>>54072564
Sure. Marines may be sterile, but they can still fuck and Sisters never take vows of chastity. Actually a pretty smart match. They can both vent the frustration of a thousand bloody wars without risk of the sister getting pregnant.

>>54072601
Tell that to a Death Guard army with Blightbringers and Icons of Despair.

>>54072636
>>54072668
So she does... what retard wrote that index?

>>54072671

I think showing them death watch in general can change their minds on power levels

but t b h a bunch of casuals bringing reasonable lists isn't going to break power levels, you have to be a pretty deliberate asshole to do it. So if you're the only one ruining things, you are officially That Guy.

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>>54072636
They don't have the Ynnari Keyword, but they have Aeldari.

And so they can get the ynnari keyword.

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Does anyone else miss the 4th edition codexs? I loved the character put into them by the writers and the obscene amount of fluff. I hope the 8e codexs will be something like them instead of the 6/7th ed ones, they were so boring

>>54072668
Yup.

>>54072683
Fair enough. I thought about that. Problem is it means I have to pick for every other unit. Not that I take many.

>>54072671
You have to pay power levels for conscripts. Just find things with a shit ton of options and spam them, like command squads and the like.

>>54072700
Lel. That means every single special character can get it. Also Drazhar seems pretty good with a unit of Incubi.

Holy shit I can't wait for this FAQ and new codices to come out just so you fucking rules autists can quit trying to break the game with RAW/RAI and this god damn general returns to normal :^)

>>54072513
hey i posed the original question, having never fielded carnifexes. how should i equip them? I'm going to make 4 to go with my ooe, who i may or may not use depending on battle size. I just love the look of them so much ...

>>54072283
Yay

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>>54072703
Every fucking day, anon. Every fucking day.

>>54072724
pretty much.

Not sure why you thought otherwise.

>>54072694
it's not a mistake, it's a fluff update. your eldar god of death has become real and your space port homeworld got wrecked, why not take some drugs to calm your nerves?

>>54072729
what makes it worse is there's only 15 pages of rules and what's on the page of the unit.

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>>54072520
When Nob is Primarch he is Nobmarch

>>54072703

I miss my nids with old rending raveners and dakkafexes and my crons being teleported around by unkillable monoliths

>>54072703

All of my favorite codexes are from that era, both 40k and fantasy.

Daemonhunters, Witchhunters, Marines with traits and flaws, IG with regimental rules, Bretonnia army book, the old ass Empire army book

They were all amazing and Karl Kapinsky was at his fucking A++ game with the art.

Also the BL books from that era had some gems like Eisenhorn, the Ben Counter Grey Knight series, etc

I'm itching to play a Close Combat army this edition, anyone have any suggestions? I'm eyeing DeathWatch right now, really like the look of their models.

>>54072545
Yar!

>>54072703
I loved the 4th edition chaos codex ( I think it was 4th but I started in 5th) with all of the little stories and snapshots in it
gave it some character I think

>>54072738
Honestly? I forgot. So much new stuff to adsorb and I'm a retard, I don't have Girlyman autism, sadly.

>>54072508

Warhammer desperately needs rules as well written as they are in magic. Then at least you won't spend most of the game either arguing with your opponent about rules, or ignoring obvious rules fuck ups because you don't want to have another argument as the rules are totally arbitrary and up to interpretation.

I can count on my hands the times in the last decade plus I've had a magic rules argument and all of those had a clear answer in the rules.

Also bonus hilarity in this edition of 40k you can literally spend command points to re-roll the 'most important rule' roll to determine who is 'correct'.

So if I decide my conscripts have toughness 7 and my opponent disagrees I can just roll higher with a reroll and my unit becomes toughness 7. (Yes that's a simplistic example, but it's trivial to work out vaguely debatable ones that can swing games)

Such a beautiful game.

>>54072737
This was the second best codex GW ever made

>>54072636
>Lelith or whatever, what Combat Drug do I give her?

NONE! LELITH IS PURE AND 100% NATTY!

>>54072753
Orks.

>>54072740
Its just faggots being faggots, the butthurt niggers that are trying to find exploits since they cant just take 6 riptides allied with their IG artillery corp anymore.

>>54072740
Yea, Vect himself send all hist best men to find Yvraine, they dont, the whore Hesparax who just know how to swing dagger goes into the webway and finds her. Fucking best fluff in the world!

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>>54072770
She didn't get her Sasha Grey face naturally, anon.

>>54072731
If you play OOE, then all Scything Talons, all the time. I mean, maybe one with Crushing Claws because the -1 To Hit doesn't sting so bad with OOE along. If you do give one Crushing Claws, make sure the other arms are holding guns, because the combination of Claws + Talons gives you precisely nothing.

Also if you do play a Carnifex horde like that, consider including either a Tyrannofex or an Exocrine because you're going to need at least some fire support. Hell, a Tyrannofex with a Fleshborer Hive might give you the answer to the horde problem your fexes have.

>>54072691
Yes

If you remove formations, limit super heavies in 7th and don't play with 'tactical objectives ( i.e. 30k) it's a far superior game in every respect.

8th is like 4E D&D more 'balanced' at the expense of being a bland product for kiddies.

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>>54072729
Pretty sure Codexes are just going to be reprints of whats in the index, but with an added 100 pages of text and pictures unrelated to playing the game.

>>54072762
>Game where you literally only sit at a table and place cards on it
>Game where you need a 6foot by 4foot table minimum and have to actually think what you're doing instead of getting a lucky pull form deck

Yeah cant imagine why they cant write a ruleset as solid as a game that requires 0 thought process

>>54072762
>So if I decide my conscripts have toughness 7 and my opponent disagrees I can just roll higher with a reroll and my unit becomes toughness 7. (Yes that's a simplistic example, but it's trivial to work out vaguely debatable ones that can swing games)
Wow you seem like a rational and fun person to play games with

>>54072796
>If you remove formations, limit super heavies in 7th and don't play with 'tactical objectives ( i.e. 30k) it's a far superior game in every respect.
No, it's not.

>>54072691
Broken and bland versus broken and tons of toys...hmm, I'll take flavor with my poison. Also, Scatterbike spam is less boring than Stormraven Spam IMO. At least it was relatively fragile.

>>54072762

Like I said earlier in the thread, I hope the requirement for interpretation in the rules stays because it makes it really easy to spot sociopaths like >>54072762

You should seek help

>>54072753
Grey Knights or Orks

>>54072759
Eh, I started my Chaos army a few months before that Codex came out and I gotta say, the 3rd Ed Codex was way more fun to just mess with.

>>54072796
>8th is like 4E D&D
I could not have said it better myself.

>>54072798
>Pretty sure Codexes are just going to be reprints of whats in the index, but with an added 100 pages of text and pictures unrelated to playing the game.
I think its safe to assume we will be getting an Allegiance system similar to what AOS has. Unique psyker powers, special items, warlord traits, etc. if your army is composed entirely of one faction.

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>>54072786
Incorrect.

>>54072570
Rangers are only good in min squads with max snipers and an Omnispex, IMO.

When set up like that, though, Arquebi are shiny as hell. Commissar? BLAM. Captain? Couple turns of BLAM. Wounded vehicle? S7 BLAM with a little luck.

They're not TERRIFYING, but they're pretty damn good for what they do and will blast away at your opponent's characters, allowing you to disable all the buffs on the section of his army you're about to have the Vanguard, Kastelans and Neutronagers dissect like an uppity Tyranid against Anzion himself.

Also, laugh when you get a lucky crit in and tear half the wounds off Rowboat Girlyman, or kill that Captain in one volley from the sexiest looking special weapon in the game. Love that model, so I'm going to run four.

>>54072796

Hi my name is psyker spam, oh guess our games over you're already dead.

>>54072753
Deathwatch is a shooting army.

Play Orks or Chaos for melee. Chaos gets berzerkers and chosen, Orks everything is melee.

>>54072838
Plus at least something like chapter tactics or army specific relics

>>54072796
I don't know why you'd try to inflict 7e on yourself. 8e is generally considered by the community to be one of the most balanced editions of 40k to date, and the primary issue it has, blandness, is something that will be solved with the forthcoming codices. If, for some reason, you didn't want to play the edition that the vast majority of the community will be playing, why in the world would you pick 7e of all editions? Go back to one of the earlier, much more balanced and diverse editions, if you don't want to play 8e.

>>54072798
>posts a picture that literally says Codexes will have tons of new content including Stratagems, Warlord Traits, new wargear and Relics
>says dumb retard shit that is contradicted by the picture he posted himself
wew

>>54072803
Magic rules are far more complicated than warhammer will ever be and yet the game is perfectly playable even with the most complex of interactions.

Warhammer writers can't even be fucked to write a half decent USR database where as there's literally 100s of magic keywords which is one of the many reasons it's so streamlined and simple to play compared to warhammer.

>>54071962
OK kid.

>>54072812

Ah its our old friend "Eldar were underpowered if you didn't spam scatterbikes"

Good to see he's still around after professing he would leave and never come back to 8th.

Are Dark Imperium Death guard viable if doubled up?

>>54072835
Except that 4e had such a poor reception primarily because it was so out-of-line for the rest of the franchise that people felt that it wasn't the same game anymore. 8e is largely borrowing mechanics from earlier editions, and is very recognizably 40k.

If you're going for the sense of blandness and lack of options, codices will most likely solve this.

>>54071969
Jesus, this reads like a 3rd grade writing assignment.

>>54072859

You realize the full edition of the magic rulebook online is literally hundreds of pages long for just the rules and definitions sections right?

>>54072365
It's probably just a human that has the Poxwalker virus thing or something.

>>54072445
master blaster
?

>>54072798
You literally posted a picture proving you wrong.

>>54072835
What would 40k Pathfinder look like? In b4 "spamming Markerlights"

Whats the best fw guard tank? I'm looking for a fun centrepiece. The Macharius Vulcan looks fun, 30 s6 ap-2 if you don't move.

>people still complaining about blandhammer when codexes haven't even BEGUN releasing yet
Where's that bingo board pic

>>54072853
Yeah exactly.

Chapter Tactics = Battle Trait
Warlord Trait = Command Trait
Relics = Artifacts
Psychic Lore = Spell Lore

The recent AOS battletomes are gorgeous full colour hardback books that have tons of fluff and crunch, as well as loads of hobby info, and are significantly cheaper than the 7th ed codexes. If we get anything less than that level of quality then I will be sorely disappointed.

>>54071969
Stale. Boring.
Stop posting this a dozen times a week.

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>>54072812
>he didn't live through WAAC eldar lists from the last few years

>>54072900
30k with xenos

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>>54072840
Does this look like the face of a straight edged Eldar?

>>54072897
The what now? Afk now but I shall get back to why you asked me this.

Name one thing you miss from previous editions

>Force Commander
Having a captain lead a patrol group seems unfluffy.

>>54072881
Its just that you got lubed by Age of Shitmar before GW fucked you in the ass.

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>>54072859
Yeah its definitively not the fact that those
""""""hundreds of rules""""""" are cycled through constantly and phased in and out. The fact you can even argue magic takes a modicum of brain power other than "shit I need more lands in my decks" how disconnected you are from reality.

I'll bet you're the guy who would hover over complete strangers games and correct them on rules

>>54072915
Drugs make your face goofy, anon. You've got it the wrong way round.

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>>54072908
Except the Seraphon one which was full of fucking retarded stupid shit art.

Look at this. They don't have eyes. This is COMPLETELY wrong.

So just to clarify
If your 6+ armor save gets hit by any sort of save, it's impossible to make that save right?
It's not like Shadow War where you need to roll a 6 and then another dice?

>>54072283
Yay

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>>54072906

>>54072890
I'll take a a massive rules set that when learned means I don't ever have to worry about rules issues again to a 20 page written by an intern on the back of a receipt rules set piece of shit that will cause every game to devolve into roll offs to decide the myriad rules complications that will come up.

>>54072916

At least marines have lieutenants again

>>54072904
Shadowsword if you want to kill big things, vulcan if you want to kill many things.

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>>54072933
wow that's pretty atrocious.

>>54072925
7e was a complete clusterfuck. 8e is legitimately fun to play, and offers more decisions already, with a fraction of the options that 7e had. It's a step up.

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>>54072943

If you're trying to roll off because you think pistols aren't allowed to shoot into combat, you need to roll the fuck outta here and spend your command point to make sure you make it to your moms car.

>>54072927
What is legacy? What is vintage? What is EDH? ( A fucking casual format with more complexity than any edition of 40k since 2nd)

>>54072838
>>54072853
>>54072908
In totality, Codexes will give us:

New Warlord Traits
New Stratagems (these will be major)
Expanded Psychic tables
Customizable "Chapter Tactics" with preset options like Kharadron Overlords have, for every Faction (so Regiment Tactics, Hive Fleet Tactics etc)
Relics
More wargear and upgrades
New Detachments
New model releases

>>54072812
Let me tell you something I learned from Age of Sigmar:

Less options and flavor in the rules can end up giving you more options and flavor when modeling.

If your boss dude has a dozen different weapons to choose from, you'll feel obliged to not just use the rules of those, but also to model some of those.

But on a model that gets one combination of weapon, you can suddenly get crazy creative with modeling because whatever weapon you build the guy, it will always count as the same thing and no WYSIWYG faggot can tell you otherwise.

For example: A Vampire Lord has a Vampiric Sword. Period. Now if I want my Vampire Lord to wield two swords, or a bigass axe or whatever, I can totally model that on, knowing full well that when it comes to fielding this model, he will get to use the same in-game profile of "Vampiric Sword" as any other Vampire Lord.

However, if my Chaos Space Marine Sorcerer can choose between "Force Sword", "Force Axe" and "Force Stave" I will feel obliged to make whatever I give him fit one of those three weapons.

While I have thrice as many options in the crunch, I limited my modeling options from virtually infinite to sword/axe/stave.

Sure you could technically give him anything and count it as whatever you want, but honestly, how many people actually do that?
How many CSM Sorcerers with halberds, flails, twin swords or lances have you seen so far?

>>54072955
7e was still better than 8e

>>54072844
Any advice on what the general make up of an admech force should be? Most of the people I play with are new so we're only playing around 1k points at the moment.

>>54072854
8e is also a game with a shitload of willing suspension of disbelief, from Imperial Bastions spinning around like Beyblades so they can fire all their weapons, to Inferno Cannons being better AA than crowd control, to Grey Hunters being able to smuggle a Wolf Guard Terminator in a Rhino, to plasma blowing up at nighttime, to being able to hem in a Land Raider with a single Grot.

There's quite a lot that 8th screwed up, and half the reason people aren't hating it is because "at least it's not 7th".

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>>54072963
>arguing complexity in rules is better
>7th edition

Have you ever actually played a game of 40k or are you just made your MTG general keeps getting bumped off the board by real games?

>>54072985
Can 1 man have this much of a shit opinion?

>>54072963

>heres a list of cards you cant use

>you can put your general in this spot and always summon him. When he dies you add 1 to his mana cost

such beauty

such depth

>>54072269
Not enough.

>>54072996
>to plasma blowing up at nighttime
I don't get this reference.

Newb trying to learn the rules here, if I decide to charge a target and don't land a long enough charge to get into melee, does the charge fail completely or can I still move my models that distance after the enemy does overwatch?

>>54072985
Not in any way, shape, or form

Anyone who legitimately wants to stay with 7th instead of going to 8th is clearly a fucking newfag with no experience.

The realistic option is go to 8th or play 3.5

>>54072985
Would you mind elaborating on why you think that is the case?

As far as I can tell:
7e: Has a lot more options, but the vast majority of those options are shit compared to the small number of top-tier things, including entire factions which are essentially unplayable at a competitive level.
8e: Basically everything is in the right ballpark in terms of balance, though a few tweaks may be necessary (and we've been promised that there will be yearly tweaks to address these issues). While we have less total options than 7e, the options we do have are almost all viable in some circumstance, and we lack truly trash-tier factions. What we lack in flavor we'll be getting in codices. Melee is actually viable, psychic phase doesn't dominate the game. The main arguments for loss of tactical depth are vehicle facing and templates, which were both major sources of dispute during organized events.

>>54072276
How many stores have banned you so far, Phoenix Wright?

>>54072933
I did say RECENT battletomes. Seraphon was really lackluster, but Stormcast, Tzeentch, Sylvaneth, Bonesplitterz, Beastclaw, Kharadron, and Khorne were all great books.

>>54073031
Night fighting gives hit penalties

If you roll a 2 to hit and then the -1 brings you to 1 your plasma gun gets hot.

>>54073040

You move your models the distance you rolled on the charge roll.

>>54073040
Nope.
They overwatch, and if you fail the charge, you stay still.

>>54073031
-1 to hit at night. More chance of overheats.

>>54073060
Gets Hot applies on a roll of 1, not a result of one. Modifiers don't matter.

>>54073040
If you can't get within 1" of any of the targets of your charge you don't get to move.

>>54073068
No you don't, read the rules.

>>54073070
If you fail the charge you move the distance you rolled. You need an 8 and roll a four? move four

>>54072943
>im misunderstanding the rules on purpose because I want to get into arguments with my opponent wahhhh GW why didnt you write the rules to conform to my unique brand of autism

>>54073068
Wrong

Dark angels player here. Just bought new codex. Can my chapter master(captain) take a blade of caliban?
He could in my old codex and I don't see why shouldn't be able to now.

The blade is in the index but I'm unsure as to whether he can take one or not.

>>54073031
The FAQ states that re-rolls apply before roll modifiers, and roll modifiers can affect rolls of 1s or 6s.

Rolling a 1 to hit with overcharged plasma autokills you. Night Fight is -1 to hit. So rolls of 2 also auto-kill you. Just don't fire at a vehicle with Smoke Launchers, or else it's now a 1-3 that kills you.

>>54073031
It's been FAQd that overcharged plasma doesn't blow up on a NATURAL 1. It blows up on a MODIFIED 1. So if you shoot at a supersonic flyer at night time, your overcharged plasma gun will blow up on rolling 3 or lower.

>>54073060
>>54073074
>>54073084
All because GW can't define what a fucking natural roll is.

>>54073084
It should be that way, but it isn't. The Designer's Commentary explicitly spelled this out.

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>>54072979
>Sure you could technically give him anything and count it as whatever you want, but honestly, how many people actually do that?

How many people actually model their vampire lord with a different weapon. Every vampire I have seen always has the sword on their model. And what's the point, people can still just use whatever they want on their Chaos Sorcerer and it doesn't matter, what is your point?

Less options gives more model creativity? No it doesn't.

More options gives you more creativity, and more stats to choose to represent your converted shit. Like I could give my Chaos Sorcerer 2 power sword, and use the stat line for a Power Axe and pay the points, because I feel that represents it's strength. While in your system I would always be stuck with "Power sword."

Pic very related

>>54073090
Holy shit no you don't. LITERALLY 8 PAGES OF RULES FUCKING READ THEM.

"If this is impossible, the charge fails and no models in the charging unit move this phase."

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>>54072996
>Spinning towers
wat
>flamer AA memes
stop being retarded and flying into 8' range guns fucktard
>smuggle single models
"yeah no way bro we're in the same force but you cant ride with us even though we have the space"
>Plasma at night
>implying plasma isnt fucking hot at night
>implying nat 1 isnt how nonautists would play it

Have you had yourself checked for autism lately?

>>54073031

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So /Tg/, what's your expectations of the future primaris releases?

>>54073105
That is retarded

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>>54072985

>>54073106
Worse, they intentionally made it this way. Who the fuck knows why. Probably because that retard Cruddace is on the design team.

>>54072940
>using shitty v memes here
we already know codex's are coming, this isnt something new that GW has done, making a new rule set and putting out books with barebones rules as a stopgap until each army gets a dex

>>54072445
My life was blissful ignorance before I saw this model.

>>54073129

Because more defense against plasma spam is probably a good thing

>>54073084
Wrong. Roll = result, there is no distinction.

Modifiers directly effect the roll.

>>54073008

>heres a list of cards you cant use

I know a company caring about their game and formats being balanced rather than letting the bullshit fester until they sell their abuse victim fans something else which inevitably has its own bullshit and so it repeats.

>>54072913
>Not playing a WAAC list.

why even play at all.

>>54072859
Magic literally need to pass a written and oral exam to qualify as the lowest level of someone that know rules and is allowed to resolve disputes, and you need at least one of them to organise a tournament.

>>54072788
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking of fielding 5 max including OOE, but thought giving up one scything talon attack was worth it to gain 6 deathspitter shots.

>>54073163

You're not helping your argument for staying with 7th when you frame it as Stockholme syndrome m8.

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thoughts?

>>54073129
Probably to "balance" overcharged plasma. But killing the model on a natural 1 is a bad enough penalty.

Is there a clear "Best" when it comes to big choppas VS power klaws for units like trukk boys, warbikers, stormboys.

>>54073088
>>>54073068

You guys should both roll off for it as either one of you could be right.

Hope you have command points left.

>>54073156
They could do this by increasing the points cost of plasma, instead of intentionally writing the rules to make no sense.

>>54073114
An Imperial Bastion has 4 emplaced Heavy Bolters, each on separate sides of the building. It can fire all 4 at the same location at once, because you "measure from the hull"

Grey Hunter Terminators do not have the Terminator Keyword. If they did, the entire unit would have the Terminator Keyword, because GW doesn't know how to apply keywords mixed unit profiles (look at Deathwatch).

Inferno Cannons are range 12 on a fast tank. They do 2 wounds per flame. Flyers have to move.

The FAQ explicitly said that's what Plasma does.

>>54073105
>>54073157
Just double-checked the FAQ. Night-fighting and Hard to Hit increasing plasma-explosions is correct, but very stupid.

After reading the rule regarding applying modifiers first, I figured "Hey, that's not TOO bad, as it's still only 1/6th of the time that you'll get the exact result to end up at a 1 after modifiers." But no, another FAQ says that roll results cannot be reduced below 1, meaning that yes, in fact, your gun explodes more if you shoot it at night.

Why.

>>54073186
>You guys should both roll off for it as either one of you could be right.
Wrong, the core rules spell it out clearly.

Rolling off is only for resolving disputes that aren't clear in the rules.

>>54072753

Orks or chaos

>>54073050
Because it have alot of rules that acually flesh out the units and stuff, like Bikers and Assault Marines slam into the enemy with Hammer of Wrath, concentrated beams pierce thru armor with Lance rule, tervigons turns to dust under Huskblades Instant Death and stuff.

Even the mighty tank can explode in fiery blast if hit in fueltank with high caliber weapon, almost everyone have 1 wound and 1 failed save bring their doom, and even the mightyest heros can be blown up to shreds if shot point blank with tank cannon.

A psyker could destory the Imperial Knight by tearing the very fabric of existance, yet doing so most likely will condemn his sould the the terrors of the warp.

IT WAS CARNAGE. IT WAS DEATH. IT WAS ONLY WAR.

Not its shitty RTS with everybody having a health bar,

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>>54072193
well hello there

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>>54073114
>>Spinning towers
>wat

A bastion can always shoot you with all it's guns, same as a vehicle. There are no facings so the building somehow manages to curve it's bullets to hit enemies it couldn't even see from the firing point.

>>flamer AA memes
>stop being retarded and flying into 8' range guns fucktard

Don't you think it's at least a least bit retarded that a flamer tank, which is meant for killing infantry, is best used killing flyers? Also it moves 10" and can catch up with flyers if it is 20" away.

>>Plasma at night
>>implying plasma isnt fucking hot at night
>>implying nat 1 isnt how nonautists would play it

Night fighting gives hit penalties

If you roll a 2 to hit and then the -1 brings you to 1 your plasma gun gets hot.

This is confirmed in the FAQ by the writers, so if you don't use it you're cheating and not playing the game as intended.

>>54073068
How can anyone be so bad at reading

>>54073118
More units with autistic equipment options

aka none

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>>54073153
"It was a different time" -Sam Raimi

>>54073180
Fucking awesome that they're giving Hydra a spotlight again.

>>54073180
Absorbing all the Biomass, Biomorphs, and general knowledge of previous Hivefleets without having to play trial and error and make mistakes like their predecessors. That or Shitface is writing Tyranids again and just can't help himself.

>>54072269
I think roughly 30 of them.

>>54073189

You're clearly a newfag if you actually expect any sort of clarity from GW and don't just take the matter into your own hands.

Either just ask your opponent if you want to run it as natural 1's, since he probably has plasma too or god forbid maybe even discuss it with your stores regular crowd.


You clearly haven't actually played this series in person much.

>>54073219
Wut you imagine cool amazing battles when you play? What are you nerd? Its not like we selling all this fluff to make the game represent legendary battles of 40th millenium and without it its just a bunch of plastic.

Returning player here.

I really like Nidzilla. I know massed cheap singlewound units are king now and thus Nidzilla isn't really that good.

But I really want to play that style and would use rather few gaunts and focus my troops more on warriors.

Would this fuck me over entirely or is there a way to pull this off?

>>54072877
Well, the way I see it:

Poxwalkers, the Plaguecaster, the Blightbringer and the Drone are perfectly viable.

The Lord of Contagion is a horribly overcosted mess that gives less support to his army that a barebones Chaos Lord would for less than half his price tag.

The Plague Marines are theoretically good, but aren't very well equipped. The only reason to give the Champion a Power Fist is because of his option to take a Power Fist and a Plasma Gun (Gun, not Pistol) together and aside from the Champ the unit itself is also missing a second Plasma Gun.

You could also wait until the Easy to Build Poxwalker and Plague Marine boxes come out. More Poxwalkers are always welcome and the Marines come with the Blight Launcher, which is miles better than the Plasma Gun.

Also, you want Helbrutes and Predators far more than a second set of the characters.

>>54073216
The issue is that all of those interactions and possibilities mean nothing if they don't result in a playable game. 7e was widely considered as being rules-bloated, and many of the interactions were broken or had unintended consequences. A lucky shot with a high-caliber weapon one-shotting a tank may have been cool, but it largely contributed to vehicles being considered shit in 7e outside of parking lots which relied on your opponent simply not having enough AT to counter you.

>>54073202
Grey hunter terminators dont exist you fucking nigger. If you're gonna try to break the god damn game at least know what you're doing. Blood Claws and GHs can take a Wolf Guard terminator as a squad leader.

>>54073213
If you're having an argument about it it's a dispute and you need to roll off.

It doesn't matter if you think the rules say you're right, no matter how obvious it might be to you, as your opponent believes the same.

So enjoy your roll off , it's what you get when you have a game with a shitty rules set.

>>54073219
Is there a rule that a dice roll can never be modified below 1 or above 6 ? Otherwise plasma at night only overheats on the roll of a 3, which is still a 1 in 6 chance.

>>54073216

I think you've just outted yourself as having never actually played this game.

>>54073238
The people writing tyranids are Phil Kelley and Andy Chambers

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>>54073258
I want to see Nidzilla's again, would play you once you figure it out anon

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>>54073238
>That or Shitface is writing Tyranids again and just can't help himself.
No, this is definitely a Phil Kelly inclusion since he's friends with Hydra and his 4th ed Codex was the one that established the lore about Tyranid Hive Fleets cannibalizing each other to make a stronger fleet better than the sum of its parts.

>>54073265
Which in turn does not have the Terminator Keyword, letting it ride in a Rhino alongside said Blood Claws or Grey Hunters.

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>>54072564
Found a better pic

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>>54073256
I'm so depressed anon, I love my Vostroyan army, and my Renegade + Chaos army. But now it's so bland. The only somewhat interesting army is guard, and that's just because some of the orders are fun.

>>54073279
>>54073289
>The two people that wrote the best Tyranid codex are writing the new one.
My penis just exploded.

Phil is the spirtual liege of xenos
Eldar, Tau, and Nids preserved under his watchful gaze. Either you have someone in development who plays your army or you're are a garbage npc

>>54073263
>>7e was widely considered as being rules-bloated
By retards with goldfish memory.

You can play fine by just being good at strategy and using environment to your advantage.

>>54073279
>Andy Chambers
>working for GW again
Pray we could be so lucky. Alas this is almost definitely not true.

>>54073309
>Not brutally slaughtering the SoB in order to anoint his armour with her blood, thus making this uncorruptable warrior uncorruptable to the influence of Khorne

am I dumb or doesn't it make any difference if you take a mixed imperium army rather than a "pure" specific imperial army

>>54073274
Kek, what?

>>54073263
Tanks weren't one-shotted in 7e, as much as they were HP-stripped or Grav-immobilized. Give an extra HP or few to most vehicles, and make Grav "stun" instead of Immobilize on 6s and you fix half the issues with 7e vehicles.

>>54073296
well thats because the blood claws are just pups, and dont take up as much room as full grown marines

>>54073180
>KRONUS

>>54072844
speaking of rangers, i plan to run two 5 tinmen squad with one arquebus each, for 1000pts, will this do ?

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>>54073296
No, you're a dumb faggot who cant read

>>54073336
>kills a SoB so you can blood up your armor once, or keeping her on rejuvs so you can blood up your armor once a month for 100 years

>>54073213
It's probably not worth replying to the MtG chucklefuck, he's either baiting or too indoctrinated to understand a game in which people don't try to cheat at every opportunity.

>>54073258
Get FW malanthropes for -1 to hit aura that affects monsters and synapse thats an 8W character thus not targetable if there are closer units. They're also way undercosted pts-wise, or overcosted power-wise, depending on your pov.

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>>54073330
>takes an hour to setup and start a game of 7th
>god forbid your opponent is a psychic spamming fag

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>>54073354
>the mental gymnastics in this thread

>>54072291
A disgusting mouth.
Surely you're familiar with those, anon.

>>54073383
>>54073367
:)

>>54073349
If you play with Grav-fags of Scat-lovers yes.
I prefer Fire Prisms and Doomsday Arks.

>>54073349
You can try to come up with a list of houserules to hotfix an edition that nearly no one will be playing, or you can play the cool new edition which is playable out of the box and has a thriving community around it, with continual support and releases.

And if 8e is unacceptable for whatever reason, why 7e instead of 4th or something?

>>54073110
>Every vampire I have seen always has the sword on their model
Play less boring people.

>And what's the point, people can still just use whatever they want on their Chaos Sorcerer and it doesn't matter
Bullshit. If you model something non-standard, you will have to justify your conversion every fucking time you put the model on the table. Remember the debate about the Necron Hyperphase SWORD? The one people were trying to argue was actually a Power Axe because it didn't look Sword-y enough? Yeah, like that. Oh no, that two-handed greatsword your Sorcerer carries is clearly not an axe, it's obviously a sword, now watch it ping off my Centurion's toughness.

But if you're always stuck at "Power Sword", then nobody can tell you your halberd has to use the Axe rules, because axe rules don't exist.

>>54073367
That's a Battle Leader, not the Pack Leader in the Grey Hunters Datasheet you idiot.

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>>54073367
Not all Wolf Guard are Battle Leaders. Tell me where you see a Terminator Keyword.

>>54073382
What if i tell you...
I am psychic spamming fag?

>>54073414
You are in fact looking at a datasheet of the troop choice you ignorant spic

>>54073417
Then enjoy your dead edition, you are the cancer that makes everyone love 8th unconditionally because they no longer have to put up with the kind of shit you pulled.

>>54073397
Or i can make my own fucking rulebook 100 times better that his shit and based on 4E.

>>54073367
>>54073389
You guys are actually autistic, like holy shit.
See
>>54073414

>>54073180
Looks like scout tendrils are over and now the real Tyranid fleet has arrived, consuming the splinter fleets to gain info and biomass.

>>54073417
I hope your army is Tzeentch Daemons and is completely neutered

If your Eldar .... ok

>>54073434
are you actually retarded

>>54073439
Btw did you knew that psyker only can manifest amount of powers equalt to his level in 7E?

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>>54073414
congratulations, now stop trying to autistically break my army

>>54073456
Playing by the rules is autistic?