Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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1st for Sisters a QT!

2nd for Plasma explodes more at night.

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Rate my list
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so my army is four battlewagons. three loaded with boyz and the last loaded with ghaz, a weirdboy. painboy, nob with a banner, and four burnas with a spanner. how fucked am i?

Fuck this shit hive tyra with wings have only one pair arm slots left. Why do I magnetize this shit when wysiwyg is broken anyway. Who design this shit

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>post yfw you have 18 meiotic spores in your list

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>>54073869
My work day just got a lot better. Thanks anon!

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>>54074142
Imagine what the armies will be like now.

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>>54074410
2nd for BRUVVAS of the chadmarine nature

Nth for Imperial Bastions are Beyblades.

superheavies ruined 40k

>>54074439
i used to mine boxes in the box mines also anon

>>54074429
What do you plan to use the Homing Beacon on? The fusion-quadmander?

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Greetings, fellow imperial loyalist civilians! How are you showing support for our holy emperor today? Remember, if you are running short on rations we are giving away free cookies at our church!

So pistols are great now?

The intercessors have both boltrifles and boltpistols.. so they can shoot the rifles, then charge and melee attack, next shooting phase they can fire their pistols (while still in close combat), then make their normal melee attacks in fight phase?

Did the Squiggoth get a FW update? I'd like to field mine..

>>54074577
Yes

>>54074483
Switch the guns on the Plague Marines so one squad is only Plasma and one is only Blight Launchers. Toss the Fists on the Champs. Plague Marines are shit in melee and investing 40 points in 2 Power Fists isn't going to change that, Give the guy in the Plasma squad a Combi-Plasma and the guy in the Launcher squad a Combi-Bolter. Toss some Plaguebearers so you can field 20 Poxwalkers. Poxwalkers are immune to morale tests, which is huge in the current edition. Other than that, nice list. I'd try to shoehorn the Blightbringer in for the better Advance moves, but that's just a personal preference.

>>54074513
Free food?
Don't bullshit us. Nobody would be as kind as to give away actual food for free. Last time I ate was Monday.

>>54074426
Not when they're in Grey Hunter squads.

>>54074435
You might notice that his feet are, in fact, a pair of scything talons. If you want them to be Rending Claws instead, just convert them. If you want your Tyrant to have 4 Deathspitters, just take the Fleshborer Hive arms from the Tyrannofex like every other idiot.

>>54074556
I wouldn't go as far as great but yeah you can shoot while in combat with them. Essentially it's your plus one attack but this time it uses the pistol's profile, pretty standard on most units but it makes plasma pistols more interesting and Sicarian infiltrators horrifying

Anyone know if there is a way to crack Battlescribe?

>>54074486
yeah, and farsight potentially as well

>>54074656
Yeah, I think the Tech Priest Dominus' Macrostubber is my new favorite gun in the game. He gets five shots that all hit 2+ rerollable in melee. It always reminds me of Jim Butcher's Skin Game, where the baddie's favorite "melee" attack is to unload his whole pistol clip point blank into his opponents.

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>>54074701
>harry dresden
you shall now be, henceforth and forever more, my niggah

>>54074662
Just use a pen, a piece of paper and a calculator app, faglord.

>>54074647
Thanks didnt know that.

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>>54074513
What a coincidence - so are we!

>>54074584
Any previews of it?

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>>54074513
Ave citizen, someone contacted us about a bug infestation. You wouldn't know anything about that would you?

>discord autism spilling over into threads
Generals were a mistake.

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>>54074752
I like this picture, it shows the hustle and bustle of daily life of renegades/chaos dudes, then imagine one or a gang of 7ft tall spikey super-humans in power armour moving through the market, looking for wares or going for their own objectives.

Nigga's would attract alot of staring, as well as alotta butt kissing from hapless merchants.

>>54074815
We literally just figured we'd use the massive sperg-out as an excuse to shill the discord. It's not even the discord he just got banned from, we're stealing the glory.

How do you guys store models that aren't in a case?

I've been having trouble deciding on an army to focus on, and I've basically been torn between the two. After much debate, I have decided on one. However, this isn't the first time I've decided. This time, I need to just remove the other army from my sight, so I can focus on the army I've chosen. However, I need the case they're currently in, so I have to store them at home, hence the question. I don't really have shelf space.

Looking at getting a malcador infernus to ally with my sisters, is it worth it? Two heavy flamers plus the inferno gun looks fun. Also do I have to choose the fuel type beforehand or can I do it on each turn?

>>54074513
free cookies and church? I love both of those things. Tell me, what days are your services?

>>54074833
Fuck off and take your shitty discord with you.

>>54074834
I keep all my models on windowsill and clean them with a small brush for women makeup everyday so dust won't get on them.

>>54074870
Nope. :^)
Also apparently this is in /hhg/ as well? Fucking hell this is great.

>>54074848
I don't play those armies but if it's just a weapon and types of fuel are under it in the datasheet, you can choose type every shooting phase.

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>>54074513
>>54074752
Citizens, don't be taken in by offers of sub-standard food. The Emperor's Mercy Bars™ provide everything needed to keep faithful imperial citizens up and standing. Apply for a ration allocation with your local Administratum office today.

Any scans of Imperial Armour – Index: Xenos?

>>54074482
that's not a mine someone just reversed gravity.

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>Opponent Measuring for movement
>Slightly moves his ruler hand with his model moving hand
>Never realizes he does it

The rules for re-rolls state "You can never re-roll a dice more than once, and re-rolls happen before modifers (if any) are applied." The Command Re-roll Stratagem states "You can re-roll any single dice."

If I roll for a charge, then use a command re-roll on one of the charge dice, how does a rule allowing me to re-roll the charge distance (For example, the Ork rule ’Ere We Go!). Does the ’Ere We Go! not work anymore since I can't re-roll twice, does it let me re-roll the dice that wasn't already re-rolled or does it let me re-roll both dice regardless?

>>54074862
If female Deldar looked more like this and less like topknot-wearing punk bitches I'd like them a lot more.

>>54074827
It's a shame we don't get to look at the daily life of the various factions that often.

>>54074940
You can never reroll more than once.

>>54074940
Ere we go requires both dice get re-rolled so if you used it to re-roll one already you won't get to re-roll for ere we go.

>>54074947
But Anon don't you enjoy the endless art of good Space Marine vs bad Space Marine?

>>54074940
>You can never re-roll a dice more than once
You obviously know enough about this internet thingie to join us in this thread, so I assume you're a reasonably clever boy. I'll let you figure it out.

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>>54074900
Hey man, I went down to one of their services, and they were having a barbeque! They just gave me free meat! I don't know how they got meat onto this emperor forsaken forgeworld (my ma says all the animals died a thousand years ago), but I'm not going to ask questions.

>>54074701
I like to imagine it as him deploying a sawn-off from his arm and going all "Dodge This" on some poor fuck. Not read the Dresden books yet, I hear they're good. Should I bump them up the list a bit?

>>54074372

SONIC IS KITTY LITTER

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B75IiWi7fkw9VDZjNFAtNmxBa1E

Heres the pandorax audiobook, for any anons who want it.

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Praetorians with rods or Lychguard with warscythes ?


Repostan because new thread.

>>54075040
Lychguard because they look cooler

>>54074985

These are the people that play MTG, everyone

If you don't think pistols can shoot into melee, this is literally who you're agreeing with

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Anyone test the C beam cannon yet? if so is it worth the points ?

Best way to kill eldar titans ?
I'm talking about the biggest ones . . .

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>>54074372
Anyone got a link to scions of elysia?

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Does this guy look like he's worth 520 points? (Four hundred for him plus a dreadnought droppod to get him anywhere worth being )

>>54075040

Run your Lychguard with a buffing character, especially Kutlakh. Anrakyr and Orikan work well too.

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Sorry I inadvertently started the breakdown, anons. I only wanted advice about repainting my Skitarii. I admit I didn't expect this to happen, he sperged out on Discord,/hhg/ and /40kg/ simultaneously. That's an impressive level of rage over trivial conversation, if nothing else.

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Question. I should ask /wip/ I guess but - what color should I rock for the lifter? Hazard-Yellow theme, or go with a colored theme like a navy blue with hazard stripes, etc.

So does Huron's Hamadrya rule stack? As in, in Huron successfully manifests a spell, the Hamadrya lends him a second, and he also lands that one, will the Hamadrya keep lending him spells til he fails or does he only get one extra spell attempt?

>>54075066

It's a sneakily hidden flamer weapon that nobody noticed

Shoot it at some conscripts, hit on 2's, wound on 2's, kill a dude and do 2d6 extra auto hitting S6 hits

Also at 48" it's a legit lascannon+

>>54075082

Dreadnought drop pods are never, ever, ever worth it anon.

Stick him in a Stormraven.

>>54075073
A warlord titan. Bonus points if you have enough points to add guilliman so you have a warlord titan that rerolls to hits of 1.

>>54075098
bare metal and hazard stripes on sections

>>54075098

Where did you get that? Recaster?

>>54075098
Well, what colour's the rest of the model going to be?

>>54075082
dont think so, he looks weaker than a 150 point decimator

>>54075112
think its overkill if i give it to my contemptor in a 1k list?

and yes im using a contemptor in a 1k list because fuck brutes, contemptors all the way

>>54075082
last time we discussed him we kind of got caught up on the fact he has a 2+ BS and no rolled shooting attacks

survey basically said just take a knight

>>54075073

Their cost in Gauss Pylons.

>>54075040
Lychguard, but give a couple of them Shield and Sword. It makes them absolute god.

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>>54075098
Hazard Yellow and tell that cat to fuck off

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The first of the boyz for the new and improved Purple Moon WHAAAAGH!

>>54075135
I mean he has 3+ Feel No Pain at least

>>54075146

It doesn't really pair super well with a claw since you want to be a turret sitting in your deployment zone and can't move and shoot it at all

Two lascannon/autocannon+claw contemptor though? Go nuts, shit will be whack

I got annihilated by smite in my first game this week, lost an entire centurion squad and a devastator squad to it.

How do you stop this?

>>54075176
I love it anon, nice scheme

>>54075176
And yes I know I still need to drill the gun barrels

>>54075195

Who was doing the smiting?

>>54075073
Conscript spam

>>54075184

You can more and shoot conversion Beamers now.

You can also take two conversion Beamers on a relic contemptor.

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How are ravenwing in this edition? I have always hated the dark angels - but ive fallen for sammaels jetbike of pure slaneeshi excess. Is a biker army viable in any way? It sounds fun as shit to be zipzapping across the field with all bikes with sammael fucking people up, giving rerolls to his bubblewrapp etc. How much would one spend on such an army? Say 1500 points

>>54075184
hellforged contemptors cant have lascannons unfortunately, thats why im considering using the c beam since other weapons are not to great at killing tanks

Anyone have any neat ideas for making a Shaper look neat from regular carnivore parts? I'm thinking of giving him a carbine.

>>54075217
Death guard; tychus, a named psyker, then two unnamed psykers.

I was playing SM from a shooty build, about 36 inches away. Starting turn two I lost an entire unit per turn to smite

>>54075102
In theory it would stack. In practice, he only has one lore power and Smite, so there are so more powers for him to cast after the second, so in practice it doesn't stack.

>>54075003
Take your time with them. The author is getting lazy and taking longer and longer between books.

>>54075235

Wait my bad, you can move and shoot conversion Beamers but you can't move and shoot c-beam cannons, which used to be heavy conversion Beamers.

Anyone else more worried about what looks coolest on the table rather than what's going to win the quickest?

>>54074429
Goddamn I'm starting to hate battlescribe. Excel could condense this list to a single laptop screen.

Is it just me, or are genestealers way worse than they were? Before, they had ways to make cult ambush reliable, (such as rolling 3 dice, or getting to actually just choose the result). Now every faction gets reliable deep strike except the GSC. Instead, the GSC have a 50% chance to get fucked on the roll. Daemons too, to a lesser extent.

>>54075195
Bring your own psykers to deny typically, unless you play Khorne, in which case you'd bring some flesh hounds. Obviously you don't but I feel like hyping up Khornedogs anyway.

>>54075241
try the soulburner. lets you run if you want and it does a surprising amount of damage

Whats the point of taking servitors? Theyndont help to repair things anymore with their servo arms or add to the canticle count so they just seem to be a not great platform for 2 multi meltas, heavy bolters or plasma cannons

>>54075235

You may want to reread the cbeam entry

Two c-beams on a relic are great, chaos can't do that unfortunately

>>54075241

Aw that's a shame. Well remember that the contemptors melee will kill tanks deader than a lascannon anyway

>>54075297
I have this problem with Zoanthropes. They are probably my favorite model but god do they suck ass in 8th.

>>54074968
>Ere we go requires both dice get re-rolled
It doesn't, actually. I used to think that but the same section that tells you you can only ever re-roll a particular dice once also says that a rule which lets you re-roll means you can roll all OR SOME of the dice again.

>>54075325
They're a lot better than people think they are.

>10 man scion squads with 4 grenade launchers
yes/no
i want grenade launchers to not suck and they look better now with krak being decent weapons

>>54075224
that's a nice diorama

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So this does S12 4D3 damage if fired from exactly 72 inches away, but you can't reposition before shooting...

Any ways around that, to make it happen?

>>54075224
that is pretty incredible. Its so rare to see action done well.

>>54075361
Plasma > everything else.

Not that theres neccesarily anything wrong with grenade launchers, but for pt cost/effect on table, the newly cheapened plasma guns shit on every other weapon option, unless you regularly play nids, orks or blobguard.

>>54075255
typhus I mean

>>54075300
It's just you, dumbass.

Before, you couldn't charge from Ambush on anything but a 6. If you were in a particular Formation, you could roll two dice, or three with the Primus, but still needed a 6, and Purestrains couldn't even be in that Formation.

Now you get a guaranteed charge on a 6, and a basically guaranteed charge on a 5, and still have a pretty good chance of making the charge on a 4, or even a 3 if you can deploy around the corner behind LoS blocking terrain, and even on a 1 or a 2 if you can manage to get the proper table edge you can still potentially charge.

On top of that, Primus allows you to re-roll the result, and you can spend a command point to re-roll another result.

So for example a unit of Purestrains has a 5+ re-rollable (about 55% chance) of getting a more or less guaranteed charge from Ambush, or a 75% chance of at LEAST getting the same odds of making the charge from Ambush as it would if it was coming in from a Trygon tunnel.

>>54075313
soulburner is a hand weapon for the fist, we are talking main weapons

>>54075343
140 points for a 58% chance at 2D3 mortal wounds doesn't very good.

>>54075098
so thats basically like driving a forklift across a battlefield?

How do I deal with hoards as Dark Eldar? I'm legitimately terrified of shit like Orks. Splinter weapons are mostly shit, especially against T3 hordes like nids.

>>54075419
yes but they're as effective as some main weapon. Anyway if you want to shot smthg for me th decimator with 4d3 mortal wounds is superior

>>54075098

Jealous, I had to convert mine to have two sentinel chainsaws.

>>54075434
140 points for a 58% chance to kill 2 Terminators no questions asked seems good in my book...

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>>54075131
Battlebunker in Seattle back in 2008. I never used it. Had planned to paint it as a display piece.

Now I want to use it.

>>54075174
He said no.

Also counting myself that's now 2 for hazard yellow.

>>54075132
The color is what I'm trying to figure out m8.

>>54075128
Kind of torn. Bare metal might make it a bit to
Also: Anyone know where to find Sentinel Legs cheap? I have 6 cockpits that are legless - bought them back in the day when I was trying to do some conversion shit. Now I wish I had the legs...

Furthermore: Sabre Platforms piss me off now.
>Twin heavy stubber
>Model armed with FOUR heavy stubber

GIMME MY FUCKING EXTRA SHOTS

>>54075434
It's 160 points actually, but it's still good.

They're also 3++ synapse and they get to spam that out every turn. A command re-roll in the psychic phase makes it pretty reliable.

When you consider that mortal wounds wound automatically, and ignore all saves, then do the math for hitting, then wounding, then beating the save on any other shooting thing you can field for 160 points, they come out looking pretty good.

>>54075450
I know literally nothing about DEldar
But as an Ork player I would say that if you can use your speed to get a charge off with a high attack yield CC unit or two you're gunna do damage

Also use that speed to avoid the Orks assault until you've cut them down a bit

>>54075474
Is the mod going ape-shit....

>>54075450
The Flyers are somewhat decent at racking up a nice kill count, as are Taloi and Cronoi, but yeah, low Toughness blobs are the Deldar's kryptonite.

>>54075238
Well your gonna wanna run black knights so, they are like 150 points for 3 at 50 a box, def want some dark shrouds which ar 65 a box which also make land speeder vengeance. So you do the math out.

>>54075434
3++ synapse is ok tho

>>54075407
You've made some logical errors in your post anon, allow me to fix them.

You've got a 50% chance of getting a result that allows for a 9 inch charge. 9 inch charges are not even close to guaranteed, in fact, they're fairly unlikely, unless you spend a limited resource to reroll, in which case, they go to about 60% IIRC. The only result that gives you a guaranteed charge is a 6. Further, you can no longer redeploy with your GSC units, taking away a ton of the flexibility the army offered.

So, to sum it up: GSC got less flexible, and every other faction got far more reliable deep striking. It's a bad situation.

>>54075503

Decided I'd rather correct a post than repost multiple times like an attention whore.

Hey, gents.
Quick question, in case I missed it somewhere.
So, having a unit embarked on a fortification firing it's weapons only allows it to shoot units further away, while not altering it's bs at all. Does that seem silly to you?

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Why are iron warriors so cool?

>>54075554
Gotcha, that was a nice pupper you posted, my pupper has blue eyes too

>>54075450
Razorwing jetfighter could be an option. With a splinter cannon, disintigrator cannons and a necrotoxin missile you can be looking at 18 shots a turn, which should make a dent.

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I'm thinking of just running scourges instead of kabalites, opinions?

Was thinking something like

HQ
Drazhar
Haemonculus

Elites
5 mandrakes
7 incubi
7 incubi

Fast
5 scourge 1 blaster
5 scourge 1 blaster
5 scourge 1 blaster
5 scourge 1 blaster
5 scourge 4 blaster
5 scourge 4 blaster

Heavy
Dark lance ravager
Dark lance ravager
Reaper
Tantalus

Clocks in at 1998 points, 114 power level.

Opinions?

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Remember to ignore Orkposters.

Ignore Orks.

Orks are WAAC scum.

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>>54075562

>>54075371
>S12
>wounds T7 the same as S8
>not just taking butcher cannons

>>54075570
you forgot to put in transports

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>>54075587
Ah Rog-Ass PopDorn hahaha

So now that it's possible to ally IG with nids by taking a single Auxillary Detachment Cult Scout Sentinel, what IG units combine best with a nid army?

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>>54075390
You have a cute cat. Here's my fat Holstein-looking cunt in the back.

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>>54075562
Because they don't take shit from anyone including chaos

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>>54075562
Only legion out of the 18 than actually fielded professional soldiers rather than glory-seeking warriors.

>>54075595

They're all deepstriking, I know venoms are amazing but this is an alternative list I'm thinking. The incubi and hq are in the tantalus

>>54075541
>You've got a 50% chance of getting a result that allows for a 9 inch charge.
Not quite, because 2/3rds of that greatly increase the chance of or guarantee the charge.

You've got a 50% chance of AT LEAST attempting a 9-inch charge, which is no worse than the best Tyranids can do out of Trygon tunnels or Tyrannocytes.

>>54075082
Dont take the pod. He is a character with less than 10 wounds, so hide him behind something and walk him up.

>>54075638
>They're all deepstriking
Only half of your units, rounded down, can start off the table.

>>54075570
>make a primaris Buzz Lightyear
>don't give it a dome helmet

0 out of infinity.

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Who's more powerful, Orks or Deldar?

Also, are harlequins completely bullshit? Their bikes can go 24" and charge. The solitaire can blitz 12+3d6 inches and charge turn one. Troupes, with the help of a shadow seer, can move 16+2d6" and charge turn one.

I imagine it would be pretty common to see a good portion of their army in combat turn one.

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What's the best main gun on a Siege Dread?

The Multi-melta synergises fairly well with the mandatory Melta, but as a single shot weapon hitting on 4+ because it's charging forwards, I'm not too certain it's all that great. (Also note the -1 to hit on the melee weapon, this is a dread that'll never hit on a 3+)

Inferno cannon is a worse twin linked heavy flamer, less reliable because it shoots once and does double damage instead of shooting twice at 1 damage per shot.

Autocannon seems okay, but with the 4+ when moving I'd have honestly preferred to have went with a higher rate of fire machine gun.

Still, all of those have some pros, the real poor choice I think would be the twin lascannon: Really expensive, better on an immobile dread rather than a mixed shoot/punch dread.

Any thoughts?

>>54075639
50% chance of attempting a 9 inch charge is worse than what nids can do because nids get a 100% chance of attempting a 9 inch charge, and can actually GUARANTEE it with the swarmlord. Which is a bit of a stronger gaurantee than your "55% guaranteed".

>>54075660

8 units on board 7 units off (hq count as individual units)

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What's the best loadout for a Battlewagon carrying Flash Gitz?

>>54075676
No wings either. Low energy as fuck, would absolutely not let into Star Command.

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>>54075607

>>54075590

I run loyalist, you can keep your butcher cannons mate.

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>>54075676

Forge World have rules for Dreadnought Drop Pods yet?

>>54075692
Kilikannon, kannon, four rokkits.
dakka dakka dakka dakka.

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Anyone know where I could find wings that would scale well with imperial guardsmen? Ideally wings that look artificial/static rather than in-flight.

Needed for reasons.

>>54075689
>nids need a 300 point special character who needs a delivery system to get within 6" of the deep striking unit
>GSC need a 76 point character who can be taken in multiples and is his own delivery system and also buffs the purestrains to hit on 2+ like a Broodlord
It's a more than fair trade-off.

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>>54075617
>>54075565
Thanks m8s. Also nice Chaos Marine paint job there. Not perfect, sure, but better than I can do.

I lost one a year ago almost. My first loss. I sat there holding him for two hours before I let them put him to sleep. He was purring the entire time, out-of-pain on painkillers I made them give him. Made the decision to hold him until his purring stopped. Cried for another hour.

Since then I refuse to not shove my remaining two cats into everything in an attempt to make up for not taking enough photos of my buddy. Coping mechanism, like sharing this story is right now. Sorry.

>>54075570
I actually like this paint scheme. If it wasn't for Buzz connotations I'd actually do some up that way.

>>54075676
This, though, is true too.

>>54075753
The patriarch doesn't improve deep strike reliability. The swarmlord is more than worth the points.

So any tips on my smite problem?
I tried using my sniper scouts on them, but from disgustingly resilient and their large wound pool I did jack shit

>>54075777
Primus, not Patriarch.

Would it be worth to pick up another Skitarii Box when I already got one? I'm currently playing a setup involving
>Crawler with Laser + 2 Heavy Stubber
>TechPriest with Pistol and Blaster
>10 Vanguards with 2 Plasmas and 1 Arc rifle
I'd probably play a similar setup with the new box but I think I'll get squashed by horde/non-tank armies. How good is this Icarus array nowadays in ~1k? Or should I even buy anthing else (if so, what)?

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>>54075495
>tfw they're Tyranid brand psychic snipers

>>54075504
>>54075566

I'm getting a Razorwing soon, but I do love my Raven. However, I don't see them putting enough of a dent into one squad of boyz let alone 2, which our ork player frequently does. Mob rule doesn't make things any easier, either.

>moral is the weakness of hordes!
>lol they're all immune ¯\_(ツ)_/ ¯

>>54075503
As dumb as it sounds, ork shooting worries me as deldar because shit like lootas hit hard, and can swing harder when they roll well because they're dumping up to 30 shots per unit. A few hits is all it takes because they wound all my vehicles on 3+

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>>54075763
Sorry to hear that anon, dog went a couple months back. Was expecting it so it didnt hit hard but its weird to turn in my chair and not have him sitting there. The cat was a kitten when we got her and she's knew him her entire life, sometimes at night she yowls looking for him still ;-;

>>54075808
Fair enough, but you still aren't "guaranteeing" a charge with the primus.

>>54075842
Not really, 18" range and only target the nearest unit. They need some finagling. They're still pretty good though.

>>54075842
Clean your moldlines and drill your barrels.

>>54074622
Food? I haven't seen food in two hundred years. There's the shit on a shingle the servitors bring, and water. I'd eat my boots if I knew the commissar wouldn't BLAM me for wasting the material.

>>54075856
You don't need to, old Cult Ambush never did either. But the odds greatly improved.

>>54075176
Looks good Lad. Nicely done.

>>54075853
Im actually working on a shooty Ork list right now, im slowly realizing that it isnt anything to sneeze at anymore since everything can wound anything. The sheer volume is the terrifying part, look out for the artillery gunz as well.

Also Lootas are one of, if not the best, units in the game for taking out light to medium vehicles and that hasnt changed in 8th

>>54075842
>snipers
If they could actually choose their targets, sure.

>>54075871
While everyone else's odds improved to 100%? How do you not get that this argument is relative at this point?

Anyways, no, the odds are worse. You can only roll 2 dice with the current rules, while the old ones let you roll 3 for your first ambush, and IIRC 2 to get a warlord trait that would let you guarantee the roll of ambushes. So the odds definitely got worse.

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>>54075763
My mom had mine put down while I was away at college. He was white with black spots like the last one I posted, only with more white. He only had spots on his face, the middle of his back, one hind leg and a black tail. I knew he was getting too old to keep on the way he was, but I wanted to be there for him at the end. They never even told me;
I just got home at the end of the semester and he was gone. I cried the entire night and still won't forgive my mom for it. That cat was my best friend for almost twenty years and she wouldn't even let me say goodbye to him. To top it off, the vet gave her a clay pawprint they took of him to give me later, and I'm about 90%
sure it's not even the same cat because mine had extra toes and the clay print doesn't.

I got the guy in that last photo a couple years ago,
he was a barn cat just like my last one,
only I found him as a baby outside my girlfriend's barn just before we moved out on our own. I've raised him ever since. He must have been small enough to fit in the palm of my hand, no mother cat or siblings in sight.
Little guy's like a son to me.

Thanks for liking my paint job though. I wish I had the time to paint more of my dudes. I still have 5 more marines to do and then some daemons. I'm probably gonna grab some spray paint this weekend to speed things up.

>>54075729

Yeah: 120 points, grants a dreadnought deep strike and also you place a piece of terrain that does nothing.

Utterly not worth it ever. Take a Stormraven instead.

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>>54075763
>>54075855
;_;
i miss my kitty, he was a stray that we rescued, we had to have him put down because he had feline leukemia and there wasnt any treatment, about 6 months ago

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>all of my friends play Guard, including me
>our extended campaign for control over a city has detracted into Stalingrad 2: Lasgun Boogaloo
>rattenkrieg to the maximum, half my Guardsman squads are just modelled with knives and laspistols now

war is hell

>>54075996
What regiments do you guys have? I love seeing all the different flavors of Guard out there.

>>54075925
forgive your mommy, my dude, she was just doing what she thought was best for her little guy. one day you wont have a mommy and you gonna wish you didnt act like that. take it from an anon who knows.

Anyone got that primaris template?

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Best way to simulate Ordo Reductor in 40k? I love the powered by hate and borserline tech-heresy approach where Magos are given a problem and told to fix it. Nothing off limits except pure heresy, and breaking out the doomsday weapons. I figured Mechanicus army with Guard artillery, probably some Deathstrike missiles. What's the best way to simulate the nothinf off limits it has to die Reductor approach?

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>>54075996

What are the point of Grabbin Klaws and Wreckin Ballz? They're kinda lackluster and the Grabbin Klaw lost out on a cool rule opportunity to not allow enemy vehicles to flee from combat

>>54075918
>While everyone else's odds improved to 100%?
What? Everyone else's odds are the same as the 4 result on the Ambush table, unless you use Swarmlord and a Tyrannocyte. Are you an idiot?

>You can only roll 2 dice with the current rules, while the old ones let you roll 3 for your first ambush
Only on one squad in a Formation with particular units and you needed 6's back then while now you really only need 5+ and a 4 or lower still has a chance

>and IIRC 2 to get a warlord trait that would let you guarantee the roll of ambushes
Nobody has Warlord traits anymore until the Codexes come out.

Your math is terrible.

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is there any real reason to take a sorcerer in terminator armor over one in power armor, its 50more points just for a 2+ save and an extra wound

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>>54076015

>mfw its all cadians

>>54075909
Yea. Lootas are disgusting, and flash gits aren't far behind. This guy also takes artillery and the plasma one is gross.

>>54076076

All sorcerers should be riding on dicks of Tzeentch.

>>54076015
I run Steel Legion. Two guys are just straight Cadian 8th, one guy is Tallarn. The wealthy guy, naturally, has a Krieg army, and our newest guy is using Praetorians who march in neat lines and only fire in volleys yet still manage to win a fair few rounds.

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>>54075925

Damn anon that's rough. Found this guy on my porch one night as a baby. Follows me around everywhere like a dog. It's kinda funny.

Is a Gorkanaut any good for an Ork army that wants to lean towards a more boyz oriented style? I'm still pretty new to 40k and I love the look of Orks and I want to put together a 2k point force of them. I like the idea of a big scary center piece in the middle of a sea of green but I'm not so sure about its viability.

>>54074774
just download the index from the links in the OP anon. Can't help you beyond that.

>>54075834
Yeah, pick it up. Icarus array is great, neutron laser is still good for anti-tank. With the current meta though, icarus would be better.

>>54076104
thanks, didnt really answer my question but sure

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>>54075909
Like this?

>>54076075
You are definitely retarded.

Before this edition:

GSC had some of the most reliable deep striking there was, were incredibly mobile. Everyone else had to deal with scatters and mishaps, and most units couldn't do it.

After this edition: Everyone gets accurate deep strike and can charge. Except GSC. Instead, they get accurate deep strike 50% of the time, and can no longer redeploy for super mobility.

Cult Ambush sucks now. I don't see any reason to ever take Purestrain genestealers over regular genestealers and a swarmlord, unless you're being fluffy. Actually, I'm having a hard time coming up with reasons to take GSC at all, beyond as a tax to get access to Scion command squads and other AM goodies.

Plasma guns or volleyguns for my dedicated anti-MEQ squads? I'm trying to put together a fluffy list of only Scions and/or stuff that fits well with them aesthetically. Volleyguns are obviously weaker, but they get four times/double the shots depending on whether plasma is in RF range. Deep strike on all my infantry means that I can drop directly into RF range, though.

Commissars are too un-Scion-y and it's really gonna fucking hurt not having any. Plus they don't have DS.

>tfw no Chaos snipers

Why live?

>>54076108
Piebalds are the cutest shit.

>>54076076

Not really because taking a jump pack is infinitely better because of the mobility. You can drop him wherever you want and reposition him 12" for other buffs.

>>54076156
>Why live?
BURN
KILL
MAIM

>>54076101
If those Gitz roll a 6 on their Gun Mainiaks rule then they put out so much firepower its obscene

>>54076115
It would be a perfect centerpiece to a high boyz count army and it is quite viable in the index right now, has something like 18 attacks

>>54076143
Less MekGunz more Lootas, Flash GItz, and Dakkajets and shoota boyz

>>54075842
cool concept but drill out those HBs and clear mold lines

>>54076156
>tfw nids can take ratlings to deal with commissars now.

>>54076169
Main kill burn sounds better on the tongue.

>>54076152

>no commissars

Not in the new scion fluff, commissars operate with scions all the time. They're all Tempestus

Anyway volley guns are quite points efficient against MEQ and have the bonus of not caring about being in rapid fire range. Taking 4 is by no means gimping yourself

>>54076142

You can't wear terminator armour and ride a disk.

>>54076049
>Wreckin Ball
Usefull for Trukks since they don't get Deff Rollas

>Grabbin Klaw
Yet another unit/weapon to slip through the cracks in 8e

>>54075176
Lookin' nice! I'm also finishing up a lot of my boys today, got a game next week and I want to make a list out of my fully painted minis.

>>54076185
>Main

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>>54074439
Phone poster go away REEE

>ib4 i'm phoneposting too

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>MFW debating getting a 3D printer and getting good enough at modeling to print out custom Squiggoths and a Gargantuan Squiggoth

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Can anyone defeat Kitten at Hyperdimension Strip Laser Poker Chicken or whatever?

>>54076149
>GSC had some of the most reliable deep striking there was
They didn't have Deep Striking at all, they had a modified infiltrate, and no it was not as reliable as it is now.

>and most units couldn't do it.
They still can't you fucking tard. Drop Pods and Tcytes went up in price, tons of things that had Deep Strike lost it, meanwhile GSC gets Ambush on their entire army. They don't have to pay for delivery systems.

>After this edition: Everyone gets accurate deep strike and can charge. Except GSC.
Everyone else shows up 9" away.

GSC show up 9" away on their worst results, and on their best they get a D6" move or a full free move after arriving.

Other units rarely get Deep Strike at all unless they're expensive specialists like Terminators or Crisis Suits or pay for Deep Striking transports.

Obliterators sculpt update when?

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>>54076152
Plasma. It's just better due to the higher strength, and getting your stormtroopers into rapid fire range is easy.

Volleyguns can't fire after deep striking either.

>>54076227
https://youtu.be/MPMqzuvTpPI?t=38

Is thee any point to plasma on a dread?

>>54076266

>volleyguns cant fire after deep striking either

It's time for you to go read how heavy weapons work again

How would I go about converting a power scourge that works for a properly modeled (That is to say, non-organic) thousand sons Helbrute?

>>54075162
You have to switch the whole squad you can't pick and choose unfortunately.

>>54076286
>Playing 8th

>>54075741
Puppets of war has some

How are you supposed to get LR units into a charge?

You have to disembark before moving the transport, so it kind of loses the element of the transport rolling up and dropping the assault ramp.

Are terminators and assault centurions supposed to just footslog it?

>>54076256
No, on their worst results GSC show up on the wrong board side. Have you even read the fucking chart?

>>54076255
No

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>>54076266
>stormtroopers

Can you not? Please use their GW corporate sanctioned name of Militarum™ Tempestus™ Scions™

>>54076265

Chaos Undivided will never get new sculpts.

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>>54075763
Im sorry Tigger, my phone was dead for the first time in months and I didnt get the call from the vet that you had to be put down because it was Leukemia. Im so sorry I wasnt there for you.

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>>54076361
Never.

>>54076141
Would you still go for another 10 Vanguards, or maybe split to 5 vanguards (probably 2 plasmas again) and 5 Rangers with snipers for removing buff units? They seem to appear in every list so far and i think it would be a decent change and could do great.

Also will take the 2nd crawler with the Icarus Array then. Thanks!

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>>54076306
Give him one of those flaming ball flails the Skaven screaming bells use?

>>54076256
GSC had functional deep strike. Sure, it was modified infiltrate, but it allowed you to do what deep strike did. That's a retarded dip into semantics moron.

Nids have a plethora of deep striking units that aren't drop pods and tcytes. But tcytes are absolutely worth it for the reliability they grant you in combination with a swarmlord.

GSC show up on the wrong side of the battlefield on their worst results.

>>54076034
Honestly, an imperial army with a battalion detachment of admech with a dominus and kataphron destroyers, and a spearhead detachment with a company commander, two masters of ordnance, and then fill your heavy support slots with any of the artillery tanks: I recommend two units of wyverns and then whatever you want to fill out with. Other option would be artillery emplacements from forgeworld, but the master of ordnance doesn't buff them (for some reason).

>>54076343
Thanks.

>>54076391

Oh Fuck I actually own one of those.

Would need to convert it to not be on a wooden arm, mind.

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>>54076306
get yourself some thin gauged wire, bend it a few times, flesh it out in green stuff, paint it to look like eldritch sorcery, stick glue to it in places, stick sand to the glue, paint the sand to look like different colored some sort of other eldritch sorcery, ?????

>>54076391
or just do something like this

>>54076422
>Would need to convert it to not be on a wooden arm
That would be easy.

Either cut off the wooden part and reattach something like a plasticard I-beam or just file off the wood grain.

Does anyone have a link to a pdf version of Chaotica Apocrypha?

Does anyone have advice on building SM lists these days? I feel like everything I know from 7th is completely wrong now.

>>54076361
To be fair, I kinda like the "official" High Gothic terms for the different branches. I was reading the Yarrick novels and he only ever refers to the "Astra Militarum" or what-have-you once in an official capacity. The rest of the time he just says he was a stormtrooper and misses it a bunch because of how less complicated everything was.

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>>54076415
For reverse image seaecv

>play dark eldar
>that guy won't shut up about his Primaris shit
>challenges me to game
>he said the words "I challenge you, anon"
>ok fine
>he goes first and does largely nothing because I deployed back
>my turn
>voidraven knockes a dude off his plasma with bomb
>everything else moves forward
>anal devestation begins
>void raven annihilates rest of plasma squad with dscythes
>damages another with missiles
>raider with DiCannon nukes down wounded squad
>finished off with splinter shots from kabalites
>meanwhile blaster and lances begin on another squad
>trueborn finish off squad
>hellions and reavers cripple next squad
>reavers charge wounded squad
>hellions charge fresh squad
>reavers kill that squad
>"wait they do 2 damage in melee? Hellions are fucking bullshit"

He barely had a second turn.

How the fuck does the thresher tail work on a carnifex? does it turn all of your attacks into d3 attacks, or just d3 chances to hit per attack

>>54076106

sounds swell

terrain pics?

>>54076488

In his defense, dark eldar *are* pretty bullshit

>>54076444

Yeah, but I'm thinking more like

>>54076434

Where it's being swung by a regular dread arm could be good. I should be able to get my hands on a spare Furioso right arm.

>>54076489
It's D3 extra attacks.

>>54076353
Your opponent picks two table edges, at least one of those need to be a flank and there's a 50% chance you show up in his backline on that flank. So it depends on positioning but it still is strictly better than the old ambush result of 1. How are you not getting this?

7th edition ambush results:
6 - 100% charge chance
5 - 0% charge chance
4 - 0% charge chance
3 - 0% charge chance
2 - 0% charge chance
1 - 0% charge chance

8th edition
6 - 100% charge chance
5 - ~74% charge chance without using command re-rolls
4 - ~27% charge chance without using command re-rolls
3 - as above if you deploy out of LoS
2 - can be as good as 4 dependent on positioning and the roll for table edge
1 - same as 2

Overall percentages:
7th edition:
16.66% chance to charge
30% chance with the Formation that lets you roll 2 dice

8th edition:
38.88% chance to charge dependant on conditions if you roll a 3, and not even counting the conditions that may allow for a charge on a 1 or 2
That's without using any command re-rolls.

Compared to actual Tyranids, the best army in the game at charging from Reserve, which, with adrenal glands (which aren't even available to all of their units that can DS by the way, their genestealers and raveners can't take them for example), can get a 41% chance to make the charge from Deep Strike without using re-rolls, or guarantee ONE of them with a unique special character.

>>54076522
per attack right? so 4d3 attacks?

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>>54075925
I'm so sorry anon. I know how you feel... I had to be there for mine. It hurt.. but I couldn't imagine what you went through. I got a clay print too, but I know he's the same because my other cats identify the scent and spent a while mourning him over it.

I hate to say it but >>54076020 is right. She didn't mean ill by it. Your current cat is basically what Rocky was to me, a son more than even a friend.

>>54075964
Leo (the white cat you see) - he had Feline Leukemia but was fighting it off. He succeeded and beat it back. This happened 3 months AFTER I put Rocky down (the brown cat) so I literally spent all the moneys on trying to insure he succeeded. He did, but only with a lot of care to improve his immune system. And $400 in blood work to be 100% sure he and my 3rd cat were no infected.

>>54075855
I know that feel.

I actually almost lost my father. To-fucking-day. He had a gall bladder infection and was to stubborn to see why he was so sick. Turns out it was gangrenous and the infection had spread to his body. They resorted to Drugs of Last Resort to save his life. Taking the organ out was more like pulling out rotten cat food from a hole in the ground, the surgeon said.

I'm venting my problems but, you know, I apologize. Here is why Warhammer 40K helps me. So the mods understand I am trying to be on topic.

>2015, co-worker shoots self, i wreck my car
>2016, august Rocky dies, 2 weeks later my grandma dies, in november my grandfather dies
>2017, my father nearly dies to Nurgle's Rot
>All this going on while I'm trying to finish my last year of college

40K is literally one of 3 things keeping me from spiraling into total depression. 1) my boyfriend, 2) my cats, 3) 40k. I have nothing else. My parents support me but they aren't "goals" in life you know?

Also, Rocky used to play fetch. Leo doesn't, nor does Miss Kitty. I'll never have Rocky back.

>>54076522
No it isn't, it's D3 attacks instead of 1 for each attack you make with it.

>>54076541
Yes. For each attack you make with the tail roll D3 and make that many instead.

>>54076541
Yes

>>54076551
My cat sorta plays catch too, its really fucking weird

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>>54076551

I love my old girl. She is 20 years old next tuesday and recently has become just as spry as she was when she was little. She has a good long time left at this rate and it makes me so so happy.

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>dude in our playgroup is incapable of understanding how cover works
>insists that his vehicles get cover behind a building
>keeps giving his units aura buffs while inside transports
>mfw people are too stupid for 9 pages of rules

Are plasma cannon devs any good this edition?

Do they require a reroll HQ nearby, or should I just go with ML/LC?

>>54076588
Ive seen that picture before. some guy that uses a name here posted it the other day talking about how much he loved his Lychguard.

Do I go with 10 termies with combi-plas or 2 squads of plasma Havocs in a dreadclaw? The advantage of the termies is being able to get +1 hit from the sorcerer while being tough as nails.

>>54076152
plasma guns
disembarking and deep striking counts as having moved so heavy 4 really hurts

>>54076588
>20
what the fuck

>>54076641
>so heavy 4 really hurts
i meant that as in it's bad to have heavy with teh -1 to hit

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Guy at my local game store learning to play.

Shoots his Vanquisher cannon at poxwalkers.

>>54076488

>Playing a WAAC race

baka senpai
Play something more balanced like Craftworld Eldar

>>54076589
How hard is it to go to the rules page that shows him he can't do this, point to it with your finger, and put it in his face and make him read it?

If he still insists on being retarded after that, just don't play with him anymore.

>>54076589

So wait... why don't they?

I just looked through the rulebook but I didn't see anything about vehicles not getting cover, or about auras not working in transports.

>>54076679
Maybe he wanted that one poxwalker in particular smeared across the table

>>54076641
>>54076656
Pretty sure volley guns still do more damage than plasma to MEQ.

>>54076623
Yes thats me, I took my name off so I could shitpost without people attaching my shitposts to my name in the future.

>>54076702
Well he did kill it in the end.

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>>54076577
Leo is a dumb little shit who only climbs on top of things so I can pick him up and help him down. That's his idea of fun. FETCH THE STICK STUPID. I love him so much.

>>54076588
I'm glad for you anon.

Now to take this back on topic...

I'm considering making a 'unified' Imperium list. Sentinel + Sabres of fucking course in it. I have a Demolisher, Hellhound, 10 Storm Troopers (the ones with the derp faces posted a few weeks back), and about 50 un-assembled guardsmen and enough heavy weapons to make an Ork blush. Not to mention 3K of Sisters and tons of Ultra Marines because I'm a faggot (entire 1st company and parts of others.)

Should I bother building up the guard army, or just use tanks + for-fun units and shove them into something like Sisters, or with an Inquisitor?

Trying to figure out a direction for my hobby now.

>>54076703
they probably do
but plasma guns are actually cheaper and much more versatile

>>54076699
You only get cover for being in terrain and the transport section covers auras not working.

>>54076525
You are being really generous and intellectually dishonest here.

Consider the following: In 7th edition, you were going to run a subteranean assault, and, IIRC, the unit that allowed a second dice on the roll. You were also going to be trying for trait 6 for your warlord, with a reroll. So, this results in 5 dice. If any of those dice is a 6, you get a charge off. The odds of getting 1 six while rolling 5 dice is 59%

So in 7th edition, with a properly built army, you have a 59% chance of getting the charge if you want it.

So it's pretty easy to establish, using your own numbers for 8e, and the correct numbers for 7e, that the charge chance went down for GSC.

But other armies benefited from the ability to actually get a charge out of a deep strike.

So other armies got better, and GSC got less reliable. And less mobile, and less plentiful (seriously, no summoning points option for GSC using cult ambush?).

Reliability and consistency are all incredibly important, and GSC no longer have it.

>>54076390
Split them and give the rangers 2 trans arqs.

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>>54076699
>or about auras not working in transports.

It's unbelievable how dense some people are ...

>>54076731

>You only get cover for being in terrain

Right. Line of Sight and Cover are different mechanics. 40k's wording has always tripped me up... took me embarassingly long to understand that "hit" and "wound" were different, and "kill" was not a 3rd stage... "advance" and "movement" are tripping me up on the regular now... and here I just confused no LoS with being in cover.

>transport section covers auras not working.

Checked it again, yep, you're right.

Can someone explain how acts of faith work?

Don't have sisters index and facing a player of them tomorrow.

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Haven't played the game since 4th edition, not really sure how it's shaking out. How's this for a 1k starter list? Am I going too hard for CP with that 2nd HQ? Should I replace him with more dakka for my Onagers and troops?

>>54075684
This thing will need to arrive in a drop pod because short-ranged weapons+6" move=very easily ignored 200 point war machine.

>>54076747
>You were also going to be trying for trait 6 for your warlord, with a reroll. So, this results in 5 dice. If any of those dice is a 6, you get a charge off.
With one unit, using a Warlord trait, which NO ONE has access to anymore.

The average of getting a charge off with any individual unit now in GSC is higher without re-rolls than it was before with ONLY the units using the Subterranean Uprising Formation. Do you get it?

The charge chance went up across the board when you factor in multiple units and not the one unit with the Warlord, BEFORE using re-rolls which you now have access to from multiple sources.

Your charge chance is also higher than every other army except for Tyranids, how the fuck is that not consistency?

You clearly don't even play the fucking game considering you can't remember half this shit.

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>>54076812

New player, got a question

Would it be illegal/weird/too much snowflake, to have a fleet based Primaris chapter with strong Mechanicus ties (as in I want to field a bunch of Vanguard & artillery units) & also have the chapter be known for having strong/many pskyers?

Why the fuck is a Falcon 70 points more than a Wave Serpent?

>>54076106
That sounds soooo cooool!

Why are you not posting battle reports!?

>>54076812
Free action on a roll of 2+ - some units give their army more but the same unit can't do one twice.

How I used them last game:
>4x Storm Bolters in Dominion squad
>Divine Guidance at double tap range
>16 shots before moving them
>Move
>Shooting phase, 16 more shots

>>54076812
Once per turn an army that includes a unit with the "acts of faith" rule can roll at the beginning of their turn (before movement). If they get a 2+, they can perform an act of faith which lets the unit Move, Shoot, Pile in and Fight (if within 1 inch), or restore wounds/models.

If the army has St. Celestine, they get an additional, guaranteed act of faith that can affect any unit with the adeptus soritas keyword (including tanks) within 6 inches of Celstine

If the army has imagifiers, they get an additional chance of an act of faith similar to St. Celestine (can affect tanks), but have to roll. On a 4+, a unit within 6 inches can do it.

>>54076838
>Illegal
no

>Weird
Not really

>Snowflake
40k is a game of special snowflakes

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In 8th it is possible to shoot a pistol (full mag, e.g. 5 shots from a Macrostubber) in melee while also attacking with your melee weapon right?

>sicarian infiltrators squad of 10
>flechette + taser goads
>pistol 5 S3 AP0, 50 'spray n pray' shots
>A3 (A4 on princeps) S6 AP0 attacks in melee (31 attacks) where 6s give you 3 instead of 1 hit

Please tell me this is possible, I just want to roll a fuckton of dice even if the outcome is mediocre.

>>54076879
>In 8th it is possible to shoot a pistol (full mag, e.g. 5 shots from a Macrostubber) in melee while also attacking with your melee weapon right?
You shoot pistols in the shooting phase and attack with melee weapons in the fight phase. You dont resolve these at the same time.

>>54076879
You shoot with the Pistol in the Shooting Phase, even if you're in melee.
You never shoot pistols in the Fight phase.

Aside from that, sure. Nothing saying you don't fire all the shots.

>>54076838
Having strong ties to the Mechanicus basically means you're an Iron Hands successor chapter, nothing wrong with that, and there are plenty fleet based chapters. Though being known for many psykers is a bit odd without a clear reason for it, except the Inquisition supplies them with a lot of psychic recruits, but being buddies with the Mechanicus and the Inquisition as well is unlikely.

>>54076835
You can't disregard the warlord trait anon. It was part of the reliability of cult ambush in 7e. Without it, the odds are much worse in 8e.

>much higher for any other army

Chaos can deep strike and cast it's movement spell, resulting in a charge. Odds are basically just the odds of beating a psychic test (better than the odds of rolling a 6 on cult ambush).

Harlequins can do something similar, I'm fairly certain, with their psychic phase, and the solitaire.

AM can move and charge out of valkyries with far better odds than the GSC.

Sisters can put dominions in a repressor, move it 36 inches in the first turn, and charge it straight up someone's ass.

Even the fucking Tau get a guaranteed charge turn 1: They can infiltrate with stealth suits, homing beacon in for a deep strike with no limits on how close you can be to the enemy. You can actually teleport units directly into melee combat, skipping overwatch, with the tau. It's not useful, but it goes to show just how fucking gimped GSC are compared to their past incarnation, and 8e generally.

>>54076894
>>54076903
Ah okay. But that's fine. Rolling that many dice split into 2 phases sounds good. Thanks.

Coming back to the game. Tell me how to Thousand Sons in 8th.

Also, is there an army builder out there now?

>>54074442
I threw up in my mouth

>>54076956

The important question is do you want to thousand sons with a whole bunch of actual thousand sons, or are you just looking to have a Primarch model swoop around whilst a handful of guys play cheerleader?

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>>54074372
Can someone explain to me why Games Workshop products are as expensive as they are?
I was thinking about getting into 40k due to the hype surrounding 8th edition, but then I saw the price tags. It's not that I can't afford it, it's that I don't want to give money to a company if they're gouging their customers just because they can.
No other game charges such absurd prices for their minis, so can someone explain to me what exactly justifies such absurd prices?

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Cat posting?

>>54076929
>You can actually teleport units directly into melee combat, skipping overwatch, with the tau.

But models are not allowed to be moved within 1'' of enemy models in the Movement phase. And 'deep striking' means units counts as having moved in their movement phase for ALL rules purposes, so that includes the 1'' no go zone.

>Trust Taufags to already start bending the rules.

>>54076982
I don't like cats.

>>54076985
That is by far, the dumbest semantic argument I've ever seen.

>>54076982
That looks like a scene from a monster movie.

>>54076836
>still using these old ass leaks

>>54076974

They have a copyright on the 40k IP, a near monopoly on high-quality mass-available sci fi miniatures, and they have a very good marketing strategy, so they have incentive to make their prices high. People buy them in high enough volume to match GWs growth targets and fill their revenue column, so there's no reason to lower them.

>>54077011
Why would I bother updating.

>>54076974
Best sculpts in the biz

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>>54076974
>I'm okay with 99% of the stuff I use and buy in everyday life being made by exploited third worlders and chinese but I will make a stand against that gaming company that upmarks its toys

fuck right off buddy

A new Daemons player here. What exactly should I be using for anti-tank and anti-fuck-huge-monsters other than "a similarly fuck-huge-monster"? Magic? I heard Tzeentch was asstastic this edition, so I'm a little cautious about using a herald of tzeentch or Lord of Change.

>>54077011
>>54077031
For clarity? There are several areas in the photo leaks that are unreadable.

Also, there is some lore!

anyone know where this pic is from? >>54076246

>>54076982
tfw cat bites off pointy things on minis if they're left in the open
doesnt eat them or anything, just bites them off and leaves em lying about around the mini

So how does firing at artillery carriges work exactly? The gun is T7 but the crew is T3 so what do you roll when it comes to applying wounds? I know in 7th it worked as if you were wounding the gun and rolling against its toughness but I cant find anything explaining how it works in 8th

>>54077040
You know what? This.

Is there a reason to take a pistol over a chainsword for a model that already has a ranged weapon?

Talking regular pistol here, it seems like the chainsword's extra attack makes it better

>>54077052
It's pretty rare that I actually need to look at it. 90% of it is for stuff I don't play after all.

>>54077040
The difference is choice. This is a luxury hobby, not food or clothing that I need to function on a day-to-day basis. False equivalency is false.

>>54076255
>Can anyone defeat Kitten at Hyperdimension Strip Laser Poker Chicken or whatever?

go back to redit

>>54077084
well you'll get to shoot it in melee instead of getting an extra attack

>>54076929
>Chaos can deep strike and cast it's movement spell, resulting in a charge. Odds are basically just the odds of beating a psychic test (better than the odds of rolling a 6 on cult ambush).
Good thing you don't need to roll a 6 to charge anymore, then? Compounded odds of rolling a 6 or rolling a 5 and charging on 3d6 or rolling a 4 and charging as normal is much different than rolling a 6. Also that psychic test can only be attempted for one unit per turn and can be denied. Cult Ambush cannot be denied and can be used by as many units as you can put in Reserve.

>Harlequins
See above.

>AM can move and charge out of valkyries with far better odds than the GSC.
After 1 in 6 models instantly dies, and they have to pay for the valkyrie which isn't cheap. Cult Ambush comes with the unit and doesn't kill your own guys.

>Sisters can put dominions in a repressor, move it 36 inches in the first turn, and charge it straight up someone's ass.
They can't use Act of Faith on vehicles, the Celestine loophole will be FAQ'd.

>Even the fucking Tau get a guaranteed charge turn 1: They can infiltrate with stealth suits, homing beacon in for a deep strike with no limits on how close you can be to the enemy. You can actually teleport units directly into melee combat, skipping overwatch, with the tau.
Which is worthless because they're fucking WS 5+ Tau, not an army of melee guys with rending claws. No one will ever use this gimmick.

You are comparing apples to oranges and then whining your Cult Ambush ability doesn't get the best aspects of all of these things while ignoring all the bad ones, and the fact that it comes stock on every non-vehicle unit in your entire army.

I've already seen games where GSC fucking demolish Guard with turn 1 purestrain charges. I've read multiple battle reports of tau tears complaining that they got BTFO by "guys in mining carts".

The army is fine, ambush is better than it used to be, you're fucking bad, get gud.

>>54076246
The only printers that have the resolution to print mini stuff at a decent quality are the resin-based ones, which are VERY expensive even for the cheapest models. The 'normal' 3D printers that you're probably thinking of just can't do fine enough detail.

Like...you could buy four FW gargantuan squiggoths for the price of the printer, easily.

>>54077040
>exploited third worlders and chinese

They're not white so who gives a shit?

>>54077073
They're separate units.

>>54077111
>AM
>After 1 in 6 models instantly dies
Only if you're a stupid fuck and try to drop guys after moving >20 inches. It's perfectly safe if you drop them within a certain distance.

>>54077112
really? I didnt think the ones I was looking into looked too bad quality wise....

>>54077111
>They can't use Act of Faith on vehicles, the Celestine loophole will be FAQ'd.

No, it won't. They officially ruled in favor of the Word of the Phoenix rule letting wraithknights soulburst in a twitch stream. It uses the exact same rules logic.

As for the rest of your bullshit, I don't see anything that isn't wrong.

>The army is fine, ambush is better than it used to be, you're fucking bad, get gud.

>can no longer be used to redeploy
>less reliable at generating charges
>better.

I notice you still haven't addressed the redeploy argument either.

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>>54077101
Ok, so with the pistol you get to shoot in melee, but only get your model's attack numbers?

And then with the chainsword you can't shoot but you get your attack number + 2, 1 for the chainsword's ability and 1 for a CC weapon?

This is the list I am trying to make, ignore point numbers for now I am just trying to make something cohesive.

One melee group, all of the LR units + the bikers, and one ranged group, the snipers and devastator group.

>>54077130
I double checked the rules and you are correct, but as it turns out, when you disembark after the valkyrie moves you have to set up more than 9" away from the enemy, so this >>54076929 dumbass is wrong, it's not more consistent in getting charges than any other deep strike method.

>>54077094
cause i'm sure that the phone that you use doesn't costs a tenth to make of what you payed for it either , fodd is usually priced quite reasonable and so are non brand clothes

>>54077173
You can move after disembarking.

>>54077156
>>less reliable at generating charges
I mathematically already destroyed you on this point. If you can't grasp that this conversation is over. The redeploying isn't even CA, it was a completely different special rule.