Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

what's your take on obliterators? still worth the points?

>>54065211
I think they're cool, but they're not rapid fire weapons so don't just plop them 9" away because you can, try and make them shooty and 24" away.

>>54065211
Not enough attacks, not enough range. At best they're short range twin lascannons and at worse they're super garbage. You'd be way better off paying the difference and striking in a team of combi-plasma terminators

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4th for you're a grot

God I fucking hate painting Skitarii. Why do they have to look so cool?

>>54065231
What would have been so hard about making them the way they were in this edition? I can't wrap my head around it. It would have been so simple.

GW, stop smoking crack when remaking rules.

>>54065313
Because sometimes, in order to hurt someone very very much, you have to appeal to their baser instincts. I painted mine camo-blue, because fuck the ForgeWorlds.

>>54065341
All the wargear they could emulate all got a buff (except maybe plasma cannon), so they couldn't just give them that wargear, which is understandable to me. I just wish they were a little better.

Daily reminder that next edition manlet marines will be SQUATTED

>>54065341
>>54065398
Oblits are 65 pts/model and havocs with missile launchers are 38. Are the extra wounds and 2+/5+ save worth the points?

>>54065414
GW salesforce is in

>>54065414
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm trying to make an army around pedro kantor and some assault centurions. I have them in a land raider with a librarian, as well as a contemptor and an apothecary in the list.

What else should I consider doing to make it work?

>>54065414
Only thing that left will be wrongscale primaris marines.

What about Mutilators?

>>54065447
>>54065464
>>54065471

Best ask Mommy to give you money for birthday/christmas/easter because old marines are history. Control the battlefield of the future with your INTERCESSOR™ squads! Bring fury to the enemies of the imperium and rain down hellfire with the HELLBLASTER™ squads.

Stalk the battlefield like a predator with the skull faced terrifying REIVER™ squads.

A dark future needs new heroes; manlets don't measure up.

>obliterators are some fucked up warp-virus
>mutilators are just guys who were too into their knives

>>54065469
You should avoid creating pseudo-deathstar fire magnets. Kantor is for turning kinda good units into really good.

>>54065497
Our youth have it so easy. I remember the time, when marines were shorter and you actually had to aim to hit them, now they are so huge even a blind can blast them to hell.

Went are there not Dwarves in space? Is make an army of Fyreslayers in space in a heartbeat....

>>54065533
Ah, i'd like to use either him or lysander.

That's the only real requirement for my army, although I'd like to use my centurions.

What would they fit well into?

>>54065547
Theres the Demiurg.

Just put my stealth team on 32's.
Fuck it looks good.

Wondering if I should convince my friend to put all his manlets back on 25's so I can do the same to all of my nobz as well.

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>>54065547
There were. But then they were no more.

>>54065547
Check out the squats; they had models and vehicles and everything until they got SQUATTED via tyranid swarm

Press F to pay respects.

Excuse my lore noobiness but someone mentioned in another thread that necrons are afraid of tyranids and that tyranids have in the past destroyed a few tomb worlds.

Why is this? What possible reason would nids have to attack necrons and what reason would the fleshless necrons have to fear tyranids?

>>54065601
>>54065576
The 8th ed rulebook actually mentions them so they're still around.

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You have 10 seconds to prove you're not a marinelet.

>>54065629
My chapter is of first founding.
Given every first founding chapter death is replaced by a Primaris, I am therefore a primaris.

>>54065618
This is a thing? Seconding this question.

>>54065626
I heard that; I'm picking up my rulebook tomorrow on my monthly payday from work. I wouldn't collect a full squat force if they were still around; but I'd run a kill team for Shadow War or something.

Warhammer 40k quest when?

>>54065629
I can ride Hulkcoaster in Universal Studio

>>54065618
I thought it was the other way around; Tyranids afraid of Necrons because there's no life or something

DEATH GUARD CODEX FUCKING WHEN

>>54065629
I'm not a traitor

>>54065497
Post yfw you realize that primarines are overpriced hot garbage ingame.Except for the lieutenants.

>>54065659
its both.
its flat loss for tyranid because no biomass.
Its hard for Necron because shadow of the warp

Should I play Eldar or Word Bearers?

>>54065670
dont you worry we still have 17 (well, 16 because of the reiver release) Primaris unit to come that are listed with no description in Dark Imperium

>>54065618
>>54065639
Nyds eat all the metal off of planets they consume not just biomass. Though Necrons are one of the best factions to fight tyranids in attrition (orks may be comparable for different reasons).

>>54065576
Warhammer but instead of guns it's bumper cars

>>54065491
I dunno man. They get 3 attacks each and they could be s8 ap -3 attacks that do 3 damage... Or they could s6 ap-1 attacks that do 1 damage.

4" movement on a melee guy is terrible but 2+/5+ and 3 wounds is pretty good...

I dunno, I'm afraid to bring them.

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What's a good way for Chaos to deal with mass conscript blobs?

I'm facing an army with atleast 2 full hordes soon.

>>54065677
Are you gay, jewish and/or japanese? Eldar
Are you a pussy? Word Bearers

>>54065677
Why not both?Dark eldar!

>>54065710
khorne flyprinces with dual claws.

>>54065720
Who would ever choose +1a over warptime?

>>54065710
combi bolters are good and cheap

>>54065313

I spray mine silver after priming black and leave the armour, bionics, backpacks and weapons the same colour with slight variations by using different washes. 50% of the model done with simple spray, wash, drybrush techniques.

>>54065677

LOOK DEEP INSIDE YOURSELF

YOU KNOW YOU BELIEVE IN THE PRIMORDIAL TRUTH

THE TRUTH THAT ALL OF HUMANKIND KNOWS

THE FOURFOLD PATH

THE PANTHEON

CHAOS UNDIVIDED

>>54065731
You say that like you are only taking 1 prince.
only one prince can use warptime, the rest should just take the +1 atttack.

>>54065710
Why not bring a few hordes of your own? R&H are pretty cheap and can get HWTs.
And of course there always are brimstones. I'm currently converting 40 servitors count-as brimstones with servo-skulls and other bits and bobs.

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>>54065710
Slaanesh daemon stuff? Fast as shit, so should be able to go from outside rapid fire range into assault in a single turn, and loads of attacks. The combine harvester seems especially thematic for what you're trying to do.

>>54065766
They are pretty expensive though.

>>54065710
Khornate berzerkers, add a Dark Apostle or Khârn, and go collect some skulls.

>>54065677
Orks

>>54065552
Why not create multiple CC threads? Use Kantor to buff Termies, Veterans or Honor Guard? Part of list building is making fire priority hard for the enemy. Deathstars are unreliable in 8E.

Also, Señor Kantor is versatile: you can use him to buff a gunline just as well and then countercharge.

I pair him with librarian too: i want to swing first with those extra attacks. I like jumppack librarians due to how smite works.

>>54065677
Word Bearers

>>54065710

Anything with good wound/cost ratio and T6+ Sv3+ or T4+ Sv 2+

I found rubric marines very effective, bolters hit on 3, wound on 3 and give no save. In return they hit on 5, wound on 5 and you have a 2+ save.

This gives you 4/9 (24/54) wounds per attack versus their 1/54 making your marines be worth 24 conscripts in a direct confrontation. That's 72 points for each rubric.

>>54062569
Which stream?

>>54065710
Renagade Punisher w/ heavy bolters: you ont even need to take rengade troops anymore thanks to key words

>>54065784
180ptsfor 10W T6 3+/5++
Move 12"/fly
8 WS2+ with rerolls S7 -2 D2

>>54065659
They're not afraid of necrons, they just don't bother with lifeless worlds. Which is what most tomb worlds are.
Nids show no hesitation attacking those tomb worlds that do have life.

Why isn't there a rule in 40k for units like Rubrics and Necrons to make it impossible for them to die from shit like poisoning or fleshbane?

>>54065713
This. Spiky pansies best pansies. You can branch out to necropansies later if you want, the faction allows almost all elf units in one list.

>>54065830
>inb4 retarded explanation from a gw shill

>>54065830
>>54065842
>implying Adarki Aeldari poisons can hurt Necrons

>>54065710
CSM: Summon bloodthirster or slaanesh cavalry
Chaos Daemons: Do the same
Renegades: Do the same

>>54065830
Because that would be some kind of universal special rule and all units have to have cool, bespoke rules right there on your datasheet. This makes play faster and easier because there are fewer rules to learn.

>>54065830
Because they didn't want to make DE completely useless in those match ups.

>>54065858
You can have a faction specific USR like ATSKNF or Favored of Tzeentch. Or Reanimation Protocols.

>>54065859
this
having two entire factions immune to your shooting wouldn't be good for game balance

>>54065856
Summoning a BT needs one hell of a roll, though.

>>54065797
I'm new so I don't know what CC thread means, crowd control I guess?

I am really new, so I am just trying to use units I like.

I got raped by psykers, so I know I need a librarian for the deny

>>54065859
>>54065884
That's too fucking bad for the pointy eared space jews then. Go get some better weapons.

>>54065898
close combat, crowd control, depends on context

>>54065898
Close Combat threat, he meant. Something that can get in and smash all those puny psykers into paste, preferrably multiple units, so you're not completely fucked if you lose one unit.

>>54065903
I mean sure they could just remove poison from the game and replace it with something universal.

>>54065830
Because its assumed those using such weapons adjust their chemicals, like acid for crons.

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>>54065903
>>54065830

>>54065921
No anon I'm talking about niggercrons not tau.

>>54065790
In Rhino or Land Raider?

>>54065790
Then get mulched by 100 overwatch shots.

am I a cunt for bringing a land raider redeemer at 1k?

>>54065939
Just park a rhino in front and charge from behind it.

>>54065943
No, you're being a scrub. But we all had to play our first game once.

>>54065943
I take a pair of Hemlocks or a Wraithknight. So no.

Deathshroud terminators when?

>>54065966
bout 3 weeks, maybe 4.

>>54065904
>>54065907
Ah ok, I didn't see any other way to get my centurions into action other than a land raider.

>>54065981
How long until chaos codex?

>>54066003
3 months

>>54066003
Likely before August but dont hold your breath

>>54065692
Well that confirms it. I guess I'm dropping my manlets and going for a full Primaris force.

Nurgle Daemons ability to buff wound rolls has no duration.

RAW it's permanent, but is it RAI to last one turn?

>>54066061
No, it's permanent.

>>54065692
whats the list?

>>54066071
No other buff is though and this one has an easy value of 6 to cast. Feels like it was designed for one turn to me.

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>been playing grey knights for years
>take a break from 40k
>8th out and want a new army
>pick up[ blood angels why i should have done orks i already have the beginnings of an ork army already
>why am i this schizophrenic with 4oK

>>54066089
Hey man as long as you're having fun rock that shit

>>54066089
Blood Angles are cool anon

>>54066089
Anon i've got a backlog of 3 2k armies and 2 1k armies - i literally cannot decide and focus on one
However i wanted to play a rare army so i've gone Tyranids and hope to have them all done in 2-3months

My other nearly finished force is Dark Eldar

>>54066080
"Its there Sonny, its right out there!"

>>54066089
Paint them as Lamenters.

>>54066080
Pretty fluffy given nurgle being about entropic growth

>>54066116
There are not enough Lamenters left for even a 500 point game.

Do we have standard size for a gaming table? Like, anyone know dimensions?

>>54066148
6 by 4

Word Bearers are Space ISIS.

>Religious fanatics
>Iconoclasts
>Recruit by radicalisation
>Encourage collateral damage
>Place sleeper cells on Imperial worlds

>>54066089
>Start building space wolf army
>Finish it
>Start seeing all the new primaris shit

I should of just done imperial guard. I prefer imperial guard as a faction anyway. My manlets look fucking stupid fielded next to Primaris. I see no reason lore wise for my manlets to exist when the ability to upgrade existing marines into Primaris exists.

>>54066148
4'x4', 6'x4' for above 1500

>>54066148
Depends on the game size
Less than 1000pt - 4' x 4'
1000 to 2000 - 6'x4'
More than 2000 - 8'x4'

>>54065898
Did you lose to smite? You need to feed the psyker units you don't mind losing while your other guys get into position, then you counter attack and take the psyker out. Rinse and repeat for the other psykers.

>>54066148
>>54066165
Oh, and build in a little extra for tape measures and stuff

>>54066164
>I see no reason lore wise for my manlets to exist when the ability to upgrade existing marines into Primaris exists.
There's always Skyrar's Dark Wolves, anon.

>>54066164
>No reason lorewise
Nigga theres a huge fucking gash in the fabric of space and time, maybe your dudes are ancient as fuck and are stuck in a time loop or something

Just imagine, if a year ago you were told that Space Marines will be squatted you would laugh at the idiot who said such a thing.
And now we are here.

>>54066164
>Prima-what? We are Space Wolves, you milk drinker.

>>54066200
Doesn't make sense when fielded with Primaris though.

I'll be honest, I'm considering fucking off my current primaris units into storage and just rolling pure space wolves. Primaris having PRIMARIS™ only transport is bullshit and really divides my troops, I don't even like the intercessors playstyle of only bolters, or the HELLBASTERS™ style of plasma only.

I'd rather just have a force of Wolves who reject the idea of heresy.

>tfw not an autistic insecure brainlet and have no problems fielding primaris next to my other dudes from all eras and editions

How do I play Blood Angles

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>>54066210
Let's all point and laugh at this moron that doesn't know what squatted means

>>54066217
>doesn't make sense
Dont wolves have priests who can pray? arent they Viking in nature as well? Maybe your primaris are the scared new guys calling out for help and your old boys are some kind of blessing from the emperor or something. Not too hard to make it work given warp fuckery and the power of the emperors will

Are tyranids good or at last not bad now?

>>54066266
Seems like they're good.

>>54066266
Top tier along with DE

>>54066266
scary good in the right hands but above average overall. might get FAQS'd if WAACfags keep up their shenanigans

>>54066170
Yeah I lost two hole units to it

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Have you played against Tau yet?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13313424

>>54065898
Sisters of Silence are cool too if you want to deny and field an assault squad with rhino

>>54065313

>paint gray
>paint metal parts silver
>paint black parts black
>apply nuln oil everywhere
>apply red dots to eyes
>apply white edge highlighting in your spare time

wow so difficult

>>54066229

He doesn't know what squatted means, but he does know how to play 8th edition unlike you.

>>54066307
>ignoring the weapons
>ignoring the gold/bronze detailing
>ignoring the robes
0/10 your models probably look like shit

>>54066307
The newest GW guide coming to a store near you in July.

PAINTING BY PLEB: A GUIDE TO PAINTING LIKE A LAZY PLEB™

>>54066290
Yes, but I shot half of them, including two gundams, to shit on t1, so no actual opinion.

>>54066229
>He doesn't see the inevitable squatting

Wew

Anybody know what base the dark imperium plague marines are on? I just got some on ebay and they didn't come with bases and I'm new to this so I don't want to buy the wrong ones.

>>54066330
32mm

>>54066330
Did you get the entire Death Guard side from DI?

>>54066290
Yeah. Once at 1K and once at 2K. Lost by 1 VP at 1K, rekt him hard at 2K. Apparently gundam seed destinies are terrible at fighting terminators especially if said terminators keep on fucking coming back to life

>>54066330
Lord: 50mm
Blightbringer: 40mm
Plaguecaster: 32mm
Plague marines: 32mm
Poxwalkers:25mm
Bloat drone: 60mm

source: instruction manual

>>54066343
Thanks

>>54066345
Just the plague marines. Me and my group of friends play shadow war and I thought they looked awesome. No assembly instructions either but I can probably find that online.

>>54066296
I bought the box, I don't know if I can fit them legally in my army?

Are they any good against less psyker heavy armies?

>>54065898
Who the fuck needs Librarians when you can have Culexus Assassins that rape the collective asses of any psyker within 18"?

>>54066376
You can legally fit them in any imperial army, and they're lifesavers.

>>54066376
Does your army have the "Imperium" keyword?
Are you putting them in a detachment that allows elites?
Do you have the points to spare?
If the answer to these questions is "yes", then you can field them just fine

Marinelets are not going to be squatted anytime soon.

Chad-marines are just about GW selling new marines to existing players (and novices). Considering that a huge number of current marine players have old marine armies from 2e-3e time period and some people even still field RT-era beakie marines it's about giving them a reason to buy significantly newer and more expensive models.

The "NO PRIMARIS" rules on transports are 100% there to sell new vehicles as well instead of letting people spam old school boxes with their chad-marines.

I'm kind of surprised that some of the FW stuff didn't get allowed to be Primaris friendly but as far as I can tell only one of the big expensive flyers and the Thunderhawk get Primaris friendly rules

Right now though I can't see Primaris Only lists being particularly successful against most lists. Maybe once Chad-Termies and Chad-Rhinos/Land Raiders but right now they seem kinda meh.

Of course they'll get a power boost with the inevitable Warddex

>>54066385
I don't know what those are, I'm pretty new.

They were death guard psykers, 2 named ones, and then two other ones.
>>54066387
Cool I might try em
>>54066410
Oh so you don't need an allied attachmend?

>>54066436
What's an allied detachment? Page?

>>54066376
Which box did you buy? Also, against non-psykers they are more or less an upgraded assault squad or a pretty good objective horde remover with those flamers (get magnets m8)

>>54066436
in 7th you did
in 8th you can field any <Imperium> units in the same detachment
They said there would be bonuses for sticking to faction keywords like <Astra Militarum> or <Astra Telepathica> within detachments, but those aren't implemented yet in the indexes so we'll need to wait for codices to get those

>>54065830
There was a explination in the 4th ed necron codex, something along the line of soldiers swapping out posion for acid etc. They basically said it was to stop bullshit like deamon and necrons being immune to everything

>>54066414

Also bear in mind that Intercessors are fucking wimps for some reason.

>>54066436
Any psyker within 18" of the Culexus gets -2 on the psychic tests and deny tests. In addition the Culexus can never be targeted or affected in any shape or form through psychic abilities. He also forces any unit shooting or attacking him to strike at WS/BS6+ and has an Assault D3 Str5 AP-4 weapon that turns into D6 if there are enemy psykers within 18". Also all close combat attacks from him ignore armor saves

So he's the ultimate psyker rapist. Any psyker problem, just field one of those and laugh.

>>54066368

Thanks. Do you know if digital copies of the instructions exist?

>>54066456
Yea, like corrosive chemicals ect. It also said that agonisers were set to not make flesh-agony but overload/short circuit necron system and the like.

>>54066466
He lost his "psychi powers dont work near" aura?

>>54066445
>>54066436
Allied detachment was a thing in previous editions which allowed you to field allies outside your faction as long as you had a basic command structure for them as well. No longer relevant in 8th as we moved to the keyword system which has any unit being capable of being an a "non-taxed" addition to the main force so long as they share at least one faction keyword throughout the force

>>54066468
https://imgur.com/a/ndE4b

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Scored an unpainted trygon today for $40 AUDand cant wait to start painting it tomorrow on my day off. How was your day 40kg?

>>54066468
reddit /r/WarhammerInstructions/

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>>54066483
Yep, it's just -2 to enemy psychic tests now.

Also do note that he can target any model with a psychic ability even if they're a character and not the closest unit to him/ So he's capable at wiping the floor with any specific enemy psyker.

How often does GW release FAQs? I've got some questions that weren't covered in the last one.

>>54066449
Talons of the emperor, I haven't opened it.
>>54066445
It's what I was told you had to use for ally armies
>>54066466
Wow, how is that not overpowered?

>>54066490
wtf primaris come with arms attached to the shoulder pads
lame

>>54066490
>>54066501

Thanks guys. I'm off work sick so this will keep me busy.

>>54066496
>tfw leaf
Just beginning but I'm hyped to finish up my Devastators later and maybe start my crusader but I dont want to get ahead of myself. Still cuntish to field a crusader at 1k?

>>54066457

They are just Marines with non-Marine tactics and weapons.

The range boost of Bolt Rifles means people need to play them significantly different but unfortunately most marine players have mediocre strategy and honestly a lot of people play on small tables.

>>54066514
they are working on a second one, should be here soonish

>>54066515
Used to be even more powerful back in 7th. That's how.

Also he tends to become a high profile target for enemy units. So you really have to make sure he survives in order to make full use of his abilities.

>>54066514
No idea

What kind of questions?

>>54066524
Moderately, not like its a Baneblade or a Knight.

>>54066527

If you're standing back at 30 inches for 1 S4 rend 1 shot per model that's not tactics, it's plinking.

Also they have an extra attack and wound, making each one effectively two marines for melee purposes. If they only actually had equipment for it they might be useful.

Meanwhile other armies with rend shooting on basic troops (Necrons, thousand sons) are laughing at you.

>>54066515
Well, thats a heck of a box but maybe get another box of sisters as ToTE only has 5 and that rhino can fit 10 but run them as 2 5lady groups as you can split if needed and dodge some losses from battleshock while getting another sister superior

>>54066542
questions based on arguments I've seen in this thread:

Can a ynnari army take Haemonculus covens units in a separate detachment?
Does Old One Eye's argument affect all things with the Carnifex keyword, or just "carnifex units"?
The last FAQ said "you cannot start a game with less than 0 command points" Does this mean that an army with less than 0 command points is illegal, or that you just start with 0 command points?

>>54066570
If a unit disembarks from a transport, can it still attempt to summon using the Daemonic Ritual rules?

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Due to how pistols work in the new rules, would giving them to Raveners be a good idea?

If I understood the rules correctly, you'd be able to shoot with the spine fists in the shooting phase, even if the raveners are already stuck in melee, and as Spinefists make as many attacks as the wielder (4 in the case of Raveners), you'd be able to first in the shooting phase, dish out 4 shots per ravener at the poor fuckers you are ripping apart, and then in the fight phase, shred them some more with basic melee.
Is this how they would actually work?

Also, is there any sense in giving Termagants spinefists?

>>54066567
What would you need to buy? just 5 more or 4 and a sergeant?

>>54066583
would giving spinefists to Raveners be a good idea*

>>54066592
just another sisters of silence squad as it comes with the bits to make one a superior in the kit

>>54066583
if they're of the "pistol" weapon type, then you can shoot them in the shooting phase even if you are locked in combat, yes.

Gay Knights get bonuses against "daemon units"

Does this mean units with the faction keyword Daemon? Or the nonfaction keyword Daemon? There are quite a few units in the game that only have one.

>>54066614
Well, they are.
So basically, you'd get fucking 8 attacks out of a Ravener stuck in melee. First 4 in the shooting phase at strength 3, and then 4 proper melee attacks at strength 4.

Fucking nice. I am gonna get a bunch of raveners and fucking shred guardsmenlines like mad. The fuckers can deep strike 9 inches away from enemy lines so the possibility of getting into melee from a good charge, especially if one uses onslaught psychic power, is actually pretty damn good.

>>54066570
>OOE
It plainly says Carnifex units with no mention of keywords so theres that
>0 CP
It means that you cannot have less than 0 as there is no penalty in negative CP and even so by following matched play restrictions it is hard to even get to 0 CP

What have people been running for their DG armies? I am trying to put together something for this weekend.

>>54066666

>Quint 6s
>Not 7s

Pleb

>>54066666
Basically everything but the bell guy.

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>still can't choose an army

>>54066690
not worth it?
What about for AV, Predators?

>>54066666

Slaanesh why are you starting a deathguard army?

Anyhow I honestly wouldn't waste time trying to start Deathguard when they clearly have a full release coming up.

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>>54066570
>Can a ynnari army take Haemonculus covens units in a separate detachment?
I would say no
The key wording here is "Ynnari army", and army refers to all the models you are using in the battle.
RAW when you play Ynnari everything must be Ynnari.

>Does Old One Eye's argument affect all things with the Carnifex keyword, or just "carnifex units"?
If Carnifex was in the bold keyword font it would effect anything with the CARNIFEX keyword, but since it is not in the keyword font it refers to units with the name Carnifex. This means that Old One Eye does not benefit from his Alpha Leader trait.

This could be unintentional and get errata'd later but I think the wording is clear.

>The last FAQ said "you cannot start a game with less than 0 command points" Does this mean that an army with less than 0 command points is illegal, or that you just start with 0 command points?
I think this means that you can't get negative command points, no matter how you construct your army. There is a lower limit of 0 CP.

>>54066579
Gonna say no, because of this phrase:
>"Note though, that even if you don't move disembarking units further in your Movement phase, they still count as having moved for any rules purposes".
Since you count as having moved you can't do something that would require sacrificing your movement

I think it's pretty clear, but it could use an official ruling

>>54066649
Any keyword daemon

>>54066723
Going to double my HH DG army for them.

>>54066691

Necrons.

Has there ever been a case of guard running out of ammo and tearing apart the remnants of a tyranid swarm with their bare hands in a raw tide of bodies?

Anyone know how to add allied imperium forces to a SM list in battlescribe?

>>54066745
>bare hands
Fix bayonets, guardsmen

>>54066745
>Bayonets, anon

>>54065491
terrible
just awful like last time

I'm torn between selling off my wyrdvane psykers or using them in valkyries for smite spam.
What do?

>>54066723
>wouldn't waste time starting an army that is going to get more stuff in addition to the basic stuff they have already
??????

>>54066691
The Guard is always recruiting

>>54066749
I just
edit force>add ally force>unbound
be mindful of their roles and its all good

>>54066778
I was wondering the same thing

>>54066816
Ok cool ty

>>54066691
The hivemind welcomes you

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>>54066691
Join us Bananas, and then weep when you don't get to deep strike and your only transport costs 400 points

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Are Carnifexes good in 8th edition?
I like how they don't have degrading stats.
I am thinking of running a bunch of Screamer Killers.

>>54066778

Can't plan it properly if it's all about to change and add shit.

Buying in early only leads to buying superfluous shit you'll end up never using.

>>54066758
>>54066761

>Not a desperate tide of screaming flesh flowing over a Carnifex and tearing it apart

Can't choose between Predator and Devastators.

Both will have simillar loadout (4 Las or 4 HB / Autocannon+2 HB) and not sure which will perform better in general.

Any thoughts you guys?

>>54066850
Can't they use Forge World shit? I thought you could take any Imperial vehicle for them...

>>54066853
I personally think they are great because of how cheap they are now. However a quite few people seem to be in the opinion of them sucking because due to the S6 attacks which is mostly wounding transports and other tanks/monsters on 5s. I think screamer killers are fucking top notch

>>54066749
It's shit like this why I used the meme builder

>>54066583
yeah thats how they work, so if you're going to give ravaners guns spinefists are probably the best choice.

not worth it on termagants, spikerifles have longer range and fleshborers higher strength. If you want gaunts in close combat you'd use hormagaunts.

>>54065629
I played Banana Golden Dildo Marines so I am bigger than everybody.

>>54066691
I can sell you a heap of space woofs

>>54066886

Mortis Dreadnought with four Lascannons, 175 points.

>>54065626
So did 6th, what's your point?

>>54065601
No they didn't. They've literally been around for 4 years or so.

>>54066919
How about giving Warriors Spinefists?

>>54066886
Contemptor Mortis Dread with dual twin lascannons. It's basically just a las pred with bs2+ and 5++ for the same price. Devs are best with full Grav.

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>>54065830
>Reminded of Pox Nora's retarded construct immunities
>When the meta was undead
Good times.

>>54065197
>Female Necrons
Would buy in a heartbeat

>>54066915
yeah fexs are fine. not as good before, but they're now a definitive dreadnought equivalent and the versitile "light tank" of nid MCs. Which was a good move IMO, means they still have a place in the now crowded selection of nid monsters.

sure they're not deleting tanks with just a touch anymore, but they're still decent enough especially with OOE.

>>54065313
>Then you learn you need minimum 2 domino to field any useful detatchment.

CODEX WHEN

>>54066960
They're canon anyway. IA:11 specific dynasty is lead by a female Overlord. So just convert one.

>>54066942
Id give them boneswords and devourers instead because they can just take flesh hooks as well for 2pts

>>54066850
Seeing as how Dark Imperium mentioned girlyman has a Tribune with him, you'll get getting a super OP HQ at some point. And I suspect Fire of Cryaxis will give us 30k shit. if not, we'll get them when we get our codex.

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>>54066986
>IA
>canon

>>54066985
There's nothing wrong with fielding 2 Domini tho. You get double the repair capability and they're pretty fucking hard to kill on their own too. In addition it means you can save shekels through start collecting boxes.

>>54066942
probably worth it for front line warriors, paired with boneswords to still have 4 attacks. add fleshhooks and you can shoot 5 times and then get 4 attacks all in cc.

>>54066943

Well yeah true, a Contemptor Mortis is also good.

Regular Mortis a bit more budget, contemptor longer lasting with a 2+ to hit.

Oh, and if they respond to emails pointing out they forgot the cyclone missile launcher, we might get an eratta allowing the c-Mortis to take a third gun mount.

>>54067004
FW is canon. There's no debate here.

they're not 3rd party or anything.

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>>54067004
Don't do this anon.

>>54066933
>>54066943
Do people allow FW Indices now?

>>54067005
GW sent me a free Domini when I ordered the Codex when it was released. £21 model for free, yeaaaaah boiiiii. They also sent me a free Blastmaster once.

I then b ought a Get Started box. Then I realised I can't paint to save my life and gave up. I wanted to make my own Forge World but Cawl has actually been stuck to Mars only so I'm forced to paint them Mars.

>>54066981
The only thing i hate is how crushing claws on fexs suck. With out an OOE around they're hitting on 5+. Bht hey screamer killers as distractions are going to work well for a whilenat least

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>>54067053
STOP THIS. PEOPLE ALWAYS ALLOWED IT. IT WAS LEGAL. NOTHING IN FW WAS OVERLY OP COMPARED TO REGULAR DEX.

>>54067053
for the most part FW is fine.

>>54067066
tomb citadels

If model have 2 melee weapons, do i make attack of opportunity with all or only 1 of them?

>>54067053

Yeah the days of "ask permission" have been gone for a few years now, outside of a few stubborn holdout local metas.

They don't even print the disclaimer anymore, in this Internet age everyone knows about the mail order sub-company and it's expanded options.

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>>54067079
BETTER THAN A WRAITHKNIGHT?

>>54067080
What the fuck are you on about?

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>>54066960
Well, people sell them, so, if your heart still beats I guess you're living metal fucked.

>>54067066
FW is ok but they need to release FAQ for 8e indexes as they are riddled with errors. Until that i dont think using them is a good idea.

>>54067079

Tomb citadels are weak as shit for their points sink.

>>54067059
yeah, they shouldn't have the -1. dreada don't get with their Sx2 weapons.

or get the D6 damage on fexs, -1 to hit wouldn't be so annoying if you hit like a lascannon when you did it.

>>54067080
>It's a D&Dfag posts in the wrong thread episode

GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!

>>54067089

>Titty robots

You know my Necrons are mixed gender and you can't even tell, because robot skeletons.

>>54067089
>implying anyone wants to use a model with pokeballs for tits

>>54067089
>those cyberchebs
fucking lmao

>>54067066
I disagree. The top 5% of GW stuff was generally more OP, but across like 90% of other choices the FW option was superior. Look at many tactica said to take the FW version of something instead of the GW one last edition.

I always thought necron warriors were an even mix of male and female, you just couldnt tell them apart as they all got stuck in identical bodies

where did the women necrontyr go?

>>54067066
I know that the original r'varna pre-nerf was pretty strong for cheap. Something like 4 pie-plates every turn that hit beasts twice and vehicles or large models 3 times with haywire or something.

>>54067122
>i listen to everything on 1d4chan
Newfag out

>>54067010
I prefer them because of the bs break point, since you don't really need to move that often for those first turn shots from 48", hitting on 2 reroll 1 is functionally an extra hit for 25ish points the vast majority of the time. The extra wounds and the 5+ invuln make it about twice as durable against meltas as well.

>>54067089
Holy fuck that is insanely ugly

>>54067122
>1d4chan

This is the website that said to take Bolters on Death Company because 'it gives you a free shot'. Or the website that made up literally bullshit about WHFB End Times for no fucking reason and got into edit wars. 1d4chan is utter shite and they live in a mathammer world at best.

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>>54067119

>>54067122

Nah, it was more like...

40% of forge world was unusable shit
20% decent
20% better than equivalent codex options
15% rules so outdated they didn't even make sense in relation to codex and core rules
5% holy shit op.

>>54067135
Pretty sure the R'varna is better now than regular Riptides now, right?

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>>54067115
>>54067120

>>54067053
I don't.
P2W DLC has no place in a tabletop game

Having my first game of 8th on Saturday. Me and my brother both started building second armies a few months ago, but took us so long to get them game ready they never saw action in 7th edition. My only worry is it's first game of 8th and first game with the new armies, so I want it to be a fun game rather than one player getting fucked over. Heres the lists (roughly)

Me
Yvraine & four incubi in a venom (dual splinter cannons)
6 reaver jetbikes (2 caltrops, champ with power sword)
2 dark lance raiders full of warriors (1 squad has a blaster, the other a dark lance)
a ravager with all dark lances

Him
Khorne daemon prince (FW, no wings)
soulgrinder
heldrake
10 cultists
10 bloodletters
10 bezerkers
5 possessed marines

Does this seem like a reasonable small game, or does the buff to dark eldar/ynnari (plus speed advantage) in 8th mean my brothers going to get dicked?

we'll be playing tactical objectives with plenty of scenery

>Deathguard barely get six units from 2k

>>54067160
>JUST

>>54067174
>t. booty blasted poorfag

>>54067171
>HAIR
AHAHAHHAHHAA fucks sake GW

>>54067066
As an IG player, you're full of shit.
Everything is either "better version of X", "cheaper version of X" or a free reroll bubble.

Name ten overpowered units in FW 7th.

>>54067162
The most OP thing I can think off from IA was Manticore Batteries. They were like 40 points cheaper than the moveable ones and could take AA missiles. Sadly easily destroyed. At the moment I have no idea what the difference between Earthshaker Battery and Artillery Carriage is. Latter has Guardsmen but why bother when the former is cheaper and doesn't suffer from having them killed.

>>54067183
It's the oldest trollpost in the history of the internet. Pretend it's DLC P2W crap when Riptides, Wrathknights and Grav Devs existed.

>>54067190
>GW

Kill yourself.

>>54067190
>these
>made by GW
Are you retarded or something?

>>54067089
>>54067160
>>54067171
Imagine actually purchasing those models and explaining to your opponents that you bought them because they had tits.
Just imagine being that subhuman

>>54067198
Everything in the grey knights,
Imperial Knights, Wraithlord, Stompa

>>54067143

You're probably right about it being downright better, through being a budget four las platform is also pretty handy depending on specific list.

>>54067195
>FW was better than Wrathknights, Riptides, Grav Devs

0/10 Would Not Reply Again.

>>54067170
I mean the 6th/7th edition experimental online rules had two versions. One where it could volley fire every round and had a better save, and one where volley fire prevented it from shooting at all the next round, and it was more expensive.

First one was absolutely broken. It was more or less auto-include, even with the rest of the tau shit. But formations were barely a thing, then.

>>54067159
>Implying mathammer isn't the one true hammer

If an overwatching unit has -1 to hit is it impossible to hit a charging unit?

>>54067211
>Forge World
Those are all in normal Indexes.

>>54067236
Read up to 'overpowered units' and stopped

>>54067132
yeah, same here.

>>54067246
Fair enough.

>>54067159
If you don't use math in a game based on probabilities, how do you determine what is good?

>>54067198
Hornets, Lynxs, Skathrax Wraithknights, Mek Stompa, Thunderbolt, Tarantulas, Fixed Artillery, Most of the Riptide variants, Whirlwind Scorpius, Fire Raptor.

>>54067102
Yeah exactly, pretty annoying really. Maybe one day in the future it will get fixed with some balancing. Although i am more tempted then ever to convert a fex into an ooe now

>>54067066
>NOTHING IN FW WAS OVERLY OP
Assault grenades. Leviathan for 175.

>>54067233
Doesn't the overwatch rule say that they hit targets on 6 regardless of modifiers

>>54067132
Pretty much but there is nothing stopping you from making your female Overlord have tits. They all do different things. Some cover themselves in skin or fur or whatever. So adding tits isn't surprising. Also it didn't actually say they don't have boob bodies. It's possible the female leaders demanded it to be able to be told apart from men.

Regular warriors? Nope. Overlords and Lords? Yup.

>>54067221
it literraly do tho.

>>54067271
>I will ignore the next part of the sentence to win an internet argument on a Burmese Etch-A-Sketch animation forum

:thinking:

Is the new IG meta to take 3 Battalion detachments instead of one Brigade?

>>54065629
I don't play marines.

>>54067221
>>54067201
>Wah wraithknights
So OP.
So unfair
Boy doesn't it just make you want to buy a couple of resin surprises.
Just to compete, y'know?

Base sizes\Shapes, are there any actual rules for them? Thinking of converting some things but they come with square bases.

>>54067289
Give me the most OP option of GW indicies so I can legitimately shit into your throat.

>>54067256
they went to far and are overly reliant on it. math is useful, but it can't give a complete assessment. There's to many extra variables in an actual game with the terrain, objectives and other units. You can't just compare 2 units in a vacuum and get a complete picture.

So if I replace the battle cannon on my Leman Russ with something else do I first deduct its cost?

>>54067272
Yes it does, cheers!

Won my first official game of 8th last night as Deldar vs Death Guard, don't ask me anything.

>>54067314
Of course you do you fucking retard

>>54067314
no, you just add the cost of the weapoms it actually has. except fr some special characters the base cost of a mini doesn't include any of its gear or weapons.

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Find a flaw.

I'll wait.

>>54067314
nope, you just dont add the battlecannon to its cost

>>54067314
Just sum up the cost of a model with the cost of all of it's equipment.

>>54066933
>>54066943
Oh shit that reminds me, how heretical would it be to kit bash one using sentinel legs?

>>54067314
This game and anything else that requires simple logic and mathematic skills are probably not for you.

>>54067308
>indicies

And that's the final nail in your argument coffin. I wasn't talking about Index you utter mong, follow the conversation.

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>mfw can finally run Mechanized Chaos again thanks to R&H

IRON IS BACK BABY

>>54067330
>loyal
Thanks, but no thanks.

>>54067295
More troops than I wanna deal with

>>54067330
A huge pain in the ass to paint
Basically monopose with a few options
S3 guns

Aside from that I fucking love them. Best troops choice in the Admech codex for sure

>>54067330
Mon-keigh
Biggest flaw of this universe

>>54067352
but muh conscript spam

>>54067343
I don't give a single fuck about the past. But now to ban FW completely is the only reasonable option for the non-WAACfags.

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>>54067344
>TFW when I can take my 30k list in 40k and it isnt terrible, waves of infantry supported by Basilisks

>start a thousand sons finally
>rememberancers

does this shit ever go away?

Everybodys always talking about which army is the best. I want to know whos the worst

>>54067323
>>54067326
>>54067335
>>54067339
>>54067342

I literally just got the index please be gentle.
Anyways thanks for clearing it up

>>54067360
a mere meme

>>54067358
filthy dumb space jew scum

>>54067330
The look fucking dumb, and a single skaven model has 1000 times the flavor of the entire AdMech faction.

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>>54067366
I just wish we could use this beauty

Also Seige Terminators

>>54067354
>Friends collect Tau, Space marines, Necrons, Skeletons, Skaven.
>I collect Harlequins, Admech and Bretonnia.
>They will never know the pain.

>>54067387
Your anger amuses me, yet it is but a fleeting sensation.

>>54067391
Use them as Daemon princes with Warpbolters.

>>54067365
>I don't follow convo
>you're an idiot, fuck off
>I-I d-don't c-care!!!111111

Lol mong. Hidden.

>>54067360
If you have the time and the cash have fun.
I have 50 infantry and they are painted and I am fucking done.

>>54067390
>age of shitmar nigger detected
>>54047568

>>54067394
I have manage to collect and play every army and game that GW has squated or left unsupported

>>54067367
Rememberemebr what?

Are Terminators just shit this edition, they're so damn expensive. A Paladin with a Daemonhammer is 68 points. I can get a freaking Dreadknight for three of them.

>>54067426
Assault is shit this edition. If you're playing anything other than gun lines you're an idiot asking to lose.

>>54067397
What's it like knowing that you will be raped by an amorphous hermaphrodite entity and his/her servants for the rest of eternity if you die the wrong way?

>>54067411
Oh me too buddy, me too. I'm just meming

>>54067419
It sucks because Bretonnia are so good in AoS.

I've got a bunch of Skaven myself but it just isn't the same.

>>54067421
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Remembrancer

these cunts shitting up every book

>>54067419
So you played Nippon in WHFB?

>>54067428
Funny I run an assault centric CSM army and I rofl-raped my way through gun lines of tau.

Assault works fine if you plan it right, you have to use your brain this edition and actual tactics. Time to dust off your copy of "Art of War" my friends.

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>>54067433
Soon™

>>54067428
>Being this retarded.
Wew lad

>>54067137
>>54067159
It says that on 1d4chan? Haven't bothered looking at that site for years because the tactica are rubbish (it mostly just tells you a unit's stats rather than, you know, suggesting actual tactics).

>>54067455
Naa, that's the same text that appears on top of their warscrolls. Just the small blurb they give Bretonnia players to help expand the lore behind their army in the Mortal Realms.

>>54067454
Post list or liar liar pants on fire.

>>54067462
NOT AN ARGUMENT

>>54067436
They sound like embedded journalists? They were Great Crusade Era newsmen reporting from the front, big deal. Hell isn't the book Starship Troopers told from the perspective of one of these guys?

>>54067431
It feels good to know in death we join into our god (the actual god, not a corpse on the chair) to live forever as the most powerful entity in the universe.

>>54067159
What did they make up aboud ET?

>>54067471
I know lad, I was being a bit mean. We can hope, lad. Though I suspect it'll be Not!Bretonnina if anything. Just like I suspect Not!TombKings will turn up.

As for 40k, I hope Exodites get some love, they're mentioned enough in Eldar fluff to suggest they will one day.

>Nurgle sorcerer has a cloud of plague shit
>ugly as fuck
tempted to cut it off. What hands would fit as a replacement?

>>54067367
Yes, it dies off, but the shitty human characters never go away.
They even start making them immortal so that they won't ever piss off.

>>54067473
>t. falseflagging assmad tau player

Show me on your riptide where the bid swarm touched you

>>54067444
Not with GW models.
Mordheim (sisters of sigmar)
Necromunda (arbiters)
WHF Bretonia, Chaos Dwarfs, Slaanesh, and a bit of Tomb kings
Inquisitor
Battle fleet gothic (Navy and BT)
40k BT, Inquisition and SoB
Bloodbawl (lizardmen)

I manage to sell almost everything but the BFG and 40k stuff (Slaanesh crap is in a box waiting for their return)

>>54067479
>implying ynnead isn't just slaanesh LARPing as an eldar god
L M A O
M
A
O

>>54067493
Tentacle.

>>54067484
There's a decent chance, now that Ynnari are a thing they may field a larger variety of elves.

>>54067484
The lore has kind of advanced now where we're getting mortal cities again, so you never know they might introduce some new generic looking human models.

Exodites would be cool, do you know if anyone has combined Eldar and Lizardman stuff to create Exodites?